Tracking the Trust System's Stupid Shit

[OgNasty]

True dat.   We are both calling each other the same names and going nowhere.

I guess I should take the weekend off.  

I provided evidence you're a liar and in fact this thread is littered with your lies.  You are just name calling and abusing the trust network.  We'll see how that plays out for you.

Yes, go celebrate the Easter holiday and relax.    I'm worried about your emotional state.

For anyone wondering what this latest Vod nonsense is about: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50665442#msg50665442

Funds donated to BPIP.org = 0.014 BTC
Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

BPIP.org OWES $0
NastyFans OWES $forever

I think I win. 

NastyFans is a proof of concept organization that displays the sort of transparency possible with Bitcoin while also offering innovative products and approaches to solving regulatory issues plaguing crypto organizations.

BPIP.org is a website with a rating system you manipulate to stroke your ego and provides no interaction with the blockchain or use of Bitcoin whatsoever. 

Clearly you win. 

I didn't realize we were in competition, but now your trust abuse makes more sense when viewed from your delusional perspective.

Yeah, competitions... that's also another problem. We always want to "win" these arguments - lest we realise they are useless and we will never get a satisfactory outcome from it...

It's definitely a useless time waste, but what else are you supposed to do when someone starts lying about you and abusing the trust network when the truth is provable for those willing to look?

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[suchmoon]

It was a good post I felt was high quality, and I agreed with it.  Not just a post I agreed with.  Seems that fits theymos description exactly and you're trying to turn nothing into something.  I wonder why?  Are you really threatened by me being a Merit Source?

OMG just when I thought you can't be any more petty. Apparently there is no limit to your virtual dick-waving. Why would I be threatened by you being a merit source?

I should probably be more threatened by your ginormous ego - mine is nowhere near that big

[Lesbian Cow]

Quickseller at least refunded the users he wronged...  

No, he didn't.

That is an explicit, intentional lie.

You very clearly have no understanding what it means to have integrity -- you make excuses and provide cover for those who steal from others (but help you), and you lie about those who are critical of you.

You are a disgrace to Bitcoin and to this forum.  

Quickseller, to be clear, you used your Quickseller account to escrow trades involving Panthers52, your alt account.  You collected fees for those trades.   How is that not a scam?

I wouldn't call it a scam but it's extremely unethical and opens the door TO a scam, yes. Damn - I didn't know about this those - time to do some catch up on the year I missed. This place is always pumping out something new it seems.

It is most definitely a scam.  Collecting fees for escrow services that were not rendered.  

[marcotheminer]

True dat.   We are both calling each other the same names and going nowhere.

I guess I should take the weekend off. 

I provided evidence you're a liar and in fact this thread is littered with your lies.  You are just name calling and abusing the trust network.  We'll see how that plays out for you.

Yes, go celebrate the Easter holiday and relax.    I'm worried about your emotional state.

For anyone wondering what this latest Vod nonsense is about: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50665442#msg50665442

Funds donated to BPIP.org = 0.014 BTC
Funds donated to NastyFans = 729.38 BTC

BPIP.org OWES $0
NastyFans OWES $forever

I think I win. 

NastyFans is a proof of concept organization that displays the sort of transparency possible with Bitcoin while also offering innovative products and approaches to solving regulatory issues plaguing crypto organizations.

BPIP.org is a website with a rating system you manipulate to stroke your ego and provides no interaction with the blockchain or use of Bitcoin whatsoever. 

Clearly you win. 

I didn't realize we were in competition, but now your trust abuse makes more sense when viewed from your delusional perspective.

Yeah, competitions... that's also another problem. We always want to "win" these arguments - lest we realise they are useless and we will never get a satisfactory outcome from it...

It's definitely a useless time waste, but what else are you supposed to do when someone starts lying about you and abusing the trust network when the truth is provable for those willing to look?

Yeah .. we have no choice but to continue the drama. It's a shame the trust network can be abused/distorted as it is now; but what solutions do we have.. All I can think of it narrowing it back down - too many people with too much power means too many opinions from too many emotional perspectives..

[Anduck]

True dat.   We are both calling each other the same names and going nowhere.

I guess I should take the weekend off.  

I provided evidence you're a liar and in fact this thread is littered with your lies.  You are just name calling and abusing the trust network.  We'll see how that plays out for you.

Yes, go celebrate the Easter holiday and relax.    I'm worried about your emotional state.

For anyone wondering what this latest Vod nonsense is about: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50665442#msg50665442

Vod is a proven liar, been for years. See e.g. this or this. It's just that nobody cares to waste time as it's not too simple to get a grasp of how Vod is lying. But there are a couple pretty straightforward cases too.

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It's definitely a useless time waste, but what else are you supposed to do when someone starts lying about you and abusing the trust network when the truth is provable for those willing to look?

I also tried to point people (who are possibly interested) into seeing into the proofs about Vod being a scumbag liar. Some wanted to stick into whitewashing whatever Vod did or does, which is bad.. And some wanted to not touch this case at all, it's after all not their case & it's a serious waste of time. Vod's abuse and general wrongdoing was obvious, but not enough to warrant others to react on it by using the trust system.


I think that many of these issues in the community arise from communication errors. Then they escalate beyond ridiculous levels.

[ibminer]

Seems like there is a lot of emotionally-driven spin being put on the truth here, and it's well past the point of getting vindictive, so I'll try to avoid getting involved in all of that.. but I do take a bit of an issue with the accusation that there is cherry picking or manipulation going on with BPIP's data because, well, I would not be associated in any way with a project doing that.

I certainly would not be working with Vod if I thought this were true and I've certainly seen no evidence of manipulating data. If I'm understanding this claim (or attack?) correctly, apparently deciding whether or not to include initial merit in a score on BPIP, which effects every ranked member that received merit, somehow indicates Vod is manipulating data to personally rank himself higher ... I'm not sure why this nonsense would be twisted into some sort of ammunition in an argument here, but it seems unfounded and over the top to me.

[Vod]

I think that many of these issues in the community arise from communication errors. Then they escalate beyond ridiculous levels.

I agree 100%.  I know the exact PM we each understood something different so everything past then was fucked. 

[OgNasty]

Vod is a proven liar, been for years. See e.g. this or this. It's just that nobody cares to waste time as it's not too simple to get a grasp of how Vod is lying. But there are a couple pretty straightforward cases too.

Yes, I knew this and shouldn't have offered to help his project.  Lesson learned.

I think that many of these issues in the community arise from communication errors. Then they escalate beyond ridiculous levels.

Indeed.  Vod's lack of reading comprehension skills are most definitely the root cause here. 

This is a perfect example of the Trust System's Stupid Shit though, and I personally think the trust system is a mess currently, so maybe this sort of behavior will help improve it in the future. 

[Anduck]

I know the exact PM we each understood something different so everything past then was fucked.  

No, no, no. Do not try to twist this. You "understood" it wrong, not me. I even corrected you right in the beginning: I explained you what you understood wrong.

Today, I am confident you did this "misunderstanding" on purpose. You indicated your will to abuse your DT position against me as can be seen from the messages. Now you don't have that leverage anymore.

So I did not misunderstand anything. I also did not "fuck" anything, it was all you. You did all the wrongdoing. You lied and blackmailed me. Do not try to twist the history. Maybe look up what you have done, refresh your memory... and try to think about all that and learn to not be a jackass towards others.

[Lauda]

Don't you guys ever get tired of this?

[ibminer]

So I did not misunderstand anything. I also did not "fuck" anything, it was all you. You did all the wrongdoing.

I can provide one "misunderstanding" you appeared to have had which started the whole thing:

• Starting bid
  The lowest price you will sell the item for.

Did you honor your "starting bid" as the lowest price you would sell the item for? No... you increased the price at the end of the auction and then went on to sell it privately after the auction ended.
Did you "have to" follow this guideline, technically no. However, people also don't "have to" follow any guideline on this forum.. but there can still be consequences to those actions.

Even at the time of the auction, people questioned your "misunderstanding" and you acknowledged you "should have set a higher starting bid or reserve", but then didn't correct it - you continued to sell it privately... that's just wrong IMO.

You also did at least help with "fuck"'ing something, IMO, which is DefaultTrust.. because of your single-minded defense of your own "misunderstanding" during your "Destroy DT or put me on it" campaign... instead of seeing other peoples perspectives as well.

For me, the reality is most people I know do not expect an auctioneer to self-bid when there was no disclosure of a hidden reserve, especially when it goes against the guidelines (and tips) I believe most people adhere to in the auction section. Although, I do realize there are much worse things happening at this forum than this... but you've continued to act like you've done NOTHING wrong. 

Shouldn't other people participating in your future auctions have a right to know that you may not be complying to the guidelines and tips stickied in the auction section of this forum?

Don't you guys ever get tired of this?

They don't, it's all just cheap thrills to them. 

[Anduck]

You're completely ignoring lies and blackmailing that Vod does.

Yet you insist on highlighting a one-time vendor bid I did on my auction 4 years ago? Please educate yourself to understand that vendor bidding is a normal auction event in various auction standards and countries, including the United States. It's not standard in Ebay, not standard in Bitcointalk, but is a standard e.g. in my country. For example you can check the biggest Finnish online auction site huutokaupat.com. It's given that auctions are by default with reserve, be it hidden, concealed or open. Even the U.S. law states that auctions are by default with reserve.

There is no written Bitcoin auction standard anywhere, so these kind of actions not aligned with the standard happen occasionally.  And they are never dealed with how Vod here does, because Vod did not rate me because of the auction, he rated me because I hurt his ego by telling him that I don't specifically trust him. This would be obvious to you if you bothered to dig yourself up from the vod hole.

Also, if it matters, Vod does not even frequent the Collectibles section. He also directly told me that he will red-rate me if I don't do what he wants. So who are you to now make up some other reason for his ratings when he himself stated it?

I expected someone to come whitewash Vod, as has always happened before.

but you've continued to act like you've done NOTHING wrong.

I do not perceive something to be done wrongly when it was done in good faith and immediately learned upon. But that's just me, you seem to have a much harsher stance. Again, I only did something that's not according to bitcointalk auction standard, but is perfectly fine and normal e.g. in my country. Bear with me.


Regarding trust system & DT, they're better than ever before. Thank you theymos.

[ibminer]

You're completely ignoring lies and blackmailing that Vod does.

It appeared like Vod believed you were intentionally lying to him and reacted to it... he has reacted to others in a similar fashion when he thinks someone is intentionally being dishonest.
Blackmailing?? Are you sure you got the right term

Yet you insist on highlighting a one-time vendor bid I did on my auction 4 years ago? Please educate yourself to understand that vendor bidding is a normal auction event in various auction standards and countries, including the
United States. It's not standard in Ebay, not standard in Bitcointalk, but is a standard e.g. in my country.

As you've stated, it's not standard on Bitcointalk, where your auction was posted. IMO, it's your responsibility to know the guidelines and rules at an auction site/forum before creating the auction. When questioned immediately at the time of the auction, you chose to essentially give everyone the middle finger and press on. I'm merely stating my opinion that you were in the wrong in doing these things. 1) Listing a starting bid that wasn't really a "starting bid" as per the auction guidelines stickied to the section. 2) Not correcting your actions after being provided the chance to do so. (#2 is a personal pet peeve of mine)

For example you can check the biggest Finnish online auction site huutokaupat.com. It's given that auctions are by default with reserve, be it hidden, concealed or open. Even the U.S. law states that auctions are by default with reserve.

This isn't huutokaupat and it's not a US-based auction house.

[Anduck]

You're completely ignoring lies and blackmailing that Vod does.

It appeared like Vod believed you were intentionally lying to him and reacted to it... he has reacted to others in a similar fashion when he thinks someone is intentionally being dishonest.
Blackmailing?? Are you sure you got the right term

Vod told me that he doesn't see anything untrustworthy in what I did. Let that sink in.
Soon after this we discussed a little and he threatened to red-rate me unless I changed my rating. (Call that blackmailing or whatever you want.) And I did not change my rating.
Additionally, I also told him that I don't specifically trust him. This, I think, hurt his ego very badly (was not my intention though), finally triggering him to his sudden change of "opinion" etc, and rating me red.

2) Not correcting your actions after being provided the chance to do so. (#2 is a personal pet peeve of mine)

OK. Can't really remember exactly what I thought back then, but I did not see anything to "correct" at the time. Also, this whole auction case is completely out of proportions. For example, a staffer (mprep) changed his auction rules in the middle of an auction with bids in, and same handful of people (you, saltyspitoon and vod) who are now, still after many years whining about my vendor bid, are completely ignoring or accepting that, and so on. Hypocrites.

Regardless, none of this has anything to do with this auction and Vod's rating towards me has nothing to do with that auction, except that he uses it as it the "reason" as it's the only thing he could find about me that is even remotely controversial.

What is so hard in understanding that Vod's rating towards me has nothing to do with the auction, anyway? Yes, he states something about it in his rating reason, but could you now try to finally understand what happened in messages between us. Like, e.g., read the messages before constantly talking about irrelevant stuff.

For example you can check the biggest Finnish online auction site huutokaupat.com. It's given that auctions are by default with reserve, be it hidden, concealed or open. Even the U.S. law states that auctions are by default with reserve.

This isn't huutokaupat and it's not a US-based auction house.

Of course. Only thing I can really do is to tell you to educate yourself about auction standards in the world. I gave you just one example for e.g. starting point.

[khaled0111]

Guys, you are better than this. So, please, find a way to sort it out.

You are going round in circles. Each one calling the other a liar!
All of you are highly trusted members (not talking about trust rating under your usernames). We, junior members, consider you as our mentors and look up to you. But it seems you have no idea how all this drama is affecting us.

[OgNasty]

Guys, you are better then this. So, please, find a way to sort it out.

You are going round in circles. Each one calling the other a liar!
All of you are highly trusted members (not talking about trust rating under your usernames). We, junior members, consider you as our mentors and look up to you. But it seems you have no idea how all this drama is affecting us.

Some of us are better than this...  The difference is that Vod can't prove any of his lies as they are literally nonsense he made up, and I have evidence to backup my opinions.  I was hoping I wouldn't have to dig through all my PMs, since I have more than 1200 pages of them and navigating my inbox is literally a nightmare, but I can see that may be necessary if you can't see the difference between Vod's lies and the truths being told about him.  

Vod, I will donate 1 BTC to BPIP.org if you can post one legitimate PM of me offering you NastyMining shares as payment for your site sponsorship like you claim.  If Vod's not a liar, he'll do it, right?

[Quickseller]

Guys, you are better then this. So, please, find a way to sort it out.

You are going round in circles. Each one calling the other a liar!
All of you are highly trusted members (not talking about trust rating under your usernames). We, junior members, consider you as our mentors and look up to you. But it seems you have no idea how all this drama is affecting us.

Some of us are better than this...  The difference is that Vod can't prove any of his lies as they are literally nonsense he made up, and I have evidence to backup my opinions.  I was hoping I wouldn't have to dig through all my PMs, since I have more than 1200 pages of them and navigating my inbox is literally a nightmare, but I can see that may be necessary if you can't see the difference between Vod's lies and the truths being told about him. 

Vod, I will donate 1 BTC to BPIP.org if you can post one legitimate PM of me offering you NastyMining shares as payment for your site sponsorship like you claim.  If Vod's not a liar, he'll do it, right?

To easily search PMs from a particular user:
Search for: e
From user: Vod

The above will provide you with all PMs from Vod containing the letter “e” which most likely is all spams you received from him.

I would think Vod would be willing to prove that him calling OgN a scammer is accurate for over $5k

[Vod]

Vod, I will donate 1 BTC to BPIP.org if you can post one legitimate PM of me offering you NastyMining shares as payment for your site sponsorship like you claim.  If Vod's not a liar, he'll do it, right?

How about your initial lie which caused all this?  Can you post one legitimate PM supporting the following?  If you're not a liar, you'll do it, right?

This while continually asking me to leave you a trust rating and add you to my network while showering me with Merit at the time.  Between that pathetic manipulation attempt failure escalating to you telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list

You're just as much a hypocrite liar as Anduck.  I'm glad you two scammers found each other.  

[OgNasty]

Vod, I will donate 1 BTC to BPIP.org if you can post one legitimate PM of me offering you NastyMining shares as payment for your site sponsorship like you claim.  If Vod's not a liar, he'll do it, right?

How about your initial lie which caused all this?  Can you post one legitimate PM supporting the following?  If you're not a liar, you'll do it, right?

This while continually asking me to leave you a trust rating and add you to my network while showering me with Merit at the time.  Between that pathetic manipulation attempt failure escalating to you telling me that you'd add me to your distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller and if I did you would add me to your trust list

You're just as much a hypocrite liar as Anduck.  I'm glad you two scammers found each other.  

Seems only fair you put up 1 BTC for me to do so, right?  It’s clear now everything you said about me was a lie. Put up the 1 BTC and make it seem like there’s no basis for my opinion.

For the record, I would much prefer that Vod apologizes for the comments he's made about me in this thread, removes the trust abuse, and we move forward like grown adults as opposed to turning this situation into a more drama filled jury trial with our peers.

[Vod]

For the record, I would much prefer that Vod apologizes for the comments he's made about me in this thread, removes the trust abuse, and we move forward like grown adults as opposed to turning this situation into a more drama filled jury trial with our peers.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122617.msg50652615#msg50652615

You are a liar.   Anything that you post after that comment is a fight you started.