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yaronidon
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for mining BBP you getting 3 others coins = Byteball and DCC and NEUMANNIUM (ANN)
can you please explain how to get DCC rewards on boinc ? is it using grcpool ? |
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despite that, I would propose something along the lines of:
1. Don't vote for your own proposals (or if you must limit to 5? votes)
2. Limit voting on general proposals to less than 10% of the "Active" masternodes. Especially #1. In the past, some sloppy proposals were added that were half baked without any pre-proposal discussions. Its up to the proposer to mend this, but its up to him/her whether they want a pre-proposal discussion. I will say though that the content of what you vote should not change for the duration of the proposal. It comes off as amateurish and careless when the content of a proposal morphing on a daily basis. This is why the pre-proposal discussion is important to realize the different points of view and re-work your proposal with those considerations in mind. If we continue using forum.biblepay.org, I'm really against amendments... but if the proposal needs to be revised, it could be amended at the end explain why it is being revised. Or use another system altogether where revision history and discussion are available without having to register new accounts and the usual facebook, google, twitter, github, etc logins are already supported. Agreed.... I would like to see more "Pre-Proposals" an informal poll before we start down the path of a new feature. (or if we need a formal vote, lets do this prior to starting work as just a "should we evaluate it further") |
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thesnat21
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September 20, 2018, 10:50:51 AM |
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for mining BBP you getting 3 others coins = Byteball and DCC and NEUMANNIUM (ANN)
can you please explain how to get DCC rewards on boinc ? is it using grcpool ? I think he is referring to what used to be called "Sparc" https://alpha.sparc.network/index.html their coin is now DCC but i don't know of any place that trades the tokens yet |
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I agree this is concerning, I wonder why he made it, hopefully he will explain. It changed yesterday but nobody was notified... Thanks for keeping an eye on the wiki for us! |
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September 20, 2018, 02:40:07 PM |
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for mining BBP you getting 3 others coins = Byteball and DCC and NEUMANNIUM (ANN)
can you please explain how to get DCC rewards on boinc ? is it using grcpool ? I think he is referring to what used to be called "Sparc" https://alpha.sparc.network/index.html their coin is now DCC but i don't know of any place that trades the tokens yet And keep in mind that WCG rewards haven't worked since the privacy laws went into effect. So, the system is what it is as they have no intention in fixing the Alpha portion. There is also no guarantee how much longer the Alpha will continue. Here is my how to though if you need it. https://hardforum.com/threads/how-to-get-sparc-during-the-alpha-phase-using-boinc.1953164/Also, keep in mind that there are a hand full of projects that were on the list that are now closed. |
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September 20, 2018, 10:02:22 PM |
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for mining BBP you getting 3 others coins = Byteball and DCC and NEUMANNIUM (ANN)
Hey. Tell me how to get these coins? The BBP has finally begun to be mined. Before that, for some reason, they did not add, although I did everything according to the instructions. In a day they began to be mined. |
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September 21, 2018, 12:11:59 AM |
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for mining BBP you getting 3 others coins = Byteball and DCC and NEUMANNIUM (ANN)
Hey. Tell me how to get these coins? The BBP has finally begun to be mined. Before that, for some reason, they did not add, although I did everything according to the instructions. In a day they began to be mined. BBP has been mined since July of 2017. As far as Byteball, DCC and Nuemannium, there are good guides out there for the first and third if you google (I don't have the links very handy at the moment) and the middle one (DCC formerly known as SPARC) is at https://alpha.sparc.network/index.html. All three work although there is no market I'm aware of for SPARC, and the only market for Nuemannium is through the WAVES wallet trading, which you can only trade NEU for WAVES...and it's not worth very much at all. |
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September 21, 2018, 12:37:05 AM |
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Glad I was there during the first announcement of Biblepay and actually participated through it's success. I'm feeling so stupid to sell off all my biblepay coins that I got in mining for cheap. Biblepay has been successful to distinguish it as a useful coin and have it's mark on the cryptosphere.
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September 21, 2018, 05:27:20 AM |
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for mining BBP you getting 3 others coins = Byteball and DCC and NEUMANNIUM (ANN)
can you please explain how to get DCC rewards on boinc ? is it using grcpool ? I think he is referring to what used to be called "Sparc" https://alpha.sparc.network/index.html their coin is now DCC but i don't know of any place that trades the tokens yet And keep in mind that WCG rewards haven't worked since the privacy laws went into effect. So, the system is what it is as they have no intention in fixing the Alpha portion. There is also no guarantee how much longer the Alpha will continue. Here is my how to though if you need it. https://hardforum.com/threads/how-to-get-sparc-during-the-alpha-phase-using-boinc.1953164/Also, keep in mind that there are a hand full of projects that were on the list that are now closed. SPARC=DCC working= rewards is every friday |
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SVK Noko
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September 21, 2018, 08:16:36 AM |
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Yes I think QT was an idea without any concrete specification. There were many questions on the table regarding this. As usuall without any relevant answer. Author thinks that this could increase demand after BBP but its mistake. We still have a free market that would also advise on this speculation very well. |
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thesnat21
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September 21, 2018, 08:48:44 AM |
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Yes I think QT was an idea without any concrete specification. There were many questions on the table regarding this. As usuall without any relevant answer. Author thinks that this could increase demand after BBP but its mistake. We still have a free market that would also advise on this speculation very well. I'll reply to both of you at the same time. Yes, I was a bit disappointed to see the thread disappear. He has also withdrawn the actual proposal as well, so I suppose it's fair. Perhaps the issue will come up again later and can actually be discussed. |
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zthomasz
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September 21, 2018, 02:02:35 PM |
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Yes, I was a bit disappointed to see the thread disappear. He has also withdrawn the actual proposal as well, so I suppose it's fair.
Perhaps the issue will come up again later and can actually be discussed.
Rob posted on 9/18 about cancelling QT and closing the thread, which I consider his good intention to do what's best for the project & community.I will close the QT thread and cancel QT.
Let's start over in a non-toxic environment going forward.
Rob's house burned down recently so I'm sure he's busy with other important things at the moment. He'll be back soon. In the meantime I suggest we propose a solution to the MN-whale-vote issue.
Here are the basics of what we have so far ...Let's put our heads together and come up with a reasonable limit on the number of votes that any multiple MN owner casts for a proposal. The vote-limit number can be based on a percentage of the total voting MNs.
While the number of votes would be limited for each MN owner, they could still continue to own as many MNs as they choose.
Since there probably is no way to enforce compliance for every current or future MN whale, this would be a voluntary limit with compliance overseen by the community. We ultimately have to rely on the Lord for a good outcome. As long as we do His will, we will be successful.
despite that, I would propose something along the lines of:
1. Don't vote for your own proposals (or if you must limit to 5? votes)
2. Limit voting on general proposals to less than 10% of the "Active" masternodes. Especially #1. In the past, some sloppy proposals were added that were half baked without any pre-proposal discussions. Its up to the proposer to mend this, but its up to him/her whether they want a pre-proposal discussion. I will say though that the content of what you vote should not change for the duration of the proposal. It comes off as amateurish and careless when the content of a proposal morphing on a daily basis. This is why the pre-proposal discussion is important to realize the different points of view and re-work your proposal with those considerations in mind. If we continue using forum.biblepay.org, I'm really against amendments... but if the proposal needs to be revised, it could be amended at the end explain why it is being revised. Or use another system altogether where revision history and discussion are available without having to register new accounts and the usual facebook, google, twitter, github, etc logins are already supported. |
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September 21, 2018, 04:18:48 PM |
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Does anyone want to add anything?
Seems almost a moot point if Governance of the forthcoming BiblePay Foundation will be based on masternodes. |
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thesnat21
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September 21, 2018, 05:02:00 PM |
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It's not live yet... I don't know when this will be updated |
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September 21, 2018, 05:04:10 PM |
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thesnat21 would know exact count, but I think Rob voted using many of your masternodes to approve his proposal. so, right now, he has 80+ masternodes so any proposals he makes, he can pass with his masternodes. not everyone votes, so this makes it easy for him to vote with fewer masternodes and still have proposal pass. you only need 10% yes to pass. so if there are 380 masternodes, you need net yes vote of 38. right now, it is 42 so this proposal will be approved unless the votes change.  maybe in the future, it makes sense for devs to send proposal for specific work they plan to do. if it is a big feature it should be discussed before hand and a separate proposal made. so, there's a delay of 30 days maybe, but it would give time for discussion to see if it is something people want. right now, devs do whatever they want even if the community thinks its a bad idea. even if you put it to a vote, rob with 80+ masternodes means anything he wants will pass... so he just does the work he wants even before a proposal passes. i can appreciate this slows does coding because you have discussion beforehand, but isn't consensus more important than just making new features? in a way, its good for dev too because you can plan out your work one month in advance and maybe spend time with family or do other stuff in between. |
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thesnat21
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September 21, 2018, 06:27:13 PM |
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thesnat21 would know exact count, but I think Rob voted using many of your masternodes to approve his proposal. so, right now, he has 80+ masternodes so any proposals he makes, he can pass with his masternodes. not everyone votes, so this makes it easy for him to vote with fewer masternodes and still have proposal pass. you only need 10% yes to pass. so if there are 380 masternodes, you need net yes vote of 38. right now, it is 42 so this proposal will be approved unless the votes change. maybe in the future, it makes sense for devs to send proposal for specific work they plan to do. if it is a big feature it should be discussed before hand and a separate proposal made. so, there's a delay of 30 days maybe, but it would give time for discussion to see if it is something people want. right now, devs do whatever they want even if the community thinks its a bad idea. even if you put it to a vote, rob with 80+ masternodes means anything he wants will pass... so he just does the work he wants even before a proposal passes. i can appreciate this slows does coding because you have discussion beforehand, but isn't consensus more important than just making new features? in a way, its good for dev too because you can plan out your work one month in advance and maybe spend time with family or do other stuff in between. I believe voting is closed for this superblock cycle... Rob will announce when the change will take effect. |
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September 21, 2018, 07:45:20 PM |
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Does anyone want to add anything?
Seems almost a moot point if Governance of the forthcoming BiblePay Foundation will be based on masternodes. We'll let Rob explain the change from directors to sanctuaries for the foundation, but I suggest we complete our "true case for an improvement" for the MN-vote issue and give it to him for feedback. We've got the basics in place, is there anything else to consider? |
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