Is Mark Karpeles Jewish? [serious]

[theshazbot]

People have been posting on reddit and IRC that his last name Karpeles is a common French Jewish name. Is that true? If he were raised Jewish, you'd think he'd have better morals.

[Luno]

Karpeles is an old name in the district. There was a rabbi karpeles once.

I have Jewish ancestry too, most Europeans have if you look hard enough!!

So what???

[renfr]

Yes he's jewish, he speaks some hebrew too according to his blog.

So what? Who actually cares about that?

[itsunderstood]

Jewish isn't the right term, its kinda of a non word.

Talmud is what encourages adherents to fuck the others over.  Profit and worship of debt, is what that collection is about.

Judaism is torah (Moses) v. talmud (the priests)

So in terms of screwing the world over, the talmud is the best text for that.

[renfr]

Yes he's jewish, he speaks some hebrew too according to his blog.

So what? Who actually cares about that?

It's just interesting to see people whether they are Jewish or Christian, and then do things that exactly against the moral principles/teachings they grew up with.

1. We still don't know about the real outcome of this situation
2. Being religious doesn't make you immune to making mistakes
3. He's very likely not pious to his religion like many jews and christians in the West, add the fact that he's a geek developer (tech savy people are not known for being especially very religious)

So honestly I don't see why you're coming up with that fact, you're mind is twisted

Last I heard, a certain Mr. Madoff was also Jewish...

No implications, just stating the facts.

Antisemitic bullshit, STFU

Jewish isn't the right term, its kinda of a non word.

Talmud is what encourages adherents to fuck the others over.  Profit and worship of debt, is what that collection is about.

Judaism is torah (Moses) v. talmud (the priests)

So in terms of screwing the world over, the talmud is the best text for that.

F*ck off antisemitic scumbag filth
Post reported to mods

[itsunderstood]

I don't know what 'antisemetic' means, I love Arabs and Egyptians, all semites.  

Talmud however, is a global system of wealth and money worship.

If you don't know history, then stay silent.  There are huge differences between Moses and talmud.  Moses was not a talmudist, he tried to fork that blockchain AWAY from the evil priests at Peor.  Know your history or be silent.

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Anyway, cryptoreligion means that people lie about what faith they show on the outside.  Also, if you want to research crypto in terms of religion, research Jacob Frank, Sabbati Zevi, and their ilk.  These are the ones who shape today's political world.

But then, this forum is meant to be shallow, no depth, just coins.  But, what forces follow coins?

[bennybong]

[Bobsurplus]

Yes he's jewish, he speaks some hebrew too according to his blog.

So what? Who actually cares about that?

It's just interesting to see people whether they are Jewish or Christian, and then do things that exactly against the moral principles/teachings they grew up with.

1. We still don't know about the real outcome of this situation
2. Being religious doesn't make you immune to making mistakes
3. He's very likely not pious to his religion like many jews and christians in the West, add the fact that he's a geek developer (tech savy people are not known for being especially very religious)

So honestly I don't see why you're coming up with that fact, you're mind is twisted

Last I heard, a certain Mr. Madoff was also Jewish...

No implications, just stating the facts.

Antisemitic bullshit, STFU

Jewish isn't the right term, its kinda of a non word.

Talmud is what encourages adherents to fuck the others over.  Profit and worship of debt, is what that collection is about.

Judaism is torah (Moses) v. talmud (the priests)

So in terms of screwing the world over, the talmud is the best text for that.

F*ck off antisemitic scumbag filth
Post reported to mods

Once again, another troll who knows nothing and just has the runs of his mouth.

The post you called anti-Semitic was not anti-Semitic.

He was saying that the Talmud says its ok to take money from nonjews, in fact its a bracha.

So lay off the term Jewish because the laws of Talmud are not the same as being Jewish or following Judaism  

At least that's how I understood it.

[theshazbot]

I don't think Karpeles is Semitic. I think he is European Caucasian. Semites are Arabs, and Mark doesn't have a beard or brown skin.

[itsunderstood]

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He was saying that the Talmud says its ok to take money from nonjews, in fact its a bracha.

So lay off the term Jewish because the laws of Talmud are not the same as being Jewish or following Judaism  

At least that's how I understood it.

True, its just that inter-tribe warfare inside Judaism is tough.

It is normal to ask if Mark K. is raised by talmudists, that's a very normal question.  Everyone knows talmud is actually not the word of Moses.  I am happy to refer to Encyclopedia Judaica because I have done the research.

But in the end OP, your thread here makes little difference, because most hardcore religionists these days, live opposite lives to their faith in secret.  Mormon Jack drink when nobody's lookin, Catholic Joe sins and confesses just like Pius 12 and his Jesuit confessor ran WW2 (Himmler was a Jesuit priest).

So OP, probably your question is moot: This world is run by criminals who are pros at having a fake appearance.

[renfr]

Yes he's jewish, he speaks some hebrew too according to his blog.

So what? Who actually cares about that?

It's just interesting to see people whether they are Jewish or Christian, and then do things that exactly against the moral principles/teachings they grew up with.

1. We still don't know about the real outcome of this situation
2. Being religious doesn't make you immune to making mistakes
3. He's very likely not pious to his religion like many jews and christians in the West, add the fact that he's a geek developer (tech savy people are not known for being especially very religious)

So honestly I don't see why you're coming up with that fact, you're mind is twisted

Last I heard, a certain Mr. Madoff was also Jewish...

No implications, just stating the facts.

Antisemitic bullshit, STFU

Jewish isn't the right term, its kinda of a non word.

Talmud is what encourages adherents to fuck the others over.  Profit and worship of debt, is what that collection is about.

Judaism is torah (Moses) v. talmud (the priests)

So in terms of screwing the world over, the talmud is the best text for that.

F*ck off antisemitic scumbag filth
Post reported to mods

Once again, another troll who knows nothing and just has the runs of his mouth.

The post you called anti-Semitic was not anti-Semitic.

He was saying that the Talmud says its ok to take money from nonjews, in fact its a bracha.

So lay off the term Jewish because the laws of Talmud are not the same as being Jewish or following Judaism  

At least that's how I understood it.

Talmud is part of Halakha (Jewish law), not sure why you're trying to uproot it.
His post was antisemitic, because he's spewing out antisemitic lies that are commonly found on antisemitic propaganda websites, the so-called translations of the Talmud that are found out there on some websites are plain BS.

I don't know what 'antisemetic' means, I love Arabs and Egyptians, all semites.  Huh

Talmud however, is a global system of wealth and money worship.

If you don't know history, then stay silent.  There are huge differences between Moses and talmud.  Moses was not a talmudist, he tried to fork that blockchain AWAY from the evil priests at Peor.  Know your history or be silent.

edit

Anyway, cryptoreligion means that people lie about what faith they show on the outside.  Also, if you want to research crypto in terms of religion, research Jacob Frank, Sabbati Zevi, and their ilk.  These are the ones who shape today's political world.

But then, this forum is meant to be shallow, no depth, just coins.  But, what forces follow coins?

Talmudic law and rabbinic laws are part of Judaism, you can't uproot them, and stop believing what antisemitic websites say about Judaism.
All of that is plain BS.

I'm quite surprised to read such bullshit on a bitcoin forum, keep your stupid propaganda off this website.

[itsunderstood]

^^^ one thing too is that the NWO religion is actually modeled after Islam.  This is from Leo Zagami who I do think still has some cred.

So, the merging of talmud with Islam, will happen, according to the NWO plan.  It's obvious when you know history of religion.

It's okay tho, even on such a "high tech" forum as this, truth can be discussed.  There has to be a "truth subforum" on this domain eh?  Or does religion have no place in crime drugs and moneythefts?

[renfr]

Seriously who the fuck cares, if Mark is proven to be a thief and a criminal then who the fuck actually cares about his religion, only a bumbling idiot who spends too much time on the web would believe such BS.

Stop propaging these lies, overall on a fucking bitcoin forum, this isn't David Icke's, ATS or Godlikeproductions forums.

[itsunderstood]

Seriously who the fuck cares, if Mark is proven to be a thief and a criminal then who the fuck actually cares about his religion, only a bumbling idiot who spends too much time on the web would believe such BS.

Stop propaging these lies, overall on a fucking bitcoin forum, this isn't David Icke's, ATS or Godlikeproductions. forums.

I am well known on two of those, but D. Icke doesn't interest me.

You think coins and their history, are not part of conspiracy?  Didn't you know Rothschild got his start collecting coins?  LOL

[itsunderstood]

Let's see if this forum can handle a true conspiracy thread or not.

Let's widen this peanut.  Not just to pick on Moses/talmud and Islam, but also Rome.

If Knights of Malta went against the Muslim Brohood, whom would be more covert?

If Mormon Mafia went against Russian Orthodox Church, whom would be more clever in hiding their prelude?

I am not an enemy of God or religion, but, I think OPs question is broader than framed here in this thread.  Abraham has three branches to his faith: Moses>Jesus>Mohammed, a progression through three supposed leaders.  They intend the final one (Mohammed) to be the last of the three, they will destroy all three in terms of their plan.  This is all right out in the open, no secrets.

I will truly enjoy this thread if it survives, but no, "Jew-baiting" is not a good hobby.  Better to bait all idiot religionists who don't know history.  I am not discriminating, I like to expose all lies.  Haha.

[renfr]

Seriously who the fuck cares, if Mark is proven to be a thief and a criminal then who the fuck actually cares about his religion, only a bumbling idiot who spends too much time on the web would believe such BS.

Stop propaging these lies, overall on a fucking bitcoin forum, this isn't David Icke's, ATS or Godlikeproductions. forums.

I am well known on two of those, but D. Icke doesn't interest me.

You think coins and their history, are not part of conspiracy?  Didn't you know Rothschild got his start collecting coins?  LOL

So what? You know, if Jews were successful with trade and banking it's because both Christians and Muslims let the Jews took the opportunity, interest was against christianity until the Rerum Novarum and Islam stills forbids interests.
So if there's someone to blame then it's both Christians and Muslims, not the Jews.

So what, if there are many Jews in this sector? One jew made a ponzi scheme, out of what? 13 million jews?

Keep the BS off this forum and go back on ATS and Godlikeproductions if you have accounts there then.

Next step : Satoshi Nakamoto is Jewish? Bitcoin is a Jewish ponzi scheme? Just STFU.

[renfr]

Let's see if this forum can handle a true conspiracy thread or not.

Let's widen this peanut.  Not just to pick on Moses/talmud and Islam, but also Rome.

If Knights of Malta went against the Muslim Brohood, whom would be more covert?

If Mormon Mafia went against Russian Orthodox Church, whom would be more clever in hiding their prelude?

I am not an enemy of God or religion, but, I think OPs question is broader than framed here in this thread.  Abraham has three branches to his faith: Moses>Jesus>Mohammed, a progression through three supposed leaders.  They intend the final one (Mohammed) to be the last of the three, they will destroy all three in terms of their plan.  This is all right out in the open, no secrets.

I will truly enjoy this thread if it survives, but no, "Jew-baiting" is not a good hobby.  Better to bait all idiot religionists who don't know history.  I am not discriminating, I like to expose all lies.  Haha.

Of course, the Jews were behind that? Muslim invasion of Spain was a Jewish scheme right? So was the Ottoman empire invasion?
Go read the real history and not stupid BS that you could have ever read on conspiracy forums.

And stop going in the hiding by saying "their", just say what you really want to say. Be honest with yourself.
This thread is derailing sharp, it should be closed before more BS starts flowing in.

[Zarathustra]

So if there's someone to blame then it's both Christians and Muslims, not the Jews.

It's all the same bullshit. Organized violence/crime.

[itsunderstood]

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And stop going in the hiding by saying "their", just say what you really want to say. Be honest with yourself.
This thread is derailing sharp, it should be closed before more BS starts flowing in.

You are the one whose mission it is to end threads along certain lines.

Type some more, you will get your wish.  Your posts above were priceless in those terms.

[V4Vendettas]

Wow I was thinking this thread was going to be 100% racist bullsht but some of it was actualy interesting . Damit now I have to go away and find some sources and learn a bit. Thanks I guess.

Still its is a really touchy subject and maybe better off in P&S sub forum who knows. Shame the OP started the thread in such a base way when some of the later content is an interesting thought provoking read.

[AT101ET]

Whether M.K is Jewish or not is irrelevant.
I can assure you that even if he is, he isn't observant. He was probably not brought up in a observant household and therefore wouldn't be in touch with any of its ethos and morals.

Greed is powerful. It can change the best of people no matter who they are...
On a separate point, let's try not to be so assuming. Perhaps it really was a screw up and they lost them all including all their own hoardings...

Now, re the Talmudic post...
Talmud is a part if Judaism. It is the written law which contains the Mishnah.
The Talmud includes the Rabbinical laws, Torah laws and the personal understanding of different sages on what each law means and to the extent to which it must be observed.

The argument is honestly pathetic.
I will try not to mix in much.
The Talmud does NOT say that it is permitted to cheat a non-Jew.
No cheating is allowed whatsoever in Judaism. There are laws (Halacha) where the law is different when it applies to Jewish and non Jewish cases such as;
1) A Jew can't charge another Jew interest but he can charge a non Jew interest.
2) If a Jew receives too much change from a purchase, if the owner is a Jew, he must return it. If the owner is a non Jew, he is entitled to keep the money.

These are just examples of where the laws apply differently to Jews and non Jews.
Despite this, I'm sure most people (Jews alike) have good morals and will return the change in such a situation even when they aren't entitled to.

Let's keep any debate we have here clean. Free from any racism, anti semitism and violence.

Everyone is entitled to their own view. I'd be happy to argue as long as it is dignified

[itsunderstood]

It's true OP probably had a certain intent.

But, these forums are full of not only child-minds, buit those who steer child-minds as well.  So, it pays to polarize the weakminded, history shows that.

Worship of money is a sickness in all religions.  Also, you can't run a politician without some gravy thrown to the preachers/churches/synagoges, etc

So, cryptocoin seeks to solve some of the human's problems? Haha, it may just do that, but I am not sure forums of any kind, glp or bitcointalk, can get it done.  Frankly, I have run a thread to almost 2100 pages on glp with just my research on Moses.  No way could a thread like that happen here, which is kinda sad.

It takes a lot of discussion to unfuck a century as bloody and profitable as the 20th, whole Nation States were grown out of the bloody mess of WW2.  In fact, stolen coins are the root of what moves history.  Templar treasure, etc.

But like Jesus said, true value is gotten by storing treasures in "heaven"  ...Hmm, what did he mean I wonder?  Does heaven have some special security that keeps my treasures safe?  LOL

[V4Vendettas]

Whether M.K is Jewish or not is irrelevant.

This.

[renfr]

Whether M.K is Jewish or not is irrelevant.
I can assure you that even if he is, he isn't observant. He was probably not brought up in a observant household and therefore wouldn't be in touch with any of its ethos and morals.

Greed is powerful. It can change the best of people no matter who they are...
On a separate point, let's try not to be so assuming. Perhaps it really was a screw up and they lost them all including all their own hoardings...

Now, re the Talmudic post...
Talmud is a part if Judaism. It is the written law which contains the Mishnah.
The Talmud includes the Rabbinical laws, Torah laws and the personal understanding of different sages on what each law means and to the extent to which it must be observed.

The argument is honestly pathetic.
I will try not to mix in much.
The Talmud does NOT say that it is permitted to cheat a non-Jew.
No cheating is allowed whatsoever in Judaism. There are laws (Halacha) where the law is different when it applies to Jewish and non Jewish cases such as;
1) A Jew can't charge another Jew interest but he can charge a non Jew interest.
2) If a Jew receives too much change from a purchase, if the owner is a Jew, he must return it. If the owner is a non Jew, he is entitled to keep the money.

These are just examples of where the laws apply differently to Jews and non Jews.
Despite this, I'm sure most people (Jews alike) have good morals and will return the change in such a situation even when they aren't entitled to.

Let's keep any debate we have here clean. Free from any racism, anti semitism and violence.

Everyone is entitled to their own view. I'd be happy to argue as long as it is dignified

Kol hakavod 

[Bobsurplus]

Whether M.K is Jewish or not is irrelevant.
I can assure you that even if he is, he isn't observant. He was probably not brought up in a observant household and therefore wouldn't be in touch with any of its ethos and morals.

Greed is powerful. It can change the best of people no matter who they are...
On a separate point, let's try not to be so assuming. Perhaps it really was a screw up and they lost them all including all their own hoardings...

Now, re the Talmudic post...
Talmud is a part if Judaism. It is the written law which contains the Mishnah.
The Talmud includes the Rabbinical laws, Torah laws and the personal understanding of different sages on what each law means and to the extent to which it must be observed.

The argument is honestly pathetic.
I will try not to mix in much.
The Talmud does NOT say that it is permitted to cheat a non-Jew.
No cheating is allowed whatsoever in Judaism. There are laws (Halacha) where the law is different when it applies to Jewish and non Jewish cases such as;
1) A Jew can't charge another Jew interest but he can charge a non Jew interest.
2) If a Jew receives too much change from a purchase, if the owner is a Jew, he must return it. If the owner is a non Jew, he is entitled to keep the money.

These are just examples of where the laws apply differently to Jews and non Jews.
Despite this, I'm sure most people (Jews alike) have good morals and will return the change in such a situation even when they aren't entitled to.

Let's keep any debate we have here clean. Free from any racism, anti semitism and violence.

Everyone is entitled to their own view. I'd be happy to argue as long as it is dignified

So the Talmud does say its ok to defraud/scam non Jews..

Laws and books are written in black and white but law has, is and forever will be grey. It how one put in power to interpret these laws says it is. And no living person is black and white. we are all grey!

[itsunderstood]

It is just as fair to ask if he is the son of a Jesuit, as was H. Himmler.

Not so much "Jews" but more about the powers which pursue coins and foment war to confiscate them.  The money issuing class one might call them, they come in all false religious colors right OP?

[renfr]

Whether M.K is Jewish or not is irrelevant.
I can assure you that even if he is, he isn't observant. He was probably not brought up in a observant household and therefore wouldn't be in touch with any of its ethos and morals.

Greed is powerful. It can change the best of people no matter who they are...
On a separate point, let's try not to be so assuming. Perhaps it really was a screw up and they lost them all including all their own hoardings...

Now, re the Talmudic post...
Talmud is a part if Judaism. It is the written law which contains the Mishnah.
The Talmud includes the Rabbinical laws, Torah laws and the personal understanding of different sages on what each law means and to the extent to which it must be observed.

The argument is honestly pathetic.
I will try not to mix in much.
The Talmud does NOT say that it is permitted to cheat a non-Jew.
No cheating is allowed whatsoever in Judaism. There are laws (Halacha) where the law is different when it applies to Jewish and non Jewish cases such as;
1) A Jew can't charge another Jew interest but he can charge a non Jew interest.
2) If a Jew receives too much change from a purchase, if the owner is a Jew, he must return it. If the owner is a non Jew, he is entitled to keep the money.

These are just examples of where the laws apply differently to Jews and non Jews.
Despite this, I'm sure most people (Jews alike) have good morals and will return the change in such a situation even when they aren't entitled to.

Let's keep any debate we have here clean. Free from any racism, anti semitism and violence.

Everyone is entitled to their own view. I'd be happy to argue as long as it is dignified

So the Talmud does say its ok to fraud non Jews..

Laws and books are written in black and white but law has, is and forever will be grey. It how one put in power to interpret these laws says it is. And no living person is black and white. we are all grey!

If a service costs 100 and you give 200, this is NOT a fraud.
Also AT101ET didn't explain that part clearly, when a non-jew gives too much change to a jew then the jew is NOT forced to give back the excess if the non-jew is not aware that he gave too much.
However if the non-jew knows that he gave too much then the jew is FORCED to return the excess.
It is forbidden to mislead a non-jew in any case.

[AT101ET]

Whether M.K is Jewish or not is irrelevant.
I can assure you that even if he is, he isn't observant. He was probably not brought up in a observant household and therefore wouldn't be in touch with any of its ethos and morals.

Greed is powerful. It can change the best of people no matter who they are...
On a separate point, let's try not to be so assuming. Perhaps it really was a screw up and they lost them all including all their own hoardings...

Now, re the Talmudic post...
Talmud is a part if Judaism. It is the written law which contains the Mishnah.
The Talmud includes the Rabbinical laws, Torah laws and the personal understanding of different sages on what each law means and to the extent to which it must be observed.

The argument is honestly pathetic.
I will try not to mix in much.
The Talmud does NOT say that it is permitted to cheat a non-Jew.
No cheating is allowed whatsoever in Judaism. There are laws (Halacha) where the law is different when it applies to Jewish and non Jewish cases such as;
1) A Jew can't charge another Jew interest but he can charge a non Jew interest.
2) If a Jew receives too much change from a purchase, if the owner is a Jew, he must return it. If the owner is a non Jew, he is entitled to keep the money.

These are just examples of where the laws apply differently to Jews and non Jews.
Despite this, I'm sure most people (Jews alike) have good morals and will return the change in such a situation even when they aren't entitled to.

Let's keep any debate we have here clean. Free from any racism, anti semitism and violence.

Everyone is entitled to their own view. I'd be happy to argue as long as it is dignified

So the Talmud does say its ok to defraud/scam non Jews..

Laws and books are written in black and white but law has, is and forever will be grey. It how one put in power to interpret these laws says it is. And no living person is black and white. we are all grey!

I'm not going to contradict what I wrote.
YES the Talmud states that.
However, there are rules that affect that law. The law stands only in certain circumstances.
It isn't simple but I was just trying to demonstrate a point made.
Greed affects all no matter what.
In such a situation I'm sure a vast majority of all people no matter their race or religion will be dignified and return it.

[itsunderstood]

QUESTION:  How will 10% of all BTC so far (million+ coins) be valued in comparison to the templar treasure?

So if the market cap of BTC goes to 100 billion, is 10 billion dollars a lot of coins?

So, historical analysis of cointheiving Mammon worshippers of ALL STRIPES not just talmud, is fully in order and on the level, in terms of humanity. 

How much are the value of the coins stolen?  Do they, like gold coins, grow in value over time?

[renfr]

Please someone closes this thread, enough with the BS.

[AT101ET]

QUESTION:  How will 10% of all BTC so far (million+ coins) be valued in comparison to the templar treasure?

So if the market cap of BTC goes to 100 billion, is 10 billion dollars a lot of coins?

So, historical analysis of cointheiving Mammon worshippers of ALL STRIPES not just talmud, is fully in order and on the level, in terms of humanity. 

How much are the value of the coins stolen?  Do they, like gold coins, grow in value over time?

What is with you and this Templar treasure?

[itsunderstood]

Suggest title change OP:

Does Mark Karpeles Have Religious Connections?

Because that's how black markets work: through religions and priests.

Tony Gambino's testimony says plainly that the Archbishop of Palermo controls the heroin trade.  This is basic conspiracy knowledge and truth.

There is collusion between the gangs, but if the conversations get steered by the assheads, there will never be much real talk about real history.

[itsunderstood]

What is with you and this Templar treasure?

Haha wut?

It's not about me, friend.

Anyway, as to the templars, their guy was killed by the Pope, so they got pissed off.  Do you know anything about history at all?  If not, sit quietly and learn.

Or, like all threads that approach true collusion between temporal and real powers, it will be locked.  So be it.  But, I suggest thread retitle by OP to prevent lockage and to further true discussion of true conspiring groups (religious gangsters).

[itsunderstood]

Also, this thread is appropriate to the "Service" forum, because, hookers service people in spite of what the priests tell them.  So, you cannot run a cryptocoin forum without truth, because, crypto (secrecy and code) is what all religions are about.  

religions/gangs/government, are parasites by their nature.  And also one should add:  Vampire familiars will accept their less-than status, why?  Because one day they pray that their vampire owner, will convert them upwardly.  Vampires are very key to understanding the mindset of Mammonists and those who worship gold and coins in general.

But seriously, 10 billion $$$ worth of cryptocoin will call every gangster on Earth, so this is relevant.  Did Gox fail in terms of service?  The only way to answer the question is to ask: What god did gox serve?

[renfr]

What is with you and this Templar treasure?

Haha wut?

It's not about me, friend.

Anyway, as to the templars, their guy was killed by the Pope, so they got pissed off.  Do you know anything about history at all?  If not, sit quietly and learn.

Or, like all threads that approach true collusion between temporal and real powers, it will be locked.  So be it.  But, I suggest thread retitle by OP to prevent lockage and to further true discussion of true conspiring groups (religious gangsters).

No one cares about your bullshit here, this is a bitcoin forum, not a conspiracy forum.
For the moment those who own most of the coins are Satoshi and the feds and none of them are jewish as far as I know.

Also 10 billion dollars worth of cryptos doesn't mean a lot, it would be impossible to sell all these coins at once, the market would be unable to absorb all that.

[itsunderstood]

[...]

For the moment those who own most of the coins are Satoshi and the feds and none of them are jewish as far as I know.

[...]

It's good that you know or don't know things.  That's cool.

But, L. Freeh when he was in charge of the FBI, totally failed to prosecute the Rome gangsters, why?  Because he is connected to them via their organizations.  If you research this one man alone, you will see where the power of the US is fought over.

Everyone agrees that the USA has the power to take SR coins, but not Gox?  Haha, hey, I know my people a little better than that.

Tell me: Which mafia controls the USA better: Rome or Israel?  Haha, no seriously, retitle this thread as per above so I can keep explaining things to you, I am famous for this sort of thing.

[renfr]

[...]

For the moment those who own most of the coins are Satoshi and the feds and none of them are jewish as far as I know.

[...]

It's good that you know or don't know things.  That's cool.

But, L. Freeh when he was in charge of the FBI, totally failed to prosecute the Rome gangsters, why?  Because he is connected to them via their organizations.  If you research this one man alone, you will see where the power of the US is fought over.

Everyone agrees that the USA has the power to take SR coins, but not Gox?  Haha, hey, I know my people a little better than that.

Tell me: Which mafia controls the USA better: Rome or Israel?  Haha, no seriously, retitle this thread as per above so I can keep explaining things to you, I am famous for this sort of thing.

I do think that the USG is behind what is happening to gox, the theory that was exposed on r/bitcoinmarkets looks quite plausible.

Oh and know you're bringing more BS, before the Jews, now Israel. Right, so now you're siding with the terrorists?

[itsunderstood]

Here is truth:

Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky, formed a syndicate between the Rome and Judaist gangs.  That is true historical fact.

But, so many people overlook the part played by Col. Mandell House and his Jesuit tool Woodrow Wilson, who ruined the US money, and ALSO COINED THE 18TH AMENDMENT outlawing booze.

The 18th Amendment, minted BOTH Al Capone era and also the FBI, in the same moment.  When they repealed it, did they repeal the FBI?  Well no, because the FBI is a totally captured pawn right from the git go.  The FBI director's momma, told him she'd rather have a dead son than a flamer, haha, great movie by Leo Dicaprio about Jedgar.  But then when they destroyed all his files after his death?  Hahaha, so obvious.

Anyway, power derives from the US Constitution, and nobody will make me forget that, because I know history, and I know who kills Kings, and I know who killed our Presidents, and I know who steals coins en masse.

Again, suggest thread retitle OP so we can use this forum for truth.  Or, something other than just suckering n00bs into getting their fiat stolen by connected thieve matrix as this.

[itsunderstood]

Here is truth:
[...]

Meyer Lansky

[...]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_Lansky#War_work

War work

In the 1930s, Meyer Lansky and his gang claimed to have stepped outside their usual criminal activities to break up rallies held by the pro-Nazi German-American Bund. Lansky recalled a particular rally in Yorkville, a German neighborhood in Manhattan, that he claimed he and 14 other associates disrupted:

    The stage was decorated with a swastika and a picture of Adolf Hitler. The speakers started ranting. There were only fifteen of us, but we went into action. We threw some of them out the windows. Most of the Nazis panicked and ran out. We chased them and beat them up. We wanted to show them that Jews would not always sit back and accept insults.[8]

During World War II, Lansky was also instrumental in helping the Office of Naval Intelligence's Operation Underworld, in which the government recruited criminals to watch out for German infiltrators and submarine-borne saboteurs.

Shall I mention to you what offices of the US gov were attacked on the morning of 9/11?  Why yes, it was the ONI offices which were decimated by the failures of the USAF on that morning.  It is okay if you can't see history, because the future, and the cryptocoins, are more important.  But like I said: if BTC marketcap goes to 100 billion, and these 10% of coins lost in SR and Gox are out there, their value, will compel all and every gangster.  So, only non-gangsters will then be free from the evil spirits which drive Mammon and gangs of thieves.

The best thieves use lawyers as per the Godfather films, their Irish familiar is their lawyer, he protects them with law.  Faaaaar beyond what protection the common plebes will get from law.

[itsunderstood]

Oh and know you're bringing more BS, before the Jews, now Israel. Right, so now you're siding with the terrorists?

What is this "terrorists" you speak of?

I guess what I am saying, is that gangs, have religion at their core.  All gangsters get absolved by their priests.  So, religion in the end, will be destroyed probably, due to the crimes which they all hide.  I mean Judah, Israel, Rome, all religion is in the crosshairs, and the rage which will come, when their crimes are PURPOSEFULLY exposed, will be great.

So, I do believe in God, and I follow "Jesus" in terms of him overthrowing an evil temple in his day.  But, the movement to destroy religion will come from the youngdumb crowd.  So, the more you encourage stupidity in the forums (shallow talk), the more you are en-dumbing the young, so that they will be disillusioned.

If anything, I think this Gox thing serves to really kick the young early adoptors in the teeth, and yes that does upset me.  But all forums are rife with trolls, both paid and independent, so, you just have to bring a bigger truthhammer.

Using "terror" in any form, even by pressing hellsfire onto the heads of parishners, is evil action.  Also the threat of shunning which many tribes/religions use, is fully antihuman.  Shunning is connected to the concept of "omerta" or bonds of secrecy.

Again, suggest thread retitle so as not to provide the baiters their ammo.  All religions have gangs, esepcially the Orthodox Russians as well, so let's not leave them out of this.  Also, Jacob Schiff sold weapons to Japan which killed Russian Jews.  As he was quoted "We are prepared to make sacrifices"  ...This is a factual quote from him, what does he mean "sacrifice" and "we"??

True history is connected to new ideas, because, the history we have, is the lies which can only live in fog of war.  Humans are waking up to a bigger discussion, oh but where to have it?  LOL

[mmitech]

People have been posting on reddit and IRC that his last name Karpeles is a common French Jewish name. Is that true? If he were raised Jewish, you'd think he'd have better morals.

so now you assume that all Jewish people have correct morals? please stop, we are all humans, there is the good and the bad, no matter from where you come from or what are your believes or what color you are.... we are still human who have different characters and personalities and tolerance....

and claiming that every Jewish has a good morals is just insane, look at what is happening between Israel and Palestine.... not pretty moral right.

[itsunderstood]

Tell me: Which mafia controls the USA better: Rome or Israel? 

[itsunderstood]

Meyer Suchowljansky
BORN: July 4, 1902
LOCATION: Grodno (then in Russian Empire, now in Belarus)

Now in terms of modern Russian gangs, we see their guy Yaponchik, went straight to Berlin when he was released from prison, where he'd spent 8 or so years.  Then, a few years later he is executed by sniper.

Now, in terms of the testimony of Tony Gambino, which is fully available and known, we can understand that there was a consolidation of power, prior to WW1, wherein the middle east got provisioned, and then again WW2 where the new money got coined post-war.

And T. Gambino's testimony before God and all powers temporal and physical, is that "To be a true sicilian like-a me, you have to be 1/3rd sicilian, 1/3rd greek and 1/3rd Jewish"  ...Those are his words [see G. Zymanski interview with Tony Gambino commonly available on the web]

So, to discuss collusion and crime and pawnage of players over 100 year game, is all fully real and on the level.  and no I ain't a Mason, I just like to jerk their chain by using their terms.  Haha.  But seriously, WW3 could happen this year, could be interesting.  Just know: All corporate brands and religions, thrive after and during wars.  Interpol brand and Volkswagon brand, both survived their Nazi years very well, and emerged as global players.  To know their origins, does give one economic power I suppose?

[itsunderstood]

People have been posting on reddit and IRC that his last name Karpeles is a common French Jewish name. Is that true? If he were raised Jewish, you'd think he'd have better morals.

so now you assume that all Jewish people have correct morals? please stop, we are all humans, there is the good and the bad, no matter from where you come from or what are your believes or what color you are.... we are still human who have different characters and personalities and tolerance....

and claiming that every Jewish has a good morals is just insane, look at what is happening between Israel and Palestine.... not pretty moral right.

You are so right, we are all the same: F'd over by debt.

But also yes, OP was trolling, yet, he allows me to broach some good truths.  So, when it comes to forum threads, I always say: "Take it and make it." so, OP gives us sour milk which we can churn into truthbutter.

[redwraith]

Tell me: Which mafia controls the USA better: Rome or Israel? 

I, too, share your view that the world is controlled by psychopathic "gangs", under the cover of religion, so in light of this, what is your opinion of the origin of bitcoin?  Surely, it could not have been released into the wild independent of these gangsters.  Or could it?   Part of me wants to believe that Bitcoin is an attempt to free the "plebes" from debt-ridden fiat, created and released by a genius, altruistic programmer, but the other part of me fears a darker side to it's origin.

[theshazbot]

I don't think people should judge the Jewish people just because of isolated incidents like Bernie Madoff, Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Goldman–Sachs, Mark Karpeles, etc. It's merely coincidence - and there are a lot of Arabs, Indians, Chinese, WASPs, etc. that are in finance too, I think.

[itsunderstood]

Tell me: Which mafia controls the USA better: Rome or Israel?  

I, too, share your view that the world is controlled by psychopathic "gangs", under the cover of religion, so in light of this, what is your opinion of the origin of bitcoin?  Surely, it could not have been released into the wild independent of these gangsters.  Or could it?   Part of me wants to believe that Bitcoin is an attempt to free the "plebes" from debt-ridden fiat, created and released by a genius, altruistic programmer, but the other part of me fears a darker side to it's origin.

Wow, good question.  You are awesome.

My answer is this:  Satoshi and Banksy are probably the same person?  Haha, knowmsayin?

Seriously tho, both give us simple truth, and let humans play with it.  I have to love both of these men.  However, Banksy destroys "art museums", and Satoshi destroys  ... welllll, hmm.

I would also say this:  The COTUS talks of "Specie" which means coins of good worth.  As I have explained elsewheres, in my opinion, cryptocoin blockchain is as good and "non debauched" as a metal coin --BUT I would catch hell from the metals crowd for this, and I have to listen to the metals people, as the world pivots on silver and gold and blood.

Math work done, is as true as bullion --to mathematicians and geeks like me and you.  But, metals power is not populated by math lovers, knowmsayin?  So I see both tribes as having to settle their war, in terms like this:  Math v. Metal, WW4 haha get it?  But Constitutions though they hold metals most high, are more concerned with TRUENESS than of the means of the trueness.  Does that make sense?  The spirit of the COTUS, is in many ways, more correctly fulfilled by cryptocoin, yes, BTC as primary blockchain.

I am suggesting in answer to your question, that trueness of coin, is here tabled as a subject for all your smart people.  Gox/FBI fielded a false BTC coin.  So, this will take at least all of 2014 to really get a handle on.  Hey, thanks for your awesome question, friend.

[itsunderstood]

I don't think people should judge the Jewish people just because of isolated incidents like Bernie Madoff, Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Goldman–Sachs, Mark Karpeles, etc. It's merely coincidence - and there are a lot of Arabs, Indians, Chinese, WASPs, etc. that are in finance too, I think.

Much truth in your words, yes.

In terms of warfare, whom shall we say waged and won the 20th Century as a whole?

In answer I might suggest that it doesn't matter, because this generation here and now, knows little of history, and values it on the same level as that.  So, history has essentially been erased.  And, I would suggest that BTC and cryptocoin blockchains, will actually create a more real sort of history.

Also, I am trying to say that crypto in truth, refers to hiding your true outside, or at least encoding it.  So, to suggest that a BTC forum might be the right place for me to do this sort of truthflow, to me seems as natural as your execllent response.  Yes, you are correct.

[redwraith]

Math work done, is as true as bullion --to mathematicians and geeks like me and you.  But, metals power is not populated by math lovers, knowmsayin?  So I see both tribes as having to settle their war, in terms like this:  Math v. Metal, WW4 haha get it?  But Constitutions though they hold metals most high, are more concerned with TRUENESS than of the means of the trueness.  Does that make sense?  The spirit of the COTUS, is in many ways, more correctly fulfilled by cryptocoin, yes, BTC as primary blockchain.

Ok, so what your saying, and I hadn't really thought of it this way, is that BTC could have been released by a competing faction to the fiat status quo, as an alternative means for expressing "trueness" or power/wealth, that has traditionally always been metals?  We are seeing the beginnings of that battle now and if the math side wins, we are in for a wealth transfer for the ages, it would seem. 

[itsunderstood]

Math work done, is as true as bullion --to mathematicians and geeks like me and you.  But, metals power is not populated by math lovers, knowmsayin?  So I see both tribes as having to settle their war, in terms like this:  Math v. Metal, WW4 haha get it?  But Constitutions though they hold metals most high, are more concerned with TRUENESS than of the means of the trueness.  Does that make sense?  The spirit of the COTUS, is in many ways, more correctly fulfilled by cryptocoin, yes, BTC as primary blockchain.

Ok, so what your saying, and I hadn't really thought of it this way, is that BTC could have been released by a competing faction to the fiat status quo, as an alternative means for expressing "trueness" or power/wealth, that has traditionally always been metals?  We are seeing the beginnings of that battle now and if the math side wins, we are in for a wealth transfer for the ages, it would seem. 

Well, that's kinda where the conspiracy-haters will ding you, because I don't see BTC as a setup, like it might just have been some cool magic idea like flappy bird game, which I never played, but like, the guy shut it down because it was too powerful an idea.

Yes, as you correctly suggest: All fiats are a cartel unto themselves.  And we see the Rockefeller UN cartel moves against the Orthodox Ruble cartel, etc, etc.  So the fiat battlefield, has been united by a big gun, from the "gods", aka some dude named Satoshi.  He suggests a computer-based ring of "trueness". where the nodes agree, all agree, to reject bullshit.  As you say "if the math side wins, we are in for a wealth transfer for the ages, it would seem."  ...It's more a question of which vehicle allows the gangs to steal a bigger bag: Fiat or cryptocoin?  I would say fiat pushes the blade of warfare, so it is more dangerous.  As we can assume geeks and math guys to be peaceful types (not a true assumption but maybe) then prehaps we can assume also that:

1: Geekchain moneybag will be seen as more easily taken by paid cryptothugs?  Are nerds pushovers?  It is a good question to ask in this milieu.

2: In terms of Math v. Iron/Steel/Gold/Silver it is easy to describe the mentality of both sides.  One cannot further the work of Von Braun without both mines and math.

Haha, yes my friend, please give us more of your wisdom. 

[itsunderstood]

OP I am not on reddit, never had any use for it.  Do they bait in this way a lot?  I don't use reddit, but I would view this forum as being more truthy than reddit.  They delte posts and shape their forum along the lines of some dude at the top right?  It seems as controlled to me as Twitter, which I also never have used.

I just pick a thread and weave it, most of my work is unseen, but felt.  I like threads that are baity, because like I said, you can steal them and make truthbutter.

OP, does reddit have "Service" like MTGOX did?  What does "Service" mean anyway, in terms of economies?  OP I just want my work in your bait thread to survive, so let's keep it on topic: Cryptocoin > Economies >Marketplace > Service

In terms of markets, it is the King who doth allow any Market.  So, after Magna Carta, when Parliaments (baronages and royal peers) took over Kingdoms, thn it is the lawyers, who enable all markets.  So, in terms of service, does the law cadre get a passing grade?  It is a fair question.

[Bit_Happy]

Last I heard, a certain Mr. Madoff was also Jewish...

No implications, just stating the facts.

Many of his biggest victims were Jewish too.
...just stating the facts.

[btcusury]

I, too, share your view that the world is controlled by psychopathic "gangs", under the cover of religion, so in light of this, what is your opinion of the origin of bitcoin?  Surely, it could not have been released into the wild independent of these gangsters.  Or could it?   Part of me wants to believe that Bitcoin is an attempt to free the "plebes" from debt-ridden fiat, created and released by a genius, altruistic programmer, but the other part of me fears a darker side to it's origin.

Its decentralized nature necessarily means that it can not be controlled by a central authority (psychopathic gangs), which means that if it was created by a central authority, it would be their biggest mistake since the Internet!

Decentralization means there can be no central control. Therefore, if the system truly is designed to be decentralized (and its open-source nature shows us that it is), then it was not created by control freaks.

Where IS the "darker side" to its origin? I have yet to find any dark side.

I don't think people should judge the Jewish people just because of isolated incidents like Bernie Madoff, Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Goldman–Sachs, Mark Karpeles, etc. It's merely coincidence - and there are a lot of Arabs, Indians, Chinese, WASPs, etc. that are in finance too, I think.

LOL, good one!

[vayvanne]

[...]

I don't think people should judge the Jewish people just because of isolated incidents like Bernie Madoff, Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Goldman–Sachs, Mark Karpeles, etc. It's merely coincidence - and there are a lot of Arabs, Indians, Chinese, WASPs, etc. that are in finance too, I think.

LOL, good one!

Could we add here Jon Montroll and Josh Zerlan?

[bbsilk]

anyone who asks what religion of the person who just did something uncool is generally asking "are they Jewish".

I find it so typical that if you are Jewish, (member of the tribe, not whether they practice their religion) there are many people who want to attribute the poor behavior to "being Jewish".
but I rarely see people asking
Was he Irish?
Was he Palestinian?
Was he Catholic?
Was he Black?

This question is almost always a way to hide Jew hatred.

I never take this type of question seriously, and I will question "theshazbot" motives, until I have good evidence otherwise.

[theshazbot]

This wired article about Mt. Gox Failure says that he spent time in Israel before going to Japan: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/bitcoin-exchange/

[itsunderstood]

Was he Irish?
Was he Palestinian?
Was he Catholic?
Was he Black?

^^^ Not typically cultures obsessed with coins, tho.  Well, Palestine uses shekels or do they have their own money??

Catholic tho is not the same, they tithe and do not know the babylon talmud.  I myself am a n00b at talmud but enjoy reading it.

[caston]

I posted a topic on reddit that MK will escape Japan and go to Israel.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MtGox/comments/1ziob0/mark_karpeles_will_seek_safety_in_israel/

[theshazbot]

I posted a topic on reddit that MK will escape Japan and go to Israel.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MtGox/comments/1ziob0/mark_karpeles_will_seek_safety_in_israel/

it would not surprise me whatsoever.

[hdbuck]

search for "mark karpeles dijon" in pdf...

->http://dspace.lafayette.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10385/845/Weiner-SupplementtoanUncertainFutureII-2013.pdf?sequence=4

Judeo-Christian Friendship
Sister Odile’s Conference: The Language of Anti-Semitism
Karpeles, Mark. "Amitié judéo-chrétienne. Conférence de Sœur Odile: Le langage de l’antisémitisme." Mazal Tov 39 (2006): 23.

I have been subjected to anti-Semitism since my birth. And not only me. My parents, my family,
my friends, my cousins, people that I love, people that I don’t love, and even people in general,
people that I have never met or I have simply come across by chance. This long list and the
frequent cases of anti-Semitism have convinced me that anti-Semitism is feebleminded and to an
extent even ridiculous.
I could not possibly take Hitler seriously.
Sister Odile gave a long, detailed overview of anti-Judaism throughout the ages, with all
its different names: anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, negationism. She underlined the different
connotations of these names from a religious and racial point of view and also as a means of
denying responsibility.
Sister Odile demonstrated extraordinary erudition, comprehensive, profound, and
extensive. Her expression consists of clear thoughts and simple language, which can inform
everyone about an unbelievable number of events, all presented in a clear way.
I personally knew about most of those events, but their juxtaposition and arrangement
presented a totally different picture of the puzzle, much more comprehensive than the one
presented by the small separate pieces.
It captured the big picture in its totality!
I have realized that the anti-Semites are fooled into believing such things, but I’m far
from thinking but I hardly thought that their foolishness and aberration could go to such an
extent: the disdain and disavowal of the Jewish origins of Jesus, who was himself a Rabbi, are
really stupefying. The treatment that Marie has to endure is no better. Poor Mayane! Poor
Myriam!
Moreover, she has to suffer a temporal distortion because some people call her “The
daughter of Palestine” even though Palestine didn’t exist until a century later; instead it existed
as a Roman province before becoming a Turkish province, under the name Division of Gaza (the
name Palestine was revived by mistake by the English in the 20th century, as part of their
imperialist acts.)
I was scandalized by the number of linguistic errors, completely ignorant of Judaism, and
a pejorative tone used to multiply the textual mistranslations of the Torah and the Gospels:
- “Misery to the Philistines!” instead of “The Miserable Philistines!”
- Introduction of the adjective “perfidious.”
- Transformation of the word “keren” (loop, beam, crown) into “horn” so that horned
Moses evokes a satanic figure.
Above all, I have learned that anti-Semitism was born the same moment as was
monotheism. This helped me find the answer to the question that I have always asked: “Why
anti-Semitism?”
If anti-Semitism came into being at the same time as monotheism, namely in the moment
when the Alliance between God and the Jews was concluded, then it is the response of the Evil
Forces to this Covenant.
Anti-Semitism is the response of Evil Forces to the Alliance between God and Man.
Indeed it has all the characteristics of evil: stupidity, absurdity, and defeat!
The Forces of Evil use anti-Semitism in their attempt to destroy the Covenant between
God and Man.

Mark Karpeles

edit: also : https://web.archive.org/web/20090313082559/http://blog.magicaltux.net/

Gaza, Israël and all those things you hear on news
January 14th, 2009
If you’re reading this blog, you probably also read news, and maybe you were there when I first talked about Gaza, Israël, and all those things you hear or read on the news.

So, you know the conflict is back, is now labelled as a war, and is going nicely since December 27th. Gaza keeps firing rockets and mortar on Israël, and Israël’s army keeps advancing in Gaza with the goal of stopping attacks.

Today, the number of casualties reached the value of 1000 death in Gaza (while it’s still written that this number is not confirmed by any external source, it still seems plausible).

Ok, so now I’ll provide answers for five questions I hear everyday, I’ll try to stay as impartial as possible, but since I have friends in Israël and I lived there for a few months, I might not be totally impartial. I’m warning you now, so you know in advance, and read this document while you know about this.

Israël is killing, and keeps killing civilians, while Gaza/Hamas killed mostly military men.
Technically, attacks against Israël is not done by an army, so attacking those people means you’ll end killing “civilians”. They are usually labelled “terrorists”, however you might want to think that the children/women killed were not all terrorists. You are probably right, but still again, when you have civilian-looking terrorists hiding in a civilian-looking place, it becomes quite tricky.
Now, the amount of casualties is pretty high, while it seems attacks against Israël didn’t fall, so I believe lots of blood have been wasted there.
Who is winning the war?
In recent wars, the one who “wins” as you could think, is the one who gets attacked. As long as Israël is getting hit from Gaza, it can say there are “bad boys” there that needs to be punished, and keep attacking. The same is also true in the other side, as long as Gaza keeps being attacked by Israël, Hamas can continue firing rockets.
The next point is making this sound better. You need quite a lot of marketting to make you looks like “the good guy” in a war. For now I’d say that Hamas looks like the “bad guy” because of previous marketting (labelled as a “terror organisation”, etc) while Israël started an all-out war, then gave some “bits” to show they are the “good guys”.
Now, everything depends on your definition of “winning a war”, however nowaday, “winning a war” meaning having most other countries recognizing you as the winner.
Why is the political pressure on Israël to stop the war having no effect?
The fact USA is not following is having a strong impact against any attempt to stop the war. Hamas also showed they don’t want to stop the war at all costs by refusing the cease fire proposed one week earlier. I’ve also read in a previous article from BBC News that Hamas was “about to win the war”, and just needed a few more days.
How could Hamas win the war?
I personally believe the only way for Hamas to win against Israël’s well-trained army is to stop firing rockets. Any other kind of threat will cause a strong international reaction, and probably the apparition of other armies (I’m looking at America right now).
If Hamas stops rocket firing, Israël’s army will have no more a valid reason for killing civilians, and will have to fall back and explain all deaths since the conflict started. Arrived at this point, rocket/mortar firing can resume for a few months before another military operation will be possible.
Of course, that would require for Hamas to be able to pass orders, and its followers to accept such order. I don’t know how they are organised, but this kind of order is usually hard to accept.
How could Israël win the war?
A war against an ideology is not something you can win easily. I’m not even sure you can win at all.
If you exterminate anyone following the ideoligy, you’ll be a “bad guy”. If you don’t, they’ll still taunt you.
Currently, Israël seems to be taking the “average” route, by attacking “all out”, then opening things like a daily truce of a few hours, etc… They are maintaining publicity for the military operations this way, and keep attacking to try to demotivate attackers. While this will have an effect on most people attacking Israël, it’ll still have the reverse effect on some of them, who will begin/continue firing rockets and running operations against Israël.
So, are you saying this war has no permanent way of ending?

If you see any viable long-term option for this conflict, speak it out. I believe if an easy solution existed, it would already be found and applied, however things are not that easy.
Let’s remember that Israël is a country initially imposed on existing countries of the area in 1947 and declared its independence on May 14, 1948.
Of course, if at some point someone else told you you will have to share your hourse with someone else, you wouldn’t be really happy. That was the case for the countries located at the place which became the first Jewish state, and they showed it. In return Israël also attacked, and won more territories than initially planned.

Since those conflicts are barely 50 years old (and not all), the place is quite unstable, and wars are easily started. Everyone has a reason for fighting, however the context has changed. How your country is seen by other countries became important for international market, and as I previously said, the winner will be chosen for its marketting effort. Even countries like Notrth Korea did some (temporary) efforts to fix the way they were seen by other countries and try to resume commercial exchange with their neighbors.

bullish?! 

[btcusury]

Wow, so Mark Karpeles IS a Jew (i.e. defines himself as such).

Above all, I have learned that anti-Semitism was born the same moment as was
monotheism. This helped me find the answer to the question that I have always asked: “Why
anti-Semitism?”
If anti-Semitism came into being at the same time as monotheism, namely in the moment
when the Alliance between God and the Jews was concluded, then it is the response of the Evil
Forces to this Covenant.
Anti-Semitism is the response of Evil Forces to the Alliance between God and Man.
Indeed it has all the characteristics of evil: stupidity, absurdity, and defeat!
The Forces of Evil use anti-Semitism in their attempt to destroy the Covenant between
God and Man.

Mark Karpeles

Here he uses the term "Man" to refer to the Jews. This is the mainsteam-rabbinical (Talmudic) interpretation of the Pentateuch that sees the Jews as men and the Gentiles/Goyim as less than human.

Like a troublemaking drunkard being kicked out of every bar in town, Karpeles wonders what is wrong with "the others" (the "anti-Semites"), never wondering if the problem might be closer to home.

"Why anti-Semitism", Mark? Because of chosenness envy, or because of detrimental Jewish behavior? Myth or reality? Hmmm....

[leopard2]

Should jews not be good businessmen? Only beaten by Ferenghi?

This guy was a horrible businessman! Unless of course .....

[renfr]

Please someone closes this thread.
It only attracts antisemite filth and it's just filled with antisemitic shill propaganda.

[itsunderstood]

It only attracts antisemite filth and it's just filled with antisemitic shill propaganda.

How is it propaganda when in Mark's very own words, there is a clear connection between God & the Jews vs. the Gentiles? Can't you see that he has no remorse by his actions over the last month? He feels actually justified, casual, and care-free that whole time. Very selfish, narcissistic, and greedy (especially how he kept incoming deposits open after early Feb).

I'm sorry but Bernie Madoff, Lehman/Goldman Brothers, Mark Karpeles, etc – correlation doesn't mean causation, but there's something to be said about these negative stereotypes.

Stereotypes can be true for valid reasons – but Western society has basically vilified all of it to its own detriment. You can't even say that the NBA is dominated by black people for fear of being offensive.

I agree, this is epic stuff.

Let us keep the thread about coins and debt, those are not "semetic" topics, so knowledge haters stfu.

[renfr]

It only attracts antisemite filth and it's just filled with antisemitic shill propaganda.

How is it propaganda when in Mark's very own words, there is a clear connection between God & the Jews vs. the Gentiles? Can't you see that he has no remorse by his actions over the last month? He feels actually justified, casual, and care-free that whole time. Very selfish, narcissistic, and greedy (especially how he kept incoming deposits open after early Feb).

I'm sorry but Bernie Madoff, Lehman/Goldman Brothers, Mark Karpeles, etc – correlation doesn't mean causation, but there's something to be said about these negative stereotypes.

Stereotypes can be true for valid reasons – but Western society has basically vilified all of it to its own detriment. You can't even say that the NBA is dominated by black people for fear of being offensive.

I agree, this is epic stuff.

Let us keep the thread about coins and debt, those are not "semetic" topics, so knowledge haters stfu.

Knowledge haters? I rather call that UN-knowledge.
Just because he is jewish and he may have stolen the coins doesn't make your lies about jews true.
You'll find thieves everywhere, among jews and goyim, in fact there are more goyim thieves than jewish thieves...
The only thing this threads keeps doing is attracting conspiracy shills like you.

It only attracts antisemite filth and it's just filled with antisemitic shill propaganda.

How is it propaganda when in Mark's very own words, there is a clear connection between God & the Jews vs. the Gentiles? Can't you see that he has no remorse by his actions over the last month? He feels actually justified, casual, and care-free that whole time. Very selfish, narcissistic, and greedy (especially how he kept incoming deposits open after early Feb).

I'm sorry but Bernie Madoff, Lehman/Goldman Brothers, Mark Karpeles, etc – correlation doesn't mean causation, but there's something to be said about these negative stereotypes.

Stereotypes can be true for valid reasons – but Western society has basically vilified all of it to its own detriment. You can't even say that the NBA is dominated by black people for fear of being offensive.

Care-free? How do you know that? Do you know him personally?
When you gain a lot of weight because of extreme stress I can't call that being care-free. The guy sounded pretty disturbed at the press conference as well. He's just incompetent that's all and that has nothing to do with him being jewish.

Your argument is wrong, the fact that the NBA is dominated by blacks is real. The fact that jews are thieves and have no remorse is just idiotic fallacy. There are 13 million jews and some are probably thieves but that doesn't make all jews thieves.

In fact, jewish people is a fundamentally virtuous people, you are only emphasizing on some thieves to justify your propaganda.

[btcusury]

Just because he is jewish and he may have stolen the coins doesn't make your lies about jews true.
You'll find thieves everywhere, among jews and goyim, in fact there are more goyim thieves than jewish thieves...

Absolutely speaking, yes. Relatively speaking, no. But you say observations are "lies" yet at the same time refer to non-Jews as goyim, how nice of you.

In fact, jewish people is a fundamentally virtuous people, you are only emphasizing on some thieves to justify your propaganda.

Jews are somehow "fundamentally virtuous", but you don't extend that appreciation to all humans. Why is that?

[renfr]

Just because he is jewish and he may have stolen the coins doesn't make your lies about jews true.
You'll find thieves everywhere, among jews and goyim, in fact there are more goyim thieves than jewish thieves...

Absolutely speaking, yes. Relatively speaking, no. But you say observations are "lies" yet at the same time refer to non-Jews as goyim, how nice of you.

In fact, jewish people is a fundamentally virtuous people, you are only emphasizing on some thieves to justify your propaganda.

Jews are somehow "fundamentally virtuous", but you don't extend that appreciation to all humans. Why is that?

Goyim is not an insult, those who say it is are just spreading conspiracy nut propaganda. Inform yourself about its meaning, it's not insulting at all.
Jews are also in some sort goyim too if you look at it, at least in biblical texts it is, it's just that now it's mostly used to refer to non-jews.

Why do you care so much about that last sentence? If I said "X are fundamentally virtuous" you wouldn't come up with it, however when X becomes Jews you immediatly come up saying this isn't right.
No this is right, it's just your mind who isn't right. Not because Jews are fundamentally virtuous that goyim are not.

[btcusury]

Many rabbis and atheistic Jews alike refer to non-Jews as "goyim" (the nations, the non-Chosen) in a derogatory way. There are countless examples in Israeli newspapers. That's not to say that all Jews use the term derogatorily, but I do get the impression that you do.

You said that Jews are "fundamentally virtuous", which implies that certain other groups of people are not fundamentally virtuous (because you believe that there is some kind of inherent evil in the "anti-Semites"). It means you are defining yourself as a Jew first and a human being second. It should be the other way around. The way I would have expressed such an idea is to say that humans are fundamentally virtuous. That you miss this point is indicative of a mental pathogen, of which chosenness (a sense of superiority based on the idea of being "God's chosen people") is just one.

[renfr]

Many rabbis and atheistic Jews alike refer to non-Jews as "goyim" (the nations, the non-Chosen) in a derogatory way. There are countless examples in Israeli newspapers. That's not to say that all Jews use the term derogatorily, but I do get the impression that you do.

You said that Jews are "fundamentally virtuous", which implies that certain other groups of people are not fundamentally virtuous (because you believe that there is some kind of inherent evil in the "anti-Semites"). It means you are defining yourself as a Jew first and a human being second. It should be the other way around. The way I would have expressed such an idea is to say that humans are fundamentally virtuous. That you miss this point is indicative of a mental pathogen, of which chosenness (a sense of superiority based on the idea of being "God's chosen people") is just one.

It does not imply that they are not fundamentally virtuous, it's all in your head.
Antisemites are inherently evil obviously, but this is concerning antisemites only not all goyim.
Also, not all antisemites are goyim (in the modern sense), some antisemites are in fact jewish and there are many of them sadly.
There are +7000 of them listed on Masada2000 : http://archive.is/f64hb#selection-137.0-145.0


A common myth spread by antisemites is what you just said at the end, Jews are G.od's chosen people, yes that is true, but not chosen in the sense that Jews are superior, chosen in the sense that Jews were chosen to convey the message of G.od. It's more of a duty for Jews than an attribute.

[silvermario]

Care-free? How do you know that? Do you know him personally?
When you gain a lot of weight because of extreme stress I can't call that being care-free. The guy sounded pretty disturbed at the press conference as well. He's just incompetent that's all and that has nothing to do with him being jewish.

You don't need to know somebody personally to have a view on him, you can jugde by his actions.

You obviously haven't read how a fucked up personality Mark Karpeles has: http://www.dailytech.com/Bitcoin+King+Mt+Gox+CEO+Mark+Karpels+History+of+Arrests+Firings/article34442.htm

He was dishonest, can lie in your face without a blink of an eye, has scammed others in the past for tens thousands of dollars, has been arrested for criminal charges.
He was fired multiple times by his employers, he was lazy, unprofessional, overconfident egomaniac.

In many ways Mr. Karpelès appeared to care more for animals than humans.

His attitude towards employers, employees, and humans in general appeared over cold and callous at times.  He seemed to have little compunction with lying to the face of supervisors (according to reprimand letters and various sources) and was unsympathetic enough to crack a small grin despite his Bitcoin investors' woes.

Before meeting his wife, his only consistent friend and companion over the years was Tibane, a white and orange tabby cat.
 
Mr. Karpelès' love for the cat was so abundant that when he founded his Japanese company (which would eventually go on to purchase Mt. Gox) he would name it after his pet, adding an 'n' to mildly disguise this interesting fact.

[hdbuck]

Care-free? How do you know that? Do you know him personally?
When you gain a lot of weight because of extreme stress I can't call that being care-free. The guy sounded pretty disturbed at the press conference as well. He's just incompetent that's all and that has nothing to do with him being jewish.

dont think stress or compassion has anything to do with him gaining weight:

-> http://image-uniservice.copainsdavant.com/image/450/3/3921291587/4138528.jpg

 

edit: @silvermario +1 - the guy's a maniac  

[vayvanne]

[...]
It's more of a duty for Jews than an attribute.

Duty of what? Why not then some bankers would not help to brother by duty Karpeles escape this situation with bankruptcy?
I am sure that 500m is not a life-or-death amount for them. I supposed that topic starters intention was in this context than to give another name to this guy?
They will not do that never as many of them are used to close their debts with taxpayers money and they are staying bankers, but in bitcoin community it does not work. We see that thief is still being thief regardless will Karpeles be punished legally or not.

[leopard2]

Goyim is not an insult, those who say it is are just spreading conspiracy nut propaganda. Inform yourself about its meaning, it's not insulting at all.
Jews are also in some sort goyim too if you look at it, at least in biblical texts it is, it's just that now it's mostly used to refer to non-jews.

That seems to be true. I learned something today.

Still M.K. is not giving your people a good name. Virtuosity in the sense of Mendelssohn-Bartholdy is a good thing, the virtuosity of a scam artist not so much.

[Bit_Happy]

Mark Karpeles is a criminal and it doesn't matter if he's Jewish [seriously]

[btcusury]

Many rabbis and atheistic Jews alike refer to non-Jews as "goyim" (the nations, the non-Chosen) in a derogatory way. There are countless examples in Israeli newspapers. That's not to say that all Jews use the term derogatorily, but I do get the impression that you do.

You said that Jews are "fundamentally virtuous", which implies that certain other groups of people are not fundamentally virtuous (because you believe that there is some kind of inherent evil in the "anti-Semites"). It means you are defining yourself as a Jew first and a human being second. It should be the other way around. The way I would have expressed such an idea is to say that humans are fundamentally virtuous. That you miss this point is indicative of a mental pathogen, of which chosenness (a sense of superiority based on the idea of being "God's chosen people") is just one.

It does not imply that they are not fundamentally virtuous, it's all in your head.
Antisemites are inherently evil obviously, but this is concerning antisemites only not all goyim.
Also, not all antisemites are goyim (in the modern sense), some antisemites are in fact jewish and there are many of them sadly.
There are +7000 of them listed on Masada2000 : http://archive.is/f64hb#selection-137.0-145.0

A common myth spread by antisemites is what you just said at the end, Jews are G.od's chosen people, yes that is true, but not chosen in the sense that Jews are superior, chosen in the sense that Jews were chosen to convey the message of G.od. It's more of a duty for Jews than an attribute.

Your "self-hating Jews" list is really a list of decent human beings who decided they are human beings first and Jews second (or not Jews at all). I'm not surprised you'd cite that vehemently Jewish supremacist "masada2000" site. Ask the Jews behind that site if they feel that Jews are superior "in essence" to non-Jews due to being God's chosen people. Or ask sephardic leader rabbi Ovadia Joseph. It's both an attribute and a duty, nice false dichotomy fallacy.

"Antisemites are inherently evil obviously"? I suppose it's as obvious to you as it was obvious to the Nazis that "Jews are inherently evil obviously"...

Goyim is not an insult, those who say it is are just spreading conspiracy nut propaganda. Inform yourself about its meaning, it's not insulting at all.
Jews are also in some sort goyim too if you look at it, at least in biblical texts it is, it's just that now it's mostly used to refer to non-jews.

That seems to be true. I learned something today.

It isn't. He wants you to accept the definition given by those with an agenda to protect the image of their religion and "the Jewish people", rather than the definition used by Jewish religious leaders.

[renfr]

Many rabbis and atheistic Jews alike refer to non-Jews as "goyim" (the nations, the non-Chosen) in a derogatory way. There are countless examples in Israeli newspapers. That's not to say that all Jews use the term derogatorily, but I do get the impression that you do.

You said that Jews are "fundamentally virtuous", which implies that certain other groups of people are not fundamentally virtuous (because you believe that there is some kind of inherent evil in the "anti-Semites"). It means you are defining yourself as a Jew first and a human being second. It should be the other way around. The way I would have expressed such an idea is to say that humans are fundamentally virtuous. That you miss this point is indicative of a mental pathogen, of which chosenness (a sense of superiority based on the idea of being "God's chosen people") is just one.

It does not imply that they are not fundamentally virtuous, it's all in your head.
Antisemites are inherently evil obviously, but this is concerning antisemites only not all goyim.
Also, not all antisemites are goyim (in the modern sense), some antisemites are in fact jewish and there are many of them sadly.
There are +7000 of them listed on Masada2000 : http://archive.is/f64hb#selection-137.0-145.0

A common myth spread by antisemites is what you just said at the end, Jews are G.od's chosen people, yes that is true, but not chosen in the sense that Jews are superior, chosen in the sense that Jews were chosen to convey the message of G.od. It's more of a duty for Jews than an attribute.

Your "self-hating Jews" list is really a list of decent human beings who decided they are human beings first and Jews second (or not Jews at all). I'm not surprised you'd cite that vehemently Jewish supremacist "masada2000" site. Ask the Jews behind that site if they feel that Jews are superior "in essence" to non-Jews due to being God's chosen people. Or ask sephardic leader rabbi Ovadia Joseph. It's both an attribute and a duty, nice false dichotomy fallacy.

"Antisemites are inherently evil obviously"? I suppose it's as obvious to you as it was obvious to the Nazis that "Jews are inherently evil obviously"...

Goyim is not an insult, those who say it is are just spreading conspiracy nut propaganda. Inform yourself about its meaning, it's not insulting at all.
Jews are also in some sort goyim too if you look at it, at least in biblical texts it is, it's just that now it's mostly used to refer to non-jews.

That seems to be true. I learned something today.

It isn't. He wants you to accept the definition given by those with an agenda to protect the image of their religion and "the Jewish people", rather than the definition used by Jewish religious leaders.

Decent human beings? These are antisemites, worse than that is that they are themselves Jewish!
Masada2000 is not jewish supremacist at all, what do you even mean by supremacy? There's no jewish supremacy at all.
You have a misknowledge of what chosen people means, chosen people doesn't mean superior, it's all in your head that was brainwashed by antisemitic propaganda.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (RIP) has his own opinions, I understand it was a bit contradictory to say that "gentiles are here to serve Jews" and what he said about the holocaust but you're just quoting the quotes that has most interest to you, everyone sometimes have controversial speeches, it happens but I understand you, antisemites will only exacerbate the bad things and ignore the good things or else it would be counterproductive to your cause.
AFAIK, the rest of what he said is totally true so unless you're an ostrich you cannot deny this.

The rest of your argument is pure non-sequitur fallacy, you are comparing "antisemitism" and "fight against antisemitism", saying antisemitism is inherently evil is more than true, it's an established fact.
Saying like the nazis did that the Jews are inherently evil is an obvious lie and is a call to hatred on a whole people. You can't compare the fight of a people for their integrity and hatred of a whole people for insane reasons.

[leopard2]

Adolf was as competent as a commander, as Mark was as a businessman.

Otherwise we wouldn't be in this thread   

[itsunderstood]

Adolf was as competent as a commander, as Mark was as a businessman.

Otherwise we wouldn't be in this thread  

Adolf Shicklegruber was an Sabbatean marcher lord.  Research his childhood an the Sabbatean rituals.  I am not saying the Sabbateans and Zevi/Frankists are pure evil, only that they themselvesa are formed by the thing against which they fought.

One's enemy, is what sculpts one.  So, the person above who cannot tell the difference between Moses and talmud, is just as they should be.  To merge Moses and talmud, has always been the goal of the Sabbteans.  But I myself have most apprecaited Rabbi Marvin-Antelman's book  [ http://www.amazon.com/To-eliminate-opiate-Marvin-Antelman/dp/B0006CGV32 ] work "To Eliminate the Opiate" which is not semetic at all, it's just a rabbi discussing how other false rabbi/mullah/bishops use false fronts to destroy all religions, in order to usher in super-Platonism, which would be the "Paradise new system" after the ultimate holocausting of "Armageddon".

I myself remain firmly against Armageddon and those who would try to bring it about.  It is an abhorrent idea.  But anyway, it is good to stick to the facts, not polarizing as some do in this thread.  Moses is ntohing to do with talmud, in fact, his enemies were the talmudic priests, which is why his spiritual and temporal son Jesus acted just as Moses did in his day, shaming the priests.

If your religion is based on priests/bishops/rabbi/mullahs then you place faith in other men.  I think that's the biggest lesson of MK and Gox, regardless of his training and parenting and alliances.  He himself is part of alliances and as you can read above, he has some wrong but deep conceptions of Moses.  So, despite some people here who are too touchy, I think Mark's own opinions make this a viable thread.  

Also, the talmud tacitly says that profit and debt are preferable to mercy.  That is why Jesus said "Love" was a NEW commandment.  Because they were being so politically righteous yet unloving.  Jesus is saying to them that love was no part of their behavior, just as it is no part of this world.

[hdbuck]

How come *some people *still firmly believe that killing Jesus was right? Thats serious fucked up shit.
They killed the Messiah and have to live with it as well as the golden icons they chose over universal Love.
Whats coming next is the the Antechrist, not another Messiah. fools.  

[itsunderstood]

How come *some people *still firmly believe that killing Jesus was right? Thats serious fucked up shit.
They killed the Messiah and have to live with it as well as the golden icons they chose over universal Love.
Whats coming next is the the Antechrist, not another Messiah. fools.  

The Ferengi can never understand the humans.  Profit is not humanity's God.  But it is the God of Earth, much to it's downfall.  Anyway, discussing Mark's ideas about Moses as stated above, should prove most rewarding.

[btcusury]

You can't compare the fight of a people for their integrity and hatred of a whole people for insane reasons.

What I'm saying to you -- and this is the only point worth continuing on -- is that what you call "antisemitism" isn't a mysterious, irrational, insane hatred for "a whole people", in the same way that a drunkard who is kicked out of every bar in town isn't hated for some mysterious, irrational, insane reason. Obviously, Jewish behavior is the cause of your precious "antisemitism".

You are seeing the "antisemites" -- which I presume would include me -- as irrational, insane, "obviously inherently evil", and I'm pointing out to you that this is exactly how you believe the Nazis saw the Jews.

It is the supremacist masada Jews -- and apparently yourself -- who are irrational and insane. You didn't condemn the hate of one of the most openly racist Jewish leaders, which proves my point. You only do what is "good for the Jews"... which is that behavior that I keep referring to.

Adolf Shicklegruber was an Sabbatean marcher lord.  Research his childhood an the Sabbatean rituals.  I am not saying the Sabbateans and Zevi/Frankists are pure evil, only that they themselvesa are formed by the thing against which they fought.

The evidence for Alois Schicklgruber being Jewish is inconclusive (and I'd say improbable), and the evidence of a Sabbatean line is, AFAIK, non-existent.


But to stay on topic...

Wow, so Mark Karpeles IS a Jew (i.e. defines himself as such).

Above all, I have learned that anti-Semitism was born the same moment as was
monotheism. This helped me find the answer to the question that I have always asked: “Why
anti-Semitism?”
If anti-Semitism came into being at the same time as monotheism, namely in the moment
when the Alliance between God and the Jews was concluded, then it is the response of the Evil
Forces to this Covenant.
Anti-Semitism is the response of Evil Forces to the Alliance between God and Man.
Indeed it has all the characteristics of evil: stupidity, absurdity, and defeat!
The Forces of Evil use anti-Semitism in their attempt to destroy the Covenant between
God and Man.

Mark Karpeles

Here he uses the term "Man" to refer to the Jews. This is the mainsteam-rabbinical (Talmudic) interpretation of the Pentateuch that sees the Jews as men and the Gentiles/Goyim as less than human.

Like a troublemaking drunkard being kicked out of every bar in town, Karpeles wonders what is wrong with "the others" (the "anti-Semites"), never wondering if the problem might be closer to home.

"Why anti-Semitism", Mark? Because of chosenness envy, or because of detrimental Jewish behavior? Myth or reality? Hmmm....

Assuming that Mark Karpeles really did write this (and that it's correctly translated, if it's a translation), then Karpeles appears to be a proud member of the tribe. It's contextually obvious that he refers to the Jews as "Man", which implies that non-Jews are "less than human". Whether he's aware of the implications of his religious nonsense is another question though.

Why are Karpeles and renfr always asking themselves "why anti-Semitism" without actually seeking a real answer? Could it be because it gives them a sense of superiority over "the other" (i.e. the insane, inherently evil, irrational "anti-Semites")? Karpeles' answer is of course highly irrational and insane, and renfr's answer seems to be non-existent.

[itsunderstood]

Mmm, one would also have to say that if anyone is Semetic, it is the people of Palestine, and I am no lover of Mohammed of course.  But also the Copts were the first Christians, again: semetic peoples were the first followers of Jesus.  So, the usurpation of the whole meme of "semetic" itself and also as a phoneme, a word, seems to call to a larger religious sector of persons imo.

[btcusury]

Yes, the invention/use/usurpation of the word is ridiculous on multiple levels. It's an etymologically preposterous meme, yet it has this amazing controlling power to it. In the US in particular, it has become one of the most powerful and feared words. Top-rated anchors and show hosts are fired for so much as hinting to Jewish control of the media. If the hint is detected, someone will throw out an accusation of "anti-Semitism", which usually results in job loss, with freedom of speech given no relevance. No other word has this power.

[renfr]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

[hdbuck]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

[renfr]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

[hdbuck]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

so much for the luv.  

[renfr]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

so much for the luv. 

Sorry but no mercy for people who spit on more than six million deathes.

[hdbuck]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

so much for the luv.  

Sorry but no mercy for people who spit on more than six million deathes.

oh this is getting interesting:
where is it that i had spit on anything like that?!

[renfr]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

so much for the luv.  

Sorry but no mercy for people who spit on more than six million deathes.

oh this is getting interesting:
where is it that i had spit on anything like that?!

Not you in particular.
Still you have spewed out antisemitic bias, claiming that Jews killed Jesus which we all know is utterly false and just a myth spread by antisemitic fanatics like you.
If you still believe that then either you have an agenda (you are a shill) or either you are completely brainwashed by their propaganda.

[hdbuck]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

so much for the luv.  

Sorry but no mercy for people who spit on more than six million deathes.

oh this is getting interesting:
where is it that i had spit on anything like that?!

Not you in particular.
Still you have spewed out antisemitic bias, claiming that Jews killed Jesus which we all know is utterly false and just a myth  spread by antisemitic fanatics like you.
If you still believe that then either you have an agenda (you are a shill) or either you are completely brainwashed by their propaganda.

Can't believe i'm actually having this conversation.
Please chill down. No one here wants to hurt you or your fellas.

edit: I don't either, I just wish everybody on Earth could live in Peace, stop making lists, stop counting points, and gather as the only thing above anything else: Humans.

[OhShei8e]

People have been posting on reddit and IRC that his last name Karpeles is a common French Jewish name. Is that true? If he were raised Jewish, you'd think he'd have better morals.

Every second person has so called 'Jews' in his ancestry. This is a ridiculous discussion. Names are smoke and mirrors.

To Mark Karpeles I would have completely different questions. 

We do not need these anti-semitic nonsense here.

[btcusury]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

Thank you for proving exactly what I'm saying. You are a violent thug who feels entitled to something that others don't, just because you are a Jew.

[MrPiggles]

I'm part jewish, and i am honestly embarrassed by the people who cry anti-semitism constantly.

Not every criticism of a jew is anti semitism.


inb4 I'm a self hating jew accusations

[OhShei8e]

In your own words:

criticism of a jew

because he or she is a jew

is anti semitism.

In other words: The ancestry of a person is irrelevant and therefore plays no role in our legal system. The situation was different in the Third Reich, but that is thankfully history.

greetings from
Germany

[itsunderstood]

renf you are so lost and silly, that you need this post.

1: It is exposed by Jim Stone who used to work for the NSA, that the mafias of Japan and Israel formed an alliance around 2009.  This allowed the Israel Magna camera to be installed at Fukishima.  This camera was actually a gun type nuke which blew up Fukishima Daichi.  Israel holds Japan's choke chain.  SEE: www.jimstonefreelance.com

2: The "six million" figure is totally grabbed from the mystical hat of kabbalah, and existed long long before they tried to fit that number to the WW2 deaths.  Maybe you are fully stupid, and d not know that "holocaust" means burnt offering?  I suppose you are also too lazy to research how far before WW2 the "six million" number is used by the holocausters long before WW2, they had that number in mind for occult purposes.

3: The plain fact is that Hitler/Shicklegruber was a Sabbatean Marcher Lord for the UKZionists, one of whom was Kaiser himself who visited Israel long before Shicklegruber populated it for the Zionists that he worked for.  FACE FACTS: Without Hitler and Himmler, you would have no State of Israel.  That is who founded it, got war reparations from Germany, etc.

renf, please do keep posting, because it is fun to have an example like you, empty skull but mouth full of bile.  Anyway, like I said, everyone who is informed, know that the Israel mafia holds Japan by the throat and they will blow up more nuke plants if they need to.  That is the reason Japan shut ALL nuke plants down for a while.  Isn't that odd?  It had nothing to do with the GE Fukishima plant being able to spontaneously explode, that's a bullshit cover story.

If true facts of conspiracy between nations and true facts about collaboration between Rome and the rabbis is upsetting to you, your only choice is to burn hotter in anger.  Nobody denies that Judaists died in WW2, but it is you who needs the data to fit your mind.  You cannot alter the past but you ignore it at your peril.

[renfr]

I'm part jewish, and i am honestly embarrassed by the people who cry anti-semitism constantly.

Not every criticism of a jew is anti semitism.


inb4 I'm a self hating jew accusations

Funny how you say "inb4" because you're proving yourself that you consider you could be a self hating Jew and so are you it seems.
Really I will never understand people like you, goyim antisemites sure are insane and mentally ill but what are Jewish antisemites? It is beyond mental illness I think, the existence of people like you is aberrant and you must really feel bad to hate yourself, your own family, your own community and what you are.

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

Thank you for proving exactly what I'm saying. You are a violent thug who feels entitled to something that others don't, just because you are a Jew.

So now fighting antisemitism is being violent?
How do you respond if someone attacks you?
You prove my point, antisemites can only sustain their ideology through lie and deceit.
Now they turn the situation around, antisemites are nice fellows and those who denounce antisemitism are violent and dangerous.

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

so much for the luv.  

Sorry but no mercy for people who spit on more than six million deathes.

oh this is getting interesting:
where is it that i had spit on anything like that?!

Not you in particular.
Still you have spewed out antisemitic bias, claiming that Jews killed Jesus which we all know is utterly false and just a myth  spread by antisemitic fanatics like you.
If you still believe that then either you have an agenda (you are a shill) or either you are completely brainwashed by their propaganda.

Can't believe i'm actually having this conversation.
Please chill down. No one here wants to hurt you or your fellas.

edit: I don't either, I just wish everybody on Earth could live in Peace, stop making lists, stop counting points, and gather as the only thing above anything else: Humans.

I do advocate peace as long as the other counterpart wishes the same and it clearly isn't the case.
Funny how you changed your post, before the edit you were much more zealous.

[renfr]

renf you are so lost and silly, that you need this post.

1: It is exposed by Jim Stone who used to work for the NSA, that the mafias of Japan and Israel formed an alliance around 2009.  This allowed the Israel Magna camera to be installed at Fukishima.  This camera was actually a gun type nuke which blew up Fukishima Daichi.  Israel holds Japan's choke chain.  SEE: www.jimstonefreelance.com

2: The "six million" figure is totally grabbed from the mystical hat of kabbalah, and existed long long before they tried to fit that number to the WW2 deaths.  Maybe you are fully stupid, and d not know that "holocaust" means burnt offering?  I suppose you are also too lazy to research how far before WW2 the "six million" number is used by the holocausters long before WW2, they had that number in mind for occult purposes.

3: The plain fact is that Hitler/Shicklegruber was a Sabbatean Marcher Lord for the UKZionists, one of whom was Kaiser himself who visited Israel long before Shicklegruber populated it for the Zionists that he worked for.  FACE FACTS: Without Hitler and Himmler, you would have no State of Israel.  That is who founded it, got war reparations from Germany, etc.

renf, please do keep posting, because it is fun to have an example like you, empty skull but mouth full of bile.  Anyway, like I said, everyone who is informed, know that the Israel mafia holds Japan by the throat and they will blow up more nuke plants if they need to.  That is the reason Japan shut ALL nuke plants down for a while.  Isn't that odd?  It had nothing to do with the GE Fukishima plant being able to spontaneously explode, that's a bullshit cover story.

If true facts of conspiracy between nations and true facts about collaboration between Rome and the rabbis is upsetting to you, your only choice is to burn hotter in anger.  Nobody denies that Judaists died in WW2, but it is you who needs the data to fit your mind.  You cannot alter the past but you ignore it at your peril.

Calm down and get a grab, you do really read too much baseless conspiracy theories. Jews are behind Fukushima? Come on, you can't be serious, you've just lost all credibility there.
It's true that some conspiracy theories have a bit of truth but it's actually people like you who make people who think otherwise than MSM assimilated to mentally ill nuts like you.
Maybe do you have something to say about reptilians controlling the world, are reptilians zionist too? I bet they are!

6 million was indeed the number of Jews reported in the area of Pale of settlement, so what? There were 6 million there and more Jews outside of it all around Europe as well.
Jews killed were reported at nearly 6 million, and that's only the lowest estimation. Keep in mind that these areas notably in Poland and Baltic states were most of Jews lived where completely under Nazi control hence most of Jews living there were slain.
Honestly I don't care about the number, only insane people like you care about that figure, it seems so important to you apparently.
What matters most is not the number but the event itself and the cruelty involved.

Also for that last statement, stop turning the situation around, you hate Israel yet you support those who forced Jews to move out of Europe and create a state of their own.
Yes probably there would have been no need for creating the state of Israel if idiotic antisemites like you weren't spreading rumors and propaganda.
In fact, the more you hate Jews the more you make Israel a legitimate state.
Theorically, Israel should have been created only after the Messiah returns and Jews would have had waited for that moment. However you gave Jews no choice but to create it.

[hdbuck]

I do advocate peace as long as the other counterpart wishes the same and it clearly isn't the case.
Funny how you changed your post, before the edit you were much more zealous.

Says the guy that openly support a (para)military group (cf. IDF in your signature)  
Seriously tired of this BS, all about whining and arguing its the other's fault.
Oh and please enlighten me regarding why a guy like Jesus was crucified.

Talking about zealouness? You appear to wish death upon people the same way Nazis did. - of course i'd rephrase my thoughs as I wouldnt want to be sentenced to death by a bunch of fanatics.
You would blindly follow orders (if not give them) to "hunt down & prosecute" an identified group of people.
Well, seems no one learned anything outta WW2.



So much hate, for fuck sake.

[itsunderstood]

[...]

Maybe do you have something to say about reptilians controlling the world, are reptilians zionist too? I bet they are!

[...]

You go straight to 'argument to the absurd', do you see?  It is you, who discussseth-not the topics and issues.  You simply MUST drag reptile wack stuff into it.  This is a ruse, like dragging a non existent corpse across a path, to conceal ones self.  For the record: I am known on ATS, GLP and LOP as 'threadkiller prime' haha, I just made that name up.

Well anyway, for the record no, I don't buy the Icke-type conspiracy where one estimates humans to be aliens in disguise.  Indeed, I would sssay thisss: Even if I were standing face-to-face with a human who wasss reptilian inside, I would still have to afford him the dignity and courtesy of what maybe say Picard of the Next Generation TV show might do.

Haha, but it is so predicatable that YOU have to dive into the stupidity-swamp.  Haha, you associate Shicklegruber's history with reptiles?  Haw haw, no I don't believe that.  But frankly, maybe what is important is not so much "dur hur reptilians" but instead, VAMPIRES, which I DO believe in.

Oh yes, and since this thread is in the Service section and Markets and so forth, I am quite ready to discuss vampires at all levels of discussion.  Vampirism is debt.  Perpetual generational debt.  That's how the vampire class lives: By sucking the blood of the Goxxed/robbed class, and generally just being leeches on the working class.  NOTICE YE ALL that vampire genre of movies, never really delve into religion?  You do not see bible stories with vampires behind them.  Haha, because in the bible, the vampires are plainly described.  It is their love of money and making money off the temple, that provokes Jesus' ire.  He rode in on a donkey, to make fun of them.  He was saying that a King (the King of his time, not Bar Kochba) is simply just another piece of merchandise.  Haha, to me it is obvious to see that Jesus was a vampire hunter.

But anyway, no, I don't believe in reptiles.  But I do know my WW2 history far better than you.  In fact, I fully challenge you in this thread, to match your knowledge of WW2 against mine.  I guarantee you will lose.

[renfr]

[...]

Maybe do you have something to say about reptilians controlling the world, are reptilians zionist too? I bet they are!

[...]

You go straight to 'argument to the absurd', do you see?  It is you, who discussseth-not the topics and issues.  You simply MUST drag reptile wack stuff into it.  This is a ruse, like dragging a non existent corpse across a path, to conceal ones self.  For the record: I am known on ATS, GLP and LOP as 'threadkiller prime' haha, I just made that name up.

Well anyway, for the record no, I don't buy the Icke-type conspiracy where one estimates humans to be aliens in disguise.  Indeed, I would sssay thisss: Even if I were standing face-to-face with a human who wasss reptilian inside, I would still have to afford him the dignity and courtesy of what maybe say Picard of the Next Generation TV show might do.

Haha, but it is so predicatable that YOU have to dive into the stupidity-swamp.  Haha, you associate Shicklegruber's history with reptiles?  Haw haw, no I don't believe that.  But frankly, maybe what is important is not so much "dur hur reptilians" but instead, VAMPIRES, which I DO believe in.

Oh yes, and since this thread is in the Service section and Markets and so forth, I am quite ready to discuss vampires at all levels of discussion.  Vampirism is debt.  Perpetual generational debt.  That's how the vampire class lives: By sucking the blood of the Goxxed/robbed class, and generally just being leeches on the working class.  NOTICE YE ALL that vampire genre of movies, never really delve into religion?  You do not see bible stories with vampires behind them.  Haha, because in the bible, the vampires are plainly described.  It is their love of money and making money off the temple, that provokes Jesus' ire.  He rode in on a donkey, to make fun of them.  He was saying that a King (the King of his time, not Bar Kochba) is simply just another piece of merchandise.  Haha, to me it is obvious to see that Jesus was a vampire hunter.

But anyway, no, I don't believe in reptiles.  But I do know my WW2 history far better than you.  In fact, I fully challenge you in this thread, to match your knowledge of WW2 against mine.  I guarantee you will lose.

You're not American. Real Americans support Israel.

I do advocate peace as long as the other counterpart wishes the same and it clearly isn't the case.
Funny how you changed your post, before the edit you were much more zealous.

Says the guy that openly support a (para)military group (cf. IDF in your signature)  
Seriously tired of this BS, all about whining and arguing its the other's fault.
Oh and please enlighten me regarding why a guy like Jesus was crucified.

Talking about zealouness? You appear to wish death upon people the same way Nazis did. - of course i'd rephrase my thoughs as I wouldnt want to be sentenced to death by a bunch of fanatics.
You would blindly follow orders (if not give them) to "hunt down & prosecute" an identified group of people.
Well, seems no one learned anything outta WW2.


So much hate, for fuck sake.

Prosecuting someone means wishing death? Your mind seems twisted. It's called justice you know.
And stop turning the situation around again, you're just victimizing the actual attackers. Typical liberal bias.

[renfr]

I wish some mod comes and locks this topic, it seems like this topic has become a nest for antisemites to spread their vile propaganda.
We need to put an end to that.

Reminder to all antisemites : the whole world will fall after Israel starts falling, the IDF is one of the strongest armies of the world, you stand no chance 

[hdbuck]

lmao.
im done arguing with that shmuck.

-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HahSiMWekuQ



edit: oh now i just got threatenend in PM:

Je viens de dénoncer tes propos aux services compétents.
Attends-toi à une petite visite.
N'essaies pas de détruire les preuves, ça risquerait d'alourdir ton dossier.

meaning:

"I just reported you to the competent services.
You should expect a "little visit"
Don't try to destroy proofs, it will only make your case worse."

[hdbuck]

just quoting to make sure i have enough material to prove this dumbass wrong whenever he tries to hunt me down

Many rabbis and atheistic Jews alike refer to non-Jews as "goyim" (the nations, the non-Chosen) in a derogatory way. There are countless examples in Israeli newspapers. That's not to say that all Jews use the term derogatorily, but I do get the impression that you do.

You said that Jews are "fundamentally virtuous", which implies that certain other groups of people are not fundamentally virtuous (because you believe that there is some kind of inherent evil in the "anti-Semites"). It means you are defining yourself as a Jew first and a human being second. It should be the other way around. The way I would have expressed such an idea is to say that humans are fundamentally virtuous. That you miss this point is indicative of a mental pathogen, of which chosenness (a sense of superiority based on the idea of being "God's chosen people") is just one.

It does not imply that they are not fundamentally virtuous, it's all in your head.
Antisemites are inherently evil obviously, but this is concerning antisemites only not all goyim.
Also, not all antisemites are goyim (in the modern sense), some antisemites are in fact jewish and there are many of them sadly.
There are +7000 of them listed on Masada2000 : http://archive.is/f64hb#selection-137.0-145.0

A common myth spread by antisemites is what you just said at the end, Jews are G.od's chosen people, yes that is true, but not chosen in the sense that Jews are superior, chosen in the sense that Jews were chosen to convey the message of G.od. It's more of a duty for Jews than an attribute.

Your "self-hating Jews" list is really a list of decent human beings who decided they are human beings first and Jews second (or not Jews at all). I'm not surprised you'd cite that vehemently Jewish supremacist "masada2000" site. Ask the Jews behind that site if they feel that Jews are superior "in essence" to non-Jews due to being God's chosen people. Or ask sephardic leader rabbi Ovadia Joseph. It's both an attribute and a duty, nice false dichotomy fallacy.

"Antisemites are inherently evil obviously"? I suppose it's as obvious to you as it was obvious to the Nazis that "Jews are inherently evil obviously"...

Goyim is not an insult, those who say it is are just spreading conspiracy nut propaganda. Inform yourself about its meaning, it's not insulting at all.
Jews are also in some sort goyim too if you look at it, at least in biblical texts it is, it's just that now it's mostly used to refer to non-jews.

That seems to be true. I learned something today.

It isn't. He wants you to accept the definition given by those with an agenda to protect the image of their religion and "the Jewish people", rather than the definition used by Jewish religious leaders.

Decent human beings? These are antisemites, worse than that is that they are themselves Jewish!
Masada2000 is not jewish supremacist at all, what do you even mean by supremacy? There's no jewish supremacy at all.
You have a misknowledge of what chosen people means, chosen people doesn't mean superior, it's all in your head that was brainwashed by antisemitic propaganda.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (RIP) has his own opinions, I understand it was a bit contradictory to say that "gentiles are here to serve Jews" and what he said about the holocaust but you're just quoting the quotes that has most interest to you, everyone sometimes have controversial speeches, it happens but I understand you, antisemites will only exacerbate the bad things and ignore the good things or else it would be counterproductive to your cause.
AFAIK, the rest of what he said is totally true so unless you're an ostrich you cannot deny this.

The rest of your argument is pure non-sequitur fallacy, you are comparing "antisemitism" and "fight against antisemitism", saying antisemitism is inherently evil is more than true, it's an established fact.
Saying like the nazis did that the Jews are inherently evil is an obvious lie and is a call to hatred on a whole people. You can't compare the fight of a people for their integrity and hatred of a whole people for insane reasons.

I'm part jewish, and i am honestly embarrassed by the people who cry anti-semitism constantly.

Not every criticism of a jew is anti semitism.


inb4 I'm a self hating jew accusations

Funny how you say "inb4" because you're proving yourself that you consider you could be a self hating Jew and so are you it seems.
Really I will never understand people like you, goyim antisemites sure are insane and mentally ill but what are Jewish antisemites? It is beyond mental illness I think, the existence of people like you is aberrant and you must really feel bad to hate yourself, your own family, your own community and what you are.

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

Thank you for proving exactly what I'm saying. You are a violent thug who feels entitled to something that others don't, just because you are a Jew.

So now fighting antisemitism is being violent?
How do you respond if someone attacks you?
You prove my point, antisemites can only sustain their ideology through lie and deceit.
Now they turn the situation around, antisemites are nice fellows and those who denounce antisemitism are violent and dangerous.

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

so much for the luv. 

Sorry but no mercy for people who spit on more than six million deathes.

oh this is getting interesting:
where is it that i had spit on anything like that?!

Not you in particular.
Still you have spewed out antisemitic bias, claiming that Jews killed Jesus which we all know is utterly false and just a myth  spread by antisemitic fanatics like you.
If you still believe that then either you have an agenda (you are a shill) or either you are completely brainwashed by their propaganda.

Can't believe i'm actually having this conversation.
Please chill down. No one here wants to hurt you or your fellas.

edit: I don't either, I just wish everybody on Earth could live in Peace, stop making lists, stop counting points, and gather as the only thing above anything else: Humans.

I do advocate peace as long as the other counterpart wishes the same and it clearly isn't the case.
Funny how you changed your post, before the edit you were much more zealous.

renf you are so lost and silly, that you need this post.

1: It is exposed by Jim Stone who used to work for the NSA, that the mafias of Japan and Israel formed an alliance around 2009.  This allowed the Israel Magna camera to be installed at Fukishima.  This camera was actually a gun type nuke which blew up Fukishima Daichi.  Israel holds Japan's choke chain.  SEE: www.jimstonefreelance.com

2: The "six million" figure is totally grabbed from the mystical hat of kabbalah, and existed long long before they tried to fit that number to the WW2 deaths.  Maybe you are fully stupid, and d not know that "holocaust" means burnt offering?  I suppose you are also too lazy to research how far before WW2 the "six million" number is used by the holocausters long before WW2, they had that number in mind for occult purposes.

3: The plain fact is that Hitler/Shicklegruber was a Sabbatean Marcher Lord for the UKZionists, one of whom was Kaiser himself who visited Israel long before Shicklegruber populated it for the Zionists that he worked for.  FACE FACTS: Without Hitler and Himmler, you would have no State of Israel.  That is who founded it, got war reparations from Germany, etc.

renf, please do keep posting, because it is fun to have an example like you, empty skull but mouth full of bile.  Anyway, like I said, everyone who is informed, know that the Israel mafia holds Japan by the throat and they will blow up more nuke plants if they need to.  That is the reason Japan shut ALL nuke plants down for a while.  Isn't that odd?  It had nothing to do with the GE Fukishima plant being able to spontaneously explode, that's a bullshit cover story.

If true facts of conspiracy between nations and true facts about collaboration between Rome and the rabbis is upsetting to you, your only choice is to burn hotter in anger.  Nobody denies that Judaists died in WW2, but it is you who needs the data to fit your mind.  You cannot alter the past but you ignore it at your peril.

Calm down and get a grab, you do really read too much baseless conspiracy theories. Jews are behind Fukushima? Come on, you can't be serious, you've just lost all credibility there.
It's true that some conspiracy theories have a bit of truth but it's actually people like you who make people who think otherwise than MSM assimilated to mentally ill nuts like you.
Maybe do you have something to say about reptilians controlling the world, are reptilians zionist too? I bet they are!

6 million was indeed the number of Jews reported in the area of Pale of settlement, so what? There were 6 million there and more Jews outside of it all around Europe as well.
Jews killed were reported at nearly 6 million, and that's only the lowest estimation. Keep in mind that these areas notably in Poland and Baltic states were most of Jews lived where completely under Nazi control hence most of Jews living there were slain.
Honestly I don't care about the number, only insane people like you care about that figure, it seems so important to you apparently.
What matters most is not the number but the event itself and the cruelty involved.

Also for that last statement, stop turning the situation around, you hate Israel yet you support those who forced Jews to move out of Europe and create a state of their own.
Yes probably there would have been no need for creating the state of Israel if idiotic antisemites like you weren't spreading rumors and propaganda.
In fact, the more you hate Jews the more you make Israel a legitimate state.
Theorically, Israel should have been created only after the Messiah returns and Jews would have had waited for that moment. However you gave Jews no choice but to create it.

[...]

Maybe do you have something to say about reptilians controlling the world, are reptilians zionist too? I bet they are!

[...]

You go straight to 'argument to the absurd', do you see?  It is you, who discussseth-not the topics and issues.  You simply MUST drag reptile wack stuff into it.  This is a ruse, like dragging a non existent corpse across a path, to conceal ones self.  For the record: I am known on ATS, GLP and LOP as 'threadkiller prime' haha, I just made that name up.

Well anyway, for the record no, I don't buy the Icke-type conspiracy where one estimates humans to be aliens in disguise.  Indeed, I would sssay thisss: Even if I were standing face-to-face with a human who wasss reptilian inside, I would still have to afford him the dignity and courtesy of what maybe say Picard of the Next Generation TV show might do.

Haha, but it is so predicatable that YOU have to dive into the stupidity-swamp.  Haha, you associate Shicklegruber's history with reptiles?  Haw haw, no I don't believe that.  But frankly, maybe what is important is not so much "dur hur reptilians" but instead, VAMPIRES, which I DO believe in.

Oh yes, and since this thread is in the Service section and Markets and so forth, I am quite ready to discuss vampires at all levels of discussion.  Vampirism is debt.  Perpetual generational debt.  That's how the vampire class lives: By sucking the blood of the Goxxed/robbed class, and generally just being leeches on the working class.  NOTICE YE ALL that vampire genre of movies, never really delve into religion?  You do not see bible stories with vampires behind them.  Haha, because in the bible, the vampires are plainly described.  It is their love of money and making money off the temple, that provokes Jesus' ire.  He rode in on a donkey, to make fun of them.  He was saying that a King (the King of his time, not Bar Kochba) is simply just another piece of merchandise.  Haha, to me it is obvious to see that Jesus was a vampire hunter.

But anyway, no, I don't believe in reptiles.  But I do know my WW2 history far better than you.  In fact, I fully challenge you in this thread, to match your knowledge of WW2 against mine.  I guarantee you will lose.

You're not American. Real Americans support Israel.

I do advocate peace as long as the other counterpart wishes the same and it clearly isn't the case.
Funny how you changed your post, before the edit you were much more zealous.

Says the guy that openly support a (para)military group (cf. IDF in your signature) 
Seriously tired of this BS, all about whining and arguing its the other's fault.
Oh and please enlighten me regarding why a guy like Jesus was crucified.

Talking about zealouness? You appear to wish death upon people the same way Nazis did. - of course i'd rephrase my thoughs as I wouldnt want to be sentenced to death by a bunch of fanatics.
You would blindly follow orders (if not give them) to "hunt down & prosecute" an identified group of people.
Well, seems no one learned anything outta WW2.


So much hate, for fuck sake.

Prosecuting someone means wishing death? Your mind seems twisted. It's called justice you know.
And stop turning the situation around again, you're just victimizing the actual attackers. Typical liberal bias.

I wish some mod comes and locks this topic, it seems like this topic has become a nest for antisemites to spread their vile propaganda.
We need to put an end to that.

Reminder to all antisemites : the whole world will fall after Israel starts falling, the IDF is one of the strongest armies of the world, you stand no chance 

[hdbuck]

new PM:

Ca sert à rien de poster publiquement mes messages, tu esperes quoi concretement?
Ce ne sont pas des menaces mais une action concrete envers des propos punis par la loi.
J'ai deja bosse il y a un temps a la SPCJ pour defendre les juifs des antisemites, je peux te garantir qu'on va se pencher sur ton cas.
Tor, VPN, site etranger, ca sert a rien, on finira par te trouver, c'est une question de temps simplement.
J'ai deja eu affaire a un malin sur IRC (chat mtgox), il se croyait a l'abri avec son VPN et se lachait sur les juifs, resultat des courses on l'a chope et il a du rendre compte de ses actes au TI.
T'as pas beaucoup de chance d'etre tombe sur quelqu'un du meme pays que toi, autant les etrangers je passe car difficile de poursuivre, long, couteux et souvent mene a rien mais ceux qui resident en France ont beaucoup de soucis a se faire.
Regarde ton idole Dieudonne comment on l'a ecrase (et ce n'est que le debut)

Israel vaincra

meaning:

"It's useless to publicly post my messages, what do you expect?
These aren't threats but a concrete action against words legally condemned.
I have already worked at the SPCJ to defend jews from antisemites, i can guaranty that we are going to investigate you.
Tor, VPN, foreign websites, its useless, we will find you, its just a matter of time.
I have already deal with a "smartass" on IRC (chat mtGOX), he though he was safe behind his VPN and criticized jews, we got him and he had to deal with his acts in court.
You are quite not lucky to be from the same country as I am, prosecuting foreigners is difficult, long and expensive, if not useless, but those who reside in france are going to have a lot of trouble.
Look at your Idole Dieudonne how we crushed him (and thats just the beginning)

Isreal will win."

[itsunderstood]

renf, Americans do not support ignorance, they have just been fed crap by the TV. You know who runs Hollywodd so don't go there. 

Anyway, I am no hater of Judaists, and I don't hate Arabs or semetic people like the Copts, the first Christians who also were semetic though that's not important to understand why Jesus kicked ass, his being semetic meant nothing, his actions against money-fleecing douchebags and gangs and Rome, all display a true heroic spirit --one which Israel can never conjure.

Face it bro: Israel hasn't the heart to create a messiah.  He would just be another Bar Kochba dickbag failure, leading all his people to a bloodbath --a holocaust if you will.  Study Rabbi Meir and Judah Ha-Nasi who was connected to the silk trades of Babylon.  Why did Meir and Co. survive the masada events?  They escaped to Jerusalem because they cut a deal.  Similar to WW2 where the same thing happened, if you can see what truth is revealing to you.  Do you know anything of Encyclopedia Judaica?  Because all my facts are from that volume of books, typically available at better libraries.

[hdbuck]

Its all about turning the other cheek.
Make Love, not War.
Peace.

[itsunderstood]

Its all about turning the other cheek.
Make Love, not War.
Peace.

Well, all that AND fighting the debt priests.

Debt is the hallmark of the slave trade.

[justmyname]

I think he's Jewish because he reminds me of Augustus Gloop in the Willy Wonka movie. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSORiSaRW8

[itsunderstood]

I think he's Jewish because he reminds me of Augustus Gloop in the Willy Wonka movie. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSORiSaRW8

That stereotypes chocolate lovers.  Anyway Gloop is clearly a belgian surname.  [joking]

[MrPiggles]

I'm part jewish, and i am honestly embarrassed by the people who cry anti-semitism constantly.

Not every criticism of a jew is anti semitism.

inb4 I'm a self hating jew accusations

Funny how you say "inb4" because you're proving yourself that you consider you could be a self hating Jew and so are you it seems.
Really I will never understand people like you, goyim antisemites sure are insane and mentally ill but what are Jewish antisemites? It is beyond mental illness I think, the existence of people like you is aberrant and you must really feel bad to hate yourself, your own family, your own community and what you are.

No, I said inb4 because I knew you'd accuse me of it.

If a Jew kicks a dog, and I say "Don't kick that dog you asshole" you would call me an antisemite for criticizing that jew. You do not believe it's possible to criticize a jew without being an anti semite. You are fuckin retarded.

I used this example since yesterday this really happened (not with a jew, but with an Indian boy) I yelled at him for kicking a dog on the beach, luckily no one accused me of being a racist over it, since most people are not fuckin retards like yourself.

[renfr]

I'm part jewish, and i am honestly embarrassed by the people who cry anti-semitism constantly.

Not every criticism of a jew is anti semitism.

inb4 I'm a self hating jew accusations

Funny how you say "inb4" because you're proving yourself that you consider you could be a self hating Jew and so are you it seems.
Really I will never understand people like you, goyim antisemites sure are insane and mentally ill but what are Jewish antisemites? It is beyond mental illness I think, the existence of people like you is aberrant and you must really feel bad to hate yourself, your own family, your own community and what you are.

No, I said inb4 because I knew you'd accuse me of it.

If a Jew kicks a dog, and I say "Don't kick that dog you asshole" you would call me an antisemite for criticizing that jew. You do not believe it's possible to criticize a jew without being an anti semite. You are fuckin retarded.

I used this example since yesterday this really happened (not with a jew, but with an Indian boy) I yelled at him for kicking a dog on the beach, luckily no one accused me of being a racist over it, since most people are not fuckin retards like yourself.

I do not believe? Where did you get that?
I never said that criticizing Mark Karpeles is being an antisemite however saying he did these actions because he's a Jew is antisemitic behaviour.

Everyone there would be offended if someone was to say that if a blackman robbed is because he's black however no one except me and a few others seem to be shocked when it concerns a Jew.
This, is what I call double sandards and it confirms the growing trend of antisemitism over false rumors and lies being spread.

If you're a Jew then wake up, you seem to ignore the warnings that were issued to you and you will end up regretting it.

[MrPiggles]

I said not every criticism of a jew is anti semitism and you called me a self hating jew.

you are a retard

[hdbuck]

renfr is not even on bitcointalk to fucking talk about bitcoin. He just spills his filthy hate all over the place accusing everybody of being antissemite. just go have a look at his post history and you'll clearly understand he's a fanatic. This is the XXIst century and not some dark age where everybody is conspiring against jews or whatever other group of people. just GTFO.

please mods do something here.

[MrPiggles]

renfr is not even on bitcointalk to fucking talk about bitcoin. He just spills his filthy hate all over the place accusing everybody of being antissemite. just go have a look at his post history and you'll clearly understand he's a fanatic. This is the XXIst century and not some dark age where everybody is conspiring against jews or whatever other group of people. just GTFO.

please mods do something here.

[renfr]

renfr is not even on bitcointalk to fucking talk about bitcoin. He just spills his filthy hate all over the place accusing everybody of being antissemite. just go have a look at his post history and you'll clearly understand he's a fanatic. This is the XXIst century and not some dark age where everybody is conspiring against jews or whatever other group of people. just GTFO.

please mods do something here.

And now you're going to tell me that you're not a self hating Jew?

This is why I pointed out at your "inb4" speech, because usually when people say that it's that what follows has some sort of truth attached to it.

renfr is not even on bitcointalk to fucking talk about bitcoin. He just spills his filthy hate all over the place accusing everybody of being antissemite. just go have a look at his post history and you'll clearly understand he's a fanatic. This is the XXIst century and not some dark age where everybody is conspiring against jews or whatever other group of people. just GTFO.

please mods do something here.

Listen, I did not create this topic.
I am all for discussing about bitcoin because that's what this freaking forum is about.
The problem here is antisemites like you who create irrelevant topics in a bitcoin forum with the sole purpose of causing a flamewar and attack Jews.

Apparently this topic doesn't seem to annoy you, however when Jews start denoucing this topic you immediatly call for a witchhunt and turn the situation around, trying to turn the real attackers into innocent victims.

If there weren't deluded antisemites like you there would be no such thread and we would all be discussing about bitcoin.

Ever saw a zionist creating a topic on service discussion to defend Israel and Jews? No.
Ever saw antisemites creating topics warning us of evil Jews and their zionist domination plan? YES, plenty of times.

These are facts, whatever else you could say is just blatant rubbish.

[MrPiggles]

renfr is not even on bitcointalk to fucking talk about bitcoin. He just spills his filthy hate all over the place accusing everybody of being antissemite. just go have a look at his post history and you'll clearly understand he's a fanatic. This is the XXIst century and not some dark age where everybody is conspiring against jews or whatever other group of people. just GTFO.

please mods do something here.

And now you're going to tell me that you're not a self hating Jew?

This is why I pointed out at your "inb4" speech, because usually when people say that it's that what follows has some sort of truth attached to it.

renfr is not even on bitcointalk to fucking talk about bitcoin. He just spills his filthy hate all over the place accusing everybody of being antissemite. just go have a look at his post history and you'll clearly understand he's a fanatic. This is the XXIst century and not some dark age where everybody is conspiring against jews or whatever other group of people. just GTFO.

please mods do something here.

Listen, I did not create this topic.
I am all for discussing about bitcoin because that's what this freaking forum is about.
The problem here is antisemites like you who create irrelevant topics in a bitcoin forum with the sole purpose of causing a flamewar and attack Jews.

Apparently this topic doesn't seem to annoy you, however when Jews start denoucing this topic you immediatly call for a witchhunt and turn the situation around, trying to turn the real attackers into innocent victims.

If there weren't deluded antisemites like you there would be no such thread and we would all be discussing about bitcoin.

Ever saw a zionist creating a topic on service discussion to defend Israel and Jews? No.
Ever saw antisemites creating topics warning us of evil Jews and their zionist domination plan? YES, plenty of times.

These are facts, whatever else you could say is just blatant rubbish.

lawl you took that pic seriously!?

hahahahaa

[MrPiggles]

People who see racism/anti semitism everywhere, whether it is there or not are not helping their own cause.

You're like a jewish al sharpton.

Call everyone racist enough and everyone just gets sick of you and then you're ignored.

I'm gonna put you on ignore for being a stupid racist troll

[renfr]

People who see racism/anti semitism everywhere, whether it is there or not are not helping their own cause.

You're like a jewish al sharpton.

Call everyone racist enough and everyone just gets sick of you and then you're ignored.

I'm gonna put you on ignore for being a stupid racist troll

Don't play dumb.
The muslim jihadi warrior who wrote this sign "death to all juice" is real and he meant those words.
Sure he made a mistake when writing this but what he meant remains.
Or else let us all write antisemitic signs with a bad grammar and laugh about it, why not?

First I'm the attacker and now I'm a racist troll? Care to quote where the racism and where the trolling are?

The only troll in there is you who claims to be from jewish descent while at the same time spitting on your own community, either you're a self hating Jew or either you're a fake.


Is that you Daniel Burros?

[hdbuck]

please someone ban this hating dumbass fuck who's clearly on a divine mission to clear the Earth from ill-minded antisemites.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU OR YOUR BELLIGERANT CAUSE/PROPAGANDA.
*ignore

edit: renfr i dont like you, and I can assure you that it has nothing to do with you being jewish (i have a lot of jewish friends - hell, i even have dated a jewish girl oh and i want to visit Isreal to see this Mystic place we've been talking about for the last 2000 years and check how things are going on there too).
And I dont like Mark either, his writings just showed how pathetic he is (just like our fellow renfr here: all about little vendettas and no peaceful way of thinking), and that it should be seen no mercy for his misbehavior regarding Gox's heist since he clearly just owned you, big time - oh wow, could you believe it? MK even had the balls to accept fiat deposits knowing that there was nothing coming out of his shitty platform anymore.. ^^

btw I never employed the terms "hunt down", "prosecute", "insane" nor did i ever threatened or insulted anyone.

Moving on.  

[itsunderstood]

[...]

oh wow, could you believe it? MK even had the balls to accept fiat deposits knowing that there was nothing coming out of his shitty platform anymore.. ^^

[...]

Yep.  Total, blatant, in your face stealing.  Anyway, renf allowed me to fill this thread with facts while he danced around like a clown.  Yes he also PM'd me but nothing threatening.  Threats are so weak, and in fact, tribes are also weak.  Being a lone individual and having a code of honor that doesn't require 100,000 priests to spell it out for you, is what matters far more than glomming up with some douchetribe of any stripe.

Sure there's strength in numbers but there's also massive cowardice in numbers.  I mean all tribes of all stripes who had members killed in WW2, not just judaists.  All humans dead in WW2 are worth the same, no corpse is worth more because of his or her tribe, which didn't save them anyway.  Tribes are mostly horseshit.  But not being a shitty thief, will bring you friends and allies no matter what your God is.

[itsunderstood]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/23/355768/zionism-flies-in-face-of-judaism-rabbi/

Good rabbi above discusses stealing and thievery, which is forbidden by Torah.  It's a shame that he has to go to press.tv since US comms channels won't carry rational Judaists like him.

So, it is also a usurpation of Moses, if you will.  I would gladly interview Mark K. at any time, so he can clarify what he believes about Moses.  Indeed MK could become the biggest french rabbi ever.  It's a thought to consider, if he did write the words above.  He could be a good rabbi like the one above.  He would have to come clean about how they managed to leave 200k to be found later, also why did he take fiat when he knew his ship was sinking?

See, it's not about cultures really, it's about thievery.  Like how renf tried to associate conspiracy with "lizard people", because, to deal directly with truth, is difficult for him.  But, we are talking about a newly minted State, which supposedly purchased submarines from the very country which supposedly oppressed them 40 years ago?  WAR REPARATIONS are also part of the scam/racket which Smedley Butler identified.  I would point to Adenaur as the one who most directly observed WW2 and then took over to make war-reparations over decades, to Israel State of.

Anyway, who knew a Magic the Gathering site would become the religious discussion, but how often does a CEO of such a beached whale, gift us with his thoughts on Moses and such?  Let us find out if he really believes what we have read above.  If these are his words, let him claim them.

[MrPiggles]

http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/#

Post about someone paid to derail online forums and bring up anti-semitism whenever he can.


Doesn't remind me of anyone

[itsunderstood]

http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/#

Post about someone paid to derail online forums and bring up anti-semitism whenever he can.


Doesn't remind me of anyone

Awesome link.  I have a significant amount of original work at ATS database, but I guess they own some part of my words there?    Anyway yes it, and all forums, are steered by personalities.

But the real question, is, are you a controlled-by-group personality, or a controlled-by-self personality?  Because, human hands can be held by other minds, as in the case of Mark K. above, we see he is clearly steeped in those who raised him and their deep knowledge of whatever.

But, then there is the man who stands on his own.  Let us say, either the group-mind persona, or the single-mind persona, can do good or bad.  You can have a group like the Raelians, looking like wackjobs, but still doing nice things like fighting female genital mutilation and other scary bullshit rituals from the ancestors of todays priest/mullah/rabbi.

ATS knows me, GLP knows me 100% certain, and so does LOP, the Dutch twin of GLP.  As I have said before: Conspiracy is the ocean which the entire world floats upon.

There is no 'theory' to conspiracy, it is easily observable at the highest levels, when one does even a cursory examination of the events of the last 100 years since 1914.  Complete puppetry of nations and utter douchebaggery, by the richest houses of Earth.  RESULT: State of Israel + 1 billion dead bodypile + Germany dialectic (rending-repairing) to militarily feel bad and give big-weapons (and the French give nukes of course) to the new mewling supposedly 3000 years old infant called Israel.  BUT it is not right to isolate Israel because it is about false fronts and crypto-religion.

Armageddon is something long worked for since 1914 and well prior to that.  As Charles Russel of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society said "If we do not get enough rich Jews into Palestine. we may not be able to get Armageddon going!"  ...I have an ATS thread which explains all of this, long since abandoned by me since I understood what ATS was.

Oh Internets, is there nothing you cannot shine light into?  Yes, even the last 100 years becomes clearer every day we move forward in time.  Technology (like TCPIP) is like giving the Hubble telescope to researchers.  Basically, once the IP network and HTML came together, there was no way you were ever going to save the old lies.  That is why Rockefeller, in spite of all his own sacrifices, was blindsided by the Internet and says "We should never have allowed it to come into being."  Hopefully he weeps in his hatred of it, as he sees it will render not just Rothschild unto the light, but all the families that orbit them, Rockefeller, Collins, Li, Onassis, Gump, etc, I can't remember all their names.  But anyway, all these families that ran and participated in the WW2 minting gold from blood, as WW2 was simply a mint, run by all of these families, and forged in blood, will simply be like vampires dragged out on a nice warm Summer day.  Whatever happens to them in sunlight, is as nature intended.

[btcusury]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

Thank you for proving exactly what I'm saying. You are a violent thug who feels entitled to something that others don't, just because you are a Jew.

So now fighting antisemitism is being violent?
How do you respond if someone attacks you?
You prove my point, antisemites can only sustain their ideology through lie and deceit.
Now they turn the situation around, antisemites are nice fellows and those who denounce antisemitism are violent and dangerous.

I didn't turn anything around, the facts are there in plain words. You're a human being who feels justified in labeling others "evil, insane, irrational" and then use that judgment to justify "hunting them down" and "making them pay" for "thought crimes", completely disregarding the concept of the human right to free speech. Even if what is being said were not true, you'd still be a violent thug.

Do you know why some people in certain lower-income places decide to join neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups? It's because they are violent thugs, like you. They adopt Nazi symbolism because of its image, not because they know the first thing about National Socialism. They believe all the lies told by the victors of the Second World War, like almost everyone else, including you. Likewise, you know much less about Judaism and Jewish behavior than you think.

Take a pause to look at who is saying what here. Perhaps look at yourself in the mirror. It's there that you'll find hate, not in these words.

Theorically, Israel should have been created only after the Messiah returns and Jews would have had waited for that moment. However you gave Jews no choice but to create it.

So you're a Zionist by necessity rather than ideology? I guess you think Neturei Karta (presstv link above) are dangerous self-hating anti-Semites because they took scripture more seriously than your family? LOL.

And stop turning the situation around again, you're just victimizing the actual attackers. Typical liberal bias.

You are clearly the actual attacker. Nobody is hurt by words on a screen. You are advocating the physical action of depriving someone of their freedom. You also wrote a threatening PM to hdbuck. Typical Jewish behavior.

Reminder to all antisemites : the whole world will fall after Israel starts falling, the IDF is one of the strongest armies of the world, you stand no chance  

Please answer this: Do you support the Samson Option?

Ever saw antisemites creating topics warning us of evil Jews and their zionist domination plan? YES, plenty of times.

On this forum? Where? Point me to it!

"It's useless to publicly post my messages, what do you expect?
These aren't threats but a concrete action against words legally condemned.
I have already worked at the SPCJ to defend jews from antisemites, i can guaranty that we are going to investigate you.
Tor, VPN, foreign websites, its useless, we will find you, its just a matter of time.

Wow, google SPCJ and what do you find? "Lettre du Président du SPCJ – Éric de Rothschild"! Apparently it's the ADL of France. So this pathetic little thug, renfr, is an Abe Foxman wannabe.

I bet you were sent as a child to the reconstructed Auschwitz concentration camp to be traumatized for life, as depicted in Yoav Shamir's documentary Defamation. This insanity is what ingrains the Jewish persecution complex into children's psyches for creeps like Abe Foxman to exploit.

Is that you Daniel Burros?

Oooh how interesting, you know about racist Jews posing as fake neo-Nazis. Surely you know about Frank Collin (Cohen), the Jew who headed the American Nazi Party and allowed the media and Hollywood to generate an unprecedented degree of sympathy for Jewish victims of the Second World War, to the point where "Holocaust" victims became more important than the fallen US soldiers who supposedly fought to liberate the Jews from the Nazis. Does your SPCJ group send young Jews like you to pose as white supremacist nationalists and create French neo-Nazi groups in order to discredit nationalism and anti-Zionism in France? Or do you stick to hasbara efforts? Or is the former a more advanced position/mission you are aspiring to?

Everyone there would be offended if someone was to say that if a blackman robbed is because he's black however no one except me and a few others seem to be shocked when it concerns a Jew.
This, is what I call double sandards and it confirms the growing trend of antisemitism over false rumors and lies being spread.

If you're a Jew then wake up, you seem to ignore the warnings that were issued to you and you will end up regretting it.

Warning! Warning! Fear! Fear! If you're a Jew, they're coming for you, so come to uss, ve'll protect you against the efil antiseemites! Nefer again!

You know renfr, if you defined yourself as a human being, then "your people" would be all human beings. When you define "your people" as a small subset of the human race who are locked into a collective fear of "the others" (a pre-traumatic stress disorder, as Gilad Atzmon put it), then you are promoting and attracting precisely the kind of situation you believe you are fighting against.

The situation doesn't exist, it's only in your head, to borrow your phrase. What you see as "antisemitism" is people pointing out detrimental Jewish behavior such as yours.


Folks, what's with the call for mods/censorship? Let renfr spew his hate as much as he wants here. They are just words on a screen. Better to put that energy into text rather than physical action in the form of harassment of French people who dare think outside the Jewish box.

[leopard2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

All one needs to know about Jews.

[renfr]

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

Thank you for proving exactly what I'm saying. You are a violent thug who feels entitled to something that others don't, just because you are a Jew.

So now fighting antisemitism is being violent?
How do you respond if someone attacks you?
You prove my point, antisemites can only sustain their ideology through lie and deceit.
Now they turn the situation around, antisemites are nice fellows and those who denounce antisemitism are violent and dangerous.

I didn't turn anything around, the facts are there in plain words. You're a human being who feels justified in labeling others "evil, insane, irrational" and then use that judgment to justify "hunting them down" and "making them pay" for "thought crimes", completely disregarding the concept of the human right to free speech. Even if what is being said were not true, you'd still be a violent thug.

Do you know why some people in certain lower-income places decide to join neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups? It's because they are violent thugs, like you. They adopt Nazi symbolism because of its image, not because they know the first thing about National Socialism. They believe all the lies told by the victors of the Second World War, like almost everyone else, including you. Likewise, you know much less about Judaism and Jewish behavior than you think.

Take a pause to look at who is saying what here. Perhaps look at yourself in the mirror. It's there that you'll find hate, not in these words.

Theorically, Israel should have been created only after the Messiah returns and Jews would have had waited for that moment. However you gave Jews no choice but to create it.

So you're a Zionist by necessity rather than ideology? I guess you think Neturei Karta (presstv link above) are dangerous self-hating anti-Semites because they took scripture more seriously than your family? LOL.

And stop turning the situation around again, you're just victimizing the actual attackers. Typical liberal bias.

You are clearly the actual attacker. Nobody is hurt by words on a screen. You are advocating the physical action of depriving someone of their freedom. You also wrote a threatening PM to hdbuck. Typical Jewish behavior.

Reminder to all antisemites : the whole world will fall after Israel starts falling, the IDF is one of the strongest armies of the world, you stand no chance  

Please answer this: Do you support the Samson Option?

Ever saw antisemites creating topics warning us of evil Jews and their zionist domination plan? YES, plenty of times.

On this forum? Where? Point me to it!

"It's useless to publicly post my messages, what do you expect?
These aren't threats but a concrete action against words legally condemned.
I have already worked at the SPCJ to defend jews from antisemites, i can guaranty that we are going to investigate you.
Tor, VPN, foreign websites, its useless, we will find you, its just a matter of time.

Wow, google SPCJ and what do you find? "Lettre du Président du SPCJ – Éric de Rothschild"! Apparently it's the ADL of France. So this pathetic little thug, renfr, is an Abe Foxman wannabe.

I bet you were sent as a child to the reconstructed Auschwitz concentration camp to be traumatized for life, as depicted in Yoav Shamir's documentary Defamation. This insanity is what ingrains the Jewish persecution complex into children's psyches for creeps like Abe Foxman to exploit.

Is that you Daniel Burros?

Oooh how interesting, you know about racist Jews posing as fake neo-Nazis. Surely you know about Frank Collin (Cohen), the Jew who headed the American Nazi Party and allowed the media and Hollywood to generate an unprecedented degree of sympathy for Jewish victims of the Second World War, to the point where "Holocaust" victims became more important than the fallen US soldiers who supposedly fought to liberate the Jews from the Nazis. Does your SPCJ group send young Jews like you to pose as white supremacist nationalists and create French neo-Nazi groups do discredit nationalism and anti-Zionism? Or do you stick to hasbara efforts? Or is the former a more advanced position/mission you are aspiring to?

Everyone there would be offended if someone was to say that if a blackman robbed is because he's black however no one except me and a few others seem to be shocked when it concerns a Jew.
This, is what I call double sandards and it confirms the growing trend of antisemitism over false rumors and lies being spread.

If you're a Jew then wake up, you seem to ignore the warnings that were issued to you and you will end up regretting it.

Warning! Warning! Fear! Fear! If you're a Jew, they're coming for you, so come to uss, ve'll protect you against the efil antiseemites! Nefer again!

You know renfr, if you defined yourself as a human being, then "your people" would be all human beings. When you define "your people" as a small subset of the human race who are locked into a collective fear of "the others" (a pre-traumatic stress disorder, as Gilad Atzmon put it), then you are promoting and attracting precisely the kind of situation you believe you are fighting against.

The situation doesn't exist, it's only in your head, to borrow your phrase. What you see as "antisemitism" is people pointing out detrimental Jewish behavior such as yours.


Folks, what's with the call for mods/censorship? Let renfr spew his hate as much as he wants here. They are just words on a screen. Better to put that energy into text rather than physical action in the form of harassment of French people who dare think outside the Jewish box.

http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/#

Post about someone paid to derail online forums and bring up anti-semitism whenever he can.


Doesn't remind me of anyone

I am not paid.
Also where did I bring antisemitism everywhere on the forum? AFAIK I only brought it up when filth like you started saying that if Mark is a thief it's because he's a Jew.

please someone ban this hating dumbass fuck who's clearly on a divine mission to clear the Earth from ill-minded antisemites.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU OR YOUR BELLIGERANT CAUSE/PROPAGANDA.
*ignore

edit: renfr i dont like you, and I can assure you that it has nothing to do with you being jewish (i have a lot of jewish friends - hell, i even have dated a jewish girl oh and i want to visit Isreal to see this Mystic place we've been talking about for the last 2000 years and check how things are going on there too).
And I dont like Mark either, his writings just showed how pathetic he is (just like our fellow renfr here: all about little vendettas and no peaceful way of thinking), and that it should be seen no mercy for his misbehavior regarding Gox's heist since he clearly just owned you, big time - oh wow, could you believe it? MK even had the balls to accept fiat deposits knowing that there was nothing coming out of his shitty platform anymore.. ^^

btw I never employed the terms "hunt down", "prosecute", "insane" nor did i ever threatened or insulted anyone.

Moving on.  

Where did I spread propaganda? In first instance I merely countered your false allegations and your antisemitic BS.
As simple as that, if you people stop accusating jews for everything bad that happens to you or to others then you won't see me again, it's you keep on spreading your BS I'll be there, always.
I know you are an antisemite, you are one of those fans of Dieudonné, the antisemitic so-called "humourist" who is in fact following a political agenda, that guy even had his party financed by Iran to spread antisemitism in France.

[...]

oh wow, could you believe it? MK even had the balls to accept fiat deposits knowing that there was nothing coming out of his shitty platform anymore.. ^^

[...]

Yep.  Total, blatant, in your face stealing.  Anyway, renf allowed me to fill this thread with facts while he danced around like a clown.  Yes he also PM'd me but nothing threatening.  Threats are so weak, and in fact, tribes are also weak.  Being a lone individual and having a code of honor that doesn't require 100,000 priests to spell it out for you, is what matters far more than glomming up with some douchetribe of any stripe.

Sure there's strength in numbers but there's also massive cowardice in numbers.  I mean all tribes of all stripes who had members killed in WW2, not just judaists.  All humans dead in WW2 are worth the same, no corpse is worth more because of his or her tribe, which didn't save them anyway.  Tribes are mostly horseshit.  But not being a shitty thief, will bring you friends and allies no matter what your God is.

Yes all humans killed in WW2 are equal, at least I agree with you on that point.
However the problem is not there, because no one has denied this fact so far, the problem is that people like you keep denying the death of over six million Jews. And strangely enough, you never do the same for others who died during WW2.
I never saw one of you denying the deathes of Roma people, homosexuals, Serbians, disabled people, and so on...
But when it comes to Jews...

So you're a Zionist by necessity rather than ideology? I guess you think Neturei Karta (presstv link above) are dangerous self-hating anti-Semites because they took scripture more seriously than your family? LOL.

That's your problem, you're obsessed with Jews and zionists, the less you think about them, the less you will see them everywhere.
Yes NKUSA is a group filled with self hating jews, in fact these are ultraorthodox Jews, these Jews are those who should fight against because they are extremists. Zionists are not extremists, ultraorthodox Jews counter secularism, they hate democracy, they hate progress, some of them even force their wives to put a burqa like muslims in Afghanistan.
Obviously they hate Israel because Israel represents all what they hate. If you support them then maybe you should go to Beit Shemesh in Jerusalem and conform to their backward rules.

You are clearly the actual attacker. Nobody is hurt by words on a screen. You are advocating the physical action of depriving someone of their freedom. You also wrote a threatening PM to hdbuck. Typical Jewish behavior.

I did not call for physical violence, where did you even read that? I called to prosecute and use legal action in order to press charges against antisemitic acts. That's called justice you know, there's nothing physical in there.

Please answer this: Do you support the Samson Option?

What do you think a country with nukes would do? You know many other countries have nukes too...

Oooh how interesting, you know about racist Jews posing as fake neo-Nazis. Surely you know about Frank Collin (Cohen), the Jew who headed the American Nazi Party and allowed the media and Hollywood to generate an unprecedented degree of sympathy for Jewish victims of the Second World War, to the point where "Holocaust" victims became more important than the fallen US soldiers who supposedly fought to liberate the Jews from the Nazis. Does your SPCJ group send young Jews like you to pose as white supremacist nationalists and create French neo-Nazi groups do discredit nationalism and anti-Zionism? Or do you stick to hasbara efforts? Or is the former a more advanced position/mission you are aspiring to?

You are really deluded.

Warning! Warning! Fear! Fear! If you're a Jew, they're coming for you, so come to uss, ve'll protect you against the efil antiseemites! Nefer again!

You know renfr, if you defined yourself as a human being, then "your people" would be all human beings. When you define "your people" as a small subset of the human race who are locked into a collective fear of "the others" (a pre-traumatic stress disorder, as Gilad Atzmon put it), then you are promoting and attracting precisely the kind of situation you believe you are fighting against.

The situation doesn't exist, it's only in your head, to borrow your phrase. What you see as "antisemitism" is people pointing out detrimental Jewish behavior such as yours.


Folks, what's with the call for mods/censorship? Let renfr spew his hate as much as he wants here. They are just words on a screen. Better to put that energy into text rather than physical action in the form of harassment of French people who dare think outside the Jewish box.

Holocaust didn't exist too? Right? It's all in my head? Terrorists threatening to blow up Israel and send rockets on the houses of innocents is just in our head riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[renfr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

All one needs to know about Jews.

What do you think the US, Russia, China would do with their nukes if some country was to threaten their existence?

But woops... when it comes to Israel it's always a different story, that's what we call double standards.

[hdbuck]

This guy's a lost cause, of course he isnt payed to spill his anger, he buys it all

The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth; for the Lord has spoken: “Children have I reared and brought up, but they have rebelled against me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib, but Israel does not know, my people do not understand.” Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! They have forsaken the Lord, they have despised the Holy One of Israel, they are utterly estranged. Why will you still be struck down? Why will you continue to rebel? The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

Isaiah 1:1-31

 

edit: by the old books, i'm probably more jewish than he is.

[itsunderstood]

I never saw one of you denying the deathes of Roma people, homosexuals, Serbians, disabled people, and so on...
But when it comes to Jews...

[...]

Obviously they hate Israel because Israel represents all what they hate.

[...]

You know many other countries have nukes too...

renf, it's not easy to reach you, but to state it plainly using your own terms:

Have Romanians, traditionally been a diaspora'd people and have they been given a nuke-enabled UN caliber State after WW2 as with your dead ones, whatever the number be?

So, no, we know that Roma people have lived there for a long long time.  Not the same.  Okay so then let's examine your carefully stupid list above.  After Romanians you mentioned:

- Serbians (again, not typically a diaspora'd group
- Homosexuals (not traditionally political, but granted that after WW2)
- Disabled (true, Hitler was a dickhead who would kill the disabled, we can agree there)
- "and so on" which I think you mean "Other things Shicklegruber didn't like" because the whole event which offendeth Roma, Serbia, Homosexualia (haha), and Masons as well, is the Rome-empowered scythe of National Socialism which was really just basically in the end, culture war between cyrillic priests and latin priests, with Judaists (and all your groups you mentioned) caught in the middle.

I do not say that "Jews" ran WW2, merely that Stalin and Himmler were going to exploit markets of war, and therefore the Hebrew speaking tribe was involved (and yes heavily wounded) by Shicklgruber the Marcher Lord for Germanic UK house run by Pius 12 and his Jesuit confessor, and Von Papen, etc, all of whom knew they were prosecuting a war which was begin in WW1 and would continue after WW2.

NOTE: The Nazi Red House report said in 1944 Spring [ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1179902/Revealed-The-secret-report-shows-Nazis-planned-Fourth-Reich--EU.html ], that the SS had admitted defeat, and that they would 'submarine' (so to speak) all the wealth they had left.  This is not conspiracy theory, it is newly revealed (relatively new anyway) truth about conspiracy shaping warfare.

Because this means, that whomever formed the SS, knew for a fact, that they were killing Germans and all others (and continuing the camps) for no reason except the burnt offering to their God.  

Is Rome involved with Rothschild?  Do gangs steal?  Do men like Mark K. get puppeted and captured and used?  And does that puppet, perceive himself as being a true genius who can pull off whatever innovations he can?

Was he being "innovative" when he seeded the internet with his trashy Gox API that now references a den of thievery and poor TX policies?  Why did anyone ever refer to MTGox price if the truth was that their TX implementation was so shitty?  In terms of getting the dupes' money to flow to you, making a shitty API and then collapsing it after a final snatch and grab, makes perfect sense.  I mean keeping the deposit window open while failing to catch "thieves" and then "finding" 200k coins  ...His words here are just really to precious.  This is an amazing moment in time, but nobody needs to feel surrounded like Samson, because nobody on this planet is as good as Samson.  Show me one good Nazarene like Samson and I will disagree.

edit

Red House report was 1944 not 1943, but still as the article says

The order to export foreign capital was technically illegal in Nazi Germany, but by the summer of 1944 the law did not matter.

More than two months after D-Day, the Nazis were being squeezed by the Allies from the west and the Soviets from the east. Hitler had been badly wounded in an assassination attempt. The Nazi leadership was nervous, fractious and quarrelling.

During the war years the SS had built up a gigantic economic empire, based on plunder and murder, and they planned to keep it.

A meeting such as that at the Maison Rouge would need the protection of the SS, according to Dr Adam Tooze of Cambridge University, author of Wages of Destruction: The Making And Breaking Of The Nazi Economy.

He says: 'By 1944 any discussion of post-war planning was banned. It was extremely dangerous to do that in public. But the SS was thinking in the long-term. If you are trying to establish a workable coalition after the war, the only safe place to do it is under the auspices of the apparatus of terror.'

Shrewd SS leaders such as Otto Ohlendorf were already thinking ahead.

^^^ Notice the UK press won't speak to Edwin Black's book the Transfer Agreement, because then they'd have to admit their press copy above is a lie: Shicklegruber allowed some Zionists to escape, before WW2 even got really going.  So thei copy above, is also only partially honest, do you see?

[btcusury]

This guy's a lost cause, of course he isnt payed to spill his anger, he buys it all

Yep, I think you're right, he's not the clever type of hasbarat. He seems to uncritically believe everything he is told by the leaders of "his people". Too bad for him. The hate he carries is the hate that will destroy him, not the imagined hate his traumatized amygdala perceives everywhere.

The difference between Jews and other groups of victims is this: If gypsies, homosexuals, or Serbians were shown evidence that less of them died than they believe, they'd welcome the news. Only for traumatized Jews is it horrible news to hear of someone presenting evidence that less than 6 million Jews died during the Second World War.

For those who blindly believe in the sacred number, you need only watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

[itsunderstood]

Plus, if MK was muslim it would also factor in how his mind works.

Also, if he were a lawyer it would factor in how his mind works.

Also if he were ignorant of some things.

This seems a logical newsbyte to post here in defense of all assholery and ideaology wars:

http://rt.com/news/sharia-law-uk-legal-713/

UK "Law Society" creates New Legal Classes from Old Bullshit

[...]

Sharia principles are to become enshrined in the UK legal system for the first time, with The Law Society publishing guidelines for drawing up documents according to Islamic rules, which would exclude non-believers and encroach on women’s rights.

The new guidelines were produced by The Law Society earlier this month. Under the guidance, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills which will have the power to exclude non-believers completely and deny women an equal share of an inheritance.

“The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class. Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognized,” states the document.

Any children who have been born outside of marriage and even kids who have been adopted will also not be recognized as legitimate heirs.

It also advises lawyers to draft special exclusions from the Wills Act 1837, which would allow gifts or money to pass to the children of an heir who has died, as this practice isn’t recognized in Islamic law.

UK is where all the world's lawyers get made, pretty much.  So, there are many levels to the valid question OP raises and comments in this thread allow us to have a pretty good discussion so far I'd say.

[leopard2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

All one needs to know about Jews.

What do you think the US, Russia, China would do with their nukes if some country was to threaten their existence?

But woops... when it comes to Israel it's always a different story, that's what we call double standards.

No, there is a big difference and again, I am not antisemitic, I have lived and worked with Jews.

There is no reason to believe that US, Russia or China would be distributing their nukes to neutral countries. They would still destroy the world by nuking their enemies - but targetting everyone just to destroy the planet is a different story.

"Israel's surviving Dolphin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)"

Such thinking is why antisemitism exists in the first place. It is like "if we can't own the planet we destroy it", very nice.

It is pure terrorism. If any one other country than Israel would try the same, build nukes and then threaten the entire world, they would be destroyed immediately, Iran can't even have a single nuke.

[itsunderstood]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixYEZ9M_dU

Hotshit retro here, LOL

He looks exactly the same today, his attitude is the same.  BUT NOTE: He cannot and will not discuss Palestine from years 1900-1945 because he simply cannot do so.  The script begins when WW2 ends.

[hdbuck]

For those who blindly believe in the sacred number, you need only watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

No shit!  




edit: oh and thx for this :

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

Thank you for proving exactly what I'm saying. You are a violent thug who feels entitled to something that others don't, just because you are a Jew.

So now fighting antisemitism is being violent? duuuh ^^
How do you respond if someone attacks you? FUCKING TURN THE OTHER CHEEK IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? a concept also known as Universal Luv - thank you Jesus!
You prove my point, antisemites can only sustain their ideology through lie and deceit. true, but the real antisemites are not the one you'd expect
Now they turn the situation around, antisemites are nice fellows and those who denounce antisemitism are violent and dangerous. hey im a nice guy, never threatened you or your fellas ^^

I didn't turn anything around, the facts are there in plain words. You're a human being who feels justified in labeling others "evil, insane, irrational" and then use that judgment to justify "hunting them down" and "making them pay" for "thought crimes", completely disregarding the concept of the human right to free speech. Even if what is being said were not true, you'd still be a violent thug.

Do you know why some people in certain lower-income places decide to join neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups? It's because they are violent thugs, like you. They adopt Nazi symbolism because of its image, not because they know the first thing about National Socialism. They believe all the lies told by the victors of the Second World War, like almost everyone else, including you. Likewise, you know much less about Judaism and Jewish behavior than you think.

Take a pause to look at who is saying what here. Perhaps look at yourself in the mirror. It's there that you'll find hate, not in these words.

Theorically, Israel should have been created only after the Messiah returns and Jews would have had waited for that moment. However you gave Jews no choice but to create it.

So you're a Zionist by necessity rather than ideology? lmao thats a good one I guess you think Neturei Karta (presstv link above) are dangerous self-hating anti-Semites because they took scripture more seriously than your family? LOL. ROFL

Reminder to all antisemites : the whole world will fall after Israel starts falling, the IDF is one of the strongest armies of the world, you stand no chance  

Please answer this: Do you support the Samson Option? oh wow, seriously fucked up strategy  

And stop turning the situation around again, you're just victimizing the actual attackers. Typical liberal bias.

You are clearly the actual attacker. Nobody is hurt by words on a screen. You are advocating the physical action of depriving someone of their freedom. You also wrote a threatening PM to hdbuck. actually its 2  


Wow, google SPCJ and what do you find? "Lettre du Président du SPCJ – Éric de Rothschild"! Apparently it's the ADL of France. So this pathetic little thug, renfr, is an Abe Foxman wannabe.

I bet you were sent as a child to the reconstructed Auschwitz concentration camp to be traumatized for life, as depicted in Yoav Shamir's documentary Defamation. OMG OMG awesome documentary - poor kids, being raised in such fear and hate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDBdQDHL6wI This insanity is what ingrains the Jewish persecution complex into children's psyches for creeps like Abe Foxman to exploit. WTF that part in the documentary when they have teenagers sitting on the streets in poland like if they where deported - of course polish people think they're crazy, i wouldnt want my kids to experience the same shit oh and those teenagers totally lost at some camp visit because of feeling ashamed for not crying - until, of course, they break down... soo wicked..

BEING JEW IS NOT FIGHTING ANTISEMITISM, BEING JEW IS PRACTICING JUDAISM

 Does your SPCJ group send young Jews like you to pose as white supremacist nationalists and create French neo-Nazi groups in order to discredit nationalism and anti-Zionism in France? they're called "antifas" - it took me a while to understand why thugs that looked like supremacist nationalists where pretending to fight them - could you believe it? fighting nazis dressed as nazis?! ^^

oh and we also have JDL, an FBI listed terrorist group that is even banned from Israel   so much luuv

You know renfr, if you defined yourself as a human being, then "your people" would be all human beings. When you define "your people" as a small subset of the human race who are locked into a collective fear of "the others" (a pre-traumatic stress disorder, as Gilad Atzmon put it), then you are promoting and attracting precisely the kind of situation you believe you are fighting against.

The situation doesn't exist, it's only in your head, to borrow your phrase. What you see as "antisemitism" is people pointing out detrimental Jewish behavior such as yours.


Folks, what's with the call for mods/censorship? Let renfr spew his hate as much as he wants here. They are just words on a screen. Better to put that energy into text rather than physical action in the form of harassment of French people who dare think outside the Jewish box.
yup, its pretty damn the far west in France ^^

couldn't say it better. greetings from France

PS: alright let him speak and publicly make a fool of himself, maybe it will open the eyes of people like him out there

[hdbuck]

dear renfr,

i know its not much but know that i dont hate you, i'm sorry you've been raised in such fear and anger. Its those who purposely fill your young heads with such horrors that should be ashamed for not giving you the chance to live a forgiving and peaceful life.

here, have a hug:



 

[renfr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

All one needs to know about Jews.

What do you think the US, Russia, China would do with their nukes if some country was to threaten their existence?

But woops... when it comes to Israel it's always a different story, that's what we call double standards.

No, there is a big difference and again, I am not antisemitic, I have lived and worked with Jews.

There is no reason to believe that US, Russia or China would be distributing their nukes to neutral countries. They would still destroy the world by nuking their enemies - but targetting everyone just to destroy the planet is a different story.

"Israel's surviving Dolphin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)"

Such thinking is why antisemitism exists in the first place. It is like "if we can't own the planet we destroy it", very nice.

It is pure terrorism. If any one other country than Israel would try the same, build nukes and then threaten the entire world, they would be destroyed immediately, Iran can't even have a single nuke.

Van Creveld is just an historian so you shouldn't take seriously what he says. But yes, the whole world will be destroyed before Israel gets destroyed if there's an imminent threat over the state of Israel.
Also why did you forget the beginning of the sentence that was saying "in the "aftermath of a second Holocaust" Israel's surviving Dolphin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate...".
If you take that into account then the Samson option has nothing to do with terrorism, it's rather counter-terrorism. Remember that Israel was created for the sole purpose of Jews to never be again victims of another holocaust.
Israel will do whatever it takes for that to never happen again, if the whole world threatens of a new holocaust then yes it will be nuked, if Iran gets a nuke and plans to nuke Israel to make a new holocaust then yes it will be nuked as well.
If DPRK was serious and was to nuke L.A. then the US would immediatly make DPRK a living hell and the only thing that would remain would be scorched earth.

Such thinking is why antisemitism exists in the first place. It is like "if we can't own the planet we destroy it", very nice.

Antisemitism existed long before zionism existed, long before Israel (as the current state of Israel) existed. Jews have lived for almost two millenaries without a state and yet antisemitism kept existing.
It's a false argument to say that Israel is why there is antisemitism.
Back in Muhammad times, some Jews were living in peace in the oasis of Khaybar, they had a prosperous city and guess what happened? Muhammad called muslims to arms to force the city, kill the Jews and take the booty.
Jews lived in peace in Europe as well and many of them were massacred, deported and forced to convert. It's only now that european countries are realizing this was a terrible mistake and there was no justification except fanaticism for doing this.

For those who blindly believe in the sacred number, you need only watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

No shit! 




edit: oh and thx for this :

Some people on this thread truly deserve to be on the SWC list.

oh wow.. you even have an annual list?

I wish we had one to hunt down antisemites like you, I can guarantee you'd be on that list.

The reason why you keep shouting all over the web about your insane farfetched conspiracy theories is because there's actually no one to make you pay the consequences of your actions.
It'll be far more quiet when people like you will start being hunted until they're found and prosecuted for severe misdemeanor.

Thank you for proving exactly what I'm saying. You are a violent thug who feels entitled to something that others don't, just because you are a Jew.

So now fighting antisemitism is being violent? duuuh ^^
How do you respond if someone attacks you? FUCKING TURN THE OTHER CHEEK IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? a concept also known as Universal Luv - thank you Jesus!
You prove my point, antisemites can only sustain their ideology through lie and deceit. true, but the real antisemites are not the one you'd expect
Now they turn the situation around, antisemites are nice fellows and those who denounce antisemitism are violent and dangerous. hey im a nice guy, never threatened you or your fellas ^^

I didn't turn anything around, the facts are there in plain words. You're a human being who feels justified in labeling others "evil, insane, irrational" and then use that judgment to justify "hunting them down" and "making them pay" for "thought crimes", completely disregarding the concept of the human right to free speech. Even if what is being said were not true, you'd still be a violent thug.

Do you know why some people in certain lower-income places decide to join neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups? It's because they are violent thugs, like you. They adopt Nazi symbolism because of its image, not because they know the first thing about National Socialism. They believe all the lies told by the victors of the Second World War, like almost everyone else, including you. Likewise, you know much less about Judaism and Jewish behavior than you think.

Take a pause to look at who is saying what here. Perhaps look at yourself in the mirror. It's there that you'll find hate, not in these words.

Theorically, Israel should have been created only after the Messiah returns and Jews would have had waited for that moment. However you gave Jews no choice but to create it.

So you're a Zionist by necessity rather than ideology? lmao thats a good one I guess you think Neturei Karta (presstv link above) are dangerous self-hating anti-Semites because they took scripture more seriously than your family? LOL. ROFL

Reminder to all antisemites : the whole world will fall after Israel starts falling, the IDF is one of the strongest armies of the world, you stand no chance 

Please answer this: Do you support the Samson Option? oh wow, seriously fucked up strategy 

And stop turning the situation around again, you're just victimizing the actual attackers. Typical liberal bias.

You are clearly the actual attacker. Nobody is hurt by words on a screen. You are advocating the physical action of depriving someone of their freedom. You also wrote a threatening PM to hdbuck. actually its 2 


Wow, google SPCJ and what do you find? "Lettre du Président du SPCJ – Éric de Rothschild"! Apparently it's the ADL of France. So this pathetic little thug, renfr, is an Abe Foxman wannabe.

I bet you were sent as a child to the reconstructed Auschwitz concentration camp to be traumatized for life, as depicted in Yoav Shamir's documentary Defamation. OMG OMG awesome documentary - poor kids, being raised in such fear and hate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDBdQDHL6wI This insanity is what ingrains the Jewish persecution complex into children's psyches for creeps like Abe Foxman to exploit. WTF that part in the documentary when they have teenagers sitting on the streets in poland like if they where deported - of course polish people think they're crazy, i wouldnt want my kids to experience the same shit oh and those teenagers totally lost at some camp visit because of feeling ashamed for not crying - until, of course, they break down... soo wicked..

BEING JEW IS NOT FIGHTING ANTISEMITISM, BEING JEW IS PRACTICING JUDAISM

 Does your SPCJ group send young Jews like you to pose as white supremacist nationalists and create French neo-Nazi groups in order to discredit nationalism and anti-Zionism in France? they're called "antifas" - it took me a while to understand why thugs that looked like supremacist nationalists where pretending to fight them - could you believe it? fighting nazis dressed as nazis?! ^^

oh and we also have JDL, an FBI listed terrorist group that is even banned from Israel   so much luuv

You know renfr, if you defined yourself as a human being, then "your people" would be all human beings. When you define "your people" as a small subset of the human race who are locked into a collective fear of "the others" (a pre-traumatic stress disorder, as Gilad Atzmon put it), then you are promoting and attracting precisely the kind of situation you believe you are fighting against.

The situation doesn't exist, it's only in your head, to borrow your phrase. What you see as "antisemitism" is people pointing out detrimental Jewish behavior such as yours.


Folks, what's with the call for mods/censorship? Let renfr spew his hate as much as he wants here. They are just words on a screen. Better to put that energy into text rather than physical action in the form of harassment of French people who dare think outside the Jewish box.
yup, its pretty damn the far west in France ^^

couldn't say it better. greetings from France

PS: alright let him speak and publicly make a fool of himself, maybe it will open the eyes of people like him out there

hdbuck you don't seem to understand a few basic things :
- Fighting doesn't necessarily imply physical violence, it means fighting in the sense "to counter", as simple as that
- Nope, that's catholic BS and that's why catholicism is dying as a religion, because catholicism is bowing down to the evils of this world with this stupid motto that is "if your cheek is slapped then present them the other cheek (so that they can slap it even stronger)", this is carebearish idiocy and everyone now in this world that this doesn't work. If you're attacked then you counterattack, as simple as that, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot.
- To me zionism is simple patriotism, I'm a French patriot so logically I support zionism which is just a specific kind of patriotism which merely means "one land, one people".
- Antifascists? Seriously you don't know what you're talking about, antifascists are as antisemites as neo-nazis overall in France, antifascists who support the socialist filth governement and make rampages in several cities. Antifascists are just as braindead as neonazis, the only difference is that the governement supports them so they're the good guys (Clément Méric for example) while the neonazis are the bad guys (Esteban Morillo), in fact they're just all in the same. They support islamic terror against what they call the "evil apartheid zionist regime of Israel".
- JDL is not a terrorist group, JDL is Jewish self-defense group, the guy who was terrorist is Victor Vancier but he's not a terrorist anymore and he's the leader of the JTF.
In the USA JDL is not even active anymore, the only thing they had was Camp Meir (kahane chai) a while ago : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLk32l_4VU
This is just self-defense like there are thousands of thousands of self defense centre all around the world teaching about fighting techniques, stop being paranoid okay...
Hopefully the section in France is still active with many self defense trainings and if you hate them then I suggest you to go to Rue des rosiers, quartier du marais in Paris and pass by for a little visit, they'll be glad to meet you.

yup, its pretty damn the far west in France ^^

Yeah and it's because of zionists? Riiiiiiiight. The reason why our country is fucked up has nothing to do with Jews or zionists, yeah some of our corrupted politicians are Jews, some are zionists but others are not and yet they're as corrupted as the others. And I completely despise Manuel Valls for what he did recently against Dieudonné.
You know though I fight (not physically okay?) against the ideas of Dieudonné and his friends, I defend freedom of speech above all and I'm totally against any kind of censorship.


TL;DR, this topic is totally aberrant, the fact that MK is Jewish or not is totally irrelevant. Believe me, many Jews were also victim of his plan to run away with the coins, this has nothing to do with religion.
He's just a mere computer geek who is just Jewish by the origins and atheist in the mind, he probably doesn't even care about his religion, he tried to connect back to Judaism when he went to Ashdod and it ended in being a complete failure.

[renfr]

dear renfr,

i know its not much but know that i dont hate you, i'm sorry you've been raised in such fear and anger. Its those who purposely fill your young heads with such horrors that should be ashamed for not giving you the chance to live a forgiving and peaceful life.

here, have a hug:



 

I don't hate you. I merely counter all the shills who keep saying "if X happened it's because of the jews/zionists".

[hdbuck]

the fact that MK wrote the same pathetic shit that you seem to blindy believe is relevant to the fact that your type of brainwashed jew is evil and should been ignored for the sake of the Earth and Humanity. Now you can either get this in your little head and enjoy some rest from all this fear and hate you carry or you can keep on spilling your filth about terrorists not being terrorists and not antisemites being antesemites. your reasoning is so inhuman and hopeless its embarrassing to see how insanely radical your are. fucking idiot.
Its always the other's fault, always about making lists, counting points, comparing others misbehavior to justify yours. You are just usurping the image of innocent jews for the purpose of your fucking domination cause/ideology. You are the only antisemite in this place. I'm certainly not. WAKE UP OR PISS OFF.

edit: i really hope that this behavior here from that fanatic will help making the connections in other's head before those fucktards start the fucking nuke apocalypse and be happy about it. besides calling everyone that doesnt agree with you or your egomaniac ideology an antisemite, calling someone a "self-hating" is even more despicable and clearly shows a total lack of empathy, if not the whole brain.

[renfr]

the fact that MK wrote the same pathetic shit that you seem to blindy believe is relevant to the fact that your type of brainwashed jew is evil and should been ignored for the sake of the Earth.

Now I'm evil?
I'm not brainwashed at all, no one except myself had influence on me and 6-7 years ago my thoughts were completely different.

[renfr]

This guy's a lost cause, of course he isnt payed to spill his anger, he buys it all

Yep, I think you're right, he's not the clever type of hasbarat. He seems to uncritically believe everything he is told by the leaders of "his people". Too bad for him. The hate he carries is the hate that will destroy him, not the imagined hate his traumatized amygdala perceives everywhere.

The difference between Jews and other groups of victims is this: If gypsies, homosexuals, or Serbians were shown evidence that less of them died than they believe, they'd welcome the news. Only for traumatized Jews is it horrible news to hear of someone presenting evidence that less than 6 million Jews died during the Second World War.

For those who blindly believe in the sacred number, you need only watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

Tell that to Armenians, they must be really happy that Turks tell them that the Armenian genocide didn't exist.

[hdbuck]

hdbuck you don't seem to understand a few basic things :  me dumb evil

- Fighting doesn't necessarily imply physical violence, it means fighting in the sense "to counter", as simple as that violence is violence, whether physical or mental. its just harming people - the thing you dont understand is that by turning the other cheek, you actually break that vicious cycle that otherwise never ends

- Nope, that's catholic BS and that's why catholicism is dying as a religionwhy so much hate toward a religion that just humbly advocate peace?, because catholicism is bowing down to the evils of this world with this stupid motto that is "if your cheek is slapped then present them the other cheek (so that they can slap it even stronger)", this is carebearish idiocy and everyone now in this world that this doesn't work. If you're attacked then you counterattack, as simple as that, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a hand for a hand, a foot for a foot. seriously? what a nice religion you have (or actually an interpretation cuz thats just not how real jews behave). Me who though religion was supposed to help to find peace and reach spiritual happiness, so dumb

- To me zionism is simple patriotism, I'm a French patriot so logically I support zionism which is just a specific kind of patriotism which merely means "one land, one people". lmao, well, should there only be french people in france too? why dont you go back to isreal if you are so afraid of another holocaust? BTW according to real isreali people you are considered as cowards for not staying in Israel and hide in your precious little houses around the world. yup true story.

- Antifascists? Seriously you don't know what you're talking about, antifascists are as antisemites as neo-nazis overall in France, antifascists who support the socialist filth governement and make rampages in several cities. Antifascists are just as braindead as neonazis, the only difference is that the governement supports them so they're the good guys (Clément Méric for example) while the neonazis are the bad guys (Esteban Morillo), in fact they're just all in the same. They support islamic terror against what they call the "evil apartheid zionist regime of Israel". oh so now you are telling me that the people who allegedly gathered to fight supra nationalists neonazis are in fact antisemites too? what's their purpose then? why calling them antifachist if they are even more radical than the one they are supposingly fighting against?? Why wouldnt they just gather as one whole group if they think the same? hell, why not joining Alqaeda if they're all against the jews? ^^

- JDL is not a terrorist group, JDL is Jewish self-defense group, the guy who was terrorist is Victor Vancier but he's not a terrorist anymore and he's the leader of the JTF. duhhh

it was classified as "a right-wing terrorist group" by the FBI in 2001. According to the FBI, the JDL has been involved in plotting and executing acts of terrorism within the United States.

In the USA JDL is not even active anymore, the only thing they had was Camp Meir (kahane chai) a while ago : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLk32l_4VU re-duuhh - of course they arent active anymore in the US since they were banned for being terrorists:

In a 1986 study of domestic terrorism, the Department of Energy concluded: "For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States. [...] Since 1968, JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22. Thirty-nine percent of the targets were connected with the Soviet Union; 9 percent were Palestinian; 8 percent were Lebanese; 6 percent, Egyptian; 4 percent, French, Iranian, and Iraqi; 1 percent, Polish and German; and 23 percent were not connected with any states. Sixty-two percent of all JDL actions are directed against property; 30 percent against businesses; 4 percent against academics and academic institutions; and 2 percent against religious targets."

This is just self-defense like there are thousands of thousands of self defense centre all around the world teaching about fighting techniques, stop being paranoid okay...
Hopefully the section in France is still active with many self defense trainings and if you hate them then I suggest you to go to Rue des rosiers, quartier du marais in Paris and pass by for a little visit, they'll be glad to meet you.

hum check their logo dude, its has nothing to do with defense, all about attacking and throwing molov cocktails...

oh and care to explain me that ban from Israel too plz? ^^

yup, its pretty damn the far west in France ^^

Yeah and it's because of zionists? Riiiiiiiight. The reason why our country is fucked up has nothing to do with Jews or zionists, yeah some of our corrupted politicians are Jews, some are zionists but others are not and yet they're as corrupted as the others. And I completely despise Manuel Valls for what he did recently against Dieudonné. So now you dont like what happened to this Dieudonne guy? you were so proud in your sassy little threat in pm to say: "look how WE crushed him" ^^ oh and what did you mean by we? i thought it was the government that sanctionned him? why "we"? you part of government? ah i knew it! our republic is infiltrated by filthy zionists!

You know though I fight (not physically okay?) against the ideas of Dieudonné and his friends, I defend freedom of speech above all and I'm totally against any kind of censorship.
what freedom of speech? you come here yelling antisemites to our faces, bringing on that same speech about 6 millions deaths (whilst NOBODY actually said anything about that), employing extremely violent words such as "hunt down" "prosecute" "insane", sending me your threats via PM like the little coward you are, etc.. etc...

TL;DR, this topic is totally aberrant, the fact that MK is Jewish or not is totally irrelevant. Believe me, many Jews were also victim of his plan to run away with the coins, this has nothing to do with religion. hum the name of the topic doesnt imply such thing, just talking about if he is jewish or not. Why cant we discuss it especially when you have a documented proof that it was maybe a little bit more twisted than just being jewish. i believe it helps understand how desperate he actually was. just like you. But i dont hate him for that. i just wish you guys would open your eyes and heart.

He's just a mere computer geek who is just Jewish by the origins and atheist in the mind, he probably doesn't even care about his religion, he tried to connect back to Judaism when he went to Ashdod and it ended in being a complete failure. just go read his damned writings and see for yourself

Seriously i dont mean to be rude, but i'm tired of that constant hate you guys keeps on blindly bringing on. Thankfully not all jews thinks the same way you and MK do.
Although I really hope you could change your mind *again

PS: and i intentionally used the same vocabulary you do (ie. evil, insane, etc etc) to show you how it actually feels when being treated that way.

PPS: cant fight it boy, come join the awesome brotherhood of Mankind

[btcusury]

You know though I fight (not physically okay?) against the ideas of Dieudonné and his friends, I defend freedom of speech above all and I'm totally against any kind of censorship.

Wow! The chutzpah! Is it time to recite the Kol Nidre soon, renfr?

Now I'm evil?
I'm not brainwashed at all, no one except myself had influence on me and 6-7 years ago my thoughts were completely different.

You've been evil the whole time. You didn't answer the question: were you sent to reconstructed concentration camps in Poland when you were a child, like the Jewish children in Yoav Shamir's excellent documentary?

Tell that to Armenians, they must be really happy that Turks tell them that the Armenian genocide didn't exist.

Turks deny the Armenian genocide for chauvinistic/patriotic/cultural reasons -- i.e. because their government and media tell them that it wasn't a genocide, just casualties of war. The pan-Turkist brainwashing going on over there is not dissimilar to the American type, only a bit more obvious from a Western perspective. The ADL and other organized Jewish groups support the Turkish government's position because many of the Young Turks and Committee of Union and Progress party members who committed the genocide were Donmeh crypto-Jews from Salonika, and an investigation into the Armenian genocide would reveal this. An investigation (and resulting reparations) is unlikely to happen if the genocide is not internationally recognized.

Can you show me an Armenian who denounces someone investigating the genocide? I doubt this exists. But ask a single question about the Shoah and you'll receive threats from fanatical thugs like renfr. But he's "totally against any kind of censorship", he just wants you to "pay the price" for exercising your freedom of speech!

[hdbuck]

this thread has clearly degenerated from its original purpose which was to discuss Mark Karpeles & his behavior unbecoming of a person of the Jewish faith. Please stay on topic.

there's nothing to add. MK is a fanatic jewish like our fellow renfr here. did his misbehavior regarding gox was because of being jewish? nope. but he clearly had a wicked way to interprete and live his religion. And his beliefs points the fact that he's probably remorseless. - just like our fellow renfr here when he talks about nuking the whole damn world.

[renfr]

- It's not mental violence, it's called justice, oh poor criminals who are victims of mental violence for being prosecuted, I pity them! 
- Catholicism is more than advocating peace, "turn the other cheek" basically means that you submit to the attacker, this is beyond peace, there's a time for peace and there's a time for self-defense. Other christians didn't follow these principles and that's why orthodoxy and protestantism are still saying strong.
- an eye for an eye is not religious, it's just a normal moral standard, yes we advocate peace but if you attack us then don't expect that we turn the other cheek, we'll counterattack more than proportionally to your attack
- Israel is not my country, I'm French, France is my country, some Jews decide to make Aliyah and live in Israel, others don't, there are 7.5 million Jews in the US (more than Israel) and most of them don't want to leave the US, it's their nation, I merely support the Jews who live in Israel to have their nation and their state. In a world where anything can justify pogroms against jews Israel is needed, everytime something goes wrong there's always a nutjob coming and telling us "it's the Jews!".
- because antifascists and neonazis may have antisemitism in common but they don't have many other aspects of their ideology in common, it's like shias and sunnis, they all hate Israel and the jews yet they kill each other because they're not of the same branch
- this wasn't really terrorism, it was just an act of self defense against antisemites, the JDL is just telling antisemites that there's no place in this world in where they can just spew out their hatred and rest comfortably, they'll be always hunted down like we hunted the last nazis before they die. To each crime, a punishment is deserved, the JDL makes sure that this rule is enforced.
I know you're going to call me violent for saying that again but it's the mere truth.
- I am for the freedom of expression of Dieudonné however for each antisemitic act he commits he's warned that he'll pay the consequences for it
- Mark wrote that when he was in Israel, more than 8 years ago, it was during his period in which he was trying to find his identity, there's an excellent article about his story where he leaves France for Israel because he doesn't feel like at home and when he comes to Israel he doesn't feel like at home either hence why he flew to Japan where apparently he declares to feel at home.
2006 was when he was in Ashdod and when he wrote this article, he was likely trying to find into his jewish roots but he failed to do so, now as I said he's just a computer geek who doesn't care about religion anymore, he probably cares more about anime, kawaii and cosplay

Seriously i dont mean to be rude, but i'm tired of that constant hate you guys keeps on blindly bringing on. Thankfully not all jews thinks the same way you and MK do.
Although I really hope you could change your mind *again

PS: and i intentionally used the same vocabulary you do (ie. evil, insane, etc etc) to show you how it actually feels when being treated that way.

PPS: cant fight it boy, come join the awesome brotherhood of Mankind Cheesy

I am not hateful. I kept discussing during all this thread peacefully without any kind of animosity.

You've been evil the whole time. You didn't answer the question: were you sent to reconstructed concentration camps in Poland when you were a child, like the Jewish children in Yoav Shamir's excellent documentary?

No, why is that?

Can you show me an Armenian who denounces someone investigating the genocide? I doubt this exists. But ask a single question about the Shoah and you'll receive threats from fanatical thugs like renfr. But he's "totally against any kind of censorship", he just wants you to "pay the price" for exercising your freedom of speech!

Lots of people investigated the holocaust, many experts, historians, etc... none of them were hindered in their actions so I don't see what you're talking about.
The problem is not with investigating on the holocaust but the problem is with those who bluntly deny the holocaust without any tangible proof.
More than 4.5 million people were declared on the biographical lists (http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en) of the Yad Vashem, these people never existed right?

[leopard2]

You see the problem I have is this. In Germany, and elsewhere too, you have to believe in the Holocaust by law.

You are not even allowed to compare numbers. If you would say something like, Stalin killed 20 mio, Holocaust was only X mio, even that would be illegal.

Now I ask you: When in history was it necessary to protect a commonly known truth by law? In the middle ages you were killed if you said, the earth is a sphere, and so on. Today if you say, the earth is flat, you will not go to jail because everyone knows this is bullshit.

Personally I do believe in the Holocaust, although I also believe it has been massively leveraged to make money.

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

Thomas Jefferson

So renfr what do you think, is it good when governments try to control our minds?

[btcusury]

Exactly. Truth doesn't need laws to protect it. When legislation is created to silence those who dig deeper into supposed "historical fact", you can be 100% certain that a major lie is being presented as unquestionable truth.

It is also a fact that 99.99% of those who declare to "believe in the Holocaust" (same goes for many other historical events, BTW) have not looked into the other side's argument.

[leopard2]

you cannot deny there was a Holocaust at all

yet it seems that it is used for fingerpointing by some. Bad people use it to distract from their own crimes.

Like USA. They have killed millions of American Natives. In fact that was the worst genocide ever. Israel deserves to exist, but with the same logic all Americans should have returned the continent to the Natives!!!!!!!!!!!

In which case Germany would have won WW2

And no one would have to be scared of the Samson Option!!!    Sorry for being cynical ...

[btcusury]

you cannot deny there was a Holocaust at all

Of course you can. And it should be perfectly fine to you. If it's as true as you believe it is, then why would you care what someone says? The truth stands on its own, as you said. Replace the word "Holocaust" with "God" and you could be someone living a few hundred years ago, when denying the existence of God would be met with reactions similar to the one I'm quoting above.

yet it seems that it is used for fingerpointing by some. Bad people use it to distract from their own crimes.

And to confer eternal victim status. And to extort and squeeze Germany and emotionally manipulate the whole planet into waging war against "the new Hitler" (be it Ahmadinejad, Assad, Gaddafi, ...). It's also used to scam people (including actual Jewish WWII victims) in innumerable ways. Check out the work of Norman Finkelstein if you want to know.

Like USA. They have killed millions of American Natives. In fact that was the worst genocide ever. Israel deserves to exist, but with the same logic all Americans should have returned the continent to the Natives!!!!!!!!!!!

The worst genocide ever was the transatlantic slave trade, followed by Mao's genocide of the Chinese. There have been many genocides worse (by numbers) than the one we hear so much about, but none of them are being used to justify war, nor are people deprived of their freedom for "denying" (presenting evidence that contradicts the established story, or even just questioning) any genocide other than the Sacred Six Million one. And as you can prove to yourself with this video, there's a reason I use the term "Sacred Six Million".

[leopard2]

I meant worst, measured by land taken - a whole continent.

[Bit_Happy]

Is Mark Karpeles Jewish? [serious]

Is Jewish [serious] somehow different from regular Jews?   
I don't really think his religion matters, also surely someone must have mentioned Bernie (almost) MadeOff was Jewish.

[itsunderstood]

Why don't you people stick to discussing Moses?  That's where the real moneyball is at.  All this is just some back and forth bs, you too hdbuck, both of you are just facing each other in a maelstrom.

Would Moses as Pharaoh have eliminated debt via the concept of jubilee?  That is the only question to ask.  The answer is yes, and talmud violates that, and talmud is anti-Moses.

[Eeminia]

There should be no racial discrimination 
no matter what type man he were, I didn't think he have better morals.

[hdbuck]

There should be no racial discrimination  
no matter what type man he were, I didn't think he have better morals.

im gonna repost this:

search for "mark karpeles dijon" in pdf...

->http://dspace.lafayette.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10385/845/Weiner-SupplementtoanUncertainFutureII-2013.pdf?sequence=4

Judeo-Christian Friendship
Sister Odile’s Conference: The Language of Anti-Semitism
Karpeles, Mark. "Amitié judéo-chrétienne. Conférence de Sœur Odile: Le langage de l’antisémitisme." Mazal Tov 39 (2006): 23.

I have been subjected to anti-Semitism since my birth. And not only me. My parents, my family,
my friends, my cousins, people that I love, people that I don’t love, and even people in general,
people that I have never met or I have simply come across by chance. This long list and the
frequent cases of anti-Semitism have convinced me that anti-Semitism is feebleminded and to an
extent even ridiculous.
I could not possibly take Hitler seriously.
Sister Odile gave a long, detailed overview of anti-Judaism throughout the ages, with all
its different names: anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, negationism. She underlined the different
connotations of these names from a religious and racial point of view and also as a means of
denying responsibility.
Sister Odile demonstrated extraordinary erudition, comprehensive, profound, and
extensive. Her expression consists of clear thoughts and simple language, which can inform
everyone about an unbelievable number of events, all presented in a clear way.
I personally knew about most of those events, but their juxtaposition and arrangement
presented a totally different picture of the puzzle, much more comprehensive than the one
presented by the small separate pieces.
It captured the big picture in its totality!
I have realized that the anti-Semites are fooled into believing such things, but I’m far
from thinking but I hardly thought that their foolishness and aberration could go to such an
extent: the disdain and disavowal of the Jewish origins of Jesus, who was himself a Rabbi, are
really stupefying. The treatment that Marie has to endure is no better. Poor Mayane! Poor
Myriam!
Moreover, she has to suffer a temporal distortion because some people call her “The
daughter of Palestine” even though Palestine didn’t exist until a century later; instead it existed
as a Roman province before becoming a Turkish province, under the name Division of Gaza (the
name Palestine was revived by mistake by the English in the 20th century, as part of their
imperialist acts.)
I was scandalized by the number of linguistic errors, completely ignorant of Judaism, and
a pejorative tone used to multiply the textual mistranslations of the Torah and the Gospels:
- “Misery to the Philistines!” instead of “The Miserable Philistines!”
- Introduction of the adjective “perfidious.”
- Transformation of the word “keren” (loop, beam, crown) into “horn” so that horned
Moses evokes a satanic figure.
Above all, I have learned that anti-Semitism was born the same moment as was
monotheism. This helped me find the answer to the question that I have always asked: “Why
anti-Semitism?”
If anti-Semitism came into being at the same time as monotheism, namely in the moment
when the Alliance between God and the Jews was concluded, then it is the response of the Evil
Forces to this Covenant.
Anti-Semitism is the response of Evil Forces to the Alliance between God and Man.
Indeed it has all the characteristics of evil: stupidity, absurdity, and defeat!
The Forces of Evil use anti-Semitism in their attempt to destroy the Covenant between
God and Man.

Mark Karpeles

edit: also : https://web.archive.org/web/20090313082559/http://blog.magicaltux.net/

Gaza, Israël and all those things you hear on news
January 14th, 2009
If you’re reading this blog, you probably also read news, and maybe you were there when I first talked about Gaza, Israël, and all those things you hear or read on the news.

So, you know the conflict is back, is now labelled as a war, and is going nicely since December 27th. Gaza keeps firing rockets and mortar on Israël, and Israël’s army keeps advancing in Gaza with the goal of stopping attacks.

Today, the number of casualties reached the value of 1000 death in Gaza (while it’s still written that this number is not confirmed by any external source, it still seems plausible).

Ok, so now I’ll provide answers for five questions I hear everyday, I’ll try to stay as impartial as possible, but since I have friends in Israël and I lived there for a few months, I might not be totally impartial. I’m warning you now, so you know in advance, and read this document while you know about this.

Israël is killing, and keeps killing civilians, while Gaza/Hamas killed mostly military men.
Technically, attacks against Israël is not done by an army, so attacking those people means you’ll end killing “civilians”. They are usually labelled “terrorists”, however you might want to think that the children/women killed were not all terrorists. You are probably right, but still again, when you have civilian-looking terrorists hiding in a civilian-looking place, it becomes quite tricky.
Now, the amount of casualties is pretty high, while it seems attacks against Israël didn’t fall, so I believe lots of blood have been wasted there.
Who is winning the war?
In recent wars, the one who “wins” as you could think, is the one who gets attacked. As long as Israël is getting hit from Gaza, it can say there are “bad boys” there that needs to be punished, and keep attacking. The same is also true in the other side, as long as Gaza keeps being attacked by Israël, Hamas can continue firing rockets.
The next point is making this sound better. You need quite a lot of marketting to make you looks like “the good guy” in a war. For now I’d say that Hamas looks like the “bad guy” because of previous marketting (labelled as a “terror organisation”, etc) while Israël started an all-out war, then gave some “bits” to show they are the “good guys”.
Now, everything depends on your definition of “winning a war”, however nowaday, “winning a war” meaning having most other countries recognizing you as the winner.
Why is the political pressure on Israël to stop the war having no effect?
The fact USA is not following is having a strong impact against any attempt to stop the war. Hamas also showed they don’t want to stop the war at all costs by refusing the cease fire proposed one week earlier. I’ve also read in a previous article from BBC News that Hamas was “about to win the war”, and just needed a few more days.
How could Hamas win the war?
I personally believe the only way for Hamas to win against Israël’s well-trained army is to stop firing rockets. Any other kind of threat will cause a strong international reaction, and probably the apparition of other armies (I’m looking at America right now).
If Hamas stops rocket firing, Israël’s army will have no more a valid reason for killing civilians, and will have to fall back and explain all deaths since the conflict started. Arrived at this point, rocket/mortar firing can resume for a few months before another military operation will be possible.
Of course, that would require for Hamas to be able to pass orders, and its followers to accept such order. I don’t know how they are organised, but this kind of order is usually hard to accept.
How could Israël win the war?
A war against an ideology is not something you can win easily. I’m not even sure you can win at all.
If you exterminate anyone following the ideoligy, you’ll be a “bad guy”. If you don’t, they’ll still taunt you.
Currently, Israël seems to be taking the “average” route, by attacking “all out”, then opening things like a daily truce of a few hours, etc… They are maintaining publicity for the military operations this way, and keep attacking to try to demotivate attackers. While this will have an effect on most people attacking Israël, it’ll still have the reverse effect on some of them, who will begin/continue firing rockets and running operations against Israël.
So, are you saying this war has no permanent way of ending?

If you see any viable long-term option for this conflict, speak it out. I believe if an easy solution existed, it would already be found and applied, however things are not that easy.
Let’s remember that Israël is a country initially imposed on existing countries of the area in 1947 and declared its independence on May 14, 1948.
Of course, if at some point someone else told you you will have to share your hourse with someone else, you wouldn’t be really happy. That was the case for the countries located at the place which became the first Jewish state, and they showed it. In return Israël also attacked, and won more territories than initially planned.

Since those conflicts are barely 50 years old (and not all), the place is quite unstable, and wars are easily started. Everyone has a reason for fighting, however the context has changed. How your country is seen by other countries became important for international market, and as I previously said, the winner will be chosen for its marketting effort. Even countries like Notrth Korea did some (temporary) efforts to fix the way they were seen by other countries and try to resume commercial exchange with their neighbors.

bullish?!  

its not racial discrimination. its ideological..

[AT101ET]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

[hdbuck]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he considers himself above it all. people had it coming.
Lots of lulz screwing the gentils.

[AT101ET]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he consider himself above it all. people had it coming.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

[hdbuck]

How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he consider himself above it all. people had it coming.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

yup i hear you. this subject is very sensitive. but it doesnt make it less real. there's a simple word for this: zionism.
which is no religion. nor race. its an ideology, as i mentioned before.

just wanted to make things clear. rational. peace.

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How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he consider himself above it all. people had it coming.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

yup i hear you. this subject is very sensitive. but it doesnt make it less real. there's a simple word for this: zionism.
which is no religion. nor race. its an ideology, as i mentioned before.

just wanted to make things clear. rational. peace.

I don't want to drag myself into this but how exactly is Zionism to blame for pulling off a big scam?
In my opinion this just looks like an excuse to hide baseless anti Semitism. Every time something happens the world blames Zionism with no real reason why.
Seems like people just use it as a cover up.

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How does that make it ideological?
makib judgements based on his religion (in this case not chosen but by birth) is definitley racial discrimination/hatred/prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

im making judgement based on his interpretation of a religion. just like disliking jihadist for their actions too. its not being racist. its being objective.
read the guy's victimaire hateful words. no wonder he screwed us (well, not me). he consider himself above it all. people had it coming.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you can't blame what he did based on his religion. He just obviously lacked morals. As far as I know his religion doesn't preach to hate. I believe his views were subjective and his personal beliefs. I do bt want to get into a religious debate but just trying to keep this conversation civilised.

yup i hear you. this subject is very sensitive. but it doesnt make it less real. there's a simple word for this: zionism.
which is no religion. nor race. its an ideology, as i mentioned before.

just wanted to make things clear. rational. peace.

I don't want to drag myself into this but how exactly is Zionism to blame for pulling off a big scam?
In my opinion this just looks like an excuse to hide baseless anti Semitism. Every time something happens the world blames Zionism with no real reason why.
Seems like people just use it as a cover up.

meh im not gonna enumerate the countless bad things zionism has done or provided with moral support. God's chosen people? sounds a bit supremacist to me personally.
+ jewish friends of mine agree that it is not antisemitism that nurtures from zionism, but quite the contrary.
hence, people falling for that crap are the ones being antisemitic (whatever that word means actually), since they are the ones endangering the rest of their community.