[ANN] Blacknet BLN | Staking | Future of zApp & ZeFi

[RouletteRun]

O.K. everybody, Happy Birthday courtesy of the real rat4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469640.msg5330746#msg5330746

[RouletteRun]

Based on this screenshot I took a few minutes ago of DrDolittle's activity here on BTCTalk it appears he's located in the time zone with the British Isles and certainly not in Russia where rat4 was located. The top time is my local time and the bottom time was DoLittle's local time, notice the 5 hr. difference. I'm located in the U.S. Eastern time zone, five hours forward certainly doesn't put DoLittle in Russia. I suppose it's possible he could be using a VPN... maybe.

Dolittle, rat4, whoever you are, it's pretty sad what you did to rat4's original ANN posting, that was a part of Blackcoin history and as I think about it, I don't think the real rat4 would ever change the name of Blackcoin, even if he was planning to do a hard fork, he had done more than one in the past and never did.

You can't simply take over Blackcoin by taking over a BTCTalk ANN. Some of us are beginning to hope you put up a good fight because it will be a good test for PoS and its security.

DoLittle, you know it would be so easy to prove yourself by using the wallet with your original donation address in it, but maybe you can't because you're not DoLittle, you're just little.

[STT]

I think the game being played here is to try and drop the price and then reveal it was fake news.   Then you get the higher price and sell the coins you picked up cheap.   Maybe they think this is a small enough market cap to manipulate easily.   Does the person doing this have any skill, probably not no.  Its far more common to use cheap tricks, phishing techniques and so on to get some quick profit.
    Look at failures in crypto overall, the actual protocol itself is not where loses occur its the other links in the chain and thats what happened here.

[goah]

so. still no clear respond. too many assumptions as a result. making the drama quite good. but. we do not know exactly what happened until it happens. much ado about nothing. let's stake n see. 

[Jonesd]

Grabbing popcorn to follow what's unfolding here

[DrDolittle]

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24 feb 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvtUrjfnSnA

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[fiftyseven]

Code:

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24 feb 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvtUrjfnSnA

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This checks out.

[RouletteRun]

Code:

B8gZqgY4r2RoEdqYk3QsAqFckyf9pRHN6i

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24 feb 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvtUrjfnSnA

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O.K. DrDolittle, you've proven yourself but why have you felt the need to sow the seeds of doubt in the community? Some of us have been here since the beginning and have always been willing to support you and your work but then you seemingly abandoned the project and expect it to be self-sustaining on autopilot for over a year. Then when people take it upon themselves to attempt to do something constructive to advance Blackcoin and keep it relevant you call them/us traitors. It's not about being traitorous, it has been about trying to keep Blackcoin alive in your absence. You don't have to be a one-man show, in fact, having you as a single point of failure as the only dev is problematic. If you want to lead, then lead, if not, go be a Satoshi and let those that are willing take over as in Bitcoin. I'm going to repeat myself, it's not about anybody being traitorous, the community came to believe we already had a Satoshi on our hands.

[Gritt-N-Auld]

Code:

B8gZqgY4r2RoEdqYk3QsAqFckyf9pRHN6i

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24 feb 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvtUrjfnSnA

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O.K. DrDolittle, you've proven yourself but why have you felt the need to sow the seeds of doubt in the community? Some of us have been here since the beginning and have always been willing to support you and your work but then you seemingly abandoned the project and expect it to be self-sustaining on autopilot for over a year. Then when people take it upon themselves to attempt to do something constructive to advance Blackcoin and keep it relevant you call them/us traitors. It's not about being traitorous, it has been about trying to keep Blackcoin alive in your absence. You don't have to be a one-man show, in fact, having you as a single point of failure as the only dev is problematic. If you want to lead, then lead, if not, go be a Satoshi and let those that are willing take over as in Bitcoin. I'm going to repeat myself, it's not about anybody being traitorous, the community came to believe we already had a Satoshi on our hands.

And we've been nothing but honest and forthcoming to the community with the communication problems and decisions we had to make. Every decision Janko had made with development was with rat4 in mind. Further, he communicated everything he wanted to work on to rat4 via e-mail before he had done it.

[janko33]

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24 feb 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvtUrjfnSnA

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IEQG/EVu9xvNcuyWlYe6p4r7hUTR0L6FV34DJu+c8NU/CAb2nns8W6c7ZW0zm5+YZIQUsdSXvMcNcEuxfQ3OsQM=

Thank you!

Now can we have a normal dev. talk like in Good Ol' days?
am missing it very much, community want's us to work together,
I can give it a try and read some code of yours, like before.
You know how you can contact me, let's cooperate.

Stop this circus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0lr63y4Mw

[Gritt-N-Auld]

Let's leave this to Blacknet, and let's move the forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3017838.msg31038309#msg31038309

[fiftyseven]

Let's leave this to Blacknet, and let's move the forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3017838.msg31038309#msg31038309

How about explaining to the forum where this has come from and linking to the cool stuff? The OP there looks more half assed than rat4's in a way given how much we have to show off.

[STT]

Good we get solid confirmation, can we not have competition within the protocol and still proceed forward.   The wider world has far larger problems we must still overcome.  I can see chaos occurring with world reserve currency at some point, these calm waters now wont always be here and BLK must be ready to survive harder times right?
   We have more then one wallet to choose from and neither of them obstruct the others so I dont see a negative to that exactly.    Isnt there always going to be the idea of choosing direction with POS and we go with the best solution.  Capitalism is competitive and open at its heart and hopefully we all benefit from staying true to that.

let's cooperate.

This is better then a one man band right, having more then one Dev to Blackcoin's credit it seems more positive and constructive long term that way right.    My ironic take from this is activity means Rat4 is more active now, it is a positive development

[Gritt-N-Auld]

Let's leave this to Blacknet, and let's move the forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3017838.msg31038309#msg31038309

How about explaining to the forum where this has come from and linking to the cool stuff? The OP there looks more half assed than rat4's in a way given how much we have to show off.

Ouch. Was requested to get it sorted by Janko and up asap with everything else. Doesn't have to be pretty at first. Isn't exactly Blackcoin's first hello.

EDIT: Fixed up now

[hacksmash]

Good we get solid confirmation, can we not have competition within the protocol and still proceed forward.   The wider world has far larger problems we must still overcome.  I can see chaos occurring with world reserve currency at some point, these calm waters now wont always be here and BLK must be ready to survive harder times right?
   We have more then one wallet to choose from and neither of them obstruct the others so I dont see a negative to that exactly.    Isnt there always going to be the idea of choosing direction with POS and we go with the best solution.  Capitalism is competitive and open at its heart and hopefully we all benefit from staying true to that.

let's cooperate.

This is better then a one man band right, having more then one Dev to Blackcoin's credit it seems more positive and constructive long term that way right.    My ironic take from this is activity means Rat4 is more active now, it is a positive development

Competition within the protocol is a positive thing, I think communication within the Dev Group & with the broader community is also important. Although we may feel a schism approaching at the moment, we should come at it with a "Wait & See" attitude. Good will come from multi-pronged approaches to the future of BLK, and the community will vote with our wallets. I would encourage ALL the Devs to communicate (amongst themselves & the community) and work towards the good of the coin.

Do not lose sight of the big picture.

[janko33]

Good we get solid confirmation, can we not have competition within the protocol and still proceed forward.   The wider world has far larger problems we must still overcome.  I can see chaos occurring with world reserve currency at some point, these calm waters now wont always be here and BLK must be ready to survive harder times right?
   We have more then one wallet to choose from and neither of them obstruct the others so I dont see a negative to that exactly.    Isnt there always going to be the idea of choosing direction with POS and we go with the best solution.  Capitalism is competitive and open at its heart and hopefully we all benefit from staying true to that.

let's cooperate.

This is better then a one man band right, having more then one Dev to Blackcoin's credit it seems more positive and constructive long term that way right.    My ironic take from this is activity means Rat4 is more active now, it is a positive development

Competition within the protocol is a positive thing, I think communication within the Dev Group & with the broader community is also important. Although we may feel a schism approaching at the moment, we should come at it with a "Wait & See" attitude. Good will come from multi-pronged approaches to the future of BLK, and the community will vote with our wallets. I would encourage ALL the Devs to communicate (amongst themselves & the community) and work towards the good of the coin.

Do not lose sight of the big picture.

Sorry to disappoint you but one man band it is,
dev's who volunteered to help with Lore want to continue.
More communication, more support,
don't want to loose more dev's, as it happened many times in past
I don;t blame them I was warned, (dev's from blackpool to name few)

Get on gitter, more dev's came already today too..

Have some stash which will be rewarded to all dev's who participate
goal is to create tools to let community govern itself, no kings.
Everyone is welcome, history teaches all kings were beheaded.
Crowd sourcing, voting on stakes, better ways to create your own money.

Good we get solid confirmation, can we not have competition within the protocol and still proceed forward.   The wider world has far larger problems we must still overcome.  I can see chaos occurring with world reserve currency at some point, these calm waters now wont always be here and BLK must be ready to survive harder times right?
   We have more then one wallet to choose from and neither of them obstruct the others so I dont see a negative to that exactly.    Isnt there always going to be the idea of choosing direction with POS and we go with the best solution.  Capitalism is competitive and open at its heart and hopefully we all benefit from staying true to that.

let's cooperate.

This is better then a one man band right, having more then one Dev to Blackcoin's credit it seems more positive and constructive long term that way right.    My ironic take from this is activity means Rat4 is more active now, it is a positive development

Competition within the protocol is a positive thing, I think communication within the Dev Group & with the broader community is also important. Although we may feel a schism approaching at the moment, we should come at it with a "Wait & See" attitude. Good will come from multi-pronged approaches to the future of BLK, and the community will vote with our wallets. I would encourage ALL the Devs to communicate (amongst themselves & the community) and work towards the good of the coin.

Do not lose sight of the big picture.

can't, I tried and am still ignored, don't want to waste more time in this theater.
it happened many times in past

wish you luck with your blacknet rat4,
Blackcoin development with help of community will continue here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3017838.msg31038309#msg31038309

[tiCeR]

I am holding some Blackcoin. Should I be worried now in any way and I have no clue who this DrDolittle guy is. Anything important going on that I should know?

[BlackCoinTeam]

I am holding some Blackcoin. Should I be worried now in any way and I have no clue who this DrDolittle guy is. Anything important going on that I should know?

The DrDolittle guy is (unless someone else managed to obtain not only the 2 accounts on here but also the original BLK address) rat4, the original developer of BlackCoin.
While he used to communicate with the community and other developers in the past, he suddenly ceased to do so.
Other devs, most notably janko33, started to build a new wallet, integrated colored coins, atomic swaps and so on on top of the original BLK protocol - w/o rat4/DrDolittle - as they had to assume that he abandoned the project (read the posts of the last days to get a feeling for it).
Totally out of the blue rat4/DrDolittle announced that BLK will no longer be BLK and is going to be forked into "BlackNet", obviously assuming that everyone, including exchanges and the community, will follow.

Current situation is:

1. BLK will continue according to the plans and works of janko33 and his group, with BLK being updated to include the improvements from the latest bitcoin core base. That version of BLK will (also) require a fork but stick to the current BLK PoS protocol that is proven by BLK itself and a couple of thousand forks. We do believe, that that version will stay listed on the exchanges.

2. rat4/DrDolittle will at some point "take a BLK snapshot" and fork into his "new Blacknet", though nobody but him (and maybe his secret circle) knows what that is going to mean, what technology it is going to use, if and how it is going to be tested in public etc. You can at this point only obtain Blacknet coins/token/whatever by holding BLK at the moment of the not yet announced snapshot.

Hope that helps,
@janko/gritt feel free to correct me if I am wrong with anything, due to family stuff I could not follow our gitter and other sources closely.

this post is also copied into the new BLK thread.

[Gritt-N-Auld]

Good we get solid confirmation, can we not have competition within the protocol and still proceed forward.   The wider world has far larger problems we must still overcome.  I can see chaos occurring with world reserve currency at some point, these calm waters now wont always be here and BLK must be ready to survive harder times right?
   We have more then one wallet to choose from and neither of them obstruct the others so I dont see a negative to that exactly.    Isnt there always going to be the idea of choosing direction with POS and we go with the best solution.  Capitalism is competitive and open at its heart and hopefully we all benefit from staying true to that.

let's cooperate.

This is better then a one man band right, having more then one Dev to Blackcoin's credit it seems more positive and constructive long term that way right.    My ironic take from this is activity means Rat4 is more active now, it is a positive development

Competition within the protocol is a positive thing, I think communication within the Dev Group & with the broader community is also important. Although we may feel a schism approaching at the moment, we should come at it with a "Wait & See" attitude. Good will come from multi-pronged approaches to the future of BLK, and the community will vote with our wallets. I would encourage ALL the Devs to communicate (amongst themselves & the community) and work towards the good of the coin.

Do not lose sight of the big picture.

We basically did "wait and see" for over a year silently without causing a commotion amongst the community. We assumed it would've been resolved and rat4 would've been with us or stepped down from the project.

[hacksmash]

Good we get solid confirmation, can we not have competition within the protocol and still proceed forward.   The wider world has far larger problems we must still overcome.  I can see chaos occurring with world reserve currency at some point, these calm waters now wont always be here and BLK must be ready to survive harder times right?
   We have more then one wallet to choose from and neither of them obstruct the others so I dont see a negative to that exactly.    Isnt there always going to be the idea of choosing direction with POS and we go with the best solution.  Capitalism is competitive and open at its heart and hopefully we all benefit from staying true to that.

let's cooperate.

This is better then a one man band right, having more then one Dev to Blackcoin's credit it seems more positive and constructive long term that way right.    My ironic take from this is activity means Rat4 is more active now, it is a positive development

Competition within the protocol is a positive thing, I think communication within the Dev Group & with the broader community is also important. Although we may feel a schism approaching at the moment, we should come at it with a "Wait & See" attitude. Good will come from multi-pronged approaches to the future of BLK, and the community will vote with our wallets. I would encourage ALL the Devs to communicate (amongst themselves & the community) and work towards the good of the coin.

Do not lose sight of the big picture.

We basically did "wait and see" for over a year silently without causing a commotion amongst the community. We assumed it would've been resolved and rat4 would've been with us or stepped down from the project.

Forgive me, I should have explained that what I mean by "Wait & See" is to see what rat4 brings to the table with 'Blacknet' and if it actually does happen.