Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements

[o_e_l_e_o]

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I also think the requirement for signatures should be changed to earned merit rather than total merit at some point down the line. This post by Vod shows just the tip of the iceberg - hundreds, if not thousands, of legendary members who are spammers and have earned zero merit. Is anyone able to get an exact figure on the number of Junior Members and higher that have earned zero merit?

[Joel_Jantsen]

I also think the requirement for signatures should be changed to earned merit rather than total merit at some point down the line.

You sure we won't be missing out on the members who actually have a great post quality but remain unmerited? Look at the merit stats, see the sections where most of the merit goes and you'd be surprised if not disappointed. I honestly wouldn't just accept a member in a signature campaign just because they have high merits. I will still examine the post quality and see the sections they're most active in. Of course, Meta/Off-topic/Local -Boards wouldn't count.

[Little Mouse]

To draw the attention of sources of merit to a good post, where to can I write in this case?

I am sharing my story only.
I registered here before the new 1 merit requirement but I was not active. The day I returned I saw lots of people were complaining about the new system. However, I didn't have any intention of gaining merit. I was reading an article posted by a newbie and I felt I read it somewhere else. At last, I found the original link and made comment here with the link. After a couple of minutes, I realized I got a merit. I had no intention of achieving merit but I got one from my 2nd post here.
Moral of the story- Don't run after merit, rather engage with people with meaningful posts. You will get merit automatically.

[o_e_l_e_o]

You sure we won't be missing out on the members who actually have a great post quality but remain unmerited?

Are there really legendary members with great post quality who have been unable to earn a single merit? Or would be unable to earn 10 for that matter? I'm completely happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken, I just haven't seen any.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Moral of the story- Don't run after merit, rather engage with people with meaningful posts. You will get merit automatically.

I’m sure many won’t read the "meaningful posts" part and go straight for the "automatically", even taking the latter literately...

[Joel_Jantsen]

You sure we won't be missing out on the members who actually have a great post quality but remain unmerited?

Are there really legendary members with great post quality who have been unable to earn a single merit? Or would be unable to earn 10 for that matter? I'm completely happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken, I just haven't seen any.

My post was intended for all the ranks in general and not just legendary. Take this member for instance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1777865 his post quality is way better than most of the legendaries with high merits. He has received just 1 merit... This is exactly what I'm trying to address here. Having great quality posts doesn't necessarily mean you'd have high merits.

[o_e_l_e_o]

My post was intended for all the ranks in general and not just legendary. Take this member for instance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1777865 his post quality is way better than most of the legendaries with high merits. He has received just 1 merit... This is exactly what I'm trying to address here. Having great quality posts doesn't necessarily mean you'd have high merits.

That's fair. As you say, his post quality is way above the usual spammer, and I don't think he would have any trouble earning some merits if he stopped shilling whatever the hell "Zeitcoin" is in every post.

However, I still think we need to address higher ranked spammers in one way or another.

[JayJuanGee]

If the administration did not want this, then it would prohibit the execution of the signature on the forum. this would immediately solve all the issues. but this does not happen.

I actually think this should happen. I wouldn't mind the least bit if signatures disappeared tomorrow. Stopping Newbies from wearing sigs is the next best compromise.

I agree with every single point that you made nutildah in the above-linked post, except this one.

You seem to be conceding too much to Uesly_Future because the forum is NOT going down the road of getting rid of signatures or signature campaigns, and the forum seems to have allowed for the adoption of this dynamic, which ends up making it a unique place in the way that it attempts to balance matters while allowing the experimentation (in practice) of signatures to continue into the foreseeable future.  Maybe some day signature campaigns will be reigned in a bit more, but they do seem to cause a certain kind of balancing challenge for forum mods and administrators that is a chosen route forward.

Personally, I discontinued with my participation in signature campaigns because I was beginning to find them to be too much of a burden for me as compared to what I was getting paid, yet I can understand why a variety of members might want to continue to attempt to participate in them, and hopefully, not devolve the quality of their posting just to attain their required posting quota.

[Mishnagan22]

I agree with you, but sometimes I get confused. At example, you wrote a great and quality post in detail, but it received no merit. At the same time, post below, where we write something like:" I fully agree with the opinion above, Bla Bla Bla, etc..." or any other set of words, repeating posts in the topic, only his/er own words, and this post get a merit and me case it's a shame for my efforts.

Can you quote what post you've been talking about? I saw that you posted mostly on your local board and that isn't prohibited however it's rarely merited. Maybe you made an effort to create a post written in english but this doesn't mean that it can be merited. On a contrary, it looks like spam and shitpost so it doesn't deserve any.

Sometimes short and straight forward posts are enough as long as its make sense.

Don't push to hard to earn merit, it will just look like a rubbish.

For example, my post in local topic (Sorry, I don't know, you understand Russian or not.):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030499.msg45855890#msg45855890

And the next post after mine, where written almost the same idea, besides post wrote pretty simple, and this post looks like "Shitpost", recieves a Merit.

I write in English topics not for "pushing to hard", but just for improve my communicating skills on English language.

[Little Mouse]

And the next post after mine, where written almost the same idea, besides post wrote pretty simple, and this post looks like "Shitpost", recieves a Merit.

It was not same idea. I have translated (With Google Translator) and got nothing same between two.
You have shared the problems and thoughts on how can get merit and the next person shared what he/demoted member faced after the new system. In my opinion, no one deserves to be merited but it depends on various person's thoughts. Also, it can be abused too.

[Mishnagan22]

And the next post after mine, where written almost the same idea, besides post wrote pretty simple, and this post looks like "Shitpost", recieves a Merit.

It was not same idea. I have translated (With Google Translator) and got nothing same between two.
You have shared the problems and thoughts on how can get merit and the next person shared what he/demoted member faced after the new system. In my opinion, no one deserves to be merited but it depends on various person's thoughts. Also, it can be abused too.

Sorry, but the Google Translator very bad for Russian translating))) I tried to translate better for you understanding.

My post:
"You ask a question for what this innovation was made? A good example of what it is a branch of "Beginners". Virtually every new topic have a stupid copypasted content, like: "Which coin will give a profit?", "Tell me what to take to buy Lambo?""When to the moon?", "I believe that the Bitcoin  in October/December/January will cost 20000/30000/50000 dollars", and such posts percent 95% of the total mass of messages. Naturally, to limit shitposting, such restrictions will be necessary. In fact, all Newbee’s just write useless phrases in a random topic to increase until Junior, as I understand it, for signature campaigns. But here's the point: the conditions of the signature camp also in the bulk suggest a minimum number of messages per day, and in most campaigns there are no requirements for the content of the post, but only to the number of characters. And what do we have at the end? Yes, all the same shitposting, with the only difference that the messages are writted  to get more stakes in the campaign.

My opinion is that to improve the quality of the information field of the BTT forum as a whole, first off all, you need to start from signature campaigns, so that stakes are not given for the number of characters in post, but for really useful information that would really benefits."

And the next post:
"I think these rules are of course useful in General for the forum. There will be more constructive and meaningful posts to raise the rank of participants in the bounty companies for some time will be less.
But to those forum users who have reached Junior and just quietly worked is not quite fair. Many people spend a lot of time participating in social media or creating videos and articles and can get nothing for their work. I agree that it would be possible to apply this measure to those who have just been registered.
On the other hand, sudden changes suggest that you can never stand still and constantly evolve!"

[stompix]

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For example, my post in local topic (Sorry, I don't know, you understand Russian or not.):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030499.msg45855890#msg45855890

And the next post after mine, where written almost the same idea, besides post wrote pretty simple, and this post looks like "Shitpost", recieves a Merit.

I write in English topics not for "pushing to hard", but just for improve my communicating skills on English language.

The one that awarded him merit is a clear case of merit abuse.
He also sent this guy 5 merits for this and even google translate screams shitpost.

It seems half of your posts are made on boards I have on ignore and I really can't really make anything out of Russian text.
Just keep posting for a day or two and I promise I'll look once more at your post history and award you some merit if you deserve it.

[DeepestOnion]

<...> Well, a message with zero words is really minimalistic indeed. I wonder if there are other gifs with zero words which which have got merited. <...>

Here’s an example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg31165706#msg31165706. It’s jpg, but serves the purpose, and it got 14 sMerits. The referenced thread is rather prolific with these, but it is a rather particular ecosystem.

OK, I thought I had seen all in this forum but THIS...
Until now I have been generally positive about the merit system - even though it is not very favourable for me personally, but I can live with that - I thought it would really help the forum by separating quality from garbage.
But then... you have posted this.

[coinlocket$]

OK, I thought I had seen all in this forum but THIS...
Until now I have been generally positive about the merit system - even though it is not very favourable for me personally, but I can live with that - I thought it would really help the forum by separating quality from garbage.
But then... you have posted this.

The wall observer is a community in its own, it's more like a sub-forum of the forum.
It is an entity in itself that does not closely reflect the forum, you will find people who have been posting to each other for several years and who only look at that forum's thread.
 o not pay much attention to what's going on inside it, its a world apart.

[bitsnack]

Thanks Theymos, this will for sure limit the spam posters quite a bit!

Thanks for all your hard work. 

i am so sad when i from jr member to newbie,I tried to get merit but i am not succesd in past

Just post quality posts, and it will come to you

Now I am unable to continue my work because being a Newbie I can't post any image in the forum and I think this is unfair.

How can you not continue your work? Not being able to post images is fine.. just post a image link..

As a Legendary, can I pay the fee and to be a Copper member?

Haha, what is the point? It will give you no benefits.

P. S: I will appreciate if I can get a merit from anyone, at least to keep my bounty task going.. Thanks in advance 😊

You get Merit by posting high quality posts, not begging for it.

Many of these limitations can be eliminated with a copper membership. In particular, you can set a signature at Member level if you wear a copper membership.

I want to know when is the copper membership will expire ?

Copper Membership is permanent.

[Crypto Girl]

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For example, my post in local topic (Sorry, I don't know, you understand Russian or not.):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030499.msg45855890#msg45855890

And the next post after mine, where written almost the same idea, besides post wrote pretty simple, and this post looks like "Shitpost", recieves a Merit.

I write in English topics not for "pushing to hard", but just for improve my communicating skills on English language.

Yes and I got your point. Maybe it will be better to spare from using google translator as it just ruined your thoughts. I will be happy seeing you constructing a sentence on your own, it might be hard at first but I'm sure that you can get along with it. And the merit issue was already addressed by stompix.

The one that awarded him merit is a clear case of merit abuse.
He also sent this guy 5 merits for this and even google translate screams shitpost.

[Tannah]

P.S. I copied all of the signatures and personal texts before wiping them from the demoted users. If bounty managers need info about this, send me a PM like "Please send me a list of all demoted users who had '_______' in their signature".

Speaking of which, I'm a Bounty Manager coming to the end of current campaign, and about to kick off a new campaign with a separate group.
I've also been recently made a Community Manager for Red Pulse, and I've just started assisting on their thread only to find I've been demoted from Jr to Newbie.
It's a bit embarrassing and frustrating to be managing threads as a Newbie again without the ability to add images and signatures, etc. And kind of sucks that the hard workers among us can be bundled in with the spammers.
But I understand the logic behind keeping the threads as clean and on-point as possible. I do see a lot of trash-duplicate accounts made just for bounties. It'll help us keep some of the fakes out as well
I'll just have to work harder to earn that first merit!

Cheers for the update. I thought it was just my account having the issue at first, so good to know it's nothing I've personally done wrong.

Tannah

[tranthidung]

Not sure because it takes time to show real effects on spammers.
In my opinion, spammers who got promoted to Junior rank again will keep spamming.
At least, the new rank requirement has had massively effects on Spammers who are at Junior Member rank without any merit point.
They will get stucked at Newbies rank after demoted for a while.
They need to make something constructive to rank up or almost illegally exchange merit, lol.

Thats realy good News about !

Thanks for that , hopefully this will be reduce a little the Spam !  

I would like to call all spammers are Spambies, a really new term in the BTT forum, which I discovered in another topic.
Someone invented the term, 'Spambies'.
I love it, honestly.

But i guess a lot of Crying Babies coming now and want a pacifier !  LOL  

Yeap, the forum has actually changed to a cleaner one. At least, my eyes has not been hurted with shitshow from Spambies.

Realy awesome work theymos , and there is now more hope for a clean  Forum !

[o_e_l_e_o]

And kind of sucks that the hard workers among us can be bundled in with the spammers.

You say that, but having looked at the "Nextpakk" bounty that you are running, you are rewarding spammers. I looked at the first five or six accounts I could find that were wearing your signature, and their post histories all looked the same - 50% bounty reports and 50% generic one line spam replies, that add nothing to the conversation but are made only to reach your post count minimum. Not only are you not policing their spamming, but you are actively encouraging it by paying them for it.

If you are going to be a bounty manager that pays spammers for spamming then I'm afraid you are part of the problem and absolutely not a "hard worker".

[Rainbloodz]

This is a big tragedy for all newbie members of this forum. But it also have pros and cons. Pros of this having a clean forum and cons of this only for those active and chronic members have the ability to standout or to post anything they want that's ofcourse related to crypto.