JackTackett
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October 10, 2014, 06:53:18 AM |
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Another data point folks: still waiting on my cash out of an expired share I requested last Friday 10/03.
My support ticket has not even been acknowledged after 48 hours.
Jack
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mp420
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October 10, 2014, 08:08:58 AM |
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Did it collapse already?
If you lost your money, don't say you weren't warned.
There have been all kinds of "Is it a Ponzi?" checklists around but the number one evidence it's a Ponzi scheme is that if they have so high returns, why the fuck would they pay out so much? Even an average Joe can take some credit card debt or a second mortage on his house and pay at most low double digits in YoY interest. Why would anyone, EVER want to pay more than that, and even advertize it as an investment opportunity if they weren't a scammer?
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October 10, 2014, 08:43:00 AM |
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If you lost your money, don't say you weren't warned.
Im more and more convinced warning doesnt help. There are a probably two types of people who invest in this: - people who know this is a scam, but will invest anyway as they expect to be able to pull out their money before the collapse. In reality this rarely works and Id call those people co-conspirators as they keep the scam going for longer than it would otherwise, will usually try to lure other investors (referral links etc) and pretend its not a scam. Net effect is that they deliberately try to steal from other clueless investors - People who have been warned over and over, yet keep falling for it each and every time. In so far they dont belong to the above category, I can only assume they are really stupid enough to believe if you invest in enough scams opportunities, you will ultimately profit. Why would anyone, EVER want to pay more than that, ad even advertize it as an investment opportunity if they weren't a scammer? Because "bitcoin". |
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BombaUcigasa
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October 10, 2014, 09:03:48 AM |
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Im more and more convinced warning doesnt help. There are a probably two types of people who invest in this:
- people who know this is a scam, but will invest anyway as they expect to be able to pull out their money before the collapse. In reality this rarely works and Id call those people co-conspirators as they keep the scam going for longer than it would otherwise, will usually try to lure other investors (referral links etc) and pretend its not a scam. Net effect is that they deliberately try to steal from other clueless investors
- People who don't know about this site.
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October 10, 2014, 09:12:42 AM |
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Not much point warning people who do not know this site by posting warnings on this site or is there ?  |
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conspirosphere.tk
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October 10, 2014, 09:19:02 AM |
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There have been all kinds of "Is it a Ponzi?" checklists around but the number one evidence it's a Ponzi scheme is that if they have so high returns, why the fuck would they pay out so much? Even an average Joe can take some credit card debt or a second mortage on his house and pay at most low double digits in YoY interest. Why would anyone, EVER want to pay more than that, and even advertize it as an investment opportunity if they weren't a scammer?
Because getting in debt means having to assume the whole risk and having to pay back anyway sometime. On the contrary selling trading shares you unload the whole risk and costs on investors and just skim profits. It's all stated in their small print which nowhere guarantees anything about the return OF any investment. Add to it that it's only them who write and keep their book, and it means that it's just a very risky bet based on their word, which might theoretically make sense, but looking at the too consistent payouts, joke of customer relations, and very lame excuse for the recent block of withdrawals now more than ever seems like a scam. |
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tmfp
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October 10, 2014, 11:18:07 AM |
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From FB 'John Carley will be releasing a statement over the weekend.'  |
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pleiotropik
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October 10, 2014, 03:22:12 PM |
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I'm waiting for them to wax poetic on their troubles in a few hours... Also, the crew who mounted this biz come from India and Sri Lanka FYI. I have made good coin arbitraging against them -measured in BTC but also went into the green in USD- through the last 8 months. My bragging rights come from never having recommended the site or the scheme to anybody. All things, good and bad, come to an end. next up, Federal Reserve: if you know how to play your F/X and metals 2015 is going to be a doozy.
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maryan1991
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October 10, 2014, 04:08:53 PM |
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Has anyone tried a wire transfer yet. In the currency exchanger, that is the only one that works. Maybe we can still get some money out.
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fingertoe11
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October 10, 2014, 04:11:35 PM |
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I'm waiting for them to wax poetic on their troubles in a few hours... Also, the crew who mounted this biz come from India and Sri Lanka FYI. I have made good coin arbitraging against them -measured in BTC but also went into the green in USD- through the last 8 months. My bragging rights come from never having recommended the site or the scheme to anybody. All things, good and bad, come to an end. next up, Federal Reserve: if you know how to play your F/X and metals 2015 is going to be a doozy.
Are you indicating that you have actual evidence that they are engaged in some sort of arbitrage activity? That would be news to most of us. Or are you just saying you put your 20 dollars worth of Bitcoin in at 650 and they had to pay you back at 300? |
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fingertoe11
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October 10, 2014, 04:18:05 PM |
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Has anyone tried a wire transfer yet. In the currency exchanger, that is the only one that works. Maybe we can still get some money out.
Give it a shot. You have nothing to lose, except what is already probably lost.. Ripple and paysa and other things have been reported to be working by some, but then they stop.. The "Michael" account on facebook told me that they had run out of reserves on Ripple, and had to "re-balance" that was Tuesday or so.. |
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October 10, 2014, 04:19:06 PM |
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where are you now traderThom? oh right, you are probably on the next plane to go into hiding....
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fingertoe11
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October 10, 2014, 04:30:13 PM |
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where are you now traderThom? oh right, you are probably on the next plane to go into hiding....
Nah, I am afraid that traderThom is the red shirt star trek character.. He was hired as cannonfodder.. |
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tmfp
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October 10, 2014, 04:39:34 PM |
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Also, the crew who mounted this biz come from India and Sri Lanka FYI.
'John Carley' doesn't sound very Asian, could you provide a little more detail please. where are you now traderThom? oh right, you are probably on the next plane to go into hiding....
From where to where? Opperman is South African, as is at least one other BT person, but they have made a big deal about being 'decentralized', servers and admin in the US, registration in Panama, Carley in Spain, Brandenburg possibly in Germany and no offices anywhere. |
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Casimir1904
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October 10, 2014, 04:40:37 PM |
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They could tell that profit was negative also, so that payout amounts where gone with 2-3 days loss in a row....
I Invested in more things, like mining,p2p loans, and also on bitcoin-trader with a smaller amount compared to the other investments.
More like testing what will happen in the 120 days.
Could be they make really the profits they tell.
Could be ponzi sheme.
Could be scam at all.
When they will go now i have loss, anyway i can afford the loss, i know before its high risk.
I didn't refer others to it, because its to high risk and i don't want people loose money when i refer them...
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pleiotropik
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October 10, 2014, 05:51:09 PM |
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I'm waiting for them to wax poetic on their troubles in a few hours... Also, the crew who mounted this biz come from India and Sri Lanka FYI. I have made good coin arbitraging against them -measured in BTC but also went into the green in USD- through the last 8 months. My bragging rights come from never having recommended the site or the scheme to anybody. All things, good and bad, come to an end. next up, Federal Reserve: if you know how to play your F/X and metals 2015 is going to be a doozy.
Are you indicating that you have actual evidence that they are engaged in some sort of arbitrage activity? That would be news to most of us. Or are you just saying you put your 20 dollars worth of Bitcoin in at 650 and they had to pay you back at 300? is correct. Any further payouts would be a surprise. |
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xxxgoodgirls
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October 10, 2014, 05:53:26 PM |
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so is this a scam?
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October 10, 2014, 06:06:00 PM |
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'John Carley' doesn't sound very Asian, could you provide a little more detail please.
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fingertoe11
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October 10, 2014, 06:35:41 PM |
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so is this a scam?
Well. Nobody has been paid this week, and payments are supposed to happen daily, if that is any clue.. They claim it was due to a system failure, but also claim that was fixed yesterday. Nobody is giving any answers today, only promising an answer tomorrow... If you where to draw a Venn diagram around all of the typical characteristics of a HYIP and all the characteristics of BT, it is very hard to find any non-overlap.. That doesn't mean it is a scam.. It just means that if you look at it, it looks just like a scam. There is no reason at this point to think otherwise.. |
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lesnod11
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October 10, 2014, 06:42:11 PM |
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so is this a scam?
Well. Nobody has been paid this week, and payments are supposed to happen daily, if that is any clue.. They claim it was due to a system failure, but also claim that was fixed yesterday. Nobody is giving any answers today, only promising an answer tomorrow... If you where to draw a Venn diagram around all of the typical characteristics of a HYIP and all the characteristics of BT, it is very hard to find any non-overlap.. That doesn't mean it is a scam.. It just means that if you look at it, it looks just like a scam. There is no reason at this point to think otherwise.. No, I was paid yesterday..... today is the first day I have not been paid. Which is also the reason I didn't know there is an issue until today. |
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