Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[Agbamoni]

Buying during a dip requires confidence and patience. Analyzing market trends is key, but remember, even strong trends can reverse unexpectedly. When aiming for long-term HODLing, every price point can be seen as an opportunity. Instead of focusing on short-term fluctuations, it's about trusting your strategy and seeing dips as potential buying chances rather than setbacks.

Analyzing market trend is exactly timing the market. Of which timing the market is seen as trading. When you are investing for long term there is no need to time the market. You are a newbie and you've learnt one or more things by now, i just want to let you know that timing the market is wrong. The only thing you said that picked my interest is the fact that every price is a good opportunity to buy Bitcoin. There is no point regretting why we didn't buy at a lower price because the current price of Bitcoin soon will be a lower entry point where many ignorant aspiring investors will be wishing they bought.

You seem to be placing too much trust in Bitcoin. Remember, the future of Bitcoin is not in our hands. The security and pumping system of Bitcoin certainly make it reliable and potentially profitable for investment. However, are we ignoring the possible outcomes? Our faith in Bitcoin and previous statistics may reassure us, but that should not make us feel guaranteed.

If Bitcoin were guaranteed, we wouldn’t be advised to use unnecessary funds for investment. While long-term investments have a higher chance of making a profit, it could be a mistake to consider it as guaranteed. You must consider security-related issues and the risks involved in long-term investments. For example, the possibility of losing Bitcoin due to mistakes, the risk of selling at a loss because of flaws in the long-term holding strategy, the chance of losing access to the wallet, and even though unlikely, the potential for loss of Bitcoin in the long term. Based on these slight negative possibilities and the risk of investor error, you cannot guarantee or promise profit from Bitcoin investment, and doing so would be wrong. This is why it’s recommended to invest only a portion of your available funds in Bitcoin. If there were a guarantee of 100% profit from long-term Bitcoin investments, most people would invest a large portion of their wealth. But doing so could be the biggest mistake of your life. Therefore, it is not correct to be sure or guarantee profit in investments; it is just a possibility.

Your right here. No investment is 100% guarantee. Bitcoin has done financially well over the years till now, and with the global respect and adoption shouldn't make us treat it like some sort of financial savior. Many situations and problem may come and affect the system which we do not know what may be the outcome in the future. In as much as we expect the greater potential benefit of Bitcoin as we invest and hodl for long term we should also have it at the back of our mind that the system was created by man and anything that is been deployed by man has limitations. Bitcoin is good to invest but its not made into perfection.

[Shadiq]

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Buying during a dip requires confidence and patience. Analyzing market trends is key, but remember, even strong trends can reverse unexpectedly. When aiming for long-term HODLing, every price point can be seen as an opportunity. Instead of focusing on short-term fluctuations, it's about trusting your strategy and seeing dips as potential buying chances rather than setbacks.

If the goal is to HODL for the long term, of course there is no need to worry about short-term price fluctuations or having to take the time to wait for a decline first, especially if you have to have a certain level of confidence to be able to buy. Because most Bitcoin buyers at this time are people who have indeed gone through some education and the best advice from several people who are already knowledgeable about Bitcoin so that they themselves have begun to be confident in buying Bitcoin and implementing HODLing in the long term because they already believe in Bitcoin.

So every buyer must have a goal that they have planned and if the goal itself is to store for the long term, of course the person does not have to target a price drop in order to be able to buy. Because he can also buy at the current price and can immediately continue buying again when it is decreasing so that the amount of Bitcoin he will save will be greater even though he bought it at a different price.

Are you suggesting that a newcomer should wait for a decrease in Bitcoin's price before starting their investment? It seems there may be a typing mistake in your statement, as it implies that waiting for a price drop is recommended. You should be cautious here to avoid misleading new investors or forum members, as they might learn something wrong.

If you intentionally suggested that one should wait for a price drop before starting to invest, I must disagree with you. Waiting for a price drop is a waste of time. If you already have reliable income sources or alternative income streams and are fully prepared to invest, there should be no delay in investing because of a price drop. The target price you have set may never come, and in waiting, you might end up wasting time and resources. If Bitcoin’s price keeps rising instead of falling, will you not invest? Or will you be happy to lose the opportunity of buying at a lower price compared to future prices?

Since you are investing with a long-term plan, you should not wait, no matter what, if you are capable of starting your investment. After gaining basic knowledge, there should be no further delay in your learning or investing. The longer you wait, the more opportunities you will lose. By being tempted by small profits, you may lose track of your investment plans.

[Sim_card]

Your right here. No investment is 100% guarantee. Bitcoin has done financially well over the years till now, and with the global respect and adoption shouldn't make us treat it like some sort of financial savior. Many situations and problem may come and affect the system which we do not know what may be the outcome in the future. In as much as we expect the greater potential benefit of Bitcoin as we invest and hodl for long term we should also have it at the back of our mind that the system was created by man and anything that is been deployed by man has limitations. Bitcoin is good to invest but its not made into perfection.

This is why it's advisable to use only your discretionary income to invest so that if in future bitcoin price goes against you or did not perform as expected, you wouldn't regret investing in bitcoin. However, the odd of bitcoin price going uptrend in future is higher than going downtrend but that doesn't mean that you should see bitcoin as a risk free investment, because if you miscalculate the money that you are suppose to use to invest in bitcoin and use more than your discretionary income, you will lose your investment.

I feel that the risk in bitcoin is not only about the price going down but also your inability to make proper plans and invest in the right way for long term. This is why we should put all these into considerations so that we can invest and become successful in future without regrets.

[Tmoonz]

Your right here. No investment is 100% guarantee. Bitcoin has done financially well over the years till now, and with the global respect and adoption shouldn't make us treat it like some sort of financial savior. Many situations and problem may come and affect the system which we do not know what may be the outcome in the future. In as much as we expect the greater potential benefit of Bitcoin as we invest and hodl for long term we should also have it at the back of our mind that the system was created by man and anything that is been deployed by man has limitations. Bitcoin is good to invest but its not made into perfection.

This is why it's advisable to use only your discretionary income to invest so that if in future bitcoin price goes against you or did not perform as expected, you wouldn't regret investing in bitcoin. However, the odd of bitcoin price going uptrend in future is higher than going downtrend but that doesn't mean that you should see bitcoin as a risk free investment, because if you miscalculate the money that you are suppose to use to invest in bitcoin and use more than your discretionary income, you will lose your investment.

I feel that the risk in bitcoin is not only about the price going down but also your inability to make proper plans and invest in the right way for long term. This is why we should put all these into considerations so that we can invest and become successful in future without regrets.

Investment in Bitcoin honestly has lots of flexibilities, that you are investing in Bitcoin doesn't mean that you are not going to be taking care of yourself, it doesn't stops you from going for vacation and enjoy life, figure out how much of your discretionary income you can be investing over time, it can serve as  your retirement benefit for those that are still in active service, it can as well become a generational wealth, those that will attach so much negative emotions towards what will become of Bitcoin in the future are only those that have been investing money that is not meant for investment and must deprived themselves of certain necessary things in their life which is very wrong. However, when something is too real it has no hidden place, Bitcoin is increasing wider spread adoption on  basis but yet we still have to balance our psychology towards what may or may not happen in the future and surely there must be preparation.

[GiftedMAN]

recommended to choose your youth age to do this and continue to accumulate Bitcoin regularly. If you can build a decent-sized holding by accumulating Bitcoin during the prime of your life you can be rewarded for your time well spent. Some investors either out of greed or emotion decide to sell their valuable Bitcoins which can dull their feelings at the next high price. Because it is clear that Bitcoin has the potential to increase in value over time holding is the best decision to make.

If unique bitcoin holders follow the way you make your point, they can certainly be tempted by the benefits.  If a long-term bitcoin holder continues to invest bitcoins following the opportunistic DCA method, he may be tempted to sell his bitcoins whenever he looks at his valuable holdings for cash.

This is subjective and not particularly true, our minds about Bitcoin investment matter. We have a lot of people who used the DCA approach to buy Bitcoin and have not sold any of their Bitcoin for over 10 years and we've seen some people who used whatever approach you have in mind but sold it at the shortest possible time. This concludes that it is all about the person in question, disposition about Bitcoin varies. The serious Bitcoin buyer will buy it with the intention of long-term HODLing, which I term "Buy And Forget" and the DCA approach can surely help in starting it.

In fact, every investor makes an investment decision based on his/her own financial situation and risk-taking ability. Those who decided to invest in Bitcoin in the past (5-7 years ago) they are now proud of their right decision today, because Bitcoin has already given them a lot of good things. But those who did not invest in Bitcoin in the past, or panicked and sold it a few days after investing, they are deprived of this success today.
That is why to get success from Bitcoin, you have to invest, and forget/hold for at least 10 years. The highest possibility of Bitcoin success is only available from long-term holding, So regularly  'buy with DCA and forget' 'buy and forget' 'buy and forget'. And keep it uninterrupted for 10 to 12 years, and without looking at the price, just hold, hold and hold. Only then can an investor get very very near "Possibility" to achieving success.

One thing i've come to realize  about long term holding is that, no matter the years you choose to invest in, be it 10 or 12 years, after you must have arrived at your estimated amount of years for your holding and made withdraw some amount  to be used for your pre planed project, there is still a great possibility that bitcoin will still rise above that value which you have sold. And either way you are losing from any profit, beside you have been accumulating profits for the passed 10 or 12 years of your bitcoin holding. However  its possible some persons who sell huge amount of bitcoin now mush have been accumulating for a long term and have arrived at their target, so let's not just look at this situation from one angle, but from both sides. Though my advice is that even if you must have gotten to your target and you want to sell do not sell all your coins because  that is where the regret comes in when the price begin to rise above your expectations. That is why we need to crutically make plans for our holding so we don't  do things off our scheduled.

Maybe it's better to just like sell 20%-50% of your holding and then put it into your dream, like maybe a house or a car or others. And then just try to repeat the process again, accumulate as much as you can, build your portfolio, don't look back at the Bitcoins that you have sold, but instead, challenge and motivate yourself to keep what you are doing because that is very effective and no one can take that away from you.

Well, I don't buy the idea for people who are in their accumulation process to sell 20%-50% of their bitcoin investment just because they want to buy their dream car or house and they are yet to accumulate the amount of bitcoin they want to hold for long term. Selling part of your bitcoin when you are still in your accumulation stage has a negative effect, and if you are not mentally strong enough, you will likely sell your bitcoin portfolio if bitcoin increases to the extent where you will regret why you sold part of your bitcoin too early. This is one of the reasons why we should invest in bitcoin with the money we will not need for 4-10 years or more so that we will always be in the position of solving our needs without selling our bitcoin prematurely to solve them.

Having the opportunity to stick with the initial plans of an investor is one of the reasons why there should be a particular agreed where the investor will like to hodl before thinking of selling part of his Bitcoin, a good investor has different sources of income and maintains their investment strategies, they hardly think of selling part of their Bitcoin before the number of years they have written down to keep holding that's why you don't see great investors thinking of selling their Bitcoin even when the price of Bitcoin is very high. To avoid selling off part of your Bitcoin to purchase luxuries and properties you need to have several streams of income aside your regular Bitcoin investment income so that you won't regret after selling your Bitcoin.

In the other way round I also see the need to sell some of your Bitcoin if you have been holding for a long term and has accumulated a good number or Bitcoin for years and you have an emergency which your income can not solve, selling some part to take care of it shouldn't be seen as a bad thing since the essence of investing in anything is to make profit to take care of yourself and to better the life of your family. I do not support anyone selling all their Bitcoin but if their are needs to sell some, do not hesitate to do so especially if it involves saving a life.

[Tonimez]

Your right here. No investment is 100% guarantee. Bitcoin has done financially well over the years till now, and with the global respect and adoption shouldn't make us treat it like some sort of financial savior. Many situations and problem may come and affect the system which we do not know what may be the outcome in the future. In as much as we expect the greater potential benefit of Bitcoin as we invest and hodl for long term we should also have it at the back of our mind that the system was created by man and anything that is been deployed by man has limitations. Bitcoin is good to invest but its not made into perfection.

This is why it's advisable to use only your discretionary income to invest so that if in future bitcoin price goes against you or did not perform as expected, you wouldn't regret investing in bitcoin. However, the odd of bitcoin price going uptrend in future is higher than going downtrend but that doesn't mean that you should see bitcoin as a risk free investment, because if you miscalculate the money that you are suppose to use to invest in bitcoin and use more than your discretionary income, you will lose your investment.

I feel that the risk in bitcoin is not only about the price going down but also your inability to make proper plans and invest in the right way for long term. This is why we should put all these into considerations so that we can invest and become successful in future without regrets.

Investment in Bitcoin honestly has lots of flexibilities, that you are investing in Bitcoin doesn't mean that you are not going to be taking care of yourself, it doesn't stops you from going for vacation and enjoy life, figure out how much of your discretionary income you can be investing over time, it can serve as  your retirement benefit for those that are still in active service, it can as well become a generational wealth, those that will attach so much negative emotions towards what will become of Bitcoin in the future are only those that have been investing money that is not meant for investment and must deprived themselves of certain necessary things in their life which is very wrong. However, when something is too real it has no hidden place, Bitcoin is increasing wider spread adoption on  basis but yet we still have to balance our psychology towards what may or may not happen in the future and surely there must be preparation.

Bitcoin investment to some people has turned out to be a death sentence. This is a product of greed where someone only dreams about profit and not willing to HODL for long
A real bitcoin investor enjoys life the much he can while maintaining his investments in bitcoin. This is because he focuses more on increasing his DCA and invests only a percentage of the DCA while taking care of his life with the rest.

Bitcoin investment is best done with a very long-term goal. One may not enjoy every thing he has achieved in life, generations can also benefit from your achievements. When someone is not taking care of himself or enjoying the good things of life, health challenges are more readily happening to them. By so doing, you end of selling of your bitcoin to save your life or die if you insist on Hodl.

Bitcoin is a promising investment, steady investment using DCA will guarantee a better lifestyle away from your bitcoin wallet and prepare one for the benefits that will come with bitcoin in the future.

[Sam T. Banks]

Bitcoin is a promising investment, steady investment using DCA will guarantee a better lifestyle away from your bitcoin wallet and prepare one for the benefits that will come with bitcoin in the future.

Really you are right?
The way you make various comments about Bitcoin, it seems that Bitcoin is not the only coin that guarantees a good life. I don't understand how investing in Bitcoin guarantees a good life. Many people are more interested in investing in gold instead of investing in Bitcoin. It is seen that if you can invest in gold, you can be the safest and worry-free. But the Bitcoin market is unstable, why did you say it so beautifully? Is it possible? However, the way the Bitcoin market is moving will take a long time to create a good position.

[JayJuanGee]

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even though talking about profit is not out of place, if you dwell more about taking profits, you will end up taking profit too soon and never get the best from your investing in bitcoin. proper planning entails that you focus more about buying and accumulating enough bitcoin at this price which will ultimately turn out to becoming the lows in the future and set out good plans that will protect the bitcoin we have already stacked up which is the surest way to be in a good profit knowing that the extent of our profitability in our bitcoin investment is dependent on how much bitcoin we have acquired already.

Maybe we could attempt to emphasize the time element of bitcoin rather than the profit element of bitcoin, just to make a bit of a point.

I am pretty sure that there are ways to structure various kinds of hypotheticals in which a guy reaches or slightly exceeds his BTC accumulation goals, and then soon thereafter enters into some kind of a sustainable withdrawal system in which he is not concerned about profits, but instead just concerned about halving enough and employing sustainable withdrawals.  

Since I personally consider something like the 200-WMA to be a way of measuring enough value that can be sustained, it would likely help if the person either accumulated his bitcoin position over 4 years, held his bitcoin  for 4 years or bought an overwhelming majority of his BTC at around the 200-WMA price.

So there seems to be quite a bit more flexibility for guys to have their costs below the 200-WMA so that they do not necessarily have to concern themselves about the extent to which any of their spot price sales are in profits.. that is once they reach a point of even being ready for selling any of their BTC.. which I think is getting to a status of already overly accumulating a decent stash of BTC, so it seems best to get to a status of overaccumulation first.  

We could come up with some examples of a guy who just gets into bitcoin and pretty much accumulates all of the bitcoin at once, such as he had just recently come across some money like an inheritance or maybe selling a property (or selling a business) or even winning the lottery.... So this guy is going to want to use bitcoin as an investment and as a way to slowly draw from his wealth.. he gives little shits about whether he is in profits or not, yet he already knows enough about bitcoin to appreciate that if he measures his withdrawal of value based on the 200-WMA.. then he likely could withdraw at some thing like 10% per year in a perpetual kind of a way...   There would be quite a few ways to describe such examples of hypothetical guys, even though it seems that in this thread, we are presuming accumulating bitcoin over time rather than lump summing into bitcoin, especially since it seems way more likely that normal people who are investing into bitcoin, rather than trading bitcoin, will end up investing into bitcoin over decently long periods of time rather than lump summing into bitcoin with perhaps a few large allocations into it.

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Investors should not be misled by the lure of guaranteed profits. Bitcoin investors should be recommended that long-term deposit through the DCA method Profitability to get huge profit. Still, to make a profit investors should to accumulate more than three cycles over a four-year period through discretionary income. Bitcoin can be financially helpful to you in the future through continuous deposit. It has been discussed the thread that the need for backup funds for investment protection and potential emergencies. For long-term Bitcoin investment/holding. The focus is on getting a decent portfolio by using a DCA strategy approach and increasing the amount deposited over time to address risk in Bitcoin. To increase holdings of volatile and valuable assets like Bitcoin, make gradual deposits and ensure proper use of each cycle to gain profits. Decent holding.

What do you mean by accumulating over 3 cycles over a four-year period?  Usually when we are talking about cycles, then each cycle is 4 years, so if you are referring to three cycles than you are referring to 12 years.

Surely some guys may well take 12 years just to establish their bitcoin position, especially if they might not have a lot of discretionary income or maybe they cannot even invest 10% of their income.. so sure, we might presume that normal people might take more than 10 years just to establish 1 years worth of income invested into bitcoin, especially if all that they can invest is 10% per year... yet still there is variance in regards to how aggressive folks are able to be, specially if they might be able to increase their income and/or cut their expenses.

So I am not completely arguing with the idea that it tends to take a whole lot of time to really start to feel that we are making progress in any kind of investing (savings) that we might do, and surely with any investing that we might do, we are going to be greatly advantaged by having had invested in an asset that ends up having relatively good performance as compared to other places that we could have had put the value.. such as bitcoin (yet future performance is surely not guaranteed in any investment, whether referring to bitcoin or anything else).

Yep.
If a person understands how Bitcoin behaves through the cycles - he would definitely do it long-term no matter the dip or correction he may face along the line.
Those who responsibly look at their accumulated Bitcoins won't get rid of all of them in one swift go.

Yes, if an investor already knows the cycles that usually occur in bitcoin, it is certain that the investor will no longer hesitate to invest in bitcoin for the long term. Because the potential for the Bitcoin cycle to repeat itself every 4 years is 95% and is exactly the same as the previous cycle. What is different is that in each cycle the price of bitcoin always experiences a higher price increase compared to the previous cycle. For this reason, in my opinion there is no need to hesitate to invest in bitcoin. Because in my opinion, currently the most promising investment asset is bitcoin. What I mean by promising here is the potential for profit. That's why many people do DCA on bitcoin, regardless of the market price. This is because of the bitcoin cycle, because with this cycle people who do DCA feel safer. Because buying bitcoin at whatever price now, it is certain that in the next cycle will still make a profit. So basically we don't need to hesitate anymore to invest in bitcoin. Because bitcoin is truly the best investment asset of this decade.

Let me guess, you are right, but take a deep breath and think if it doesn't happen the way you have said it. In an investment, there are always chances that profits are not guaranteed. You have already given a 95% assurance, but you also need to know that 5% of risk, or less than 5% of risk, can terminate every profit you have planned to make from an investment. While investing in Bitcoin (which is 5% risky, as you said), you don't need to put your mind on making profits, all you need to do is understand that you are making a savings for the future (for yourself or for your children). Thinking of the profits you will make during the 4-year cycle might not make you continue investing after the 4 years. What you need to put your mind on is how to continue investing in Bitcoin through the DCA method, because through the DCA method you will be able to benefit from Bitcoin growth, so even after the 4-year cycle you can still continue investing in Bitcoin.

I have a hard time considering any investment (especially over a longer period having a confidence level of 95%.. and surely bitcoin remains amongst the best of investments, and perhaps even the best investment available - yet it still seems prudent to establish somewhat conservative upside scenarios.... so then there may well be considerations regarding how to invest aggressively, yet at the same time protecting oneself (financially and psychologically), at the same time.

[ginsan]

Well, I don't buy the idea for people who are in their accumulation process to sell 20%-50% of their bitcoin investment just because they want to buy their dream car or house and they are yet to accumulate the amount of bitcoin they want to hold for long term. Selling part of your bitcoin when you are still in your accumulation stage has a negative effect, and if you are not mentally strong enough, you will likely sell your bitcoin portfolio if bitcoin increases to the extent where you will regret why you sold part of your bitcoin too early. This is one of the reasons why we should invest in bitcoin with the money we will not need for 4-10 years or more so that we will always be in the position of solving our needs without selling our bitcoin prematurely to solve them.

For me, if the investment that was made recently or let's say the duration of the investment that they have gone through is around 3 years, then it is not right for them to sell at a time like this. They must be able to maintain investment planning for the long term, for example the next 10 years, so there are 7 more years that they must focus on to continue buying Bitcoin.

For investors who have entered the 3rd or 4th year and depending on the initial duration of their entry, of course they must still choose Hold and not be tempted by the desire for profit. Bitcoin is growing rapidly in this world, so having bitcoin is of course choosing a brighter future.

However, mistakes in previous eras must always be remembered and never repeated. The mentality must be truly ready for now in fighting the desire for profit, I think it is better to close the market after buying bitcoin and reopen it when you want to execute again and so on.

[348Judah]

Whenever you try to buy Bitcoin deep, you immediately need to take more solid steps towards the possibility of your investment lasting for a long time. Because future steps are the most important, the more you think about the future, the more aware you will be and the more importance you will start giving to Bitcoin.

Our investment decision today is what determines the kind of future in which we have tomorrow concerning our investment, if we think about having a better future with our investment in bitcoin, then it all starts form today's decision and steps taken, these will ultimately be the drive towards arriving at what we aimed for in the future, that is why our bitcoin foundational background in making investment has to be strong, also, there should be a way in which we do things more of being intentional than when they happened coincidental or by mistake, it also calls our attention to having more closeness to being accurate than more of guessing on what we do, all these are paramount because bitcoin is the need for today and the future for tomorrow in the financial economy and global demands for a decentralized economy.

[Zackz5000]

Bitcoin is a promising investment, steady investment using DCA will guarantee a better lifestyle away from your bitcoin wallet and prepare one for the benefits that will come with bitcoin in the future.

Really you are right?
The way you make various comments about Bitcoin, it seems that Bitcoin is not the only coin that guarantees a good life. I don't understand how investing in Bitcoin guarantees a good life. Many people are more interested in investing in gold instead of investing in Bitcoin. It is seen that if you can invest in gold, you can be the safest and worry-free. But the Bitcoin market is unstable, why did you say it so beautifully? Is it possible? However, the way the Bitcoin market is moving will take a long time to create a good position.

This is not a gold related thread so I don't know why you want to get us distracted by bringing up comparison between gold and bitcoin and do not underestimate bitcoin by placing it below gold as bitcoin has already created a better position for itself. It also seems to me that you Know less about Bitcoin despite it volatility bitcoin has been a more successful investment.

[Btcdeybodi]

Buying during a dip requires confidence and patience. Analyzing market trends is key, but remember, even strong trends can reverse unexpectedly. When aiming for long-term HODLing, every price point can be seen as an opportunity. Instead of focusing on short-term fluctuations, it's about trusting your strategy and seeing dips as potential buying chances rather than setbacks.

Why timing the market if you are investing for a long term? Sure, DIPs are potential buying chances but it does not mean you have to wait for it just because you want to buy bitcoin at cheaper prices. A long term hodler is not interested in the price of his buying point because his target is mostly to build his portfolio and meet his accumulation target. If he has reached his accumulation target, he can then check if he can still over accumulate more or just leave it at the level it is then he can be able to know if he will need a DIP to happen before considering accumulating more because by that time, it will not be a problem to him since he have already reached the satisfactory level of his accumulation.

[Tonimez]

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even though talking about profit is not out of place, if you dwell more about taking profits, you will end up taking profit too soon and never get the best from your investing in bitcoin. proper planning entails that you focus more about buying and accumulating enough bitcoin at this price which will ultimately turn out to becoming the lows in the future and set out good plans that will protect the bitcoin we have already stacked up which is the surest way to be in a good profit knowing that the extent of our profitability in our bitcoin investment is dependent on how much bitcoin we have acquired already.

Maybe we could attempt to emphasize the time element of bitcoin rather than the profit element of bitcoin, just to make a bit of a point.

I am pretty sure that there are ways to structure various kinds of hypotheticals in which a guy reaches or slightly exceeds his BTC accumulation goals, and then soon thereafter enters into some kind of a sustainable withdrawal system in which he is not concerned about profits, but instead just concerned about halving enough and employing sustainable withdrawals.  

Since I personally consider something like the 200-WMA to be a way of measuring enough value that can be sustained, it would likely help if the person either accumulated his bitcoin position over 4 years, held his bitcoin  for 4 years or bought an overwhelming majority of his BTC at around the 200-WMA price.

So there seems to be quite a bit more flexibility for guys to have their costs below the 200-WMA so that they do not necessarily have to concern themselves about the extent to which any of their spot price sales are in profits.. that is once they reach a point of even being ready for selling any of their BTC.. which I think is getting to a status of already overly accumulating a decent stash of BTC, so it seems best to get to a status of overaccumulation first.  

We could come up with some examples of a guy who just gets into bitcoin and pretty much accumulates all of the bitcoin at once, such as he had just recently come across some money like an inheritance or maybe selling a property (or selling a business) or even winning the lottery.... So this guy is going to want to use bitcoin as an investment and as a way to slowly draw from his wealth.. he gives little shits about whether he is in profits or not, yet he already knows enough about bitcoin to appreciate that if he measures his withdrawal of value based on the 200-WMA.. then he likely could withdraw at some thing like 10% per year in a perpetual kind of a way...   There would be quite a few ways to describe such examples of hypothetical guys, even though it seems that in this thread, we are presuming accumulating bitcoin over time rather than lump summing into bitcoin, especially since it seems way more likely that normal people who are investing into bitcoin, rather than trading bitcoin, will end up investing into bitcoin over decently long periods of time rather than lump summing into bitcoin with perhaps a few large allocations into it.

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Investors should not be misled by the lure of guaranteed profits. Bitcoin investors should be recommended that long-term deposit through the DCA method Profitability to get huge profit. Still, to make a profit investors should to accumulate more than three cycles over a four-year period through discretionary income. Bitcoin can be financially helpful to you in the future through continuous deposit. It has been discussed the thread that the need for backup funds for investment protection and potential emergencies. For long-term Bitcoin investment/holding. The focus is on getting a decent portfolio by using a DCA strategy approach and increasing the amount deposited over time to address risk in Bitcoin. To increase holdings of volatile and valuable assets like Bitcoin, make gradual deposits and ensure proper use of each cycle to gain profits. Decent holding.

What do you mean by accumulating over 3 cycles over a four-year period?  Usually when we are talking about cycles, then each cycle is 4 years, so if you are referring to three cycles than you are referring to 12 years.

Surely some guys may well take 12 years just to establish their bitcoin position, especially if they might not have a lot of discretionary income or maybe they cannot even invest 10% of their income.. so sure, we might presume that normal people might take more than 10 years just to establish 1 years worth of income invested into bitcoin, especially if all that they can invest is 10% per year... yet still there is variance in regards to how aggressive folks are able to be, specially if they might be able to increase their income and/or cut their expenses.

So I am not completely arguing with the idea that it tends to take a whole lot of time to really start to feel that we are making progress in any kind of investing (savings) that we might do, and surely with any investing that we might do, we are going to be greatly advantaged by having had invested in an asset that ends up having relatively good performance as compared to other places that we could have had put the value.. such as bitcoin (yet future performance is surely not guaranteed in any investment, whether referring to bitcoin or anything else).

Yep.
If a person understands how Bitcoin behaves through the cycles - he would definitely do it long-term no matter the dip or correction he may face along the line.
Those who responsibly look at their accumulated Bitcoins won't get rid of all of them in one swift go.

Yes, if an investor already knows the cycles that usually occur in bitcoin, it is certain that the investor will no longer hesitate to invest in bitcoin for the long term. Because the potential for the Bitcoin cycle to repeat itself every 4 years is 95% and is exactly the same as the previous cycle. What is different is that in each cycle the price of bitcoin always experiences a higher price increase compared to the previous cycle. For this reason, in my opinion there is no need to hesitate to invest in bitcoin. Because in my opinion, currently the most promising investment asset is bitcoin. What I mean by promising here is the potential for profit. That's why many people do DCA on bitcoin, regardless of the market price. This is because of the bitcoin cycle, because with this cycle people who do DCA feel safer. Because buying bitcoin at whatever price now, it is certain that in the next cycle will still make a profit. So basically we don't need to hesitate anymore to invest in bitcoin. Because bitcoin is truly the best investment asset of this decade.

Let me guess, you are right, but take a deep breath and think if it doesn't happen the way you have said it. In an investment, there are always chances that profits are not guaranteed. You have already given a 95% assurance, but you also need to know that 5% of risk, or less than 5% of risk, can terminate every profit you have planned to make from an investment. While investing in Bitcoin (which is 5% risky, as you said), you don't need to put your mind on making profits, all you need to do is understand that you are making a savings for the future (for yourself or for your children). Thinking of the profits you will make during the 4-year cycle might not make you continue investing after the 4 years. What you need to put your mind on is how to continue investing in Bitcoin through the DCA method, because through the DCA method you will be able to benefit from Bitcoin growth, so even after the 4-year cycle you can still continue investing in Bitcoin.

I have a hard time considering any investment (especially over a longer period having a confidence level of 95%.. and surely bitcoin remains amongst the best of investments, and perhaps even the best investment available - yet it still seems prudent to establish somewhat conservative upside scenarios.... so then there may well be considerations regarding how to invest aggressively, yet at the same time protecting oneself (financially and psychologically), at the same time.

Buying bitcoin at every dip implies buying bitcoin regularly. Bitcoin investment is not just like every other cryptocurrency investment. This is because it holds a promising future due to its limited supply.

"The maximum number of Bitcoins that will be created through mining is 21 million. As of December 2023, there were about 1.4 million Bitcoins left to be mined.1 This finite supply is one reason why some people believe Bitcoin will increase in value over time".

To me, when every single bitcoin gets into the hands of the investors in the future, bitcoin will be on a regular increase having a new ATH most frequently.

Bitcoin dips occur daily but most times only traders spot the dips. Even though I don't encourage trading, it is good to understand that what lies ahead of bitcoin is the reason to buy every Dip and hodl.

Trading makes someone always hungry and anxious and exposes a person to a higher risk. Bitcoin is a generational wealth and should be invested in for a long-term.

[laspol65]

Buying during a dip requires confidence and patience. Analyzing market trends is key, but remember, even strong trends can reverse unexpectedly. When aiming for long-term HODLing, every price point can be seen as an opportunity. Instead of focusing on short-term fluctuations, it's about trusting your strategy and seeing dips as potential buying chances rather than setbacks.

Why timing the market if you are investing for a long term? Sure, DIPs are potential buying chances but it does not mean you have to wait for it just because you want to buy bitcoin at cheaper prices. A long term hodler is not interested in the price of his buying point because his target is mostly to build his portfolio and meet his accumulation target. If he has reached his accumulation target, he can then check if he can still over accumulate more or just leave it at the level it is then he can be able to know if he will need a DIP to happen before considering accumulating more because by that time, it will not be a problem to him since he have already reached the satisfactory level of his accumulation.

Different people use steps in different ways, but I think that once a dip is bought in the Bitcoin market, it takes a long time for the next dip to occur.  But I think that whenever a person buys a dip, that person immediately gets the time to fund for the next period, and if he wants to buy bitcoins at any rate weekly or monthly in the DCA system, he can certainly do so, but he must be patient to buy each point. have to do  And to sustain it for a long time requires considerable time and patience strength and capacity to take risks is most important.

[Barikui1]

Always buying at the considered dip requires extra ammos. This will be tough for an average bitcoiner.

What makes people refrain from doing buying action during every dip is confusion and doubt. Analyzing the current trend is one of the recipes in making a speculation which will result on next strategy. At most of the cases, if we say today is downtrend, it will be the case that will lasts for long period. But sometimes, people doesn't think of other way around that even how powerful a trend is, it can be reversed anytime.

So what to do now? Trust your judgement if it was properly analyzed. After all, if the purpose is really to HODL for long, people can considered every price level as dipping level*.

Buying during a dip requires confidence and patience. Analyzing market trends is key, but remember, even strong trends can reverse unexpectedly. When aiming for long-term HODLing, every price point can be seen as an opportunity. Instead of focusing on short-term fluctuations, it's about trusting your strategy and seeing dips as potential buying chances rather than setbacks.

Because you are still new hear, it would be wrong to correct you harshly, but you need to know that analyzing the market trends as a Bitcoin investor is not necessary, the job of a Bitcoin investor is to buy Bitcoin and hold resiliently irrespective of anything that may arise in the future, so saying that analyzing the market trends is key as a Bitcoin investor is not right, it's only traders that analyze the market  on a frequent basis.

Then as for the second statement I made bold in your write up, it makes no sense to be using any strategy as an investor, analyzing the market, trusting of strategy is  mainly for traders because as a Bitcoin investor, once you buy it, the only thing that is required from you for your investment to go smoothly without you tempering with it in the future is by having a reliable source of income and an emergency funds, so that you won't have to fall back to your investment when in serious financial needs, once you have both of these in place you are good to go bro, so stop saying that we need to analyze the market or even trust a strategy,  because that's for traders only.

[sotelorene]

Bitcoin is a promising investment, steady investment using DCA will guarantee a better lifestyle away from your bitcoin wallet and prepare one for the benefits that will come with bitcoin in the future.

Really you are right?
The way you make various comments about Bitcoin, it seems that Bitcoin is not the only coin that guarantees a good life. I don't understand how investing in Bitcoin guarantees a good life. Many people are more interested in investing in gold instead of investing in Bitcoin. It is seen that if you can invest in gold, you can be the safest and worry-free. But the Bitcoin market is unstable, why did you say it so beautifully? Is it possible? However, the way the Bitcoin market is moving will take a long time to create a good position.

as much as I will love to say that Bitcoin is not the coin that guarantees good life but I will also like to inform you that Bitcoin is way better and safe than those other coins you guy think can also give good life which I don't think is certain or for sure even if you hold them for years, any coin aside Bitcoin is not certain because you don't know the possibility of it going up and in the cause of investing in then you can easily lose your money. And where do you get the information that many people are interested in investing in gold?

However, even if Bitcoin is not 100 percent guarantee I still prefer it to other coin because it has proven itself over time and the volatility of Bitcoin shouldn't be a problem because that is how it is meant to be, you can just invest in it and expect it to just continue appreciating perhaps the fluctuation are the factors just like other investment has factors too but this factor doesn't prevent it from being the greatest of all time. Be careful with the kind decision you will take in investing because this your idea and mindset can make you invest in a wrong place and untill you incur loss you won't know what I'm talking about.

[Frankolala]

Buying during a dip requires confidence and patience. Analyzing market trends is key, but remember, even strong trends can reverse unexpectedly. When aiming for long-term HODLing, every price point can be seen as an opportunity. Instead of focusing on short-term fluctuations, it's about trusting your strategy and seeing dips as potential buying chances rather than setbacks.

Why timing the market if you are investing for a long term? Sure, DIPs are potential buying chances but it does not mean you have to wait for it just because you want to buy bitcoin at cheaper prices. A long term hodler is not interested in the price of his buying point because his target is mostly to build his portfolio and meet his accumulation target. If he has reached his accumulation target, he can then check if he can still over accumulate more or just leave it at the level it is then he can be able to know if he will need a DIP to happen before considering accumulating more because by that time, it will not be a problem to him since he have already reached the satisfactory level of his accumulation.

Different people use steps in different ways, but I think that once a dip is bought in the Bitcoin market, it takes a long time for the next dip to occur.  But I think that whenever a person buys a dip, that person immediately gets the time to fund for the next period, and if he wants to buy bitcoins at any rate weekly or monthly in the DCA system, he can certainly do so, but he must be patient to buy each point. have to do  And to sustain it for a long time requires considerable time and patience strength and capacity to take risks is most important.

Nobody can tell when a dip will come or when it will last. This is why a new investor should forget about buying the dip and focus on building his bitcoin portfolio bit by bit with DCA method where you have the opportunity to buy bitcoin every week or monthly with consistent and persistent irrespective of the price of bitcoin since you are on a long term journey.

Not taking the risk to invest in bitcoin is riskier than taking the risk to invest in bitcoin. This is why it's better to risk it and invest in bitcoin since it's a good asset worth throwing some value into and grow it overtime with the right amount from your discretionary income. Have a target and stay focus on achieving your goal. Emergency funds is needed to survive in your bitcoin accumulation journey.

[Promocodeudo]

Yes, if an investor already knows the cycles that usually occur in bitcoin, it is certain that the investor will no longer hesitate to invest in bitcoin for the long term. Because the potential for the Bitcoin cycle to repeat itself every 4 years is 95% and is exactly the same as the previous cycle. What is different is that in each cycle the price of bitcoin always experiences a higher price increase compared to the previous cycle. For this reason, in my opinion there is no need to hesitate to invest in bitcoin. Because in my opinion, currently the most promising investment asset is bitcoin. What I mean by promising here is the potential for profit. That's why many people do DCA on bitcoin, regardless of the market price. This is because of the bitcoin cycle, because with this cycle people who do DCA feel safer. Because buying bitcoin at whatever price now, it is certain that in the next cycle will still make a profit. So basically we don't need to hesitate anymore to invest in bitcoin. Because bitcoin is truly the best investment asset of this decade.

Buddy the cycle you've consistently mentioned is just 4years which I believe to every bitcoiner that understands the concept  of Bitcoin will not want to call that a long-term, with the look of things though I won't read your mind you feel that 4years is a long-term and may be because of the mindset that in very cycle their may be a kind of a higher shift in Bitcoin than the previous cycle then you see it necessary that every Bitcoiner can invest since there may be a good profit in every cycle as you assume, that's laughable mate, you shouldn't be concentrating on such number of years and still call yourself a long-term investor, there are things that may trigger you to sell prematurely and I think you've started doing those already, people don't invest in bitcoin because of the cycle that's not the major reason though profit could be individual reason for bitcoin investment but people mainly invest in Bitcoin for a long term because of trust and security, some persons that invest in Bitcoin for retirement do it for the said purpose knowing fully well that its an investment thats future assured and I think that future is not the 4 years that you keep mentioning.
Buddy my advise for you is to concentrate on a long-term look beyond the 4 years cycle, don't see 4years as a long-term so that you won't have the mindset of selling so quick to avoid regret.

[retreat]

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However, even if Bitcoin is not 100 percent guarantee I still prefer it to other coin because it has proven itself over time and the volatility of Bitcoin shouldn't be a problem because that is how it is meant to be, you can just invest in it and expect it to just continue appreciating perhaps the fluctuation are the factors just like other investment has factors too but this factor doesn't prevent it from being the greatest of all time. Be careful with the kind decision you will take in investing because this your idea and mindset can make you invest in a wrong place and untill you incur loss you won't know what I'm talking about.

Simply put, someone who wants to invest in Bitcoin needs to think carefully about the risks and use one of the methods for their investment whether it is DCA or lump sum, and set their investment for the long term, to make sure that they can get better returns from it. Because most people only know that Bitcoin can give them profits, but they invest with the wrong approach - they invest in the short term and tend to be like gambling. An investor should think carefully about their decision and invest using their discretionary money or a few percent of their income continuously - and they need to hold it for the long term until they can get profits.

[Y3shot]

Bitcoin is a promising investment, steady investment using DCA will guarantee a better lifestyle away from your bitcoin wallet and prepare one for the benefits that will come with bitcoin in the future.

Really you are right?
The way you make various comments about Bitcoin, it seems that Bitcoin is not the only coin that guarantees a good life. I don't understand how investing in Bitcoin guarantees a good life. Many people are more interested in investing in gold instead of investing in Bitcoin. It is seen that if you can invest in gold, you can be the safest and worry-free. But the Bitcoin market is unstable, why did you say it so beautifully? Is it possible? However, the way the Bitcoin market is moving will take a long time to create a good position.

You should understand that the purpose of this thread is to discuss about bitcoin and how it can be invest easily for those who really want to invest in bitcoin. You can choose to invest what you may think is good for you but as for many of us in this thread we choose to invest bitcoin and we will always preach about bitcoin to beginners and those who don't have much understanding of going about it. The DCA method is one of the simplest methods that is used in investing bitcoin no matter the financial status one belongs, just be consistent and eith time you will be able to accumulate fine amount of Bitcoin which will be profitable in the future if you hodl it.