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January 19, 2019, 12:33:08 PM
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we have heard only ultimatums, not negotiations.

Because the rest of the forum is right - Theymos was pissed off at me for attacking a staff member who I believed was wrong - he called me an arsehole - he didn't kick me off DT-1 (he could very easily)  WE all here in meta want the best for the forum,  NO personal agenda, no "Liking" or "voting" realise that and we can have a conversation - its pretty simple.

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January 19, 2019, 12:40:25 PM
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Because the rest of the forum is right - Theymos was pissed off at me for attacking a staff member who I believed was wrong - he called me an arsehole - he didn't kick me off DT-1 (he could very easily)  WE all here in meta want the best for the forum,  NO personal agenda, no "Liking" or "voting" realise that and we can have a conversation - its pretty simple.

While he didn't kick you off DT1. "Time will tell how the playing cards fall..."

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January 19, 2019, 12:45:15 PM
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While he didn't kick you off DT1. "Time will tell how the playing cards fall..."

What is it with these thinly veiled threats, you still don't see what the fricking issue is if its not me kicking off it will be others on DT - Blatant manipulation and attempts to fork the trust system will end badly for users - not you, but the newbies - would you prefer for scams to be more prevalent just to get someone onto DT? you barely know how the system works for gods sake - its like a 3 year old walking into a shop and saying "I want that one"

Please for the sake of the people that you will cause to get scammed stop being a dick and listen

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January 19, 2019, 12:46:23 PM
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With this and we had to start, not to engage in the total genocide!
Oh come on, that's just taking things a bit too far.  I really don't think most of the current DT1 members have anything against Russians per se.  I sure as hell don't, and I'm from the US and grew up in the 1980s when the Soviet Union was still considered "the evil empire".  

I've been reading this thread but haven't been following people's trust lists, and that's basically what it comes down to.  If you're including known scammers on it out of spite, that's a problem because every single member on this forum uses the same trust system.  I just excluded peloso because of his trust list and his cryptohunter-like attitude in another thread, but excluding Russians from my trust list isn't something that's going to be a pattern as far as I can see.

But I don't have an agenda against Russians, and I can't stand seeing this cold war starting to form, with the Russian community walling themselves off from everyone else.  There's got to be a better way to solve this problem.  Everyone probably needs to take a breath and step back for a few minutes and maybe reevaluate why they included, excluded, or negged someone else.  If it was out of spite or was for emotional reasons (anger being the first one that comes to mind), then it should probably be changed.  

While he didn't kick you off DT1. "Time will tell how the playing cards fall..."
What is it with these thinly veiled threats
That wasn't a threat.  It was a fact.  Time will indeed tell who stays and who goes from DT, though it's probably not a bad assumption to think DabLjat is hoping Theymos (or this newly-formed democracy) boots you off. 

I can't even remember how this conflict got started, as none of this seemed to be a problem more than 3 days ago.  Was it this thread in particular?

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January 19, 2019, 12:57:09 PM
Last edit: January 19, 2019, 03:33:01 PM by madnessteat
 #185

I look forward to when marlboroza check my account. I've read a lot that he's good at analyzing accounts. I want to see how right he is.

I respect this forum and the people who improve it.

 
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January 19, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
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~TMAN
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So why are you suggesting people to remove certain users?

Why this forum member has excluded certain forum members:
Goran_ never leaves Russian local but excludes:
 


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Also never left Russian local. What is the reason for all exclusions?

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January 19, 2019, 01:09:49 PM
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@TheFuzzStone who are you?
Some info about me can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096740.msg49232976#msg49232976



with no references to your friends for reasons that do not deserve positive feedback such as being a merit source or "honored user".
Hmm...  Huh What about these? I'm sure you'll find arguments for this behavior.



The next one is good, so reasonable! s/



Need more reasonable feedbacks with Reference?



The owner of these "reasonable feedbacks with reference" is Lauda. Who want to see a full list, just check Lauda's trust.



This post will be probably the last post in this forum war, because I don't like wars. And the second thing -- I don't care what you think about me and especially what you think of my presence in DT1. You don't decide this. Just accept that fact.

My opinion about DT0 will never change, whether I will be in DT1 or not.

If theymos decides to exclude me -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0.

Even if theymos adds me to his trust list (which would cause of incredible butthurt for some users) -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0.

I don't have to report back to you (in context of some users like Lauda), so take it in your hands https://translate.google.com/  and have a nice day!  Smiley

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January 19, 2019, 01:15:56 PM
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The owner of these "reasonable feedbacks with reference" is Lauda. Who want to see a full list, just check Lauda's trust.
All my ratings are valid (including those three). Stop pulling things out of context, especially when you don't even understand the system itself.

This post will be probably the last post in this forum war, because I don't like wars. And the second thing -- I don't care what you think about me and especially what you think of my presence in DT1. You don't decide this. Just accept that fact.
We (aka all DT1 members) decide it, and we have decided to exclude you. Wake up from your delusions already.

If theymos decides to exclude me -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0.
Wrong. You continue to spread dangerous propaganda that will lead to more newbies getting scammed. Why does this not surprise me given that people from that board are known to abuse just about anything? Roll Eyes

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Also never left Russian local. What is the reason for all exclusions?
I'll explain. at first I made a list of the only people I know on the forum and trust them. I had no motive to bring you in. But your behavior angered me, I did not see any benevolent attitude to the participants from the Russian locale, on the contrary you behave very haughtily, aggressively and always attack by team, where the opinion is only the leader, while the other members of the gang only support him. Thus, I have no reason to exclude you from the list.

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Why do you have Admiral in your trust list then?

 i tried to investigate about Admiral today and couldnt find someting about scam also i see him in green ( positive feedback) and there is no red feedback so if he scammer he must red but he green
so you ll say trust system not work?
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January 19, 2019, 01:54:54 PM
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Even if theymos adds me to his trust list (which would cause of incredible butthurt for some users)
It actually wouldn't. You already have 6 DT1 exclusions, so one DT1 inclusion would make no difference. You still wouldn't be on DT1 even if theymos included you. As noted by other users already, it might be wise to spend more time understanding the new changes before you try to advise other Russian members on the best course of action.

Also concerning is your repeated assertion that you will "never change your mind". Being unable to consider any point of view other than your own and being unopen to discussion and compromise is not a good attitude to have.

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Also never left Russian local. What is the reason for all exclusions?
at first I made a list of the only people I know on the forum and trust them. I had no motive to bring you in. But your behavior angered me, I did not see any benevolent attitude to the participants from the Russian locale, on the contrary you behave very haughtily, aggressively and always attack by team, where the opinion is only the leader, while the other members of the gang only support him. Thus, I have no reason to exclude you from the list.
What is the reason to exclude Blazed, yahoo62278 and Lutpin? You must have some reason.

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So why do you have scammer Admiral in trust list? Account who took loan and didn't return.

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January 19, 2019, 02:26:41 PM
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What is the reason to exclude Blazed, yahoo62278 and Lutpin?
Excluding Lutpin I can understand, since he left a lot of sig campaigners hanging with the 777Coin and Bitvest campaigns.  It's unfortunate that that happened, but maybe he got burned by Lutpin in one of those.

Blazed and yahoo62278 I don't agree with, but I'd like to hear the reasoning behind their exclusions if Rooivalk wouldn't mind explaining. 

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January 19, 2019, 02:34:14 PM
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So why do you have scammer Admiral in trust list? Account who took loan and didn't return.

see above i answered

tell me why you added me to exclude list?
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January 19, 2019, 03:50:42 PM
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Watching from the outside, it seems to me that you have become slaves of this system. And it seems that the only thing you have achieved in life, so it got to DT. And you try to stay there as if it replaces your house or apartment. Be kind to each other.
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January 19, 2019, 04:31:44 PM
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In my opinion experienced users should lead by example and to show a willingness to compromise.
Who exactly are the experienced users that should lead by example in the Russian section? [...]
Reputable forum members were meant, which have years of experience on the forum, not only in Russian locale.
They could remind other users that is need to make trust lists with responsibility.


Being useful is not the same as being trustworthy.
I think this warning might be added on the Trust settings page.


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January 19, 2019, 04:36:03 PM
Last edit: January 19, 2019, 06:29:32 PM by xenon131
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~
 you are not equal if you don’t understand the system.
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Yeah, we are not equal cuz opposite to you we got it. The system was born to be random:

I plan to instead choose a random subset of about 100 eligible users each time.

but your master undermines it



cuz she  wants to control the sun and the moon.

My advice to u, better go and learn graph theory and  how graph optimization works than rambling here.  

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January 19, 2019, 04:40:33 PM
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My advice to u, better go and learn graph theory and  how graph optimization works than rambling here.  

why oh why do you want to be on DT? will you run about the forum adding tags to scams? will you engage and try to find the truth when there isnt a clear answer? will you ask people in lending questions to avoid newbies getting skamed?

if not - then why oh why do you want to break a system? you are spouting about graph theory yet don't have enough merit in there to push 100 users forward, please dont spout nonsense, this is making me want to just tag more members there to save the forum as a whole from your shenanigans

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January 19, 2019, 04:55:29 PM
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In my opinion experienced users should lead by example and to show a willingness to compromise.
Who exactly are the experienced users that should lead by example in the Russian section? The two moderators that can't even speak up but would rather side up with their own "people" even when they are in the wrong? TheFuzzStone who is preaching anti-DT propaganda (as a former DT1 member) and is playing games with his own list out of spite?
Reputable forum members were meant, which have years of experience on the forum, not only in Russian locale.
They could remind other users that is need to make trust lists with responsibility.
I'm pretty sure that this has been stated several times in different forms in this thread alone. The people that were accused of colluding apparently don't understand it or do not want to understand it. The longer this goes on, the more it seems like a lost cause.

Don't snip out my description of the users that we are dealing with.

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January 19, 2019, 05:05:50 PM
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My advice to u, better go and learn graph theory and  how graph optimization works than rambling here.  

why oh why do you want to be on DT? ...


U're wrong. I never wanted to be DT, that is why my initial DT0 list  was  < 10 . By this I has stated that I don't want to be DT cuz it's not mine. I like technicalities (Ph.D in mathematic, BTW) rather than  airing someone's dirty laundry. And  it's not your DT membership  I resent, TMAN; it's just the lies  and grubby hands on the levels of DT power revealed by some "old" DT members.

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