I wanted to share this discussion from another sub-forum. Here is a link to the first post of the discussion repeated below:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg5953406#msg5953406
P.S. I stand by my expectation of
a revisit to $400 and probably a bottom under $300. The chart resembles silver's fall. Why? Because pigs get slaughtered in permabull markets (of tinfoil hat white males) where everyone wants to buy always.
All the things I've been warning about have come true.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/28/bitcoin_china_pboc_ban/China’s central bank has ruled that all banks and payment service providers in the country must cease dealing in Bitcoin.
The ruling, effective from April 15th, basically shutters all Bitcoin trading sites in the Middle Kingdom and means cash purchases will soon be the only way to buy into the virtual currency.
The People’s Bank of China (PBoC) has not officially announced the ruling, although Chinese business site Caixin claims to have seen an internal document stating that any banks failing to comply would be punished.
Said document apparently lists 15 trading sites which are set to be closed.
Take that news together with the analysis that the
IRS has just placed an April 15 deadline margin call on all USA Bitcoin miners by ruling they must report and pay income taxes on newly mined coins, and doesn't it seem a little bit too coincidental that both try to force a massive selloff before April 15?
Then we have the main stream media bringing out other news about the threat of
Nemo dat quod non habet confiscation or regulation of Bitcoin as follows.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10728809/One-in-twenty-have-bought-illegal-drugs-with-Bitcoin.htmlOne in twenty have bought illegal drugs with Bitcoin
New research reveals that five per cent of those aware of Bitcoin have used it to buy drugs, while a third of Britons believe it to be the "currency of the future"
New research reveals that 18 per cent of those who know about the digital currency have used Bitcoin to buy goods or services online, and five per cent admit to having used it to buy illegal drugs.
So it appears that my demographic analysis has been correct (don't forget my upthread refutation of the erroneous BS "1 in 3 Kenyans use BTC"). In the seminal whitepaper Satoshi clearly targeted high tech goldbugs by saying Bitcoin is similar to gold but better than gold in some ways. And it is clear that Bitcoin is useless for the masses due to the list of problems I had provided (e.g. 10 min transactions, no refunds nor chargebacks nor consumer protection, too easy to be defrauded, etc), but the
white male demographic is fanatic about Bitcoin because they want to break free from being the slaves to the collective system they are now.
So the feature they need most is the one Bitcoin doesn't have, which is strong anonymity, but they are so fanatic that they can't even put their delusion on pause to think rationally about this. They are just too excited about "finally being not a slave any more" combined with the intoxicating "I can become rich while helping the world to be free".
The problem is that it won't work. Because Bitcoin doesn't have anonymity thus all the white males using it can be targeted by the tax authorities, financial regulation authorities (FinCEN), and law enforcement in general. And it won't be adopted by the masses unless it becomes an offchain system wherein those needs I enumerated can be fulfilled for the masses. But once it is offchain, then the supply will no longer be limited to the 21 million coins and instead be controlled by reserve requirements dictated by regulators, i.e. we will be back to fiat again.
The only things that will be accomplished are:
- White males against fiat will be identified and destroyed by the honey pot called Bitcoin.
- The regulation of the offchain result must be global cooperation, thus we move to a NWO world government.
The elite could never beat us if we were united with the correct design and technology. The way the elite beats us is by getting us to chase non-solutions and fight those who offer real solutions. That is why the beta-males here on this forum resist me, because they are by definition slaves and will always be. Even as much as I try to help them, they will resist because their minds are under control of the honey pot traps that the elite lay out for them.
Adoption of Bitcoin will continue because the white males are fanatic about it.
But remember this reasonably affluent white male demographic (which funded by global $223 trillion debt socialism has spare time for masturbation hobbies and cargo cult movements) will eventually become saturated (just in time for the confiscations after all the intended prey have entered the trap) thus $1 million per
BTC will not happen.
They will believe that they can profit off of this but they will be fully identified to the authorities and later come the confiscations.
This was the way to fool this otherwise astute group of men who resist the NWO.
These white men will become very boastful during this time (before the confiscations),
as BTC goes to $10,000+.
Due to their greed and their erroneous thinking that they are strong united (when in fact they are weak in the designed trap), they will boastfully ridicule and resist all alternative lifeboats rendered unto them.
They will be lead by false prophets who will repeat the same trapdoor slogans, "the adoption is increasing" (ignoring that they are isolated from the masses).
They will ignore the facts that one pool controls more than 50% of the mining. They will ignore the facts of how
regulation has destroyed any chance for Bitcoin to become a currency (except for those irrational white males who will force themselves to use it to try to justify their honey trap delusion).
The white men will bow to these false prophets to confirm they are good slaves.
Scenario analysis forward is there is a possibility that offchain services will increase mass adoption of Bitcoin. They might lobby the government for say an exclusion to capital gains for up to say $600 per year of gains due to transactions or say up to $100 per transaction. In return, they would offer the government regulators control over the offchain solvency. This could come in stages as Bitcoin transitions from an ideal of non-fiat, on chain currency to an offchain, fiat currency.
The early adopters will not gain from this (see quote below). The institutional players will. These white beta-males will be slaughtered once again by the collective system. The institutional players know how the game is played to manipulate the masses to the desired outcome so that control remains in the elite hierarchy.
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/27/obama-lagarde-destroying-the-world-economy-a-lethal-combination/Obama is of the same mindset and views anyone who even tries to hide money as a criminal. Sources have been warning all along that Obama would like to see the tax rate restored to where it was before Reagan – 70%. With the new technology to track money and with Lagarde, the two have been pushing to try to shut down every possible avenue to store wealth they cannot get their hands on.
Lagarde and Obama are actually pushing the rest of the G20 into destroying the world economy.
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/24/the-real-conspiracy-the-imf-tax-agenda/Obama is on board fully with the IMF agenda to raise taxes substantially French style. The IMF has been behind the scenes going to every former tax shelter and threatening them to turn over data. They have hit the Caribbean islands right down to Panama.
The point I am making is that when you are isolated from the masses and identified doing some financial transactions, you are the first ones Hitler goes after because the masses will not complain, especially given that you are doing drug trading!
Just see that image of Risto upthread that makes him look bad. Whether you are bad is irrelevant. You can be associated with the drugs by implication and the mass politics will says "yes going after those cheats and evil do-ers".
You see the elite can turn you into the bad guys in the eyes of the masses, you white male unconformists. Then the elite can say, "those Bitcoiners who are not evil will prove it by registering and holding balances in the regulated offchain services".
You see there is no chance in hell of winning against the elite for as long as they can identify who you are.
The only way the rebels ever win is by guerrilla warfare wherein they can't be targeted.
There is probably more that I could say to make this more convincing, but let me close by saying...
I am not a slave. Join with me if you want to win.I won't be holding your hand advising you when and what to do. You won't even hear from me. But I will silently be making sure the technology is correct.
I would love to see us take the internet back. I believe "we" will win, where the "we" are those who adopt the very high tech solutions.
I doubt any more talk will be effective. I am confident that soon others will be talking on my behalf. Those who want to win will hopefully hear. Good luck to everyone, including my detractors (peace).
Agreed we shouldn't drop itBitcoin. We must push on and continue to improve our technological options. And Bitcoin serves an important function even if there were other options, e.g. it drives market awareness and provides a liquid unit-of-exchange for investors in the ecosystem including altcoins. This is a dynamic system. I am arguing to be open to the dynamism in spite of the lack of serious altcoins to date. There isn't only one scenario (false prophets lead you to that wrong conclusion). And it doesn't mean no one will retain some gains from the mess. As they say, "don't put all your eggs in one basket".
To win, we need the antithesis of top-down thinking, e.g. stop this monotonic thinking that we need one unit-of-exchange to get global economies-of-scale. The goal should be more akin to the bimetallic standard, a bifurcation (or perhaps multifurcation) is much more dynamic and dynamism is our strong hand against top-down control (read at my signature why top-down control can't anneal). Whether it happened by chance or was planned, Litecoin is a weak silver to Bitcoin's gold, i.e. it doesn't offer the common man some compelling strengths.
Peace.
- If the depopulationists ("TPTB") have enough power to finish off the intelligentsia, they don't need bitcoin to do it. Every totalitarian regime has found a way to quickly sanitize the population, fully without bitcoins, facebooks or anything. Just set quotas for the local psycho-sociopathic sheriff and go.
This wakes up the masses. They operate by more subtle means of deception, e.g. Bitcoin. The trick is to have people enslave themselves without knowing it. This is how the elite avoid losing their heads and retain control. Chaotic uprisings are very risky for them. They prefer nationalistic pride wars, where the foolish masses believe they are fighting for something justified (e.g. see the posters from WW2 in the USA, "let's go finish off them japs" and of course it was a false-flag honey pot trap called Pearl Harbor that caused the Americans to think this way).
The foolish white males think they are fighting for something justified with Bitcoin, while they've been deceived and are doing the elite's desired outcome.
The new memes include fighting for feminism, fighting for the environment, etc.. You see how offended this makes you feel when I say this? Because you are a slave who stopped applying the scientific method (for if you did you would understand certain natural facts) and replaced it with top-down controlled emotional propaganda.
- If they do not have the power for draconian activities, then targeting bitcoin owners does not give them much, but is a very great thing for the freedom people who get to tighten their ranks and perhaps wake up more and more people down the road.
No matter how I think about it, it looks like that the depopulationists have lost. I will have to write more about it for you to understand it,
No need to write more. You don't understand.
The problem with people like you are that almost all your theories assume one blatant falsehood - that there are super intelligent, cunning, strategic, and complex humans that pull the strings on society in some elaborate and complex ways.
And lucky for them most people are easily deceived like you, despite historic records showing that Pearl Harbor was a false-flag planned to get USA isolationists into supporting the war.
Despite the
overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was a false-flag to launch all this tracking of everyone's wealth for the big $223 trillion debt implosion coming.
Despite the copious evidence that Anthony Sutton provided (see video below to educate yourself):
Regarding the illuminati fears... superstitious is the end of reason.
Those who confuse superstition with exquisitely researched facts have lost rationality.
Carry on slave, there is nothing I can do to help someone like you.
There are, instead, simply systems that have been created over the years as humans have fought for more "security" (another basic need) that now enable certain classes to have advantages over others. This is kind of a economic darwinian evolution of sorts. But the players who take advantage of these systems today act much more out of tactics than strategy.
And you give them WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT.
This is 100% correct.
Are there false flag events,behind doors conspiracies and all kind of other evil doings like Anonymint suggests ? Sure there are.
Are there people in the "elites" that think they are smart enough and strong enough to do some of these things? Sure.
But a worldwide global conspiracy run buy a small group of people capable of long term thinking and execution of a plan ( 100 years ?). No.
It doesn't matter the result is the same regardless. The top-down system is how I described and the people are slaves and commit to things that enslave them more.
The propaganda is actually in control. The purveyors of it adjust as needed over 100s of years to keep the masses confused. The purveyors compete with each other and get replaced by those who can deceive better in each new epoch.
Think about it like this. The purveyors of the propaganda don't have to be omniscient about the future, they can change the propaganda at will.
Example is their global warming temperature predictions utterly failed, so now they are changing the propaganda to "man-made climate change" and trying to blame global cooling on it.
The conspiracy is not a grand one of being able to predict the future, rather it is the power vacuum of top-down control and the ability of propaganda to defeat propaganda.
Truth is never going to win for the collective.
Truth and knowledge are an individualized phenomenon. Refer to the "Information Is Alive!" blog entry you can find from the link on my signature.
There isn't one truth, rather everyone's truth is customized to their situation.
Thus collective anything will always be a destruction of individual fitness.
This is why anonymity is so crucial. We used to have it with cash and postal mail, now we are losing it.
But a worldwide global conspiracy run buy a small group of people capable of long term thinking and execution of a plan ( 100 years ?). No.
If one did not exist by design, it would arise by an evolutionary process. It is an ecological niche in ideological space, and a rich one. It will necessarily be filled.
Also, you overstate the case to create a strawman. No actors need more than a short planning horizon in order for a community to persist.
Clearly there are open conspiracies of vast scope which have been enormously successful for millennia., Why should there not be some which are clandestine, perforce, since their culture, their deeds, are so offensive to the mainstream that they would be destroyed but for stealth?
Clearly there are also many spurious, fantastical, or perhaps supernatural, conspiracies for which no material evidence will ever be provided, and thus which do not positivistically exist. But the historical evidence of many conspiratorial communities is abundant, and among them some are persistent. The degree of coordination among them is probably not great.
Supporters of a depopulationist agenda will act according to that agenda, whether by plan or by coincidence. No conspiratorial hypthesis is required in order to oppose them in that agenda.
aminorex, compliments to your superior communication skills. Okay back to TA now. I am done. Thanks for the discussion all.
The reason he hates sin so much is sin really is anything that causes harm to others.
What do you do when you can't do anything without harming someone. It is impossible to never harm someone due to the
Butterfly effect. You are basically asking for gridlock and communism.
I call BS on that. Although your intentions are good, the recurrent outcome of your stated ideology is horrific genocide which is the antithesis of your intention. As far as I can see, the Bible doesn't talk about not harming (although harming shouldn't be and helping should be an individualized goal but not a global requirement, e.g. I can help someone individually whose situation I know), rather it pushes the value of individualism and focusing on what you can do rather than judging others (c.f. Matthew 7). The point of the 10 Commandments is that individualism is destroyed by disrespecting property rights. Then you need a government (idol) to enforce (collective) theft.
When the Bible says there is only one King and only one law, what it means is a one-on-one relationship between you and your creator (c.f. Matthew 6:5). For scientists and atheists, let's look at this from the perspective of knowledge spawns accretively from individual fitness to individual situations. I got more in depth on this when I was working out the type theory of computer languages (yeah I know you wonder what in the heck would type theory have to do it). Here is the link:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21msg/scala-debate/vysv97J0xok/ikiNtik33QsJ
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