[ANNOUNCE] New alternate cryptocurrency - Geist Geld

[CosicMiner]

This line keeps coming up in geistd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000066bd76b9e7c9

Something wrong here?

[Cosbycoin]

Got a new card, now I'm at ~400 mh/s

Still can't get any work in.  Cards will chug away, but even after 10m still at 0/0.  Using poclbm, win7x64, 2.1sdk

I still think I may be doing something wrong... but I can't tell.  So my best guess is 400 is still too low.

Did you do the NTP thing  above ? How many connections ? I've fired up a ghettobox with 250 mhashes some time ago (to test Cosbycoin's complaints of "orphan storm") and it gets an occasional block, though only one so far (GUIminer w poc on Wx64)

Well that would be my problem. The ntp setting wasn't in the config. Thanks.

Oky, sorry for missing it   on first go.

P.S.:
This also nicely confirms that we did, indeed, succeed at evicting timetravellers, lol

lol back to the future!

[ArtForz]

I *think* this might be some people running without enablefullretargetperiod=1, but I'm far from certain on that.

[Lolcust]

This line keeps coming up in geistd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000066bd76b9e7c9

Something wrong here?

Not necessarily. What is your current block per getinfo ?

Did you get my coins ?

[gmaxwell]

I've always felt that there's no reason to have a limit when adjusting downwards. If the current hashing rate is less than the required to adjust exactly by /4 then you'll need 2 long retargets to get back to normal speed, but if it can adjust freely then only 1 is needed. Namecoin is currently on this predicament. The next adjustment will be by /4 to 23,500 but the "instant" difficulty (average of the last 120 blocks) is 7,000 so after this very long adjustment cycle there will be yet another long cycle, if the current hash rate remains constant.

Er!!! the downward side clamp is essential for security.

E.g. say the difficulty is a zillion and I want to mine a fantasy fork in order to trick clients that I've isolated into accepting txn that will never be confirmed on the main network.  I wait until near the end of a cycle at current difficulty pushing the timetamps into the future, ... when the adjustment happens on my fork if there is no limit the new difficulty it ends up pretty low and I can then maintain that fork in realtime for as long as I like.

With the limit it would require me mining tens of thousands of blocks at high difficulty to produce a valid chain at a difficulty I could maintain.

[johnj]

So it's agreed if I'm getting 0/0 shares it's something wrong on my end.... I'm just not sure what it is.  At this point I wanna get it to work just so it doesn't beat me.


Grrr shoulda went to school for tech.

[ArtForz]

block count would easily shed some light on this:
60k+ = you're on the old GG chain without enablefullretargetperiod
~350 = you're on the old GG chain with enablefullretargetperiod
~240 = you're on the new GG chain without enablefullretargetperiod
~1650 = you're on the new GG chain with enablefullretargetperiod

last one is the "real" chain.

[CosicMiner]

This line keeps coming up in geistd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK, prev=0000000066bd76b9e7c9

Something wrong here?

Not necessarily. What is your current block per getinfo ?

Did you get my coins ?

Getinfo blocks 1635
I added the ntp=1 flag and now the orphans are gone. Everything back to normal.
I received the coins! 400 confirmations. Thank you very much!

[Sekioh]

On the 'real' chain as count states above, got 12 hashes (last at 3:16pmEST, 2 min ago) over the last 8hrs, and 0 balance, 0 account transactions. I'm assuming they're all orphaned and somethings still up.

[Lolcust]

Orphans should show up in listtransactions, IIRC.

are you sure you have ntp=1, Sekioh ?

[johnj]

I'm not sure how to get info like block# and connections other than looking at ggID.  So here's a screenshot.

I swear, I always overlook something so obvious.  Sorry for the n00b questions.

[heinz]

third tab over. control
type


getinfo

[Cosbycoin]

I have a suspicion that some coins were mined that weren't legitimate. I had my first block orphaned and it containe dover 7 million coins.

Now can someone create a simple block explorer so we can verify the first 1000 blocks to see that no monkey business was done?

Thanks  

[ArtForz]

Yeah, if your system clock is off more than 10 sec or so, you pretty much need ntp=1 (hrrrm... actually it should be gracefully falling back to median-of-peer-time in that case... wtf?)

[johnj]

third tab over. control
type


getinfo

Thank you.

Block 1676
Connections 13
Diff 132
hashespersec 0

[CosicMiner]

I just got this
ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future
ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED

[Lolcust]

I have a suspicion that some coins were mined that weren't legitimate. I had my first block orphaned and it containe dover 7 million coins.

Now can someone create a simple block explorer so we can verify the first 1000 blocks to see that no monkey business was done?

Thanks  

The seven millions are legitimate, and are the bounties and laundry fund that I think I mentioned in the first post.

The reasoning behind the sum is the following - geist has neither production drop-off nor upper limit on amount of gg in the chain (well, there sorta is, over a hundred billions, lol) which (combined with very fast blocks) means no expectation of deflation and thus a lower (compared to other alt-coins) price per unit (when exchanges open, that is)

Thus, I need much more than other coins in terms of bounties.

I also want to organize a "cryptocurrency laundry" that does not suffer from the usual crap of having too little coinage to ensure that you don't get fed your own coins.

After some guesstimations, I've reasoned that I need no less than four millions as buffer for laundry (never to be spent, but instead serve as "clean coin" supply for the laundry while "dirty" coins are accumulated in separate  wallet to eventually become the new buffer, while commission is diverted to yet another wallet) and about a pair of millions for bounties and stuff, so I can more easily persuade competent people to lend their helping hands to the effort. I added a bunch o'geists on top of that "just in case" so I can also open a "Geist Faucet" and keep it running for at least half a year (I am confident in my peer's ability to milk it dry)

Then, I proceeded to contemplate how should I organize pre-mining those, since forcing other people to download a crapton of blocks just because I want to start the cleanest e-money laundry of all times would be kinda mean.

I've figured a way of doing so in just one block without ruining the coin's operation via multicoin's inflation trigger thing, thus achieving pre-mining without encumbering the chain with a swarm of Laundry&Bounty Fund blocks
None of that was secret since post one, and BTW those coins are quite "canonical"

I just got this
ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future
ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED

TIMETRAVELLER EVICTED.
HUGE SUCCESS.

I am so putting this instead of usual error text in the next build.

[Cosbycoin]

I have a suspicion that some coins were mined that weren't legitimate. I had my first block orphaned and it containe dover 7 million coins.

Now can someone create a simple block explorer so we can verify the first 1000 blocks to see that no monkey business was done?

Thanks  

The seven millions are legitimate, and are the bounties and laundry fund that I think I mentioned in the first post.

The reasoning behind the sum is the following - geist has neither production drop-off nor upper limit on amount of gg in the chain (well, there sorta is, over a hundred billions, lol) which means no expectation of deflation and thus a lower (compared to other alt-coins) price per unit (when exchanged open)

Thus, I need much more than other coins in terms of bounties.

I also want to organize a "cryptocurrency laundry" that does not suffer from the usual crap of having too little coinage to ensure that you don't get fed your own coins.

After some guesstimations, I've reasoned that I need no less than four millions as buffer for laundry (never to be spent, but instead serve as "clean coin" supply for the laundry while "dirty" coins are accumulated in separate  wallet to eventually become the new buffer, while commission is diverted to yet another laundry) and about a pair of millions for bounties and stuff, so I can more easily persuade competent people to lend their helping hands to the effort.

Then, I proceeded to contemplate how should I organize pre-mining those, since forcing other people to download a crapton of blocks just because I want to start the cleanest e-money laundry of all times would be kinda mean.

I've figured a way of doing so in just one block without ruining the coin's operation via multicoin's inflation trigger thing, thus achieving pre-mining without encumbering the chain with a swarm of Laundry&Bounty Fund blocks
None of that was secret since post one, and BTW those coins are quite "canonical"

Tell me this. What's to stop you from dumping them on the exchange when one does come along?

This is starting to sound like the ixcoin story all over again...

7 million premined coins in a single block? How many blocks did u get?

[johnj]

Okay lolcust,

Do you see anything wrong here?



It's probably right there and I don't even see it.  Still can't get any work done.

Thanks again for your help.

[Lumpy]

block count would easily shed some light on this:
60k+ = you're on the old GG chain without enablefullretargetperiod
~350 = you're on the old GG chain with enablefullretargetperiod
~240 = you're on the new GG chain without enablefullretargetperiod
~1650 = you're on the new GG chain with enablefullretargetperiod

last one is the "real" chain.

Thanks for this! After finally getting on the right chain (was on the ~240 chain) and setting ntp=1 I'm starting to see some accepted shares.