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If you think that Russian fools, it is not so. No one said that. Newbies, of any language or country, are commonly targeted by scammers, because they are generally easier to fool than people who have been involved in crypto for years already. If you convince all the Russian newbies to set up custom trust lists that exclude all the best scam busters, then Russian newbies will become the favored target for scammers. It has nothing to do with intelligence. And eliminate the tilde for the most ardent Nazis! The users who are the "most ardent Nazis" in your opinion, also happen to be some of the most prolific scam busters on the forum. Exclude them if you wish, and convince the entire Russian section to exclude them if you wish, but be prepared for an influx of scammers.
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January 19, 2019, 11:49:59 AM Last edit: January 19, 2019, 12:05:17 PM by madnessteat |
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~If you want to add only your friends to your trust list, you are welcome to do so.~
Unfortunately I do not have any friends on the forum. And many already consider an enemy, although I didn't do anything wrong. I just added to my DT0 list of people from Russian locale who create useful topics. I didn't even look at their trust.
Update: I'm not trying to get on the DT1 list. I don't!!! I see infringement of my rights at a forum. A crook can be any nation, though Russian, though English, though French. No one can protect us. Everyone protects himself.
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January 19, 2019, 12:02:06 PM Last edit: January 19, 2019, 12:14:19 PM by DabLjat |
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The users who are the "most ardent Nazis" in your opinion, also happen to be some of the most prolific scam busters on the forum. Exclude them if you wish, and convince the entire Russian section to exclude them if you wish, but be prepared for an influx of scammers.
I didn't start this war. My list of trust in the election did not include any tiilda of those people who unreasonably painted me. That's personal now. Let them roll back their war - and I'll roll back mine. We are ready to communicate and cooperate as equals! But Russians never demolished when someone behaves arrogantly in relation to them and considers them as people of the third grade.
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January 19, 2019, 12:18:18 PM |
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There is no war, you are not equal if you don’t understand the system. This isn’t about race or creed this is about protecting members of the forum.
You do not protect people by “electing” your mates, DT is about safety for users, not a flipping “like” when the majority of you understand that we can have a civilised conversation, until that happens I won’t be removing my exclusions or negs. Continue to fight and act like emotional pre schoolers and nothing will change.
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January 19, 2019, 12:22:57 PM |
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I just added to my DT0 list of people from Russian locale who create useful topics. I didn't even look at their trust. That is a very poor way to set up your own trust list. Being useful is not the same as being trustworthy. Creating useful topics would be a reason to send someone merit, not a reason to send them positive feedback, and certainly not a reason to add them to your trust list. If you wish to do so anyway that's absolutely fine, but it is completely reasonable for other members to disagree with this practice and therefore exclude you from their trust lists. My list of trust in the election did not include any tiilda of those people who unreasonably painted me. No, but you were added to DT2 courtesy of TheFuzzStone, and immediately left a bunch of positive feedback with no references to your friends for reasons that do not deserve positive feedback such as being a merit source or "honored user". Again, if you want to do that that's fine, but it is also completely reasonable for other members to not want to see these sham ratings and therefore exclude you. If you don't wish to be excluded, then leave feedback for good reasons and set up trust lists for good reasons. It's a simple as that.
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January 19, 2019, 12:28:35 PM |
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If you don't wish to be excluded, then leave feedback for good reasons and set up trust lists for good reasons. It's a simple as that.
With this and we had to start, not to engage in the total genocide! Every day the situation worsens, disagreements grow. So far, we have heard only ultimatums, not negotiations.
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January 19, 2019, 12:33:08 PM |
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we have heard only ultimatums, not negotiations.
Because the rest of the forum is right - Theymos was pissed off at me for attacking a staff member who I believed was wrong - he called me an arsehole - he didn't kick me off DT-1 (he could very easily) WE all here in meta want the best for the forum, NO personal agenda, no "Liking" or "voting" realise that and we can have a conversation - its pretty simple.
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January 19, 2019, 12:40:25 PM |
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Because the rest of the forum is right - Theymos was pissed off at me for attacking a staff member who I believed was wrong - he called me an arsehole - he didn't kick me off DT-1 (he could very easily) WE all here in meta want the best for the forum, NO personal agenda, no "Liking" or "voting" realise that and we can have a conversation - its pretty simple.
While he didn't kick you off DT1. "Time will tell how the playing cards fall..."
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January 19, 2019, 12:45:15 PM |
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While he didn't kick you off DT1. "Time will tell how the playing cards fall..."
What is it with these thinly veiled threats, you still don't see what the fricking issue is if its not me kicking off it will be others on DT - Blatant manipulation and attempts to fork the trust system will end badly for users - not you, but the newbies - would you prefer for scams to be more prevalent just to get someone onto DT? you barely know how the system works for gods sake - its like a 3 year old walking into a shop and saying "I want that one" Please for the sake of the people that you will cause to get scammed stop being a dick and listen
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January 19, 2019, 12:46:23 PM |
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With this and we had to start, not to engage in the total genocide!
Oh come on, that's just taking things a bit too far. I really don't think most of the current DT1 members have anything against Russians per se. I sure as hell don't, and I'm from the US and grew up in the 1980s when the Soviet Union was still considered "the evil empire". I've been reading this thread but haven't been following people's trust lists, and that's basically what it comes down to. If you're including known scammers on it out of spite, that's a problem because every single member on this forum uses the same trust system. I just excluded peloso because of his trust list and his cryptohunter-like attitude in another thread, but excluding Russians from my trust list isn't something that's going to be a pattern as far as I can see. But I don't have an agenda against Russians, and I can't stand seeing this cold war starting to form, with the Russian community walling themselves off from everyone else. There's got to be a better way to solve this problem. Everyone probably needs to take a breath and step back for a few minutes and maybe reevaluate why they included, excluded, or negged someone else. If it was out of spite or was for emotional reasons (anger being the first one that comes to mind), then it should probably be changed. While he didn't kick you off DT1. "Time will tell how the playing cards fall..."
What is it with these thinly veiled threats That wasn't a threat. It was a fact. Time will indeed tell who stays and who goes from DT, though it's probably not a bad assumption to think DabLjat is hoping Theymos (or this newly-formed democracy) boots you off. I can't even remember how this conflict got started, as none of this seemed to be a problem more than 3 days ago. Was it this thread in particular?
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January 19, 2019, 12:57:09 PM Last edit: January 19, 2019, 03:33:01 PM by madnessteat |
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I look forward to when marlboroza check my account. I've read a lot that he's good at analyzing accounts. I want to see how right he is.
I respect this forum and the people who improve it.
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~TMAN ~Lauda ~owlcatz ~yahoo62278 ~actmyname
So why are you suggesting people to remove certain users? Why this forum member has excluded certain forum members: Goran_ never leaves Russian local but excludes: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fmmf7Poh.png&t=665&c=2_3qb_kj0veoSw) Or Rooivalkgoran (1) TMAN (-1) Lauda (-1) Provok (1) Blazed (-1) aTriz (-1) Slasher (1) suchmoon (-1) owlcatz (-1) yahoo62278 (-1) xandry (-1) actmyname (-1) WhiteManWhite (1) Lutpin (-1) TheFuzzStone (1) zoldberg (1) poptop (1) be.open (1) Xal0lex (-1) fzkto (1) Gary Levanevskii (1) 3meek (1) chimk (1) leonello (1) MoxnatyShmel (1) wh1rlw1nd (1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098584.msg49290224#msg49290224Also never left Russian local. What is the reason for all exclusions?
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@TheFuzzStone who are you? Some info about me can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096740.msg49232976#msg49232976
with no references to your friends for reasons that do not deserve positive feedback such as being a merit source or "honored user". Hmm... ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) What about these? I'm sure you'll find arguments for this behavior. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FDV29o7w.png&t=665&c=ehYc1Yrl_JZ2OQ) The next one is good, so reasonable! s/ Need more reasonable feedbacks with Reference? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FjS6AD5r.png&t=665&c=APR0XJ7loLIglA) The owner of these "reasonable feedbacks with reference" is Lauda. Who want to see a full list, just check Lauda's trust.
This post will be probably the last post in this forum war, because I don't like wars. And the second thing -- I don't care what you think about me and especially what you think of my presence in DT1. You don't decide this. Just accept that fact. My opinion about DT0 will never change, whether I will be in DT1 or not. If theymos decides to exclude me -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0. Even if theymos adds me to his trust list (which would cause of incredible butthurt for some users) -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0. I don't have to report back to you (in context of some users like Lauda), so take it in your hands https://translate.google.com/ and have a nice day! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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-snip- The owner of these "reasonable feedbacks with reference" is Lauda. Who want to see a full list, just check Lauda's trust.
All my ratings are valid (including those three). Stop pulling things out of context, especially when you don't even understand the system itself. This post will be probably the last post in this forum war, because I don't like wars. And the second thing -- I don't care what you think about me and especially what you think of my presence in DT1. You don't decide this. Just accept that fact.
We (aka all DT1 members) decide it, and we have decided to exclude you. Wake up from your delusions already. If theymos decides to exclude me -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0.
Wrong. You continue to spread dangerous propaganda that will lead to more newbies getting scammed. Why does this not surprise me given that people from that board are known to abuse just about anything? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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January 19, 2019, 01:31:16 PM Last edit: January 19, 2019, 01:44:06 PM by Rooivalk |
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Or Rooivalkgoran (1) TMAN (-1) Lauda (-1) Provok (1) Blazed (-1) aTriz (-1) Slasher (1) suchmoon (-1) owlcatz (-1) yahoo62278 (-1) xandry (-1) actmyname (-1) WhiteManWhite (1) Lutpin (-1) TheFuzzStone (1) zoldberg (1) poptop (1) be.open (1) Xal0lex (-1) fzkto (1) Gary Levanevskii (1) 3meek (1) chimk (1) leonello (1) MoxnatyShmel (1) wh1rlw1nd (1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098584.msg49290224#msg49290224Also never left Russian local. What is the reason for all exclusions? I'll explain. at first I made a list of the only people I know on the forum and trust them. I had no motive to bring you in. But your behavior angered me, I did not see any benevolent attitude to the participants from the Russian locale, on the contrary you behave very haughtily, aggressively and always attack by team, where the opinion is only the leader, while the other members of the gang only support him. Thus, I have no reason to exclude you from the list.
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Why do you have Admiral in your trust list then?
i tried to investigate about Admiral today and couldnt find someting about scam also i see him in green ( positive feedback) and there is no red feedback so if he scammer he must red but he green so you ll say trust system not work?
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Even if theymos adds me to his trust list (which would cause of incredible butthurt for some users) It actually wouldn't. You already have 6 DT1 exclusions, so one DT1 inclusion would make no difference. You still wouldn't be on DT1 even if theymos included you. As noted by other users already, it might be wise to spend more time understanding the new changes before you try to advise other Russian members on the best course of action. Also concerning is your repeated assertion that you will "never change your mind". Being unable to consider any point of view other than your own and being unopen to discussion and compromise is not a good attitude to have.
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Blazed (-1) yahoo62278 (-1) Lutpin (-1)
Also never left Russian local. What is the reason for all exclusions? at first I made a list of the only people I know on the forum and trust them. I had no motive to bring you in. But your behavior angered me, I did not see any benevolent attitude to the participants from the Russian locale, on the contrary you behave very haughtily, aggressively and always attack by team, where the opinion is only the leader, while the other members of the gang only support him. Thus, I have no reason to exclude you from the list. What is the reason to exclude Blazed, yahoo62278 and Lutpin? You must have some reason. ~blah~
So why do you have scammer Admiral in trust list? Account who took loan and didn't return.
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January 19, 2019, 02:26:41 PM |
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What is the reason to exclude Blazed, yahoo62278 and Lutpin?
Excluding Lutpin I can understand, since he left a lot of sig campaigners hanging with the 777Coin and Bitvest campaigns. It's unfortunate that that happened, but maybe he got burned by Lutpin in one of those. Blazed and yahoo62278 I don't agree with, but I'd like to hear the reasoning behind their exclusions if Rooivalk wouldn't mind explaining.
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January 19, 2019, 02:34:14 PM |
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So why do you have scammer Admiral in trust list? Account who took loan and didn't return.
see above i answered tell me why you added me to exclude list?
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