Massive abuse in the Russian section.

[MaoChao]

I wasn't referring to you specifically

However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.

Haste makes waste.

[TMAN]

TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here.

RIP TMAN; but this is something that we all knew.

Never hidden that fact!

you are dog of lauda you are lie

Woof Woof

[Lauda]

I wasn't referring to you specifically

However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.

Haste makes waste.

The list in OP is a bit excessive; I was more conservative and excluded about ~12 users. This may drop a bit with more analysis. Referring to opinion and experience in general is pointless here.

you are dog of lauda you are lie

Yes, cats keep dogs as pets.

[TMAN]

However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.

Haste makes waste.

I have added and removed and added people, quite happy to change my list repeatedly - I have stated numerous times that I am not always right - hence the post, others will come and chime in and help deal with it - DT is a democracy and if the consensus is that there are legitimate posters I will be changing my list (I still believe that AlexSr should be on DT, but until this all goes through the wash I cannot add him back)

[electronicash]

Looks like there is going to be a mutiny if it wasn't put in the public. As careless as leftest they were caught.  
There is nothing much being a DT. You can do as much as they can without having that green trust anyway. Alarming that a staff like xandry is silent about it when he understood what is there in plain text.

[suchmoon]

I wasn't referring to you specifically

However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.

Haste makes waste.

You have a serious lack of understanding of what merits are for. This is not a facetwit "like" or an endorsement. TMAN made what's called a "good post". Brought up an important topic. Even though theymos called him an asshole for the way he did it, I think there is still a valid concern how people with no clue about the trust system get suddenly voted into DT1.

one adjustment, xenon131's  punch line was as simple as that: DT0 list  of theymos is not equal to DT1 list constructed by his algo..... and it doesn't mean anything personal... but someone   from DT1 thought it was hitting on him and  negatively commented on   me. Picture in my above post illustrates what I'm thinking on his/her comment.

No, you said specifically that if a user is not in theymos trust list but was included into DT1 then it's a "manipulation". That was said more than once and combined with campaigning to exclude the "manipulators" so it can't be a coincidence. I'm quite certain I have conveyed your opinion accurately.

[suchmoon]

Opposite to English, Russian is synthetic language. Better learn it  before drafting your concluding observations.

English is my third language and the first two are synthetic so please feel free to fuck off with your conjectures at any time. This has nothing to do with grammar.

[TheFuzzStone]

He should have never been there to begin with.

And you still can not understand that you do not decide anything here... fine by me.

I will continue to spread information among Bitcointalk users about changes in trust system:

• DefaultTrust changes

• A short introduction to the Trust System

• [Explained] Importance of Custom Trust List

• Customized Trust Network – Interactive tool to see who we trust/distrust

• [Infographic] Leaving Feedback vs Custom Trust List

These links are public, and therefore do not violate the rules of the forum, one of them is from theymos.



Red trust + lie.

@TMAN, except translator use https://context.reverso.net/ to understand a little about what is going on in reference. But simply -- I don't care.  

So, I received a negative trust from you, because I'm spreading the word about theymos post, so I will quote theymos:

one of the requirements for a peaceful society is the credible threat of retaliation in case you are harmed.

If you have at least a drop of logic, then you will guess what this quote is for.


#MakeYourOwnDT0

[Veleor]

~

In the context of the topic I think you can be interested in this article: "8 compelling cats that changed Russian culture".

In the well known Russian cartoon the one cat often said: "Guys, let's live in friendship!" 

[peloso]

In the well known Russian cartoon the one cat often said: "Guys, let's live in friendship!" 

friendship with scammers from ny signature? impossible 
also i like cat's blood

[vlom]

I'm just waiting for someone to start screaming "Racist" at us.

freedom of speech in russian  

[Lauda]

In the context of the topic I think you can be interested in this article: "8 compelling cats that changed Russian culture".

Will read it in a bit. It seems that the cat's cult needs to work some magic again!

In the well known Russian cartoon the one cat often said: "Guys, let's live in friendship!"  

friendship with scammers from ny signature? impossible  
also i like cat's blood

Is this supposed to be some kind of threat?

I'm just waiting for someone to start screaming "Racist" at us.

freedom of speech in russian 

All I see is freedom of being shady in that thread.

[suchmoon]

Opposite to English, Russian is synthetic language. Better learn it  before drafting your concluding observations.

English is my third language and the first two are synthetic so please feel free to fuck off with your conjectures at any time. This has nothing to do with grammar.

Synthetic language means not only the grammar but the way of thinking .... and if you pretend to be  good in this  please feel free to make your judgments  on those users who are conspiring over there the aim being   to abuse DT system. Some user spotted over there ( #10) and here  brought to bear   the double standards that  represents a real threat to all forum and  must not be left without due denunciation.

So when I learned English did I change my way of thinking? Or do the Russian morphemes make you lie, i.e. say there was manipulation when there was none?

[bones261]

Nope, I was not lying of manipulation. The sad proof of this belief is that  Lauda  (in cooperation with her sock puppets) has kicked off one of the DT1 member after his was chosen by algo developed by theymos.

Well, aren't there plenty of other DT1 members that are neutral who could put them back in? All that needs to be done is to persuade enough of them to take affirmative action.

[mikeywith]

Every community/board/section would want to have a DT member who will " protect " their members by tagging scammers, if non of the DT members here go to Arabic, Russian or many other boards, how do those local boards benefit from the current DT list?

The DT list now is the result of members who trust each other for a reason, if the Russian members feel like they can not trust or benefit from the current DT list they have the right to want someone they trust on DT, as well as the right to exclude DT members they do not trust.

I am too lazy to quote anything , but a few of the current DT members were discussing including and excluding some members based on "points" they see fit in this topic >https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.0  which i see nothing wrong with.

while this could be an attempt to exclude every current DT member and take full control of the trust system, it still does not qualify as an abuse IMO. i am pretty sure the new system will have to go through some updates and changes soon. let us just see how things go, after all, manual intervention by theymos is always possible , so nothing major to worry about here.

[Lauda]

Nope, I was not lying of manipulation. The sad proof of this belief is that  Lauda  (in cooperation with her sock puppets) has kicked off one of the DT1 member after his was chosen by algo developed by theymos.

Well, aren't there plenty of other DT1 members that are neutral who could put them back in? All that needs to be done is to persuade enough of them to take affirmative action.

You'd have to be out of your mind to put the currently excluded people back in. That's why it doesn't work for them. They have no viable candidate for DT1.

[suchmoon]

Nope, I was not lying of manipulation. The sad proof of this belief is that  Lauda  (in cooperation with her sock puppets) has kicked off one of the DT1 members after his was chosen by algo developed by theymos.

I have excluded TheFuzzStone so it would appear that you're saying I'm Lauda's sockpuppet, is that right? Just making sure.

A word of advice: by the time of next DT1 vote find a candidate that at least knows something about the trust system and how it should and shouldn't be used instead of a nice guy who sends trust ratings to other nice guys. You have two weeks, plenty of time. If you vote someone like Fuzz in again you'll likely get another exclusion. Another thing to keep in mind is that if you keep voting for Fuzz who has very little chance then you're essentially wasting your limited votes, while exclusions are unlimited.

[suchmoon]

Nope, and believe me I don't mean you. I know you are decent man to whom theymos trusts therefore I  trust you.

LOL, no, I wouldn't go as far as "theymos trusts". I'd say "theymos tolerates" me is more accurate.

Again, keep in mind that TheFuzzStone needed only one exclusion to be kicked off. So Lauda doesn't matter (sorry sir puppetmaster). You need to find someone trusted by other DT1s enough to be included in their lists or at least someone with enough clue to not trigger a single exclusion.

[peloso]

In a while, when everyone sets his own DT0 and excludes DefaultTrust entry from it, that DT1 constructed by algo will be obsolete, I believe.

and process is started

[bones261]

In a while, when everyone sets his own DT0 and excludes DefaultTrust entry from it, that DT1 constructed by algo will be obsolete, I believe.

     That would be ideal. However, how is a new member who has only been around for a month or so supposed to know who to place on their trust list? Or is the reality that we have faced some sort of stagnation and all lower ranked members are actually alts of more established members. Isn't the point of default trust to give a heads up to people who haven't gotten or witnessed enough hard knocks yet to know any better?