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I still don't know where BT pulled their daily profit numbers

Out of their ass.

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[BombaUcigasa]

I still don't know where BT pulled their daily profit numbers

Out of their ass.

Well, their ass was pretty well tuned to some market movements, so the question is not answered so easily...

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I still don't know where BT pulled their daily profit numbers

Out of their ass.

Well, their ass was pretty well tuned to some market movements, so the question is not answered so easily...

Not that it matters, or can be proved either way, but do you think they actually ever traded in anything?

There seem to be two basic ponzi models

1) Ones which are, from the get go, pure scams pretending to trade but solely designed to gain credibility and deposits until such a time as the admin take the money and run

2) Ones which start off as legit investments and 'go bad'. They have a core business which is real but unexceptional, which is then developed on by the owner for reasons of greed and hubris and becomes a ponzi. If you believe anything that Madoff says, for the first thirty years he was straight.

Hindsight is a great thing, but I followed BT quite carefully and came close to a dabble, luckily deciding not to.
The decider for me was I didn't believe that John Carley existed, there were too many inconsistencies in the story.
If he didn't/doesn't exist then I think BT must go in category 1.

[Grinder]

Well, their ass was pretty well tuned to some market movements, so the question is not answered so easily...

No, their numbers were hardly related to the market at all. Even if they were it wouldn't be hard take daily turnover or price changes into consideration when they made up their numbers. They did reduce the payout over time, but that was to make the scam last longer and not because market conditions changed.

[BombaUcigasa]

Well, their ass was pretty well tuned to some market movements, so the question is not answered so easily...

No, their numbers were hardly related to the market at all. Even if they were it wouldn't be hard take daily turnover or price changes into consideration when they made up their numbers. They did reduce the payout over time, but that was to make the scam last longer and not because market conditions changed.

I published some charts a few tens of pages back, sometimes their profits were proportional to market volatility, which has decreased this year steadily. Their result reporting changed indeed to prevent negative results at some point, and lower positive results.

[Ron~Popeil]

Unfortunately I agree that there will be no news to post. I was lucky enough to only lose about 80 USD to this scam. It is a very safe assumption that my funds and the funds of everyone else are long gone. My one hope is that these people are caught and prosecuted criminally.

[fingertoe11]

I still don't know where BT pulled their daily profit numbers

Out of their ass.

Well, their ass was pretty well tuned to some market movements, so the question is not answered so easily...

Not that it matters, or can be proved either way, but do you think they actually ever traded in anything?

There seem to be two basic ponzi models

1) Ones which are, from the get go, pure scams pretending to trade but solely designed to gain credibility and deposits until such a time as the admin take the money and run

2) Ones which start off as legit investments and 'go bad'. They have a core business which is real but unexceptional, which is then developed on by the owner for reasons of greed and hubris and becomes a ponzi. If you believe anything that Madoff says, for the first thirty years he was straight.

Hindsight is a great thing, but I followed BT quite carefully and came close to a dabble, luckily deciding not to.
The decider for me was I didn't believe that John Carley existed, there were too many inconsistencies in the story.
If he didn't/doesn't exist then I think BT must go in category 1.

Usually if you are trying to set up a legit investment you don't go and buy software that is marketed "Professional HYIP Manager" 

I don't think there is any reason to believe the traded at all.  When the placed closed, there was several days where if there where traders, they damn sure would have known why they weren't trading.. The fact that everyone was in a confused daze and had zero answers tell us that the whole thing stopped working tells us pretty much that everything is made up and the points don't matter..

[Ron~Popeil]

I still don't know where BT pulled their daily profit numbers

Out of their ass.

Well, their ass was pretty well tuned to some market movements, so the question is not answered so easily...

Not that it matters, or can be proved either way, but do you think they actually ever traded in anything?

There seem to be two basic ponzi models

1) Ones which are, from the get go, pure scams pretending to trade but solely designed to gain credibility and deposits until such a time as the admin take the money and run

2) Ones which start off as legit investments and 'go bad'. They have a core business which is real but unexceptional, which is then developed on by the owner for reasons of greed and hubris and becomes a ponzi. If you believe anything that Madoff says, for the first thirty years he was straight.

Hindsight is a great thing, but I followed BT quite carefully and came close to a dabble, luckily deciding not to.
The decider for me was I didn't believe that John Carley existed, there were too many inconsistencies in the story.
If he didn't/doesn't exist then I think BT must go in category 1.

Usually if you are trying to set up a legit investment you don't go and buy software that is marketed "Professional HYIP Manager"  

I don't think there is any reason to believe the traded at all.  When the placed closed, there was several days where if there where traders, they damn sure would have known why they weren't trading.. The fact that everyone was in a confused daze and had zero answers tell us that the whole thing stopped working tells us pretty much that everything is made up and the points don't matter..

I tend to agree this was a ponzi from the start. A well constructed one for sure, but still just a ponzi. I hope these guys are caught because they clearly have great skill at running scams.

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by tracing one of my 3BTC payment to bitcointrader. I think I found some of their BTC address ,final balance of today is below.

https://blockchain.info/address/3Bgk1oHeomvu6bo4q6RKA6xoA8X8B342Y7
Total Received    699.49132171 BTC    
Final Balance    699.49112171 BTC
6ce1d71c334f2988767ed01687ec0b0d853f610f59aa2e236c6b7eae1fe612eb 2014-10-06 05:13:11 there is no any transaction after Oct 6.2014.


https://blockchain.info/address/1B8LLzGQWrJubjoNNatmY8WedDtnnqPVbd
Total Received    24.90476 BTC    
Final Balance    24.90476 BTC
6ce1d71c334f2988767ed01687ec0b0d853f610f59aa2e236c6b7eae1fe612eb 2014-10-06 05:13:11


https://blockchain.info/address/13LhuDLbu45xRNUMfXr8T8rqWko4UV87Xy
this is another one.
No. Transactions    362    
Total Received    86,323.63460471 BTC    
Final Balance    0 BTC    last transaction date was 37b2be6954efef98aade2f914dea2c1542b8787eef0806dbb323fc1522fcccda 2014-10-08 02:39:48
check the blockchain history, most their transfer out BTC happened those days,

37b2be6954efef98aade2f914dea2c1542b8787eef0806dbb323fc1522fcccda 2014-10-08 02:39:48
13LhuDLbu45xRNUMfXr8T8rqWko4UV87Xy
      1CiKt9w4XkSY4eqXahtWKPiaSEc9FuH45y 1,163.216 BTC
3Q4YQ7f3f8tq7FVLCwfXaXifcgZWzKNALd 0.9839 BTC
41cdbf7e651c3fa2a94245e9e9e7a469336bea905a07979e889191dbfb4b5268 2014-10-08 01:34:24
13LhuDLbu45xRNUMfXr8T8rqWko4UV87Xy
      1KyFJAh8wVgcouL7FfTkMRn8QsaZ12gccS 759.9999 BTC
1MMHKZquoSPEAza7vakz25rc4PVeGHYW8q 40 BTC
eba5a5bff72615f409964bf2e2f0390309c6a2d058171cc6eaef31583cefe297 2014-10-08 01:34:22
13LhuDLbu45xRNUMfXr8T8rqWko4UV87Xy
      15mA6ko5bNEgVYG4wgemLHnMKeqWuzkaHT 12.19 BTC
141E1ZRiDhG77CRNPVKAZJeSCbjmNfHXy3 702.0099 BTC
e4b75017fa02aad2da5438383ac4042b3b305d4192ec2036bbdc722822ca8ae2 2014-10-07 18:54:32
13LhuDLbu45xRNUMfXr8T8rqWko4UV87Xy
      16aQqsq3a7SPPBHVM6bRdcCcz53NBLbkMo 21.7029 BTC
1GgxYbhyfnVtytcW4hRNMpcyhjjPsUBQTE 178.297 BTC

https://blockchain.info/address/1EKD2D7bRQykMXHRGaChMQUH36bEk8x3yU
still have transaction  goes here as today's date.
Total Received    41,125.10066003 BTC    
Final Balance    236.00011001 BTC
d93c7df9b2081f4983a45d7926b3743cbcc91b1141edcc7c49b99525b9cd3820 2014-10-31 02:10:47


https://blockchain.info/address/13p5iQkqBEVgKmPeJqEL2LBRS44PjX1dZL
No. Transactions    9740    
Total Received    638,787.85183483 BTC    
Final Balance    10,389.00000026 BTC    
as today's date,some money goes to this address.

If anyone can confirm what is the massive 13p5iQkqBEVgKmPeJqEL2LBRS44PjX1dZL address - I would be very interested to know, as some of my stolen coins can be found there as well

[pawlo74]

If anyone can confirm what is the massive 13p5iQkqBEVgKmPeJqEL2LBRS44PjX1dZL address - I would be very interested to know, as some of my stolen coins can be found there as well

That's very interesting, seems like that address is very active right now. Do they run new big scam ?

[Keyser Soze]

That's very interesting, seems like that address is very active right now. Do they run new big scam ?

I'd assume it would be some kind of mixer (or other service where mixing would be easy to do), nothing controlled by the people who ran BT.

[pawlo74]

That's very interesting, seems like that address is very active right now. Do they run new big scam ?

I'd assume it would be some kind of mixer (or other service where mixing would be easy to do), nothing controlled by the people who ran BT.

I see. Maybe you right.

[adept]

So nobody knows?

[Keyser Soze]

So nobody knows?

Nobody knows what? If you mean the identities of the perpetrators of the scam, then no it doesn't appear so.

[david123]

I can't believe that nothing happens. A paypal account of him is known. it would be a shame if there
was not at least some police officer / lawyer / whatever who checked back with paypal. Could be useless
as it's not too difficult to get an account with a fake identity, but we should at least give it a try.

My investment was insignificant, but I can't believe that someone who lost more than, say, 1k, doesn't 
bother to at least talk to the authorities.

[eneloop]

Police is working slow but steady + They won't give you any names to avoid self justice and for tactical reasons relating to their investigations.

[david123]

sure, but do you know of anyone who went to the police? I'd be happy to read a report
here like "guys, today I went to the police and they told me...", but nothing.

[eneloop]

No, but I havn't read all pages since it collapsed.

[Meanotor]

Prepare for your orange suit you fucking animal:

http://www.coindesk.com/florida-group-faces-fraud-charges-alleged-altcoin-pump-dump/

[Meanotor]

Hey fucktard, with the price of bitcoin now dropping, perhaps with $1000 you can pay back the bitcoin of a dozen customers.