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If you invest in bitcoin with the motive of selling it when the price get to a sating level it then mean you are a semi trader, and you are the gambling at the same time, you are not an investor, because a real investor we keep accumulating bitcoin and hold unto it for long period of time, 5 to 10 years or more depending on your target, because every investors must not have the same target and the same mindset when it comes to bitcoin investment.
If you buy bitcoin and decide to hold for 1 to 2 circle do you also consider such person as a semi trader? Because holding for that long period might be for different purpose but making profit is always part of that reason, for that 5 to 10 years period a holder can actually have a speculated price in mind where he picture bitcoin to be at that point in time even if it don’t get their or get above that expected price, holding for long does not restrict the investor from having a selling price target. It is best to hold Bitcoin for as long as possible before selling it especially when you hold large amount. It is only the small holders that would be anticipating on selling part of their Bitcoin especially when the price of Bitcoin has increased to a certain point. Those who understand what it means by holding will not even bother about selling to make little profits and buying buying back when price goes down. Holding Bitcoin is always profitable in a long run and it's good when you hold for at least two circle so the price might have gone high above the level you bought. I think there is a habit for small and large investors to sell Bitcoin who do not understand its true value. If large investors have a relatively large Bitcoin holding they should try to buy more. This is because they are probably more experienced and should have an idea of the future price of Bitcoin. For small investors Bitcoin accumulation are an opportunity from discretionary income that they can add to their portfolio on a regular basis. Since their accumulation amount are relatively small, they should buy Bitcoin and continue to hold it for the long term. Long-term holding involves profits but you should focus on holding rather than making profits and should have a decent bitcoin portfolio. You should not consider the time to get a decent portfolio if you have sufficient and reliable sources of income for the longer term even until retirement. I want to clarify you on what you just said but before I do that I would want to ask what you mean by large investor? And if large investors mean investors that have good number or figure of Bitcoin in their portfolio then I can tell you for free that that even newbie can be a large investor depending on the level of income and discretionary they have because there are newbie that before they start the DCA officially they will first lump sum base on their capacity and then later start accumulating small small and it is really a nice strategy. Moreover, long term investment doesn't involve profit rather it brings profit because there is no way you will invest and hold for long time without having a profit and off course holding is what brings about the profit and not just holding, if you hold very little your profit will be measure according to what you hold and if you hold a good number definitely it will be great.
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Anyone one who is doubting bitcoin is an unbeliever to bitcoin potentials and if the person intend to invest in bitcoin with double mimd the person we never get it right, for the fact that bitcoin is highly volatile in nature it is not advisable for someone to invest in it with double mind, because bitcoin investment required someone to be committed and focus for that is the only way you can accumulating bitcoin properly using any other strategies.
Every good venture like Bitcoin tends to have a lot of critics to it's cause, when there's nobody against or attacking an innovation, it sends a negative message about that invention. You cannot force everybody to like Bitcoin, funny enough most of those who used to fight Bitcoin now saw it's value and invested into it. For example JP Morgan once said in 2017 that Bitcoin is a fraud that would ultimately blow up and same JP Morgan owns about $731,246 in spot ETFs. Signaling he just turned believer. Nobody comes into a new innovation fully convinced, they always give it a try and increase their conviction along the way, it's fine to have some elements of doubt at the beginning of your investment into Bitcoin, but as you learn more about Bitcoin and advance in your accumulation journey having the long-term mindset. Your conviction and appreciation of Bitcoin would improve considerably. You just nailed it Sticky Bomb. Yea. Critics is right and accepted as it is another means of keeping the new inventor on his or her feet inorder to make things right and also ensure quality and good sustainability for a long run if such inventions are genuine. And about doubts, I think it's a natural phenomenon. I think it's more like been careful, been skeptical in full participation, yea! This is something you have not done before. So it is only natural you may not believe the process since you have never experienced it. Imagine someone getting into Bitcoin investment for the first time, He should fear and have doubts. Even though he has seen its workability, or heard of its goodwill. Even though such a person has made all the needed research about Bitcoin, knows about its volatile nature, learns about how to study the market, how to buy and hold for long time, etc, so long as it's investment or trading as the case may be, since it's a new person in the business, doubts must be there. When one experiences everything first hand, only then can one build confidence in the process. Bitcoin investment especially for a long term is a great deal. It's okay if one doubts, but the process if involved fully with future plans will clear the doubts completely.
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February 18, 2025, 07:25:29 PM |
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If you invest in bitcoin with the motive of selling it when the price get to a sating level it then mean you are a semi trader, and you are the gambling at the same time, you are not an investor, because a real investor we keep accumulating bitcoin and hold unto it for long period of time, 5 to 10 years or more depending on your target, because every investors must not have the same target and the same mindset when it comes to bitcoin investment.
If you buy bitcoin and decide to hold for 1 to 2 circle do you also consider such person as a semi trader? Because holding for that long period might be for different purpose but making profit is always part of that reason, for that 5 to 10 years period a holder can actually have a speculated price in mind where he picture bitcoin to be at that point in time even if it don’t get their or get above that expected price, holding for long does not restrict the investor from having a selling price target. It is best to hold Bitcoin for as long as possible before selling it especially when you hold large amount. It is only the small holders that would be anticipating on selling part of their Bitcoin especially when the price of Bitcoin has increased to a certain point. Those who understand what it means by holding will not even bother about selling to make little profits and buying buying back when price goes down. Holding Bitcoin is always profitable in a long run and it's good when you hold for at least two circle so the price might have gone high above the level you bought. It is wrong to stress that those that have large amounts of bitcoin in there portfolio are the ones that are to hold for long time, to me it is important for both large holders and low coiner in fact low coiner are supposed to hold longer than those investors who have a large amount of bitcoin in their holding although all investors do have there investments plans as regards the amount of bitcoin they wish to accumulate and there investments timeline. So if an investor with a large holding should have an investment timeline of 10-15yrs ,a low coiner should be targeting more than that, may be 15-25 yrs. However all long-term investors do have there investments timeline.
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February 18, 2025, 07:53:24 PM |
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It's not every investor that will have the time to start analyzing the market because they're busy making money to keep their bitcoin investment ongoing. This is why if you care about buying more bitcoin at a cheaper rate, you should plan for it by building up a reserve funds , so that when there's a dip, you can buy. However, new beginners shouldn't bother about market analysis because it's useless for an investor. If you are an old investor and want to study market analysis, that's your choice. No one can know the bottom line of the dip, but with your active DCA ongoing, you will be privileged to buy at the bottom line of the dip.
If you are not a trader, why do you need to analyze the market? What does an investor do by analyzing the market where he has to buy regularly? Does an experienced investor need market analysis to be aggressive in investing? I would say, no. He does not need market analysis. Because, he may have a fund with which he can be aggressive in investing. A newbie or an oldie does not need market analysis if he does not feel the need. But I do not consider it as part of the crime. An investor should always be focused on buying. He should analyze how he can improve his source of income or how to make his holdings bigger and safer or how to keep the backup funds strong. Market analysis is the most necessary thing for a trader. Because their core skill is on market analysis. Although, accumulation of Bitcoin is a decentralize investment but irrespective of that the importance of market analysis in Bitcoin investment cannot be undermined because it motivate investors to have more passion for investment and help to have good understanding of Bitcoin investment or even trading. Market analysis also enable investors to evaluate the performance of their investment to enable them make good decision that will enhance the efficiency of their investment to generate good return that will optimize the sustainability of their investment in the future. So, considering the significant role of market analysis in trading and investment I will say that market nalysis is very important to both traders and investors. Since you are a low coiner attempting to invest in bitcoin for the long-term purpose and trading bitcoin for the short-term profit at the same time, it will be of no good to you than ending up in selling the bitcoin you are accumulating for the long-term purpose to survive because if you are stuck in trading bitcoin for the short-term profit and don't have enough money left that will take care of your daily expenses, you have no choice but to sell part or all the bitcoin you have been accumulating for the long-term. If I were you, since I am a low coiner, I would focus on accumulating bitcoin for the long term so that I will always have enough money to sort out my daily expenses and also not be distracted from my accumulation journey.
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February 18, 2025, 08:42:05 PM Last edit: February 18, 2025, 08:53:07 PM by Tmoonz |
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Anyone one who is doubting bitcoin is an unbeliever to bitcoin potentials and if the person intend to invest in bitcoin with double mimd the person we never get it right, for the fact that bitcoin is highly volatile in nature it is not advisable for someone to invest in it with double mind, because bitcoin investment required someone to be committed and focus for that is the only way you can accumulating bitcoin properly using any other strategies.
Every good venture like Bitcoin tends to have a lot of critics to it's cause, when there's nobody against or attacking an innovation, it sends a negative message about that invention. You cannot force everybody to like Bitcoin, funny enough most of those who used to fight Bitcoin now saw it's value and invested into it. For example JP Morgan once said in 2017 that Bitcoin is a fraud that would ultimately blow up and same JP Morgan owns about $731,246 in spot ETFs. Signaling he just turned believer. Nobody comes into a new innovation fully convinced, they always give it a try and increase their conviction along the way, it's fine to have some elements of doubt at the beginning of your investment into Bitcoin, but as you learn more about Bitcoin and advance in your accumulation journey having the long-term mindset. Your conviction and appreciation of Bitcoin would improve considerably. You just nailed it Sticky Bomb. Yea. Critics is right and accepted as it is another means of keeping the new inventor on his or her feet inorder to make things right and also ensure quality and good sustainability for a long run if such inventions are genuine. And about doubts, I think it's a natural phenomenon. I think it's more like been careful, been skeptical in full participation, yea! This is something you have not done before. So it is only natural you may not believe the process since you have never experienced it. Imagine someone getting into Bitcoin investment for the first time, He should fear and have doubts. Even though he has seen its workability, or heard of its goodwill. Even though such a person has made all the needed research about Bitcoin, knows about its volatile nature, learns about how to study the market, how to buy and hold for long time, etc, so long as it's investment or trading as the case may be, since it's a new person in the business, doubts must be there. When one experiences everything first hand, only then can one build confidence in the process. Bitcoin investment especially for a long term is a great deal. It's okay if one doubts, but the process if involved fully with future plans will clear the doubts completely. I have always considered the whole Bitcoin environment to be pretty much easier for those of us coming in now compared to those that were pretty much skeptical about it in the past, ours is more better that Bitcoin has already left so many landmarks, histories and principles that will will give courage and accompany us down the road even though there is no guarantee, Bitcoin is no longer new that one needed to break a walls to understand prior to getting started but yet it is still a growing asset where one can never get enough of it's information prior to getting started, Why being skeptical when the testimonies is already written boldly before you, some have regretted already, we should always count ourselves luck and embrace it with bold hands and mind you there must a discretionary income as regards to getting started which I see as the greatest commandment to be adhere when it comes to investing in Bitcoin all other things can be figured out along the line. Now I will say it is better for anyone to say that they don't have enough to take care of their basic needs let alone investing in Bitcoin rather than being skeptical about what Bitcoin can do or not with procrastination.
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February 18, 2025, 08:50:15 PM Last edit: February 18, 2025, 09:29:57 PM by JayJuanGee |
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If you invest in bitcoin with the motive of selling it when the price get to a sating level it then mean you are a semi trader, and you are the gambling at the same time, you are not an investor, because a real investor we keep accumulating bitcoin and hold unto it for long period of time, 5 to 10 years or more depending on your target, because every investors must not have the same target and the same mindset when it comes to bitcoin investment.
If you buy bitcoin and decide to hold for 1 to 2 circle do you also consider such person as a semi trader? Because holding for that long period might be for different purpose but making profit is always part of that reason, for that 5 to 10 years period a holder can actually have a speculated price in mind where he picture bitcoin to be at that point in time even if it don’t get their or get above that expected price, holding for long does not restrict the investor from having a selling price target. Many of us are not referring to bitcoin investment targets as a way to sell most if not all of our BTC, since that probably would not be considered investment, even if it is a long period of time. If you invest into bitcoin for a long time, then you likely don't need to sell all of it, even though you would likely have more options by having had built up your bitcoin investment , including shaving off bitcoin from time to time in sustainable ways whether done based on price based parameters or time based parameters. In other words, there should be no reason to invest and save in bitcoin for 10 years or more and then all of a sudden become a no coiner, even if at some point we might transition from no longer accumulating bitcoin as much or we might transition into a maintenance stage or sure we can start to liquidate our BTC holdings, yet we still might not need to rush to liquidate unless we have age and/or health related concerns that might contribute towards our needing to cash out more quickly than otherwise justifiable. It's not every investor that will have the time to start analyzing the market because they're busy making money to keep their bitcoin investment ongoing. This is why if you care about buying more bitcoin at a cheaper rate, you should plan for it by building up a reserve funds , so that when there's a dip, you can buy. However, new beginners shouldn't bother about market analysis because it's useless for an investor. If you are an old investor and want to study market analysis, that's your choice. No one can know the bottom line of the dip, but with your active DCA ongoing, you will be privileged to buy at the bottom line of the dip.
If you are not a trader, why do you need to analyze the market? What does an investor do by analyzing the market where he has to buy regularly? Does an experienced investor need market analysis to be aggressive in investing? I would say, no. He does not need market analysis. Because, he may have a fund with which he can be aggressive in investing. A newbie or an oldie does not need market analysis if he does not feel the need. But I do not consider it as part of the crime. An investor should always be focused on buying. He should analyze how he can improve his source of income or how to make his holdings bigger and safer or how to keep the backup funds strong. Market analysis is the most necessary thing for a trader. Because their core skill is on market analysis. Although, accumulation of Bitcoin is a decentralize investment but irrespective of that the importance of market analysis in Bitcoin investment cannot be undermined because it motivate investors to have more passion for investment and help to have good understanding of Bitcoin investment or even trading. Market analysis also enable investors to evaluate the performance of their investment to enable them make good decision that will enhance the efficiency of their investment to generate good return that will optimize the sustainability of their investment in the future. So, considering the significant role of market analysis in trading and investment I will say that market nalysis is very important to both traders and investors.The essential answer is that investors don't need to engage in BTC price analysis, yet there could be some value to entertain your proclamation. There may be some need to figure out what traders might analyze versus what investors might analyze, and surely there sometimes can be some overlap in the kinds of things traders and investors might look at and even some of the practices might overlap in such a way to be confusing regarding whether is trading versus investing. Frequently traders are looking at technical analysis rather than fundamental analysis to try to figure out short term BTC price moves, yet some of the traders are playing longer periods for their trades rather than short periods so they may be trying to time their bitcoin exposure within a cycle to try to catch the top and the bottoms in terms of longer timelines (trying to play the cycle wave). Whether the trader trades with his whole stash or parts of his stash might also cause kinds of traders to seem to overlap with investors, in the event that the traders might ONLY be selling small percentages of their BTC stash, yet with intentions to buy back cheaper in the event that the BTC price goes down from the price point of their sale. Longer term investors should not be getting worked up about short-term BTC price moves, yet the still may want to analyze various bitcoin fundamentals, which they don't really need to analyze bitcoin fundamentals prior to their getting started investing into bitcoin, yet as they are investing into bitcoin they might choose to spend time analyzing their own budget so that they can figure out ways to ongoingly invest within the parameters of their own budget, their own psychology, and maybe with more confidence in regards to becoming more aggressive in their bitcoin investment once they have spent time analyzing bitcoin fundamentals. The intention of the bitcoin might not be narrowed into profits, even though profitability and the size of their bitcoin stash would likely end up giving them more options later down the road, such as 4-10 years or longer. An investor might also assess and reassess their bitcoin investment from time to time, to try to figure out the extent to which the strength of their investment thesis (reason for getting into bitcoin in the first place) is becoming stronger or weaker with the passage of time, and so a longer term investor could end up abandoning their investment into bitcoin based on their assessment that bitcoin's investment thesis had gotten weaker with the passage of time, and that they might start to feel that it is no longer warranted to buy bitcoin or to stay invested in bitcoin. Assessments of fundamental value and the strength of bitcoin as an investment would still be different kinds of assessments as compared to the kinds of price movement assessments that traders might be doing, yet an investor still might decide to try to exit his investment into bitcoin by using trading analysis in order to try to time their exit in a more profitable kind of a way, to the extent that might be possible to accomplish, unless the investor ends up panic exiting based on changed assessments of the strength of bitcoin's fundamentals. Even if investors do not need to assess BTC price movements to get into investing into bitcoin, there still can be overlap in the kind of assessments that might be made, yet if a person is investing for the long term, he may not need to engage in any analysis at all beyond being convinced that bitcoin is a good enough investment for him to buy regularly, and sure the more confident that bitcoin investor becomes about bitcoin, then the more aggressive that bitcoin investor can become in his bitcoin accumulation, stacking and even long term HODLing, yet he still may have a timeline that is way into the future, such as 10-20 years or longer, and even the shorter term investor that might be looking at 4-10 years, might merely be planning shorter investment timelines based on age and/or health considerations, yet none of these investors would need to do much analysis beyond considering that the bitcoin price should be higher in 4-10 years when they will need the money, while knowing that they are not guaranteed to be in profits when they need their money, yet the investors who get into bitcoin are willing to take their chances based on their overall assessment that bitcoin is an asymmetric bet to the upside with decently strong fundamentals that gives them confidence to put money into bitcoin.. Traders are way more focused on short-term price moves as compared with investors, even if they might have timelines that are longer such as a year or two or even if they might be wanting to play a bit longer, such as more than 4 years, they still might be considering bitcoin as a trade, even though they might get mixed up with investors and overlapping themselves with investors in terms of their having a longer than usual timeline in terms of their planned trading timeline. Anyone one who is doubting bitcoin is an unbeliever to bitcoin potentials and if the person intend to invest in bitcoin with double mimd the person we never get it right, for the fact that bitcoin is highly volatile in nature it is not advisable for someone to invest in it with double mind, because bitcoin investment required someone to be committed and focus for that is the only way you can accumulating bitcoin properly using any other strategies.
Every good venture like Bitcoin tends to have a lot of critics to it's cause, when there's nobody against or attacking an innovation, it sends a negative message about that invention. You cannot force everybody to like Bitcoin, funny enough most of those who used to fight Bitcoin now saw it's value and invested into it. For example JP Morgan once said in 2017 that Bitcoin is a fraud that would ultimately blow up and same JP Morgan owns about $731,246 in spot ETFs. Signaling he just turned believer. Nobody comes into a new innovation fully convinced, they always give it a try and increase their conviction along the way, it's fine to have some elements of doubt at the beginning of your investment into Bitcoin, but as you learn more about Bitcoin and advance in your accumulation journey having the long-term mindset. Your conviction and appreciation of Bitcoin would improve considerably. You just nailed it Sticky Bomb. Yea. Critics is right and accepted as it is another means of keeping the new inventor on his or her feet inorder to make things right and also ensure quality and good sustainability for a long run if such inventions are genuine. And about doubts, I think it's a natural phenomenon. I think it's more like been careful, been skeptical in full participation, yea! This is something you have not done before. So it is only natural you may not believe the process since you have never experienced it. Imagine someone getting into Bitcoin investment for the first time, He should fear and have doubts. Even though he has seen its workability, or heard of its goodwill. Even though such a person has made all the needed research about Bitcoin, knows about its volatile nature, learns about how to study the market, how to buy and hold for long time, etc, so long as it's investment or trading as the case may be, since it's a new person in the business, doubts must be there. When one experiences everything first hand, only then can one build confidence in the process. Bitcoin investment especially for a long term is a great deal. It's okay if one doubts, but the process if involved fully with future plans will clear the doubts completely. The more doubts that any newbie has about bitcoin should result in his adjusting his position size to reflect his doubts, so in that regard, if the newbie bitcoin investor has a lot of doubts then maybe he would invest on the lower end of the scale, such as 5% of his income rather than 25%, and surely there are some who might even choose to go below 5% based on their having a lot of doubts rather than being based upon their financial abilities. Many folks will choose not to invest into bitcoin based on their doubts, which many of us know is the wrong solution, so instead of investing aggressively, they should still choose to invest, but merely to invest more conservatively in alignment with their doubts, which we frequently had referred to a need for everyone to invest something into bitcoin and to get off of zero, which continues to be a pretty BIG problem with and overwhelming majority of the world's population (perhaps close to 99%?) being in the status of no coiners (aka pre-coiners) and low coiners.
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Although, accumulation of Bitcoin is a decentralize investment but irrespective of that the importance of market analysis in Bitcoin investment cannot be undermined because it motivate investors to have more passion for investment and help to have good understanding of Bitcoin investment or even trading. Market analysis also enable investors to evaluate the performance of their investment to enable them make good decision that will enhance the efficiency of their investment to generate good return that will optimize the sustainability of their investment in the future. So, considering the significant role of market analysis in trading and investment I will say that market nalysis is very important to both traders and investors.
I think there is no need to analyze the price when buying bitcoin, you want to invest for the long term you can buy it at the current price. No need to worry about the price because your goal is to invest, so in investment planning of course you will accumulate many stages of purchase if you invest with the DCA strategy. Even with lump sum purchases there is no need to do price analysis because the main target is investing in bitcoin for the long term. Your suggestion is not very good, because it will trigger concerns for novice investors because they think they have to be good at analyzing prices to be able to buy bitcoin even though it is not necessary at all in routine accumulation with DCA. Don't equate it with traders because holders are winners, not traders.
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If you invest in bitcoin with the motive of selling it when the price get to a sating level it then mean you are a semi trader, and you are the gambling at the same time, you are not an investor, because a real investor we keep accumulating bitcoin and hold unto it for long period of time, 5 to 10 years or more depending on your target, because every investors must not have the same target and the same mindset when it comes to bitcoin investment.
If you buy bitcoin and decide to hold for 1 to 2 circle do you also consider such person as a semi trader? Because holding for that long period might be for different purpose but making profit is always part of that reason, for that 5 to 10 years period a holder can actually have a speculated price in mind where he picture bitcoin to be at that point in time even if it don’t get their or get above that expected price, holding for long does not restrict the investor from having a selling price target. It is best to hold Bitcoin for as long as possible before selling it especially when you hold large amount. It is only the small holders that would be anticipating on selling part of their Bitcoin especially when the price of Bitcoin has increased to a certain point. Those who understand what it means by holding will not even bother about selling to make little profits and buying buying back when price goes down. Holding Bitcoin is always profitable in a long run and it's good when you hold for at least two circle so the price might have gone high above the level you bought. So what you are trying to say is that those investors who are holding a small amount of bitcoin in their portfolio shouldn't hold their bitcoin for a long term just because their bitcoin is not a large amount, and you see them as investors who will sell their bitcoin for short-term profit if bitcoin gets to a certain level. But I want you to understand that both the big and small investors can hold their bitcoin portfolio for as long as they want, provided they plan on investing in bitcoin for long-term purposes. The only difference between the big investors and small investors is that their profit will differ by the time they decide to sell their bitcoin.
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Although, accumulation of Bitcoin is a decentralize investment but irrespective of that the importance of market analysis in Bitcoin investment cannot be undermined because it motivate investors to have more passion for investment and help to have good understanding of Bitcoin investment or even trading. Market analysis also enable investors to evaluate the performance of their investment to enable them make good decision that will enhance the efficiency of their investment to generate good return that will optimize the sustainability of their investment in the future. So, considering the significant role of market analysis in trading and investment I will say that market nalysis is very important to both traders and investors.
I think there is no need to analyze the price when buying bitcoin, you want to invest for the long term you can buy it at the current price. No need to worry about the price because your goal is to invest, so in investment planning of course you will accumulate many stages of purchase if you invest with the DCA strategy. Even with lump sum purchases there is no need to do price analysis because the main target is investing in bitcoin for the long term. Your suggestion is not very good, because it will trigger concerns for novice investors because they think they have to be good at analyzing prices to be able to buy bitcoin even though it is not necessary at all in routine accumulation with DCA. Don't equate it with traders because holders are winners, not traders. That's actually what needed to do and some other people still have this misconceptions that they should wait for the dip before they buy which is somehow crazy to think since market is volatile and could provably change not only their decisions but also they might get afraid for taking action especially when they are speculating much the price of Bitcoin. This why its really better to act then buy what price it occur since our target is to have lots of Bitcoin in future and we are not speculating prices to earn here. Also if they speculate to much maybe they would have this mindset on where they think its not right time because there are certain situation make them afraid to do this. So to avoid that practices better to do DCA and choose what can give them less stress for their investment.
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February 18, 2025, 10:19:12 PM |
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If you invest in bitcoin with the motive of selling it when the price get to a sating level it then mean you are a semi trader, and you are the gambling at the same time, you are not an investor, because a real investor we keep accumulating bitcoin and hold unto it for long period of time, 5 to 10 years or more depending on your target, because every investors must not have the same target and the same mindset when it comes to bitcoin investment.
If you buy bitcoin and decide to hold for 1 to 2 circle do you also consider such person as a semi trader? Because holding for that long period might be for different purpose but making profit is always part of that reason, for that 5 to 10 years period a holder can actually have a speculated price in mind where he picture bitcoin to be at that point in time even if it don’t get their or get above that expected price, holding for long does not restrict the investor from having a selling price target. Many of us are not referring to bitcoin investment targets as a way to sell most if not all of our BTC, since that probably would not be considered investment, even if it is a long period of time. If you invest into bitcoin for a long time, then you likely don't need to sell all of it, even though you would likely have more options by having had built up your bitcoin investment , including shaving off bitcoin from time to time in sustainable ways whether done based on price based parameters or time based parameters. In other words, there should be no reason to invest and save in bitcoin for 10 years or more and then all of a sudden become a no coiner, even if at some point we might transition from no longer accumulating bitcoin as much or we might transition into a maintenance stage or sure we can start to liquidate our BTC holdings, yet we still might not need to rush to liquidate unless we have age and/or health related concerns that might contribute towards our needing to cash out more quickly than otherwise justifiable. It's not every investor that will have the time to start analyzing the market because they're busy making money to keep their bitcoin investment ongoing. This is why if you care about buying more bitcoin at a cheaper rate, you should plan for it by building up a reserve funds , so that when there's a dip, you can buy. However, new beginners shouldn't bother about market analysis because it's useless for an investor. If you are an old investor and want to study market analysis, that's your choice. No one can know the bottom line of the dip, but with your active DCA ongoing, you will be privileged to buy at the bottom line of the dip.
If you are not a trader, why do you need to analyze the market? What does an investor do by analyzing the market where he has to buy regularly? Does an experienced investor need market analysis to be aggressive in investing? I would say, no. He does not need market analysis. Because, he may have a fund with which he can be aggressive in investing. A newbie or an oldie does not need market analysis if he does not feel the need. But I do not consider it as part of the crime. An investor should always be focused on buying. He should analyze how he can improve his source of income or how to make his holdings bigger and safer or how to keep the backup funds strong. Market analysis is the most necessary thing for a trader. Because their core skill is on market analysis. Although, accumulation of Bitcoin is a decentralize investment but irrespective of that the importance of market analysis in Bitcoin investment cannot be undermined because it motivate investors to have more passion for investment and help to have good understanding of Bitcoin investment or even trading. Market analysis also enable investors to evaluate the performance of their investment to enable them make good decision that will enhance the efficiency of their investment to generate good return that will optimize the sustainability of their investment in the future. So, considering the significant role of market analysis in trading and investment I will say that market nalysis is very important to both traders and investors.The essential answer is that investors don't need to engage in BTC price analysis, yet there could be some value to entertain your proclamation. There may be some need to figure out what traders might analyze versus what investors might analyze, and surely there sometimes can be some overlap in the kinds of things traders and investors might look at and even some of the practices might overlap in such a way to be confusing regarding whether is trading versus investing. Frequently traders are looking at technical analysis rather than fundamental analysis to try to figure out short term BTC price moves, yet some of the traders are playing longer periods for their trades rather than short periods so they may be trying to time their bitcoin exposure within a cycle to try to catch the top and the bottoms in terms of longer timelines (trying to play the cycle wave). Whether the trader trades with his whole stash or parts of his stash might also cause kinds of traders to seem to overlap with investors, in the event that the traders might ONLY be selling small percentages of their BTC stash, yet with intentions to buy back cheaper in the event that the BTC price goes down from the price point of their sale. Longer term investors should not be getting worked up about short-term BTC price moves, yet the still may want to analyze various bitcoin fundamentals, which they don't really need to analyze bitcoin fundamentals prior to their getting started investing into bitcoin, yet as they are investing into bitcoin they might choose to spend time analyzing their own budget so that they can figure out ways to ongoingly invest within the parameters of their own budget, their own psychology, and maybe with more confidence in regards to becoming more aggressive in their bitcoin investment once they have spent time analyzing bitcoin fundamentals. The intention of the bitcoin might not be narrowed into profits, even though profitability and the size of their bitcoin stash would likely end up giving them more options later down the road, such as 4-10 years or longer. An investor might also assess and reassess their bitcoin investment from time to time, to try to figure out the extent to which the strength of their investment thesis (reason for getting into bitcoin in the first place) is becoming stronger or weaker with the passage of time, and so a longer term investor could end up abandoning their investment into bitcoin based on their assessment that bitcoin's investment thesis had gotten weaker with the passage of time, and that they might start to feel that it is no longer warranted to buy bitcoin or to stay invested in bitcoin. Assessments of fundamental value and the strength of bitcoin as an investment would still be different kinds of assessments as compared to the kinds of price movement assessments that traders might be doing, yet an investor still might decide to try to exit his investment into bitcoin by using trading analysis in order to try to time their exit in a more profitable kind of a way, to the extent that might be possible to accomplish, unless the investor ends up panic exiting based on changed assessments of the strength of bitcoin's fundamentals. Even if investors do not need to assess BTC price movements to get into investing into bitcoin, there still can be overlap in the kind of assessments that might be made, yet if a person is investing for the long term, he may not need to engage in any analysis at all beyond being convinced that bitcoin is a good enough investment for him to buy regularly, and sure the more confident that bitcoin investor becomes about bitcoin, then the more aggressive that bitcoin investor can become in his bitcoin accumulation, stacking and even long term HODLing, yet he still may have a timeline that is way into the future, such as 10-20 years or longer, and even the shorter term investor that might be looking at 4-10 years, might merely be planning shorter investment timelines based on age and/or health considerations, yet none of these investors would need to do much analysis beyond considering that the bitcoin price should be higher in 4-10 years when they will need the money, while knowing that they are not guaranteed to be in profits when they need their money, yet the investors who get into bitcoin are willing to take their chances based on their overall assessment that bitcoin is an asymmetric bet to the upside with decently strong fundamentals that gives them confidence to put money into bitcoin.. Traders are way more focused on short-term price moves as compared with investors, even if they might have timelines that are longer such as a year or two or even if they might be wanting to play a bit longer, such as more than 4 years, they still might be considering bitcoin as a trade, even though they might get mixed up with investors and overlapping themselves with investors in terms of their having a longer than usual timeline in terms of their planned trading timeline. Anyone one who is doubting bitcoin is an unbeliever to bitcoin potentials and if the person intend to invest in bitcoin with double mimd the person we never get it right, for the fact that bitcoin is highly volatile in nature it is not advisable for someone to invest in it with double mind, because bitcoin investment required someone to be committed and focus for that is the only way you can accumulating bitcoin properly using any other strategies.
Every good venture like Bitcoin tends to have a lot of critics to it's cause, when there's nobody against or attacking an innovation, it sends a negative message about that invention. You cannot force everybody to like Bitcoin, funny enough most of those who used to fight Bitcoin now saw it's value and invested into it. For example JP Morgan once said in 2017 that Bitcoin is a fraud that would ultimately blow up and same JP Morgan owns about $731,246 in spot ETFs. Signaling he just turned believer. Nobody comes into a new innovation fully convinced, they always give it a try and increase their conviction along the way, it's fine to have some elements of doubt at the beginning of your investment into Bitcoin, but as you learn more about Bitcoin and advance in your accumulation journey having the long-term mindset. Your conviction and appreciation of Bitcoin would improve considerably. You just nailed it Sticky Bomb. Yea. Critics is right and accepted as it is another means of keeping the new inventor on his or her feet inorder to make things right and also ensure quality and good sustainability for a long run if such inventions are genuine. And about doubts, I think it's a natural phenomenon. I think it's more like been careful, been skeptical in full participation, yea! This is something you have not done before. So it is only natural you may not believe the process since you have never experienced it. Imagine someone getting into Bitcoin investment for the first time, He should fear and have doubts. Even though he has seen its workability, or heard of its goodwill. Even though such a person has made all the needed research about Bitcoin, knows about its volatile nature, learns about how to study the market, how to buy and hold for long time, etc, so long as it's investment or trading as the case may be, since it's a new person in the business, doubts must be there. When one experiences everything first hand, only then can one build confidence in the process. Bitcoin investment especially for a long term is a great deal. It's okay if one doubts, but the process if involved fully with future plans will clear the doubts completely. The more doubts that any newbie has about bitcoin should result in his adjusting his position size to reflect his doubts, so in that regard, if the newbie bitcoin investor has a lot of doubts then maybe he would invest on the lower end of the scale, such as 5% of his income rather than 25%, and surely there are some who might even choose to go below 5% based on their having a lot of doubts rather than being based upon their financial abilities. Many folks will choose not to invest into bitcoin based on their doubts, which many of us know is the wrong solution, so instead of investing aggressively, they should still choose to invest, but merely to invest more conservatively in alignment with their doubts, which we frequently had referred to a need for everyone to invest something into bitcoin and to get off of zero, which continues to be a pretty BIG problem with and overwhelming majority of the world's population (perhaps close to 99%?) being in the status of no coiners (aka pre-coiners) and low coiners. Yea! That's just the real deal. Investing to reflect your doubts. The truth is that Bitcoin's future benefits are very clear and glaring for us all to see. It has not even ended, it is growing and amassing much more value. Who knows where it will be in the nearest future? Been skeptical and entertaining doubts is okay, but remaining in the zero zone is the bane to future success of any interested investor still clothed with doubts and fears of its turn out subsequently, yea! A 10% of my income or even 5 will keep me out of the zero league(no corners). It is true that a drop of water makes a mighty ocean, yea! We must all start from somewhere. All BTC owners once started somewhere, and somehow that have amassed a certain futune for themselves and still counting. It's Bitcoin, therefore investment is a real deal no matter the percentage because the future is all bright with great colours of gain.
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If you invest in bitcoin with the motive of selling it when the price get to a sating level it then mean you are a semi trader, and you are the gambling at the same time, you are not an investor, because a real investor we keep accumulating bitcoin and hold unto it for long period of time, 5 to 10 years or more depending on your target, because every investors must not have the same target and the same mindset when it comes to bitcoin investment.
If you buy bitcoin and decide to hold for 1 to 2 circle do you also consider such person as a semi trader? Because holding for that long period might be for different purpose but making profit is always part of that reason, for that 5 to 10 years period a holder can actually have a speculated price in mind where he picture bitcoin to be at that point in time even if it don’t get their or get above that expected price, holding for long does not restrict the investor from having a selling price target. It is best to hold Bitcoin for as long as possible before selling it especially when you hold large amount. It is only the small holders that would be anticipating on selling part of their Bitcoin especially when the price of Bitcoin has increased to a certain point. Those who understand what it means by holding will not even bother about selling to make little profits and buying buying back when price goes down. Holding Bitcoin is always profitable in a long run and it's good when you hold for at least two circle so the price might have gone high above the level you bought. So what you are trying to say is that those investors who are holding a small amount of bitcoin in their portfolio shouldn't hold their bitcoin for a long term just because their bitcoin is not a large amount, and you see them as investors who will sell their bitcoin for short-term profit if bitcoin gets to a certain level. But I want you to understand that both the big and small investors can hold their bitcoin portfolio for as long as they want, provided they plan on investing in bitcoin for long-term purposes. The only difference between the big investors and small investors is that their profit will differ by the time they decide to sell their bitcoin. Yep, that's absolutely righ!!! It's not up to amount its about time period that how long someone can hold their Bitcoin. It doesn't matter if you have a small amount of Bitcion or a huge amount of assets. You can hold it for the long term. It is not an obligation for long-term holding that if you have a big amount of Bitcoin, then you can do long-term holding. Current small amount can give you sustainable value in the future, like 5 to 10 years later you can organize good profit margins even from the current small amount. We have a best example of this is that those who invested earlier are in Bitcoin. I mean that 10 to 15-year-old investors, they would have generated a huge return, whether these people had a small amount or big, both of them would have organized profit. The only difference will be that those who held a big amount will book more profit margins, whereas those who held a small amount will get small profit margins. But basically both made good profit margins with HODL strategy.
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If you invest in bitcoin with the motive of selling it when the price get to a sating level it then mean you are a semi trader, and you are the gambling at the same time, you are not an investor, because a real investor we keep accumulating bitcoin and hold unto it for long period of time, 5 to 10 years or more depending on your target, because every investors must not have the same target and the same mindset when it comes to bitcoin investment.
If you buy bitcoin and decide to hold for 1 to 2 circle do you also consider such person as a semi trader? Because holding for that long period might be for different purpose but making profit is always part of that reason, for that 5 to 10 years period a holder can actually have a speculated price in mind where he picture bitcoin to be at that point in time even if it don’t get their or get above that expected price, holding for long does not restrict the investor from having a selling price target. It is best to hold Bitcoin for as long as possible before selling it especially when you hold large amount. It is only the small holders that would be anticipating on selling part of their Bitcoin especially when the price of Bitcoin has increased to a certain point. Those who understand what it means by holding will not even bother about selling to make little profits and buying buying back when price goes down. Holding Bitcoin is always profitable in a long run and it's good when you hold for at least two circle so the price might have gone high above the level you bought. So what you are trying to say is that those investors who are holding a small amount of bitcoin in their portfolio shouldn't hold their bitcoin for a long term just because their bitcoin is not a large amount, and you see them as investors who will sell their bitcoin for short-term profit if bitcoin gets to a certain level. But I want you to understand that both the big and small investors can hold their bitcoin portfolio for as long as they want, provided they plan on investing in bitcoin for long-term purposes. The only difference between the big investors and small investors is that their profit will differ by the time they decide to sell their bitcoin. Yep, that's absolutely righ!!! It's not up to amount its about time period that how long someone can hold their Bitcoin. It doesn't matter if you have a small amount of Bitcion or a huge amount of assets. You can hold it for the long term. It is not an obligation for long-term holding that if you have a big amount of Bitcoin, then you can do long-term holding. Current small amount can give you sustainable value in the future, like 5 to 10 years later you can organize good profit margins even from the current small amount. We have a best example of this is that those who invested earlier are in Bitcoin. I mean that 10 to 15-year-old investors, they would have generated a huge return, whether these people had a small amount or big, both of them would have organized profit. The only difference will be that those who held a big amount will book more profit margins, whereas those who held a small amount will get small profit margins. But basically both made good profit margins with HODL strategy. Even if we go back 9 years, the guy who invested $10 per week would have invested $4,700 and accumulated 1.35342 BTC, yet the guy who would have had invested $100 per week would have invested $47k, and accumulated 13.5342. 10x more investment, ends up in 10x more BTC, and surely could end up making pretty big difference in terms of the outcome of whether a guy is getting close to his BTC accumulation targets and/or if the guy who invested more conservatively might have had come to realize that he had been too whimpy in his BTC accumulation practices. Some guys are able to invest more aggressively than they are doing, but they choose not to do so, and other guys do not have the abilities to invest more aggressively than they are doing, so the level of aggressiveness in regards to ongoing, persistent and consistent weekly BTC accumulation should be tailored to the level of discretionary income and perhaps other factors, like psychological factors of each of the persons. We also should recognize and appreciate that past BTC performance does not guarantee future BTC performance results, yet if we get 10 years into the future, at that point each of us will be in a position to merely look back at what we levels of BTC that we had ended up accumulating during our previous 10 years, and perhaps we might attempt to compare what we actually had done to some kind of a strict DCA strategy in order to compare our personal results... Yet, in the end, the main thing that ends up being relevant and important is to look at our actual performance and to see what we actually did rather than hypothetically comparing what we could have had done (even though we might be able to learn how to improve our own actions by looking at some of our mistakes of the past, and there surely should be ways in which we ended up making mistakes along our path of a 10-year long BTC accumulation journey, yet if we are still happy with our overall performance (and results) in regards to our having had mostly accumulated BTC through that period by ongoingly buying BTC and erroring on the side of HODLing our coins, then it is likely that we had done as well as we were able to do given our circumstances and our BTC accumulation performance should end up coming out respectable in terms of providing us with more options down the road by our having had chosen to invest into bitcoin as compared with if we had chosen not invested in bitcoin. Even after 10 years, we still might not have had reached our BTC accumulation goal, yet hopefully, by the time that 10 years passes many (if not most) of us will have had made progress in order to get a lot closer to reaching our BTC accumulation goals.
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Another important thing is that the investment is largely risk-free and you should invest the amount that you can afford to lose.
This statement from you is confusing. Bitcoin is not risk free. The advise about investing an amount that you "can afford to lose" is advice given to show that the investment (including an investment in bitcoin) could go to zero, so when you invest, you are choosing to invest into bitcoin from extra money that you have, and you are aware that you could lose up to 100% of your investment amount. I think I understand what you mean. I actually meant to say that Bitcoin is a safe investment where investors can be safe and risk free compared to other investments if they are inclined to save for the long term. What you are suggesting is to accumulate Bitcoin from excess/discretionary income and have a long term savings period which can be 4-10 years or more. If an investor does Bitcoin in this way he will be financially risk free that is what I meant. Investment is risk free from the point of view where one uses his money to the extent that he could have spent extra/discretionary income. We mostly know that the value of Bitcoin will never go to zero but as an investor we should be prepared to refrain from using all our assets in investments or not being overly emotional. Saving in proportion to income and accumulating Bitcoin for many years. Having a large amount of backup fund and not missing the bearish season Bitcoin lump sum event. You are actually right but the fact that Bitcoin is a very nice asset and has potential doesn't mean it is risk free, in fact no investment is risk free but rather the risk in Bitcoin is very minimal compare to other investment because since you are investing for long term and off course using what you can afford to let go. The small risk I'm talking about include; exposing of seed phrase and some other I can't be able to remember now. But the interesting part about Bitcoin is that even if you don't have enough money before you can start investing so long as you have set up your discretionary, reserve and emergency funds there's no need to stress yourself because with these your investment will run very smoothly unless there's a change in the above mention. "RISK FREE", but in what time frame? ZOOM OUT to the maximum, HODL! and have a LOWER time-preference, LONGER time-horizon. Many people after three cycles will call us "lucky" without thinking what mental insanity, STRESS, AND ANXIETY we HODLers have gone through. BUT, I will still tell them, "Yeah, I merely sort of got lucky".  One thing about life is that when people sees you doing well in what ever you endeavors to do, they actually don't knows the pain and sacrifices made in other for such feat to be achieved, they think it's by luck or by chance, they actually don't know that behind that success, their is a lot of sleepless night, stay up late, disciplining yourself by depriving yourself of so many things so as to achieve your set goals, and most Bitcoin investors don't actually knows that holding without tempering with it is even more difficult than buying, but regardless of anything else, we that are at the forefront knows the scars and bruises behind our success, because nothing good comes easy. Then talking about risk, honestly no investment is risk free, but the risk attached to Bitcoin can easily be shrinked if an investor can hold for a very long period of time, because since Bitcoin is an asset that appreciate in value overtime, their is a higher probability that your financial status can change forever only if you can accumulate a very huge stash of it now and hold for like three to five circles. YES! THE SACRIFICE THAT YOU MUST DO TO GAIN FINANCIAL FREEDOM, OR REACH A LEVEL THAT YOU COULD START ENJOYING NICE THINGS, OR HELP OTHER PEOPLE GET OUT FROM WHERE WE ONCE WERE! I believe it's also important to have a realization that this might not be an accident. There's a purpose on why you're in your current position.
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WhoYouCantKill
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February 19, 2025, 04:55:22 AM |
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Even if we go back 9 years, the guy who invested $10 per week would have invested $4,700 and accumulated 1.35342 BTC, yet the guy who would have had invested $100 per week would have invested $47k, and accumulated 13.5342. 10x more investment, ends up in 10x more BTC, and surely could end up making pretty big difference in terms of the outcome of whether a guy is getting close to his BTC accumulation targets and/or if the guy who invested more conservatively might have had come to realize that he had been too whimpy in his BTC accumulation practices. Some guys are able to invest more aggressively than they are doing, but they choose not to do so, and other guys do not have the abilities to invest more aggressively than they are doing, so the level of aggressiveness in regards to ongoing, persistent and consistent weekly BTC accumulation should be tailored to the level of discretionary income and perhaps other factors, like psychological factors of each of the persons. We also should recognize and appreciate that past BTC performance does not guarantee future BTC performance results, yet if we get 10 years into the future, at that point each of us will be in a position to merely look back at what we levels of BTC that we had ended up accumulating during our previous 10 years, and perhaps we might attempt to compare what we actually had done to some kind of a strict DCA strategy in order to compare our personal results... Indeed, Bitcoin investment can be quite a roller coaster ride, but as long as one is able to maintain consistency and discipline, then one would surely be successful. The example you gave above shows just how scaling up some investments can proportionally lead to pretty large returns when one stays consistent and disciplined. But another important thing that may also potentially contribute to the success of an investment is the investor’s ability to be able to tailor out an investment strategy that suits perfectly well with his individual financial goals and situations, as well as their risk tolerance level. Every investor must have a strategic approach to works well for him and not just following or copying the next investor’s strategy all the time, this is because, some investors may have the luxury of investing more aggressively while others may need to take a more less aggressive approach. There are also certain factors that may potentially influence an investor’s overall decision, such as FOMO, or risk aversion, and how an investor react towards these factors could also be quite different or vary from one person to another. I totally agree with you past performances may not always guarantee picture success or result. Bitcoin meet me this quite very volatile and can change at anytime and looking to make future decisions based on past actions of the asset all the time could also be misleading. Although this isn’t always the case as it could actually turn out to be quite helpful too sometimes, where an investor compares their personal results to a strict DCA strategy, this could potentially help the investor provide some valuable insights and make some necessary adjustments to make a much more effective and favourable decision concerning their investment in the future. Finally. It’s of utmost importance for every investor to find a balance between risks and rewards, and like I said previously, being consistent and disciplined with their investments is key as it can actually make all the difference in helping the investor achieve his long term investment goals.
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February 19, 2025, 05:04:03 AM |
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Through market analysis you will gain extensive knowledge which will make you a bigger investor in the future so you need to analyze the market before investing in Bitcoin. Even if you are a new investor you should plan your future based on past price analysis. Suppose you invest in Bitcoin, do you keep your capital on blind faith, which you should not. You will determine your strategy sophisticatedly through market study strengthen your earning base accumulation Bitcoin from disposable income. It is true that Bitcoin is still in its infancy and has already become a store of huge value. You need to consider why you should study the market. The answer to the question is that suppose you buy Bitcoin with the equivalent of $5000, before doing so, you need to analyze why the value of Bitcoin may increase or decrease in the future. Through each analysis, you will be able to imagine whether you should invest in one lump sum or divide it into several slots. Or you can accumulation Bitcoin continuously every week/month from discretionary income. Analysis of all the information about the Bitcoin market. Another thing that we might be presuming about the guy with $5k is that he already has an emergency fund that is already equivalent of at least 3 months of income (or at least expenses), and if he does not have an emergency fund that is at least 3 months of expenses, then he may need to consider putting some of his available $5k into that.. . yet there is no reason to necessarily prioritize the emergency fund over investing into bitcoin, so he could choose to grow his emergency fund and the size of his bitcoin investment at a similar pace until the emergency fund gets to the size of at least 3 months of income. Yes, if we assume that the guy has $5k and is interested in investing in Bitcoin he may have some extra cash as an emergency fund that is net investment fund, but he should not try to restrain himself from aggressively buying Bitcoin. I mean, if the guy has a net investment fund and also has some extra funds from which he can spend for the next three months or six months should his entire fund be available for single Bitcoin buy? The answer is that he should still divide it into a few slots since he is a newbie investor and he is committed to holding for the long term. Or if he is more confident about Bitcoin he can reduce the investment slot further. But I think he should continue to buy with market monitoring so that if for some reason the price drops, he can buy more. The idea that you have provided that if that investor has cash funds committed to investing he might indulge in luxury if he is likely to encounter that situation he would have to spend his entire net funds to buying Bitcoin regardless of the price. In my opinion Bitcoin is not a luxury, it is a long-term effort to build the future. At the same time the guy should continuously accumulate Bitcoin from his weekly discretionary income.
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Doing it long-term way is the wisest thing to do. You will cherish every moment of it once a person understands why he hodls and what will be by the end of such a journey.
Nobody knows or can know what would become of Bitcoin or his investment on the long-run, we're only optimistic that Bitcoin continues to perform well and appreciate in price and increase the value of our investment. Yes the person can continue to understand why he holds of which apart from securing his financial future, people might have other reasons for building up their Bitcoin portfolio and holding for long. However, one can decide to take some portions of their profits only if they invested for very long like about 4-10 years, it would be very foolish for one to sell every Bitcoin in their wallet just because they've invested for a longer period they can choose to sell some portions and channel into other business areas and generate more income to keep adding Bitcoin to their portfolio but taking profits should strictly be when they've invested for a very longer period and not below the full circle.
Everybody is at liberty to do whatever they wish at the end of their holding period. For example: A person who invested into Bitcoin throughout his working years and held for 30 years is already a long-term holder and he can decide not to deal with the volatility of Bitcoin at his old age and sell of his investment to take care of his much older years. Again people hold for various reasons, a person can be investing into Bitcoin for the purpose of starting a very profitable business venture at a much later time, and after like 10 - 20 years of investing and reaching his accumulation target, isn't it wise he achieved his dream? Perhaps he may wish to his sell off and achieve his dream and resume investing from the proceeds of his business. Some other guy might wish to keep holding and only shave off profits in bits to take care of himself at the expiration of his holding period. All these scenarios are valid, everyone is at liberty to do whatever they want with their Bitcoin at the end of their holding period, although I'm likely going to be the third guy, but It's entirely my decision.
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Barikui1
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February 19, 2025, 07:07:19 AM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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Doing it long-term way is the wisest thing to do. You will cherish every moment of it once a person understands why he hodls and what will be by the end of such a journey.
Nobody knows or can know what would become of Bitcoin or his investment on the long-run, we're only optimistic that Bitcoin continues to perform well and appreciate in price and increase the value of our investment. Yes the person can continue to understand why he holds of which apart from securing his financial future, people might have other reasons for building up their Bitcoin portfolio and holding for long. However, one can decide to take some portions of their profits only if they invested for very long like about 4-10 years, it would be very foolish for one to sell every Bitcoin in their wallet just because they've invested for a longer period they can choose to sell some portions and channel into other business areas and generate more income to keep adding Bitcoin to their portfolio but taking profits should strictly be when they've invested for a very longer period and not below the full circle.
Everybody is at liberty to do whatever they wish at the end of their holding period. For example: A person who invested into Bitcoin throughout his working years and held for 30 years is already a long-term holder and he can decide not to deal with the volatility of Bitcoin at his old age and sell of his investment to take care of his much older years. Again people hold for various reasons, a person can be investing into Bitcoin for the purpose of starting a very profitable business venture at a much later time, and after like 10 - 20 years of investing and reaching his accumulation target, isn't it wise he achieved his dream? Perhaps he may wish to his sell off and achieve his dream and resume investing from the proceeds of his business. Some other guy might wish to keep holding and only shave off profits in bits to take care of himself at the expiration of his holding period. All these scenarios are valid, everyone is at liberty to do whatever they want with their Bitcoin at the end of their holding period, although I'm likely going to be the third guy, but It's entirely my decision. Yea, you are actually right bro, we are all grown adult, and as such we are entitled to do what ever serves our best interest, the only problem I have with most newbies investors or those investors with trading mindset is that they tend to sell prematurely or they sell during their accumulation stage when it's no where near something that can change or impact their financial status forever, that's what I actually hate the most, regardless of anything, as long as you are a long term investor, it doesn't seat right when someone that should be thinking on how to accumulate more Bitcoin, be selling off for minimal gains even when he or she is still in his accumulation stage, that's very myopic and unreasonable. Then another thing I hate to see is either a newbie investors or a veteran selling off his or her holdings just to end up buying alt or meme coin just because of greed for 10x to 100x, to me it's the most stupid decision making an individual will ever do to him or herself, because at the end it wouldn't ends well as he or she expected, because alt and meme coin will always behaves as one, they falls more than they rise, which is a trait no reasonable individual will know and still invest heavily, unless that person just want to gamble.
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Scarlett_23
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February 19, 2025, 07:31:01 AM Last edit: February 19, 2025, 06:04:58 PM by Scarlett_23 |
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There is nothing wrong using the lump sum strategy if the money is there it won't trigger any financial stress if the income is available there are rich people who are using the lump sum strategy and also the DCA strategy poor people may also decide to lump sum if probably they won a lottery or unexpected huge amount of money came there way he or she may decide to lump sum without them selling there bitcoin holding since they will still be using the DCA strategy.
But it is better they use DCA than to buy at once even if the money is there. Bitcoin price always fluctuate and if we buy at once using a large money and the price is down a lot, we can be difficult to buy back Bitcoin. But if we can steady to use the same amount of money and allocate the money by our capability, that will help us to have the money and prepare for the next down time. No, I disagree on what you are trying to say here, what's the point splitting the money to buy bit by bit when the money is available? I am quite aware that the DCA accumulating strategy is the best way to accumulate Bitcoin, but it makes no sense if you have like $1k that you are not going to need in a very long time, but your dca budget is like $100 weekly, instead of you to use it all the $1k to buy at once, you will Start splitting it bit by bit just to make it look as if you are DCAing, who are you trying to impress by doing that? Do not forget that we are still in the early days of Bitcoin, so it's still very cheap compared to how much it might get up to in the future, so seizing any buying opportunity is the best accumulating strategy too me, once the funds is available, just buy, because now is the best time to buy, not later or tomorrow. Having gone through the importance of various strategies, at one point or the other one can outperform the other because of Bitcoin volatility and the choice of using any of the strategies should be based at first your risk level, there is nothing wrong if someone have a lump sump amount and chooses to buy with DCA strategy, it is the persons choice and that is what suits the persons risk tolerance, and there is nothing to impress anyone about that, every one is running the race at their own pacing and comfort and there is nothing to impress anyone about it. There is a lot of competition in investing money in jobs, businesses or anywhere else. Due to competition, small traders lose their capital in business, and in trading, small traders get lost in the crowd of big traders' experience and trading strategies. But in investing in Bitcoin, there is no competition, here there is an opportunity to invest according to the goals of the person and his financial condition. That is, it is not a matter of competing with someone to gain more profit. Because here everyone's financial condition, goals and time frame are different. If someone thinks that I will slowly build wealth in the long term, it is one thing. On the other hand, if someone gains more in the short term, it is a different matter. However, the strategy of long term is much more reasonable than short term. Because in the long term, a person is moving forward with long-term goals according to his financial capacity without being affected by market volatility. Where his success rate is pretty much guaranteed.
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Umulala-alala
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February 19, 2025, 08:46:31 AM |
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There is nothing wrong using the lump sum strategy if the money is there it won't trigger any financial stress if the income is available there are rich people who are using the lump sum strategy and also the DCA strategy poor people may also decide to lump sum if probably they won a lottery or unexpected huge amount of money came there way he or she may decide to lump sum without them selling there bitcoin holding since they will still be using the DCA strategy.
But it is better they use DCA than to buy at once even if the money is there. Bitcoin price always fluctuate and if we buy at once using a large money and the price is down a lot, we can be difficult to buy back Bitcoin. But if we can steady to use the same amount of money and allocate the money by our capability, that will help us to have the money and prepare for the next down time. No, I disagree on what you are trying to say here, what's the point splitting the money to buy bit by bit when the money is available? I am quite aware that the DCA accumulating strategy is the best way to accumulate Bitcoin, but it makes no sense if you have like $1k that you are not going to need in a very long time, but your dca budget is like $100 weekly, instead of you to use it all the $1k to buy at once, you will Start splitting it bit by bit just to make it look as if you are DCAing, who are you trying to impress by doing that? Do not forget that we are still in the early days of Bitcoin, so it's still very cheap compared to how much it might get up to in the future, so seizing any buying opportunity is the best accumulating strategy too me, once the funds is available, just buy, because now is the best time to buy, not later or tomorrow. Having gone through the importance of various strategies, at one point or the other one can outperform the other because of Bitcoin volatility and the choice of using any of the strategies should be based at first your risk level, there is nothing wrong if someone have a lump sump amount and chooses to buy with DCA strategy, it is the persons choice and that is what suits the persons risk tolerance, and there is nothing to impress anyone about that, every one is running the race at their own pacing and comfort and there is nothing to impress anyone about it. There is a lot of competition in investing money in jobs, businesses or anywhere else. Due to competition, small traders lose their capital in business, and in trading, small traders get lost in the crowd of big traders' experience and trading strategies. But in investing in Bitcoin, there is no competition, here there is an opportunity to invest according to the goals of the person and his financial condition. That is, it is not a matter of competing with someone to gain more profit. Because here everyone's financial condition, goals and time frame are different. If someone thinks that I will slowly build wealth in the long term, it is one thing. On the other hand, if someone gains more in the short term, it is a different matter. However, the strategy of short term is much more reasonable than long term. Because in the long term, a person is moving forward with long-term goals according to his financial capacity without being affected by market volatility. Where his success rate is pretty much guaranteed. Profit in bitcoin investment is not guaranteed as you think telling people that their success rate is much guarantee could make them invest with money they might be needing within a short while, while we to invest with the money we won't be needing for long is in the process it doesn't work the way we expected it won't be a thinking to us because we invested with our discretion income.
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G_Besar
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February 19, 2025, 09:26:09 AM |
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It is wrong to stress that those that have large amounts of bitcoin in there portfolio are the ones that are to hold for long time, to me it is important for both large holders and low coiner in fact low coiner are supposed to hold longer than those investors who have a large amount of bitcoin in their holding although all investors do have there investments plans as regards the amount of bitcoin they wish to accumulate and there investments timeline. So if an investor with a large holding should have an investment timeline of 10-15yrs ,a low coiner should be targeting more than that, may be 15-25 yrs. However all long-term investors do have there investments timeline.
An investor can also set an investment period forever without a certain limit for when he sells back into the market. Because what is called a long-term investment can be unlimited for a certain year so that investors can continue to buy and collect it as much as possible in order to increase their own holdings. Because usually investors who are able to do this kind of thing no longer feel any difficulty in anything so they do not have to determine the target of selling Bitcoin that they have bought for investment in the future. Although if we look at it in general, most investors always have a sales target after investing for a long time in something or in Bitcoin as we are talking about. But for investors who are not too tempted by the amount of their investment profits, of course that person would prefer to save it without making plans to release their investment back into the market.
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