2020 Democrats

[BayAreaCoins]

The sweeping change that will definitely happen quickly if Biden is elected is the sweeping of Biden out of the White House likely over some health excuse, so the real powers can come out of the closet.

^ This a million times over.

It's the quickest possible way to putting a monkey lady in office... lord knows no one would vote for her.  No telling what kind of crack rocks are in her closet.

Biden has been a politician for decades, it's wild people think sweeping changes will happen if he's elected!  lulz

There have been plenty of sweeping changes over the past few decades...

Like?  Can you name one lasting change from the federal government?  Only thing I can think of is banning fully automatic rifles from poor people... I don't know how much that helped our country.

Marijuana isn't even legal and we had Obumer and Hiden Biden for 8 years....  Not a single over dose during their whole administration!



Hunter Biden and Joe Biden still haven't visited my small Arkansas town, Batesville, to visit their daughter/grandchild from our local prostitute! rofl  trashhhhhh

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[lepbagong]

predictions can be different and of course we can only analyze, let this go well and peacefully

[TwitchySeal]

Like?  Can you name one lasting change from the federal government?  Only thing I can think of is banning fully automatic rifles from poor people... I don't know how much that helped our country.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act from the 90s is one good example.  Not all of it lasted, but most of the big stuff did.

It created the federal sex offender registry and created a bunch of new stricter sentencing guidelines for domestic violence and sex related crimes - especially against children, authorized the federal government to hold local law enforcement accountable for civil rights violations via civil suits,  made a bunch of federal crimes punishable by death, made a bunch of new laws to stop gang related violence, created the 3 strike program and a bunch of other stuff.

Senator Biden wrote it.

[Spendulus]

Like?  Can you name one lasting change from the federal government?  Only thing I can think of is banning fully automatic rifles from poor people... I don't know how much that helped our country.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act from the 90s is one good example.  Not all of it lasted, but most of the big stuff did.

It created the federal sex offender registry and created a bunch of new stricter sentencing guidelines for domestic violence and sex related crimes - especially against children, authorized the federal government to hold local law enforcement accountable for civil rights violations via civil suits,  made a bunch of federal crimes punishable by death, made a bunch of new laws to stop gang related violence, created the 3 strike program and a bunch of other stuff.

Senator Biden wrote it.

NOT a thing to be proud of.

For Mr. Biden to win support from the young voters who were critical to President Obama’s election victories, according to activists like Jeremy Haile, he will need to show his views have evolved.

“Any Democrat that is interested in gaining support among the current electorate, particularly the progressive civil rights communities, is going to have to say that previous tough-on-crime policies were a mistake,” said Mr. Haile, federal advocacy counsel at the Sentencing Project.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/us/politics/joe-bidens-role-in-90s-crime-law-could-haunt-any-presidential-bid.html

[TwitchySeal]

Like?  Can you name one lasting change from the federal government?  Only thing I can think of is banning fully automatic rifles from poor people... I don't know how much that helped our country.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act from the 90s is one good example.  Not all of it lasted, but most of the big stuff did.

It created the federal sex offender registry and created a bunch of new stricter sentencing guidelines for domestic violence and sex related crimes - especially against children, authorized the federal government to hold local law enforcement accountable for civil rights violations via civil suits,  made a bunch of federal crimes punishable by death, made a bunch of new laws to stop gang related violence, created the 3 strike program and a bunch of other stuff.

Senator Biden wrote it.

NOT a thing to be proud of.

For Mr. Biden to win support from the young voters who were critical to President Obama’s election victories, according to activists like Jeremy Haile, he will need to show his views have evolved.

“Any Democrat that is interested in gaining support among the current electorate, particularly the progressive civil rights communities, is going to have to say that previous tough-on-crime policies were a mistake,” said Mr. Haile, federal advocacy counsel at the Sentencing Project.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/us/politics/joe-bidens-role-in-90s-crime-law-could-haunt-any-presidential-bid.html

That's more of a fair point than 'Biden was in politics for decades and nothing changed, therefor if he's president nothing will change'.

I don't see anyone that's involved in any sort of progressive group not voting for Biden at this point though. The only votes up for grab at this point are people that likely aren't going to vote and aren't really paying attention. 

[Spendulus]

Like?  Can you name one lasting change from the federal government?  Only thing I can think of is banning fully automatic rifles from poor people... I don't know how much that helped our country.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act from the 90s is one good example.  Not all of it lasted, but most of the big stuff did.

It created the federal sex offender registry and created a bunch of new stricter sentencing guidelines for domestic violence and sex related crimes - especially against children, authorized the federal government to hold local law enforcement accountable for civil rights violations via civil suits,  made a bunch of federal crimes punishable by death, made a bunch of new laws to stop gang related violence, created the 3 strike program and a bunch of other stuff.

Senator Biden wrote it.

NOT a thing to be proud of.

For Mr. Biden to win support from the young voters who were critical to President Obama’s election victories, according to activists like Jeremy Haile, he will need to show his views have evolved.

“Any Democrat that is interested in gaining support among the current electorate, particularly the progressive civil rights communities, is going to have to say that previous tough-on-crime policies were a mistake,” said Mr. Haile, federal advocacy counsel at the Sentencing Project.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/us/politics/joe-bidens-role-in-90s-crime-law-could-haunt-any-presidential-bid.html

That's more of a fair point than 'Biden was in politics for decades and nothing changed, therefor if he's president nothing will change'.

I don't see anyone that's involved in any sort of progressive group not voting for Biden at this point though. The only votes up for grab at this point are people that likely aren't going to vote and aren't really paying attention.  

Go right ahead with that, praise your candidate that was responsible for the "3 strikes and you're out" lunacy. The nutty ideas that put hundreds of thousands of minority men in jail for years each.

It is what it is. But look at the upside. After the back room fat cats get rid of Biden, they'll have lots of negatives to pile on him as they give power to the real puppet. Wait, those negatives will keep him from getting elected in the first place...

[TwitchySeal]

Like?  Can you name one lasting change from the federal government?  Only thing I can think of is banning fully automatic rifles from poor people... I don't know how much that helped our country.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act from the 90s is one good example.  Not all of it lasted, but most of the big stuff did.

It created the federal sex offender registry and created a bunch of new stricter sentencing guidelines for domestic violence and sex related crimes - especially against children, authorized the federal government to hold local law enforcement accountable for civil rights violations via civil suits,  made a bunch of federal crimes punishable by death, made a bunch of new laws to stop gang related violence, created the 3 strike program and a bunch of other stuff.

Senator Biden wrote it.

NOT a thing to be proud of.

For Mr. Biden to win support from the young voters who were critical to President Obama’s election victories, according to activists like Jeremy Haile, he will need to show his views have evolved.

“Any Democrat that is interested in gaining support among the current electorate, particularly the progressive civil rights communities, is going to have to say that previous tough-on-crime policies were a mistake,” said Mr. Haile, federal advocacy counsel at the Sentencing Project.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/us/politics/joe-bidens-role-in-90s-crime-law-could-haunt-any-presidential-bid.html

That's more of a fair point than 'Biden was in politics for decades and nothing changed, therefor if he's president nothing will change'.

I don't see anyone that's involved in any sort of progressive group not voting for Biden at this point though. The only votes up for grab at this point are people that likely aren't going to vote and aren't really paying attention.  

Go right ahead with that, praise your candidate that was responsible for the "3 strikes and you're out" lunacy. The nutty ideas that put hundreds of thousands of minority men in jail for years each.

It is what it is. But look at the upside. After the back room fat cats get rid of Biden, they'll have lots of negatives to pile on him as they give power to the real puppet. Wait, those negatives will keep him from getting elected in the first place...

Huh?  Go back and read the conversation you're responding to.

[Spendulus]

Like?  Can you name one lasting change from the federal government?  Only thing I can think of is banning fully automatic rifles from poor people... I don't know how much that helped our country.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act from the 90s is one good example.  Not all of it lasted, but most of the big stuff did.

It created the federal sex offender registry and created a bunch of new stricter sentencing guidelines for domestic violence and sex related crimes - especially against children, authorized the federal government to hold local law enforcement accountable for civil rights violations via civil suits,  made a bunch of federal crimes punishable by death, made a bunch of new laws to stop gang related violence, created the 3 strike program and a bunch of other stuff.

Senator Biden wrote it.

NOT a thing to be proud of.

For Mr. Biden to win support from the young voters who were critical to President Obama’s election victories, according to activists like Jeremy Haile, he will need to show his views have evolved.

“Any Democrat that is interested in gaining support among the current electorate, particularly the progressive civil rights communities, is going to have to say that previous tough-on-crime policies were a mistake,” said Mr. Haile, federal advocacy counsel at the Sentencing Project.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/us/politics/joe-bidens-role-in-90s-crime-law-could-haunt-any-presidential-bid.html

That's more of a fair point than 'Biden was in politics for decades and nothing changed, therefor if he's president nothing will change'.

I don't see anyone that's involved in any sort of progressive group not voting for Biden at this point though. The only votes up for grab at this point are people that likely aren't going to vote and aren't really paying attention.  

Go right ahead with that, praise your candidate that was responsible for the "3 strikes and you're out" lunacy. The nutty ideas that put hundreds of thousands of minority men in jail for years each.

It is what it is. But look at the upside. After the back room fat cats get rid of Biden, they'll have lots of negatives to pile on him as they give power to the real puppet. Wait, those negatives will keep him from getting elected in the first place...

Huh?  Go back and read the conversation you're responding to.

I have to admit though, hinting to the Sanders lunatic asylum that Biden's just temporary, vote him in he won't be around long, then you can have your puppet, is not dumb. Might help turn out a bit of the turned-off vote.

[BayAreaCoins]

It created the federal sex offender registry and created a bunch of new stricter sentencing guidelines for domestic violence and sex related crimes - especially against children

I've not had ANY help from the Federal Government in regards to a sex offender I've been chasing.

I'm in the process of trying to get a guy arrest for molesting his daughter and another little girl (4 & 7 years old).  He's been bouncing statelines (Arkansas to Wisconsin to Oregon).

There is absolutely ZERO federal help.  The guy just moves state to state after it is discovered he isn't actually homeless and avoids being leveled because it's a state program.

Here is the court case:  https://caseinfo.arcourts.gov/cconnect/PROD/public/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=32CR-20-28&begin_date=&end_date=

The arrest warrant is for only a 400 mile radius of Independence County.

The dude bounced from Wisconsin after it was discovered he wasn't actually homeless (bad guys want to avoid giving their address and causing noise).

The bad guy has been living in Eugene Oregon just like your average American....  He's told the Sex Registration people in OR that he lives in a Walmart parking lot, but Walmart assures us that isn't possible due to COVID19 restrictions.  No one cares.


So the idea there is a federal system for this in place is absolutely laughable from my standpoint after actually having experience with this shit...  Here is what they say:



No mention of pending warrants or ANYTHING helpful to protecting the public.  It's disgusting and sad to the core.

Multiple entries, missing information, not updated information and they all basically refuse to do their jobs while this guy could be legit killing kids in Oregon.

[TwitchySeal]

It created the federal sex offender registry and created a bunch of new stricter sentencing guidelines for domestic violence and sex related crimes - especially against children

I've not had ANY help from the Federal Government in regards to a sex offender I've been chasing.

I'm in the process of trying to get a guy arrest for molesting his daughter and another little girl (4 & 7 years old).  He's been bouncing statelines (Arkansas to Wisconsin to Oregon).

There is absolutely ZERO federal help.  The guy just moves state to state after it is discovered he isn't actually homeless and avoids being leveled because it's a state program.

Here is the court case:  https://caseinfo.arcourts.gov/cconnect/PROD/public/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=32CR-20-28&begin_date=&end_date=

The arrest warrant is for only a 400 mile radius of Independence County.

The dude bounced from Wisconsin after it was discovered he wasn't actually homeless (bad guys want to avoid giving their address and causing noise).

The bad guy has been living in Eugene Oregon just like your average American....  He's told the Sex Registration people in OR that he lives in a Walmart parking lot, but Walmart assures us that isn't possible due to COVID19 restrictions.  No one cares.


So the idea there is a federal system for this in place is absolutely laughable from my standpoint after actually having experience with this shit...  Here is what they say:



No mention of pending warrants or ANYTHING helpful to protecting the public.  It's disgusting and sad to the core.

Multiple entries, missing information, not updated information and they all basically refuse to do their jobs while this guy could be legit killing kids in Oregon.

I don't think the registry is intended to help civilians hunt them down since they've already been convicted and sentenced.  And if you're LE you would have other resources that wouldn't be made available to the public for obvious reasons.  But I digress.  I was only giving an example of federal changes that have been made over the past few decades other than the only one you could think of, the ban on automatic weapons.

[BADecker]

This is stupid. Everybody is overly friendly at times. If you make the mistake of being overly friendly in the wrong way, it might come back to haunt you, or even bite you. But trying to cover it up only makes it worse. Another mark against Biden.

As usual, check the article for emphasis and links.


Secret Service Admits To Destroying Records In Alleged Biden Breast-Grabbing Incident

In 2017, the Gateway Pundit's Cassandra Fairbanks published a claim from an anonymous former Secret Service agent who said that they had to protect female agents from Joe Biden due to "Weinstein level stuff," referring to notable rapist and Democrat, Harvey Weinstein.

"We had to cancel the VP Christmas get together at the Vice President's house because Biden would grope all of our wives and girlfriend's asses," said the former agent, adding "He would mess with every single woman or teen. It was horrible."

The agent also claimed Biden would walk around naked in the VP residence.

"I mean, Stark naked… Weinstein level stuff."

"According to the source, a Secret Service agent once got suspended for a week in 2009 for shoving Biden after he cupped his girlfriend's breast while the couple was taking a photo with him. The situation got so heated, the source told Cassandra Fairbanks, that others had to step in to prevent the agent from hitting the then-Vice President."

Here's why you're reading this now...

While the MSM simply ignored the alleged breast-grabbing incident, Judicial Watch filed a FOIA request...

...and were told the file was destroyed.

In other words, something happened, and the Secret Service just confirmed it.

Via Judicial Watch:

Judicial Watch's FOIA request, made on May 12, 2020, sought:

All records related to a reported incident in 2009 in which a United States Secret Service Agent reportedly was involved in an altercation with, or attempted to strike, then Vice President Joe Biden during a photo opportunity.

The records sought shall include, but not be limited to, witness statements, the Agent's statement, victim's statement, alleged perpetrator's statement, incident reports, investigative reports, communications among USSS personnel regarding the incident, and disciplinary records related to the incident for the Agent in question.

In a July 13, 2020 response to Judicial Watch's request, the Secret Service appeared to confirm that a file on the alleged incident existed at some point, asserting, "[T]here are no responsive records or documents pertaining to your request in our files," because "the above mentioned file(s) has been destroyed" due to "retention standards."  The Secret Service added that, "[n]o additional information is available."  It did not deny the incident had occurred.  In its lawsuit, Judicial Watch intends to test the Secret Service's assertion that it destroyed all records about the incident.

[BayAreaCoins]

I don't think the registry is intended to help civilians hunt them down since they've already been convicted and sentenced.

My understanding is that these lists are created and maintained to keep the public and these peoples victims informed so they can be protected.  This is why you have to say "I'm requesting this information for myself and my family's safety..."  it isn't for harassing purposes as all. 

Also, so people can more easily serve these bad guys paperwork (which is my case... no one is hunting anyone down that has already been convicted or sentenced...)

the only one you could think of, the ban on automatic weapons.

They only banned automatic weapons for poor people... If you have $15,000 we can make it happen for you...

Most "homies" don't have the privilage of having $15,000 laying around just to registered the gun to their name or their Trust (lulz).

Luckily, homies can afford a $10 item off fucking Wish.com that alters their gun to a fully automatic.

[squatz1]

I don't think the registry is intended to help civilians hunt them down since they've already been convicted and sentenced.

My understanding is that these lists are created and maintained to keep the public and these peoples victims informed so they can be protected.  This is why you have to say "I'm requesting this information for myself and my family's safety..."  it isn't for harassing purposes as all. 

Also, so people can more easily serve these bad guys paperwork (which is my case... no one is hunting anyone down that has already been convicted or sentenced...)

the only one you could think of, the ban on automatic weapons.

They only banned automatic weapons for poor people... If you have $15,000 we can make it happen for you...

Most "homies" don't have the privilage of having $15,000 laying around just to registered the gun to their name or their Trust (lulz).

Luckily, homies can afford a $10 item off fucking Wish.com that alters their gun to a fully automatic.

Yeah, I think that everything relating to handling sex offenders (once they've been convicted) is up to the states. No federal control unless something has crossed state lines, though -- you seem to contest that the federal government is helping at all, even when people are crossing state lines. Probably many reasons behind them not helping, but COVID is throwing a monkey wrench in a lot of everyones business right now.

But yes, the lists are created to ensure that people know who live around them. It's a smart thing to do and keeps people informed. That information being provided has probably saved countless children / others from sexual assaults.

Curious on your source for the 15k for getting a legal automatic weapon? Sounds ugh -- well interesting to say the least. I know those are HEAVILY regulated, though they are still allowed.

[BayAreaCoins]

Yeah, I think that everything relating to handling sex offenders (once they've been convicted) is up to the states. No federal control unless something has crossed state lines, though -- you seem to contest that the federal government is helping at all, even when people are crossing state lines.

The states can't do shit when he crosses statelines and thus far the FEDS haven't or won't either... FEDS are pretty tight-lipped, which I understand and I appreciate, but holy fuck.

Right now it's entirely a State problem, but the problem is the states stuff stops at their lines and once Joshua Hayden Scott crossed into Oregon outside of the 400 mile state arrest warrant... that was that.

So now, we are attempting to serve him with Child Support paperwork, but it's really hard to do without him having an address.  Keep in mind he was a Level 3 offender in FL, AR, and WI previous to OR... however, he's not been leveled in OR this entire year.

Curious on your source for the 15k for getting a legal automatic weapon? Sounds ugh -- well interesting to say the least. I know those are HEAVILY regulated, though they are still allowed.

$15k is really high (but that's the price of my next gun).... $10k would do the ticket.  Example:  https://www.armsunlimited.com/Heckler-Koch-223-556-Machine-Gun-Pre86-Dealer-p/hk33k.htm

Fully automatic guns should be legal in America.  It's unconstitutional as fuck to strip and price out these poor folks of their constitutional rights.

[squatz1]

Yeah, I think that everything relating to handling sex offenders (once they've been convicted) is up to the states. No federal control unless something has crossed state lines, though -- you seem to contest that the federal government is helping at all, even when people are crossing state lines.

The states can't do shit when he crosses statelines and thus far the FEDS haven't or won't either... FEDS are pretty tight-lipped, which I understand and I appreciate, but holy fuck.

Right now it's entirely a State problem, but the problem is the states stuff stops at their lines and once Joshua Hayden Scott crossed into Oregon outside of the 400 mile state arrest warrant... that was that.

So now, we are attempting to serve him with Child Support paperwork, but it's really hard to do without him having an address.  Keep in mind he was a Level 3 offender in FL, AR, and WI previous to OR... however, he's not been leveled in OR this entire year.

Curious on your source for the 15k for getting a legal automatic weapon? Sounds ugh -- well interesting to say the least. I know those are HEAVILY regulated, though they are still allowed.

$15k is really high (but that's the price of my next gun).... $10k would do the ticket.  Example:  https://www.armsunlimited.com/Heckler-Koch-223-556-Machine-Gun-Pre86-Dealer-p/hk33k.htm

Fully automatic guns should be legal in America.  It's unconstitutional as fuck to strip and price out these poor folks of their constitutional rights.

I'm going to put the blame on either the FEDS being ultra tight lipped about what they do, or they're just not doing anything (I guess those are the only two possibilities).

LVL 3 offender, from my small amount of google searching, is having sexual intercourse with a minor with some threat of violence (or violence actually caused to the individual) This person in question is a real piece of shit. I'm assuming you've already done this, but have you got in contact with politicians in the OR area to see if they can help expedite this? They usually have contacts there that can push things along a bit faster.

Fully Automatic though they need a license for, buying the gun isn't enough - unless I'm misinformed.

But for the sake of this thread, do you want to move this to another thread so we don't bog down the 2020 DEMS thread?

[TwitchySeal]

Yeah, I think that everything relating to handling sex offenders (once they've been convicted) is up to the states. No federal control unless something has crossed state lines, though -- you seem to contest that the federal government is helping at all, even when people are crossing state lines.

The states can't do shit when he crosses statelines and thus far the FEDS haven't or won't either... FEDS are pretty tight-lipped, which I understand and I appreciate, but holy fuck.

Right now it's entirely a State problem, but the problem is the states stuff stops at their lines and once Joshua Hayden Scott crossed into Oregon outside of the 400 mile state arrest warrant... that was that.

So now, we are attempting to serve him with Child Support paperwork, but it's really hard to do without him having an address.  Keep in mind he was a Level 3 offender in FL, AR, and WI previous to OR... however, he's not been leveled in OR this entire year.

Curious on your source for the 15k for getting a legal automatic weapon? Sounds ugh -- well interesting to say the least. I know those are HEAVILY regulated, though they are still allowed.

$15k is really high (but that's the price of my next gun).... $10k would do the ticket.  Example:  https://www.armsunlimited.com/Heckler-Koch-223-556-Machine-Gun-Pre86-Dealer-p/hk33k.htm

Fully automatic guns should be legal in America.  It's unconstitutional as fuck to strip and price out these poor folks of their constitutional rights.

This is the first 'legalize machine guns' argument I've come across.

Are they pricing them out simply by banning any automatics produced post 1980's, or is there some other system pushing up the price? Unless the law is repealed, they'll all be obsolete in what, a few decades?  100 years? 

I'm no expert obv, but I feel like spending $10k on a 1986 machine gun is really just for fun and anyone that owns one is going to grab something else in pretty much any situation that doesn't involve entertainment.

Any weapons you agree the government should ban or regulate?

[squatz1]

Yeah, I think that everything relating to handling sex offenders (once they've been convicted) is up to the states. No federal control unless something has crossed state lines, though -- you seem to contest that the federal government is helping at all, even when people are crossing state lines.

The states can't do shit when he crosses statelines and thus far the FEDS haven't or won't either... FEDS are pretty tight-lipped, which I understand and I appreciate, but holy fuck.

Right now it's entirely a State problem, but the problem is the states stuff stops at their lines and once Joshua Hayden Scott crossed into Oregon outside of the 400 mile state arrest warrant... that was that.

So now, we are attempting to serve him with Child Support paperwork, but it's really hard to do without him having an address.  Keep in mind he was a Level 3 offender in FL, AR, and WI previous to OR... however, he's not been leveled in OR this entire year.

Curious on your source for the 15k for getting a legal automatic weapon? Sounds ugh -- well interesting to say the least. I know those are HEAVILY regulated, though they are still allowed.

$15k is really high (but that's the price of my next gun).... $10k would do the ticket.  Example:  https://www.armsunlimited.com/Heckler-Koch-223-556-Machine-Gun-Pre86-Dealer-p/hk33k.htm

Fully automatic guns should be legal in America.  It's unconstitutional as fuck to strip and price out these poor folks of their constitutional rights.

This is the first 'legalize machine guns' argument I've come across.

Are they pricing them out simply by banning any automatics produced post 1980's, or is there some other system pushing up the price? Unless the law is repealed, they'll all be obsolete in what, a few decades?  100 years?  

I'm no expert obv, but I feel like spending $10k on a 1986 machine gun is really just for fun and anyone that owns one is going to grab something else in pretty much any situation that doesn't involve entertainment.

Any weapons you agree the government should ban or regulate?

First time I've seen it as well. Few decades probably, even with proper maintenance of the weapon. I'll just put a little research I found regarding who can purchase and own these firearms:

Pre-Sample guns are guns that were imported into the U.S. after 1968 but before May 19, 1986. The only people who can own these imported guns are dealers, military, and police agencies. The approved form on Pre Samples will be clearly stamped “Limited to use as a Sales Sample.”

Not exactly sure why you'd actually want this gun. Sounds like rich people who can get through the paperwork of owning a gun range / gun store can own it, though I don't think you'd be able to get away with killing someone in self defense with this thing in your home. Not sure how stringent that regulation is / if there is any precedent on it.

But this question wasn't for me, I'll see myself out for now, lol.

[BayAreaCoins]

Any weapons you agree the government should ban or regulate?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Are there any more parts of the Constitution of the United States you disagree with?  It's shocking to me how common it has become to just ignore the foundation of the United States.  I understand it's a big world on the internet and maybe that isn't the backbone of your country.  I respect that.

I firmly believe there needs to be a route for everyone to own anything because otherwise, anyone that owns anything is automatically a bad guy. (Applies to everyone)

I'm no expert obv, but I feel like spending $10k on a 1986 machine gun is really just for fun and anyone that owns one is going to grab something else in pretty much any situation that doesn't involve entertainment.

$10,000 is like 1 penny for Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg... I'm sure their security teams' guns chatter.

I recommend people that don't think they want a fully automatic or a large capacity magazine to go play paintball.  Use a Walmart marker and then use a fancy-ass marker with a fancy trigger system.  See and feel the difference.  (Paintball kept me out of the military I think... that and I liked pot back then!)

Are they pricing them out simply by banning any automatics produced post 1980's, or is there some other system pushing up the price? Unless the law is repealed, they'll all be obsolete in what, a few decades?  100 years?  

I would be really interested to see how many less fully automatic rifles where manufactured in the 1970's vs the 1980's/1990s... I would imagine that the manufactured numbers didn't dip at all despite the laws against poor people.  

The most ridiculous thing I see at the gun shops in Arkansas (specifically around Little Rock and where minorities aren't minorities [lol]) is the fact that a LOT of these gun shops are well aware of how much money they can make off regulations.

Heckler and Koch went from selling guns for $1000 to $xx,xxx with a few strokes of a pen...  There are many other examples of shops and regulators teaming up to fuck the general public.

Check out their stuff:  https://hk-usa.com/

[TwitchySeal]

I've got nothing but respect for you around here from the times we've crossed paths over the years, so don't take any of this as me being a troll or dick head or personal attack.  Just honest questions and opinions that I'm totally capable of changing.

Any weapons you agree the government should ban or regulate?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Are there any more parts of the Constitution of the United States you disagree with?  It's shocking to me how common it has become to just ignore the foundation of the United States.  I understand it's a big world on the internet and maybe that isn't the backbone of your country.  I respect that.

I don't think there's anything wrong with disagreeing with the constitution.  If anything, the freedom to openly challenge your own government and if enough people agree create actual change is a more clear foundation than the 2A.

I also just think it's too vague.  There are valid interpretations on both sides of the gun debate - not saying the 2A is worthless, but it's def worth less than if it were more explicit and took into consideration the weapons we can produce today rather than 250 years ago.

I firmly believe there needs to be a route for everyone to own anything because otherwise, anyone that owns anything is automatically a bad guy. (Applies to everyone)

A route is different than just being able to save up the money have go out and buy 'anything' though.

What's a step up from automatic weapons?  RPGs? Bazookas?  Large ammounts of explosive material....biological/chemical/nuclear weapons?  There's gotta be a line somewhere right?

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I've got nothing but respect for you around here from the times we've crossed paths over the years, so don't take any of this as me being a troll or dick head or personal attack.  Just honest questions and opinions that I'm totally capable of changing.

Absolutely not.  Same for me. Deep down, I'm thankful to live in a country full of people different from me.  The USA is a huge country... each state is meant to be different and we are allowed to move through them freely. <3

My opinions and views change over time too... usually from respectful conversations & personal experiences.

I'll respond tomorrow, I just had a friend show up, but I didn't want you to think I'm here speaking to you with anything but respect.  

quick edit 9:17pm 9/7/2020:  I think it's fine to disagree with the Constitution, but I think the rule of law should either follow it or change it... Not just leave it the same and shit all over it.