Is Mark Karpeles Jewish? [serious]

[renfr]

This guy's a lost cause, of course he isnt payed to spill his anger, he buys it all

Yep, I think you're right, he's not the clever type of hasbarat. He seems to uncritically believe everything he is told by the leaders of "his people". Too bad for him. The hate he carries is the hate that will destroy him, not the imagined hate his traumatized amygdala perceives everywhere.

The difference between Jews and other groups of victims is this: If gypsies, homosexuals, or Serbians were shown evidence that less of them died than they believe, they'd welcome the news. Only for traumatized Jews is it horrible news to hear of someone presenting evidence that less than 6 million Jews died during the Second World War.

For those who blindly believe in the sacred number, you need only watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

Tell that to Armenians, they must be really happy that Turks tell them that the Armenian genocide didn't exist.

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[hdbuck]

hdbuck you don't seem to understand a few basic things :  me dumb evil

- Fighting doesn't necessarily imply physical violence, it means fighting in the sense "to counter", as simple as that violence is violence, whether physical or mental. its just harming people - the thing you dont understand is that by turning the other cheek, you actually break that vicious cycle that otherwise never ends

- Nope, that's catholic BS and that's why catholicism is dying as a religionwhy so much hate toward a religion that just humbly advocate peace?, because catholicism is bowing down to the evils of this world with this stupid motto that is "if your cheek is slapped then present them the other cheek (so that they can slap it even stronger)", this is carebearish idiocy and everyone now in this world that this doesn't work. If you're attacked then you counterattack, as simple as that, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot. seriously? what a nice religion you have (or actually an interpretation cuz thats just not how real jews behave). Me who though religion was supposed to help to find peace and reach spiritual happiness, so dumb

- To me zionism is simple patriotism, I'm a French patriot so logically I support zionism which is just a specific kind of patriotism which merely means "one land, one people". lmao, well, should there only be french people in france too? why dont you go back to isreal if you are so afraid of another holocaust? BTW according to real isreali people you are considered as cowards for not staying in Israel and hide in your precious little houses around the world. yup true story.

- Antifascists? Seriously you don't know what you're talking about, antifascists are as antisemites as neo-nazis overall in France, antifascists who support the socialist filth governement and make rampages in several cities. Antifascists are just as braindead as neonazis, the only difference is that the governement supports them so they're the good guys (Clément Méric for example) while the neonazis are the bad guys (Esteban Morillo), in fact they're just all in the same. They support islamic terror against what they call the "evil apartheid zionist regime of Israel". oh so now you are telling me that the people who allegedly gathered to fight supra nationalists neonazis are in fact antisemites too? what's their purpose then? why calling them antifachist if they are even more radical than the one they are supposingly fighting against?? Why wouldnt they just gather as one whole group if they think the same? hell, why not joining Alqaeda if they're all against the jews? ^^

- JDL is not a terrorist group, JDL is Jewish self-defense group, the guy who was terrorist is Victor Vancier but he's not a terrorist anymore and he's the leader of the JTF. duhhh

it was classified as "a right-wing terrorist group" by the FBI in 2001. According to the FBI, the JDL has been involved in plotting and executing acts of terrorism within the United States.

In the USA JDL is not even active anymore, the only thing they had was Camp Meir (kahane chai) a while ago : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLk32l_4VU re-duuhh - of course they arent active anymore in the US since they were banned for being terrorists:

In a 1986 study of domestic terrorism, the Department of Energy concluded: "For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States. [...] Since 1968, JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22. Thirty-nine percent of the targets were connected with the Soviet Union; 9 percent were Palestinian; 8 percent were Lebanese; 6 percent, Egyptian; 4 percent, French, Iranian, and Iraqi; 1 percent, Polish and German; and 23 percent were not connected with any states. Sixty-two percent of all JDL actions are directed against property; 30 percent against businesses; 4 percent against academics and academic institutions; and 2 percent against religious targets."

This is just self-defense like there are thousands of thousands of self defense centre all around the world teaching about fighting techniques, stop being paranoid okay...
Hopefully the section in France is still active with many self defense trainings and if you hate them then I suggest you to go to Rue des rosiers, quartier du marais in Paris and pass by for a little visit, they'll be glad to meet you.

hum check their logo dude, its has nothing to do with defense, all about attacking and throwing molov cocktails...

oh and care to explain me that ban from Israel too plz? ^^

yup, its pretty damn the far west in France ^^

Yeah and it's because of zionists? Riiiiiiiight. The reason why our country is fucked up has nothing to do with Jews or zionists, yeah some of our corrupted politicians are Jews, some are zionists but others are not and yet they're as corrupted as the others. And I completely despise Manuel Valls for what he did recently against Dieudonné. So now you dont like what happened to this Dieudonne guy? you were so proud in your sassy little threat in pm to say: "look how WE crushed him" ^^ oh and what did you mean by we? i thought it was the government that sanctionned him? why "we"? you part of government? ah i knew it! our republic is infiltrated by filthy zionists!

You know though I fight (not physically okay?) against the ideas of Dieudonné and his friends, I defend freedom of speech above all and I'm totally against any kind of censorship.
what freedom of speech? you come here yelling antisemites to our faces, bringing on that same speech about 6 millions deaths (whilst NOBODY actually said anything about that), employing extremely violent words such as "hunt down" "prosecute" "insane", sending me your threats via PM like the little coward you are, etc.. etc...

TL;DR, this topic is totally aberrant, the fact that MK is Jewish or not is totally irrelevant. Believe me, many Jews were also victim of his plan to run away with the coins, this has nothing to do with religion. hum the name of the topic doesnt imply such thing, just talking about if he is jewish or not. Why cant we discuss it especially when you have a documented proof that it was maybe a little bit more twisted than just being jewish. i believe it helps understand how desperate he actually was. just like you. But i dont hate him for that. i just wish you guys would open your eyes and heart.

He's just a mere computer geek who is just Jewish by the origins and atheist in the mind, he probably doesn't even care about his religion, he tried to connect back to Judaism when he went to Ashdod and it ended in being a complete failure. just go read his damned writings and see for yourself

Seriously i dont mean to be rude, but i'm tired of that constant hate you guys keeps on blindly bringing on. Thankfully not all jews thinks the same way you and MK do.
Although I really hope you could change your mind *again

PS: and i intentionally used the same vocabulary you do (ie. evil, insane, etc etc) to show you how it actually feels when being treated that way.

PPS: cant fight it boy, come join the awesome brotherhood of Mankind

[btcusury]

You know though I fight (not physically okay?) against the ideas of Dieudonné and his friends, I defend freedom of speech above all and I'm totally against any kind of censorship.

Wow! The chutzpah! Is it time to recite the Kol Nidre soon, renfr?

Now I'm evil?
I'm not brainwashed at all, no one except myself had influence on me and 6-7 years ago my thoughts were completely different.

You've been evil the whole time. You didn't answer the question: were you sent to reconstructed concentration camps in Poland when you were a child, like the Jewish children in Yoav Shamir's excellent documentary?

Tell that to Armenians, they must be really happy that Turks tell them that the Armenian genocide didn't exist.

Turks deny the Armenian genocide for chauvinistic/patriotic/cultural reasons -- i.e. because their government and media tell them that it wasn't a genocide, just casualties of war. The pan-Turkist brainwashing going on over there is not dissimilar to the American type, only a bit more obvious from a Western perspective. The ADL and other organized Jewish groups support the Turkish government's position because many of the Young Turks and Committee of Union and Progress party members who committed the genocide were Donmeh crypto-Jews from Salonika, and an investigation into the Armenian genocide would reveal this. An investigation (and resulting reparations) is unlikely to happen if the genocide is not internationally recognized.

Can you show me an Armenian who denounces someone investigating the genocide? I doubt this exists. But ask a single question about the Shoah and you'll receive threats from fanatical thugs like renfr. But he's "totally against any kind of censorship", he just wants you to "pay the price" for exercising your freedom of speech!

[hdbuck]

this thread has clearly degenerated from its original purpose which was to discuss Mark Karpeles & his behavior unbecoming of a person of the Jewish faith. Please stay on topic.

there's nothing to add. MK is a fanatic jewish like our fellow renfr here. did his misbehavior regarding gox was because of being jewish? nope. but he clearly had a wicked way to interprete and live his religion. And his beliefs points the fact that he's probably remorseless. - just like our fellow renfr here when he talks about nuking the whole damn world.

[renfr]

- It's not mental violence, it's called justice, oh poor criminals who are victims of mental violence for being prosecuted, I pity them! 
- Catholicism is more than advocating peace, "turn the other cheek" basically means that you submit to the attacker, this is beyond peace, there's a time for peace and there's a time for self-defense. Other christians didn't follow these principles and that's why orthodoxy and protestantism are still saying strong.
- an eye for an eye is not religious, it's just a normal moral standard, yes we advocate peace but if you attack us then don't expect that we turn the other cheek, we'll counterattack more than proportionally to your attack
- Israel is not my country, I'm French, France is my country, some Jews decide to make Aliyah and live in Israel, others don't, there are 7.5 million Jews in the US (more than Israel) and most of them don't want to leave the US, it's their nation, I merely support the Jews who live in Israel to have their nation and their state. In a world where anything can justify pogroms against jews Israel is needed, everytime something goes wrong there's always a nutjob coming and telling us "it's the Jews!".
- because antifascists and neonazis may have antisemitism in common but they don't have many other aspects of their ideology in common, it's like shias and sunnis, they all hate Israel and the jews yet they kill each other because they're not of the same branch
- this wasn't really terrorism, it was just an act of self defense against antisemites, the JDL is just telling antisemites that there's no place in this world in where they can just spew out their hatred and rest comfortably, they'll be always hunted down like we hunted the last nazis before they die. To each crime, a punishment is deserved, the JDL makes sure that this rule is enforced.
I know you're going to call me violent for saying that again but it's the mere truth.
- I am for the freedom of expression of Dieudonné however for each antisemitic act he commits he's warned that he'll pay the consequences for it
- Mark wrote that when he was in Israel, more than 8 years ago, it was during his period in which he was trying to find his identity, there's an excellent article about his story where he leaves France for Israel because he doesn't feel like at home and when he comes to Israel he doesn't feel like at home either hence why he flew to Japan where apparently he declares to feel at home.
2006 was when he was in Ashdod and when he wrote this article, he was likely trying to find into his jewish roots but he failed to do so, now as I said he's just a computer geek who doesn't care about religion anymore, he probably cares more about anime, kawaii and cosplay

Seriously i dont mean to be rude, but i'm tired of that constant hate you guys keeps on blindly bringing on. Thankfully not all jews thinks the same way you and MK do.
Although I really hope you could change your mind *again

PS: and i intentionally used the same vocabulary you do (ie. evil, insane, etc etc) to show you how it actually feels when being treated that way.

PPS: cant fight it boy, come join the awesome brotherhood of Mankind Cheesy

I am not hateful. I kept discussing during all this thread peacefully without any kind of animosity.

You've been evil the whole time. You didn't answer the question: were you sent to reconstructed concentration camps in Poland when you were a child, like the Jewish children in Yoav Shamir's excellent documentary?

No, why is that?

Can you show me an Armenian who denounces someone investigating the genocide? I doubt this exists. But ask a single question about the Shoah and you'll receive threats from fanatical thugs like renfr. But he's "totally against any kind of censorship", he just wants you to "pay the price" for exercising your freedom of speech!

Lots of people investigated the holocaust, many experts, historians, etc... none of them were hindered in their actions so I don't see what you're talking about.
The problem is not with investigating on the holocaust but the problem is with those who bluntly deny the holocaust without any tangible proof.
More than 4.5 million people were declared on the biographical lists (http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en) of the Yad Vashem, these people never existed right?

[leopard2]

You see the problem I have is this. In Germany, and elsewhere too, you have to believe in the Holocaust by law.

You are not even allowed to compare numbers. If you would say something like, Stalin killed 20 mio, Holocaust was only X mio, even that would be illegal.

Now I ask you: When in history was it necessary to protect a commonly known truth by law? In the middle ages you were killed if you said, the earth is a sphere, and so on. Today if you say, the earth is flat, you will not go to jail because everyone knows this is bullshit.

Personally I do believe in the Holocaust, although I also believe it has been massively leveraged to make money.

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

Thomas Jefferson

So renfr what do you think, is it good when governments try to control our minds?

[btcusury]

Exactly. Truth doesn't need laws to protect it. When legislation is created to silence those who dig deeper into supposed "historical fact", you can be 100% certain that a major lie is being presented as unquestionable truth.

It is also a fact that 99.99% of those who declare to "believe in the Holocaust" (same goes for many other historical events, BTW) have not looked into the other side's argument.

[leopard2]

you cannot deny there was a Holocaust at all

yet it seems that it is used for fingerpointing by some. Bad people use it to distract from their own crimes.

Like USA. They have killed millions of American Natives. In fact that was the worst genocide ever. Israel deserves to exist, but with the same logic all Americans should have returned the continent to the Natives!!!!!!!!!!!

In which case Germany would have won WW2

And no one would have to be scared of the Samson Option!!!    Sorry for being cynical ...

[btcusury]

you cannot deny there was a Holocaust at all

Of course you can. And it should be perfectly fine to you. If it's as true as you believe it is, then why would you care what someone says? The truth stands on its own, as you said. Replace the word "Holocaust" with "God" and you could be someone living a few hundred years ago, when denying the existence of God would be met with reactions similar to the one I'm quoting above.

yet it seems that it is used for fingerpointing by some. Bad people use it to distract from their own crimes.

And to confer eternal victim status. And to extort and squeeze Germany and emotionally manipulate the whole planet into waging war against "the new Hitler" (be it Ahmadinejad, Assad, Gaddafi, ...). It's also used to scam people (including actual Jewish WWII victims) in innumerable ways. Check out the work of Norman Finkelstein if you want to know.

Like USA. They have killed millions of American Natives. In fact that was the worst genocide ever. Israel deserves to exist, but with the same logic all Americans should have returned the continent to the Natives!!!!!!!!!!!

The worst genocide ever was the transatlantic slave trade, followed by Mao's genocide of the Chinese. There have been many genocides worse (by numbers) than the one we hear so much about, but none of them are being used to justify war, nor are people deprived of their freedom for "denying" (presenting evidence that contradicts the established story, or even just questioning) any genocide other than the Sacred Six Million one. And as you can prove to yourself with this video, there's a reason I use the term "Sacred Six Million".

[leopard2]

I meant worst, measured by land taken - a whole continent.

[Bit_Happy]

Is Mark Karpeles Jewish? [serious]

Is Jewish [serious] somehow different from regular Jews?   
I don't really think his religion matters, also surely someone must have mentioned Bernie (almost) MadeOff was Jewish.

[itsunderstood]

Why don't you people stick to discussing Moses?  That's where the real moneyball is at.  All this is just some back and forth bs, you too hdbuck, both of you are just facing each other in a maelstrom.

Would Moses as Pharaoh have eliminated debt via the concept of jubilee?  That is the only question to ask.  The answer is yes, and talmud violates that, and talmud is anti-Moses.

[Eeminia]

There should be no racial discrimination 
no matter what type man he were, I didn't think he have better morals.

[hdbuck]

There should be no racial discrimination  
no matter what type man he were, I didn't think he have better morals.

im gonna repost this:

search for "mark karpeles dijon" in pdf...

->http://dspace.lafayette.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10385/845/Weiner-SupplementtoanUncertainFutureII-2013.pdf?sequence=4

Judeo-Christian Friendship
Sister Odile’s Conference: The Language of Anti-Semitism
Karpeles, Mark. "Amitié judéo-chrétienne. Conférence de Sœur Odile: Le langage de l’antisémitisme." Mazal Tov 39 (2006): 23.

I have been subjected to anti-Semitism since my birth. And not only me. My parents, my family,
my friends, my cousins, people that I love, people that I don’t love, and even people in general,
people that I have never met or I have simply come across by chance. This long list and the
frequent cases of anti-Semitism have convinced me that anti-Semitism is feebleminded and to an
extent even ridiculous.
I could not possibly take Hitler seriously.
Sister Odile gave a long, detailed overview of anti-Judaism throughout the ages, with all
its different names: anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, negationism. She underlined the different
connotations of these names from a religious and racial point of view and also as a means of
denying responsibility.
Sister Odile demonstrated extraordinary erudition, comprehensive, profound, and
extensive. Her expression consists of clear thoughts and simple language, which can inform
everyone about an unbelievable number of events, all presented in a clear way.
I personally knew about most of those events, but their juxtaposition and arrangement
presented a totally different picture of the puzzle, much more comprehensive than the one
presented by the small separate pieces.
It captured the big picture in its totality!
I have realized that the anti-Semites are fooled into believing such things, but I’m far
from thinking but I hardly thought that their foolishness and aberration could go to such an
extent: the disdain and disavowal of the Jewish origins of Jesus, who was himself a Rabbi, are
really stupefying. The treatment that Marie has to endure is no better. Poor Mayane! Poor
Myriam!
Moreover, she has to suffer a temporal distortion because some people call her “The
daughter of Palestine” even though Palestine didn’t exist until a century later; instead it existed
as a Roman province before becoming a Turkish province, under the name Division of Gaza (the
name Palestine was revived by mistake by the English in the 20th century, as part of their
imperialist acts.)
I was scandalized by the number of linguistic errors, completely ignorant of Judaism, and
a pejorative tone used to multiply the textual mistranslations of the Torah and the Gospels:
- “Misery to the Philistines!” instead of “The Miserable Philistines!”
- Introduction of the adjective “perfidious.”
- Transformation of the word “keren” (loop, beam, crown) into “horn” so that horned
Moses evokes a satanic figure.
Above all, I have learned that anti-Semitism was born the same moment as was
monotheism. This helped me find the answer to the question that I have always asked: “Why
anti-Semitism?”
If anti-Semitism came into being at the same time as monotheism, namely in the moment
when the Alliance between God and the Jews was concluded, then it is the response of the Evil
Forces to this Covenant.
Anti-Semitism is the response of Evil Forces to the Alliance between God and Man.
Indeed it has all the characteristics of evil: stupidity, absurdity, and defeat!
The Forces of Evil use anti-Semitism in their attempt to destroy the Covenant between
God and Man.

Mark Karpeles

edit: also : https://web.archive.org/web/20090313082559/http://blog.magicaltux.net/

Gaza, Israël and all those things you hear on news
January 14th, 2009
If you’re reading this blog, you probably also read news, and maybe you were there when I first talked about Gaza, Israël, and all those things you hear or read on the news.

So, you know the conflict is back, is now labelled as a war, and is going nicely since December 27th. Gaza keeps firing rockets and mortar on Israël, and Israël’s army keeps advancing in Gaza with the goal of stopping attacks.

Today, the number of casualties reached the value of 1000 death in Gaza (while it’s still written that this number is not confirmed by any external source, it still seems plausible).

Ok, so now I’ll provide answers for five questions I hear everyday, I’ll try to stay as impartial as possible, but since I have friends in Israël and I lived there for a few months, I might not be totally impartial. I’m warning you now, so you know in advance, and read this document while you know about this.

Israël is killing, and keeps killing civilians, while Gaza/Hamas killed mostly military men.
Technically, attacks against Israël is not done by an army, so attacking those people means you’ll end killing “civilians”. They are usually labelled “terrorists”, however you might want to think that the children/women killed were not all terrorists. You are probably right, but still again, when you have civilian-looking terrorists hiding in a civilian-looking place, it becomes quite tricky.
Now, the amount of casualties is pretty high, while it seems attacks against Israël didn’t fall, so I believe lots of blood have been wasted there.
Who is winning the war?
In recent wars, the one who “wins” as you could think, is the one who gets attacked. As long as Israël is getting hit from Gaza, it can say there are “bad boys” there that needs to be punished, and keep attacking. The same is also true in the other side, as long as Gaza keeps being attacked by Israël, Hamas can continue firing rockets.
The next point is making this sound better. You need quite a lot of marketting to make you looks like “the good guy” in a war. For now I’d say that Hamas looks like the “bad guy” because of previous marketting (labelled as a “terror organisation”, etc) while Israël started an all-out war, then gave some “bits” to show they are the “good guys”.
Now, everything depends on your definition of “winning a war”, however nowaday, “winning a war” meaning having most other countries recognizing you as the winner.
Why is the political pressure on Israël to stop the war having no effect?
The fact USA is not following is having a strong impact against any attempt to stop the war. Hamas also showed they don’t want to stop the war at all costs by refusing the cease fire proposed one week earlier. I’ve also read in a previous article from BBC News that Hamas was “about to win the war”, and just needed a few more days.
How could Hamas win the war?
I personally believe the only way for Hamas to win against Israël’s well-trained army is to stop firing rockets. Any other kind of threat will cause a strong international reaction, and probably the apparition of other armies (I’m looking at America right now).
If Hamas stops rocket firing, Israël’s army will have no more a valid reason for killing civilians, and will have to fall back and explain all deaths since the conflict started. Arrived at this point, rocket/mortar firing can resume for a few months before another military operation will be possible.
Of course, that would require for Hamas to be able to pass orders, and its followers to accept such order. I don’t know how they are organised, but this kind of order is usually hard to accept.
How could Israël win the war?
A war against an ideology is not something you can win easily. I’m not even sure you can win at all.
If you exterminate anyone following the ideoligy, you’ll be a “bad guy”. If you don’t, they’ll still taunt you.
Currently, Israël seems to be taking the “average” route, by attacking “all out”, then opening things like a daily truce of a few hours, etc… They are maintaining publicity for the military operations this way, and keep attacking to try to demotivate attackers. While this will have an effect on most people attacking Israël, it’ll still have the reverse effect on some of them, who will begin/continue firing rockets and running operations against Israël.
So, are you saying this war has no permanent way of ending?

If you see any viable long-term option for this conflict, speak it out. I believe if an easy solution existed, it would already be found and applied, however things are not that easy.
Let’s remember that Israël is a country initially imposed on existing countries of the area in 1947 and declared its independence on May 14, 1948.
Of course, if at some point someone else told you you will have to share your hourse with someone else, you wouldn’t be really happy. That was the case for the countries located at the place which became the first Jewish state, and they showed it. In return Israël also attacked, and won more territories than initially planned.

Since those conflicts are barely 50 years old (and not all), the place is quite unstable, and wars are easily started. Everyone has a reason for fighting, however the context has changed. How your country is seen by other countries became important for international market, and as I previously said, the winner will be chosen for its marketting effort. Even countries like Notrth Korea did some (temporary) efforts to fix the way they were seen by other countries and try to resume commercial exchange with their neighbors.

bullish?!  

its not racial discrimination. its ideological..

[AT101ET]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

[hdbuck]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he considers himself above it all. people had it coming.
Lots of lulz screwing the gentils.

[AT101ET]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he consider himself above it all. people had it coming.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

[hdbuck]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he consider himself above it all. people had it coming.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

yup i hear you. this subject is very sensitive. but it doesnt make it less real. there's a simple word for this: zionism.
which is no religion. nor race. its an ideology, as i mentioned before.

just wanted to make things clear. rational. peace.

[AT101ET]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he consider himself above it all. people had it coming.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

yup i hear you. this subject is very sensitive. but it doesnt make it less real. there's a simple word for this: zionism.
which is no religion. nor race. its an ideology, as i mentioned before.

just wanted to make things clear. rational. peace.

I don't want to drag myself into this but how exactly is Zionism to blame for pulling off a big scam?
In my opinion this just looks like an excuse to hide baseless anti Semitism. Every time something happens the world blames Zionism with no real reason why.
Seems like people just use it as a cover up.

[hdbuck]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he consider himself above it all. people had it coming.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

yup i hear you. this subject is very sensitive. but it doesnt make it less real. there's a simple word for this: zionism.
which is no religion. nor race. its an ideology, as i mentioned before.

just wanted to make things clear. rational. peace.

I don't want to drag myself into this but how exactly is Zionism to blame for pulling off a big scam?
In my opinion this just looks like an excuse to hide baseless anti Semitism. Every time something happens the world blames Zionism with no real reason why.
Seems like people just use it as a cover up.

meh im not gonna enumerate the countless bad things zionism has done or provided with moral support. God's chosen people? sounds a bit supremacist to me personally.
+ jewish friends of mine agree that it is not antisemitism that nurtures from zionism, but quite the contrary.
hence, people falling for that crap are the ones being antisemitic (whatever that word means actually), since they are the ones endangering the rest of their community.