[ANN]ASICMiner Publicly Looking for Potential Customers/Partners for New Chips

[raskul]

Keep in mind that those numbers where agreed on following the original chip specs.

However, currently delivered chips get a maximum of around 0,8W/GH in completed devices, so the actual order amount could be considerably lower, as the chips are way off-spec.

I don't think any chips were sold before AM had them in hand and tested.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622439.0

No AM gen3 complete device showed any number below 1.1 W/GHs

[necro_nemesis]

These numbers are derived likely running them near max capacity while unit costs are high. AM should have a long term price advantage to get more ASICs into systems when the economics for this requirement come into play. Unfortunately we haven't the full operating range data yet to see what opportunities exist in that regard.

[wpgdeez]

There's a sucker born every minute, your going to have to find them to buy this under performing tech.

[raskul]

Keep in mind that those numbers where agreed on following the original chip specs.

However, currently delivered chips get a maximum of around 0,8W/GH in completed devices, so the actual order amount could be considerably lower, as the chips are way off-spec.

I don't think any chips were sold before AM had them in hand and tested.

still waiting on dividends? 

[Luke-Jr]

datasheet - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_dmXzyMqtr7tVZukk2DAJih2sRq5jDy5DQPkwCce570/edit?usp=sharing

Some questions...

What is the behaviour if task address is changed while the chip is busy hashing?

What about when address 44 is changed?

How is nonce_mask to be interpreted?

Is there any safeguard against a race clearing r_ready after reading nonce(s)?
For example, the order of events:

• Host reads nonce from chip
• Chip finds new nonce
• Host clears r_ready

[novello]

There's a sucker born every minute, your going to have to find them to buy this under performing tech.

I think you may be underestimating the power of the locomotive that is driving this program. Based on what I know about the chip, even if it is a bit of a 'dog' in terms of power consumption, it's small enough to yield in the 90's of percent and will probably cost less than $2.00 to make, test and package in high volume. A 4TH system using 512 of them -running in near threshold mode - could probably be built at a cost of around $1700, including the PSU's. If 'someone' had access to about $15m in liquid capital, they could procure about 6000 of these machines - 3 million chips, or 50 wafer batches, rent a big warehouse in Washington state, pay a few million in setup costs and installation of a 50MVA substation then that could easily be 24PH on hand within 6 months from a standing start (which may have started 2 months ago); with cheap electricity at less than 4 cents/kWh, power consumption becomes a lot less important.

Let's say that difficulty in October is 30 x 10e9 and BTC at $450. This installation would earn about $4.5 million in it's first month, even if the rigs and their cooling gobble up power at 1.2 Joules/gigahash. The 'suckers' would break even in just over 6 months allowing for running costs, but then they might decide to buy some more capacity - they can afford to and there's plenty spare capacity in that substation (and on TSMC's 40nm lines). Once hashing capacity is built and installed and has paid back it's manufacturing, installation costs and interest it can keep on hashing until the power and running costs get too high, and that might take a year or two - think an ROI of over 500%.

Individual miners do not have these resources, even the ones who have 'free' power (whatever that is, it won't last for long once their landlords start realising why their energy bills are so high).

Summary: don't underestimate your competition.

[RoadStress]

There's a sucker born every minute, your going to have to find them to buy this under performing tech.

I think you may be underestimating the power of the locomotive that is driving this program. Based on what I know about the chip, even if it is a bit of a 'dog' in terms of power consumption, it's small enough to yield in the 90's of percent and will probably cost less than $2.00 to make, test and package in high volume. A 4TH system using 512 of them -running in near threshold mode - could probably be built at a cost of around $1700, including the PSU's. If 'someone' had access to about $15m in liquid capital, they could procure about 6000 of these machines - 3 million chips, or 50 wafer batches, rent a big warehouse in Washington state, pay a few million in setup costs and installation of a 50MVA substation then that could easily be 24PH on hand within 6 months from a standing start (which may have started 2 months ago); with cheap electricity at less than 4 cents/kWh, power consumption becomes a lot less important.

Let's say that difficulty in October is 30 x 10e9 and BTC at $450. This installation would earn about $4.5 million in it's first month, even if the rigs and their cooling gobble up power at 1.2 Joules/gigahash. The 'suckers' would break even in just over 6 months allowing for running costs, but then they might decide to buy some more capacity - they can afford to and there's plenty spare capacity in that substation (and on TSMC's 40nm lines). Once hashing capacity is built and installed and has paid back it's manufacturing, installation costs and interest it can keep on hashing until the power and running costs get too high, and that might take a year or two - think an ROI of over 500%.

Individual miners do not have these resources, even the ones who have 'free' power (whatever that is, it won't last for long once their landlords start realising why their energy bills are so high).

Summary: don't underestimate your competition.

Money don't grow on trees! Wake up!

[novello]

There's a sucker born every minute, your going to have to find them to buy this under performing tech.

I think you may be underestimating the power of the locomotive that is driving this program. Based on what I know about the chip, even if it is a bit of a 'dog' in terms of power consumption, it's small enough to yield in the 90's of percent and will probably cost less than $2.00 to make, test and package in high volume. A 4TH system using 512 of them -running in near threshold mode - could probably be built at a cost of around $1700, including the PSU's. If 'someone' had access to about $15m in liquid capital, they could procure about 6000 of these machines - 3 million chips, or 50 wafer batches, rent a big warehouse in Washington state, pay a few million in setup costs and installation of a 50MVA substation then that could easily be 24PH on hand within 6 months from a standing start (which may have started 2 months ago); with cheap electricity at less than 4 cents/kWh, power consumption becomes a lot less important.

Let's say that difficulty in October is 30 x 10e9 and BTC at $450. This installation would earn about $4.5 million in it's first month, even if the rigs and their cooling gobble up power at 1.2 Joules/gigahash. The 'suckers' would break even in just over 6 months allowing for running costs, but then they might decide to buy some more capacity - they can afford to and there's plenty spare capacity in that substation (and on TSMC's 40nm lines). Once hashing capacity is built and installed and has paid back it's manufacturing, installation costs and interest it can keep on hashing until the power and running costs get too high, and that might take a year or two - think an ROI of over 500%.

Individual miners do not have these resources, even the ones who have 'free' power (whatever that is, it won't last for long once their landlords start realising why their energy bills are so high).

Summary: don't underestimate your competition.

Money don't grow on trees! Wake up!

I think you're fooling yourself if you truly believe that. However, that''s your perogative.

[RoadStress]

There's a sucker born every minute, your going to have to find them to buy this under performing tech.

I think you may be underestimating the power of the locomotive that is driving this program. Based on what I know about the chip, even if it is a bit of a 'dog' in terms of power consumption, it's small enough to yield in the 90's of percent and will probably cost less than $2.00 to make, test and package in high volume. A 4TH system using 512 of them -running in near threshold mode - could probably be built at a cost of around $1700, including the PSU's. If 'someone' had access to about $15m in liquid capital, they could procure about 6000 of these machines - 3 million chips, or 50 wafer batches, rent a big warehouse in Washington state, pay a few million in setup costs and installation of a 50MVA substation then that could easily be 24PH on hand within 6 months from a standing start (which may have started 2 months ago); with cheap electricity at less than 4 cents/kWh, power consumption becomes a lot less important.

Let's say that difficulty in October is 30 x 10e9 and BTC at $450. This installation would earn about $4.5 million in it's first month, even if the rigs and their cooling gobble up power at 1.2 Joules/gigahash. The 'suckers' would break even in just over 6 months allowing for running costs, but then they might decide to buy some more capacity - they can afford to and there's plenty spare capacity in that substation (and on TSMC's 40nm lines). Once hashing capacity is built and installed and has paid back it's manufacturing, installation costs and interest it can keep on hashing until the power and running costs get too high, and that might take a year or two - think an ROI of over 500%.

Individual miners do not have these resources, even the ones who have 'free' power (whatever that is, it won't last for long once their landlords start realising why their energy bills are so high).

Summary: don't underestimate your competition.

Money don't grow on trees! Wake up!

I think you're fooling yourself if you truly believe that. However, that''s your perogative.

Someone with 15m$ in hand should be better designing their own chip than to buy the underperforming AM chip anyway.

[brontosaurus]

Why bother re-inventing the wheel, spending probably $3m to get someone to do it for you and missing probably 6-9 months of earnings? It's a no brainer, even with an inefficient solution. With the Bitcoin price rebounding  (for now) it looks more and more attractive.....

[dogie]

There's a sucker born every minute, your going to have to find them to buy this under performing tech.

will probably cost less than $2.00 to make

Less.

[friedcat]

datasheet - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_dmXzyMqtr7tVZukk2DAJih2sRq5jDy5DQPkwCce570/edit?usp=sharing

Some questions...

What is the behaviour if task address is changed while the chip is busy hashing?

What about when address 44 is changed?

How is nonce_mask to be interpreted?

Is there any safeguard against a race clearing r_ready after reading nonce(s)?
For example, the order of events:

• Host reads nonce from chip
• Chip finds new nonce
• Host clears r_ready

1) 2) When the chip is busy hashing the values in task addresses (including 44) cannot be changed.

3) Each 1 in the nonce_mask indicates a nonce for the current job. If the number of nonces exceeds 4, the first ones will be dropped.

4) There aren't safeguards.

For 1) and 2) we suggest a higher SPI clock for better efficiency. Using the difficulty setting larger than 1 could alleviate most hashrate losses caused by 3) and 4).

[marto74]

Any chance I get an answer to my mails and PM's about sample chips , datasheet , pricing etc.

[Luke-Jr]

datasheet - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_dmXzyMqtr7tVZukk2DAJih2sRq5jDy5DQPkwCce570/edit?usp=sharing

Some questions...

What is the behaviour if task address is changed while the chip is busy hashing?

What about when address 44 is changed?

How is nonce_mask to be interpreted?

Is there any safeguard against a race clearing r_ready after reading nonce(s)?
For example, the order of events:

• Host reads nonce from chip
• Chip finds new nonce
• Host clears r_ready

1) 2) When the chip is busy hashing the values in task addresses (including 44) cannot be changed.

3) Each 1 in the nonce_mask indicates a nonce for the current job. If the number of nonces exceeds 4, the first ones will be dropped.

4) There aren't safeguards.

For 1) and 2) we suggest a higher SPI clock for better efficiency. Using the difficulty setting larger than 1 could alleviate most hashrate losses caused by 3) and 4).

Hmm, is there any way to tell the chip to abort processing a work then?
Or we just need to wait it out?

[friedcat]

datasheet - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_dmXzyMqtr7tVZukk2DAJih2sRq5jDy5DQPkwCce570/edit?usp=sharing

Some questions...

What is the behaviour if task address is changed while the chip is busy hashing?

What about when address 44 is changed?

How is nonce_mask to be interpreted?

Is there any safeguard against a race clearing r_ready after reading nonce(s)?
For example, the order of events:

• Host reads nonce from chip
• Chip finds new nonce
• Host clears r_ready

1) 2) When the chip is busy hashing the values in task addresses (including 44) cannot be changed.

3) Each 1 in the nonce_mask indicates a nonce for the current job. If the number of nonces exceeds 4, the first ones will be dropped.

4) There aren't safeguards.

For 1) and 2) we suggest a higher SPI clock for better efficiency. Using the difficulty setting larger than 1 could alleviate most hashrate losses caused by 3) and 4).

Hmm, is there any way to tell the chip to abort processing a work then?
Or we just need to wait it out?

The soft reset can be triggered no matter if the chip is working or not. After that you need to reconfigure the PLL though, which will take about 0.2ms.

[thatguy42]

Will these chips ever be available to the public; in reasonable quantities ? 
I'm sure www.digikey.com/ or www.jameco.com and others, could sell a fair number.
Any resellers planned for this summer ?

[CanaryInTheMine]

Will these chips ever be available to the public; in reasonable quantities ? 
I'm sure www.digikey.com/ or www.jameco.com and others, could sell a fair number.
Any resellers planned for this summer ?

it is planned

[hdbuck]

Will these chips ever be available to the public; in reasonable quantities ?  
I'm sure www.digikey.com/ or www.jameco.com and others, could sell a fair number.
Any resellers planned for this summer ?

it is planned

canary, if thats not too indiscreet, from whom did you already ordered AMgen3 based products? Rockminer? will you also be reselling AM chips

[CanaryInTheMine]

Will these chips ever be available to the public; in reasonable quantities ?  
I'm sure www.digikey.com/ or www.jameco.com and others, could sell a fair number.
Any resellers planned for this summer ?

it is planned

canary, if thats not too indiscreet, from whom did you already ordered AMgen3 based products? Rockminer? will you also be reselling AM chips

rockminer.  chip sales channels are being developed. ofcourse, a large order can be placed with ASICMiner directly at any time.

[marto74]

I got tracking  so sample chips are on the way to me
Some info about chip sales chanel  in the range of 100 , 500, 1k,  and so would be useful