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February 03, 2025, 11:55:32 AM
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The DCA strategy plays the most role in accumulating Bitcoin and it also plays a major role in sustaining the investment in the DCA method in the long term. Although the current Bitcoin price is being dumped in the case of buying investments through the DCA method, it will still save money, a holder investing in this method will definitely succeed in sustaining his investment in the long term.
At present the price of Bitcoin is not being discarded, but only being corrected which may only take place in a moment so that for those who are still happy in buying with the DCA method, of course it is very good if it is still run under such conditions. Because people who dare to buy bitcoin when the price is corrected will definitely be more fortunate than people who buy at high prices even though the action is also equally good for the same purpose, namely investment in bitcoin for a brighter future.
Actually this kind of temporary correction of Bitcoin is a common thing, the price of Bitcoin was at the highest level some time ago, and it is normal to expect a correction at the moment, but it will not last long, it will recover very soon.
Correction is a normal thing and buying at this time brings more profit potential. The more bitcoins an investor can buy during this correction, the more profitable he will be in the long run. Because it is proven that Bitcoin recovers strongly after every correction. So those who utilize this kind of opportunity, they can definitely benefit in the future.
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February 03, 2025, 12:38:30 PM
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The DCA strategy plays the most role in accumulating Bitcoin and it also plays a major role in sustaining the investment in the DCA method in the long term. Although the current Bitcoin price is being dumped in the case of buying investments through the DCA method, it will still save money, a holder investing in this method will definitely succeed in sustaining his investment in the long term.
At present the price of Bitcoin is not being discarded, but only being corrected which may only take place in a moment so that for those who are still happy in buying with the DCA method, of course it is very good if it is still run under such conditions. Because people who dare to buy bitcoin when the price is corrected will definitely be more fortunate than people who buy at high prices even though the action is also equally good for the same purpose, namely investment in bitcoin for a brighter future.
Actually this kind of temporary correction of Bitcoin is a common thing, the price of Bitcoin was at the highest level some time ago, and it is normal to expect a correction at the moment, but it will not last long, it will recover very soon.
Correction is a normal thing and buying at this time brings more profit potential. The more bitcoins an investor can buy during this correction, the more profitable he will be in the long run. Because it is proven that Bitcoin recovers strongly after every correction. So those who utilize this kind of opportunity, they can definitely benefit in the future.
This is one of the major thing that separate the rich and the poor, as Bitcoin has fell up to this point, the rich are only seeing opportunities, like buying more, while the poor are selling in panic, even when they all know that Bitcoin will still rally back.
In my own opinion, their is no point even getting worried because since am holding for a very long period of time, am quite confident that due to the huge potential of Bitcoin, it can go as high as a million dollar or more in like 10 years time from now or more, so their is no point getting worried by this dip, because it's no where near it peak price.

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February 03, 2025, 02:44:14 PM
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I agree when you say newbies should focus more on maintaining Bitcoin investment, there is need for investment to get matured before thinking about diversification, Bitcoin is less risky and requires more portions for holding so when the bull season comes it will give huge returns, Bitcoin hardly does X1000 like some of this projects does, this is the need why some investors choses to diversify.

Your kind words may be the one that gets it wrong or doubts Bitcoin and invests in shitcoins. Bitcoin investments hardly provide x1000 returns, but other coins do. Perhaps you missed the disadvantages of other coins that can easily give x1000. One cannot lose money by investing in Bitcoin, but one may lose their hard-earned money in a minute by investing in coins that can provide x1000 returns. But remember that we are only discussing Bitcoin in this thread; do not advise anyone to invest in a coin that will easily provide them with x1000 returns.

We are really not 100 % sure that our Bitcoin investment will bring profit because there's still a little bit of risk involved in Bitcoin investment whether long-term investment or short-term investment, so therefore I agree that bitcoin may not give someone the  huge returns that most people expect it to actually give them.
There's high risk involve in investing in Altcoin and should be avoided a lot of it are even scam created to manipulate people.

Even though Bitcoin investing carries some risk, I believe there is a guarantee that one is going to profit a lot if they keep their investment for a long period. Don't be discouraged by saying that investing in Bitcoin cannot promise 100% profits; if you have yet to invest in Bitcoin, take some lessons from individuals who were successful and made huge profits in Bitcoin; they did not do so in a single day; you must hold for a long time and continue to accumulate as much as you can, and I believe you will realize that investing in Bitcoin provides 100% profits.

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February 03, 2025, 03:22:03 PM
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Bitcoin is only risky when you have in mind just to invest to make quick profit, so far as you have the understanding that Bitcoin investment is a long-term investment you will definitely get profit in hodling.

This is the mistake newbies make with bitcoin. They've refused to have an understanding of bitcoin. They see bitcoin like every other altcoins or memecoins which are mostly not good as advertised.
With bitcoin, you have to be patient. You have to play the long game. It's a way to have a long time asset or investment.
In a short period, bitcoin might increase by just 2-10% and except you bought a huge amount of bitcoin, that's not a lot, but if you're patient enough for at least a circle,you might get exponential profit. With this you can easily take out your profit and leave the actual money you invested initially.
DCA is the best way for people who aren't that rich but a lot of people still don't rate it, they want quick profit.

People who think bitcoin is equivalent or the same as Altcoin are really very wrong. That's why many people trade and not invest in Bitcoin for this reason. Even though bitcoin is clearly a long-term asset and there is no need to doubt this. But what can you do, for some people this assumption will not enter their minds. Maybe they see Bitcoin as just a digital coin and has no real form. But people like that forget that their savings in the bank are just numbers and if the system errors, their money could be lost or reduced. For this reason, people who do not fully believe in Bitcoin may find it very difficult to understand that Bitcoin is a quality digital coin asset and is different from Altcoins. But as time goes by, people like that will definitely realize when they see other people succeeding by investing in bitcoin. And maybe when that time comes, people like that will definitely flock to invest in bitcoin in the long term.

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February 03, 2025, 03:32:30 PM
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The DCA strategy plays the most role in accumulating Bitcoin and it also plays a major role in sustaining the investment in the DCA method in the long term. Although the current Bitcoin price is being dumped in the case of buying investments through the DCA method, it will still save money, a holder investing in this method will definitely succeed in sustaining his investment in the long term.
At present the price of Bitcoin is not being discarded, but only being corrected which may only take place in a moment so that for those who are still happy in buying with the DCA method, of course it is very good if it is still run under such conditions. Because people who dare to buy bitcoin when the price is corrected will definitely be more fortunate than people who buy at high prices even though the action is also equally good for the same purpose, namely investment in bitcoin for a brighter future.

Economical instability is what we is affecting Bitcoin and not just Bitcoin, it's going to affect all other markets. Trump is signing different executive orders to put things in place and whenever there is policy change that means we either going to see price surge or price slash, which ever ways Trump meant well for the Americans and since they determined most of the markets, the decision is not leaving Bitcoin and that's why we see Bitcoin fell heavily but never to worry, it will come back for sure because this is not going to last that we are dip more, it's just the fear of the people but the overall interest is still upside.

What you need you to understand is this, people that will buy Bitcoin will buy regardless of what the public think about the market. Just know that there are some people that will never buy Bitcoin even if it's get so low and it's not because they don't have the means to buy it, they don't just want to but the moment they see Bitcoin comes back to 100k, that's when their adrenaline hormones shake up their body and wish they bought during the dip. Meanwhile they can still do DCA but will not.
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February 03, 2025, 03:57:59 PM
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The DCA strategy plays the most role in accumulating Bitcoin and it also plays a major role in sustaining the investment in the DCA method in the long term. Although the current Bitcoin price is being dumped in the case of buying investments through the DCA method, it will still save money, a holder investing in this method will definitely succeed in sustaining his investment in the long term.
At present the price of Bitcoin is not being discarded, but only being corrected which may only take place in a moment so that for those who are still happy in buying with the DCA method, of course it is very good if it is still run under such conditions. Because people who dare to buy bitcoin when the price is corrected will definitely be more fortunate than people who buy at high prices even though the action is also equally good for the same purpose, namely investment in bitcoin for a brighter future.

Economical instability is what we is affecting Bitcoin and not just Bitcoin, it's going to affect all other markets. Trump is signing different executive orders to put things in place and whenever there is policy change that means we either going to see price surge or price slash, which ever ways Trump meant well for the Americans and since they determined most of the markets, the decision is not leaving Bitcoin and that's why we see Bitcoin fell heavily but never to worry, it will come back for sure because this is not going to last that we are dip more, it's just the fear of the people but the overall interest is still upside.

What you need you to understand is this, people that will buy Bitcoin will buy regardless of what the public think about the market. Just know that there are some people that will never buy Bitcoin even if it's get so low and it's not because they don't have the means to buy it, they don't just want to but the moment they see Bitcoin comes back to 100k, that's when their adrenaline hormones shake up their body and wish they bought during the dip. Meanwhile they can still do DCA but will not.
The price of bitcoin is not far from normal but you described it with "fell heavily" like all hope is lost. This is only another opportunity for optimists to add to their wallets. Donald Trump's enactments are not solely for bitcoin success and trusting him too much is the mistake many investors are making. I will even suggest that anyone investing in bitcoin because of Donald Trump's presumed influence should just quit to avoid disappointment if it goes the other way. Bitcoin opens up for investors intermittently which is what is sometimes referred to as Dip. A person who will not buy bitcoin at 100k will not still buy at 90k because he will believe that bitcoin is going to crash further and may not rice again.

Speculations about bitcoin is the strength of bitcoin. Rumours and news is the reason for the fluctuations. An investor seizes every opportunity to accumulate more bitcoin. Dips come every time, it depends on your mindset and how you think the chart should go but the good thing is that bitcoin does not depend on anyone. Donald Trump's government if it was ready to support bitcoin, it could have started from his inauguration but instead he launched his own coin to compete with Bitcoin.

Buy every single bitcoin you can afford at all time. The future holds a bigger picture than anyone can imagine.

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February 03, 2025, 04:11:20 PM
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People who think bitcoin is equivalent or the same as Altcoin are really very wrong. That's why many people trade and not invest in Bitcoin for this reason. Even though bitcoin is clearly a long-term asset and there is no need to doubt this. But what can you do, for some people this assumption will not enter their minds. Maybe they see Bitcoin as just a digital coin and has no real form. But people like that forget that their savings in the bank are just numbers and if the system errors, their money could be lost or reduced. For this reason, people who do not fully believe in Bitcoin may find it very difficult to understand that Bitcoin is a quality digital coin asset and is different from Altcoins. But as time goes by, people like that will definitely realize when they see other people succeeding by investing in bitcoin. And maybe when that time comes, people like that will definitely flock to invest in bitcoin in the long term.
Of course, there is no doubt that bitcoin is a digital asset. Trade is behind making bitcoin an object of distrust among people. I myself used to distrust bitcoin at one time. "I once knew that if there are two places where only people are harmed, one of them is bitcoin." But later when I came to know about the long-term investment system of bitcoin, my misconception broke that day. Now I understand that traders have misunderstood us so far. I want to tell them not to have a bad attitude towards bitcoin after listening to their words. Bitcoin can really give you very good returns over time. If you can invest for a long time by doing DCA in the right way.

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February 03, 2025, 04:11:35 PM
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i bought the dip
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I guess a lot of folks in here are accumulating bitcoin with the DCA strategy, and I believe they just want to be accumulating bitcoin with the DCA strategy for the main time so that they will not be carried away by the dip into investing in bitcoin in a way that they will find it difficult to sustain their bitcoin for the long term. I believe before what you called the dip will be over, the DCA strategy will still allow a lot of folks to take advantage of the market and accumulate bitcoin. There's nothing wrong with you buying the dip since you were able to figure out it will not stop you from solving your daily expenses. Buying the dip is really good because you will accumulate a reasonable amount of bitcoin with less money.

Yeah you are right, buying during the dip is not a wrong thing to do what is wrong is waiting for the dip, now that Bitcoin is $100k waiting for it to come down below $100k will delay your investment so using the DCA strategy will be more better, right now I know some set of newbies are now waiting for Bitcoin to dip below $100k but you may be wasting your precious time because it may never happen and even if it happens the margin will be very small and still making a waste of time, using the DCA strategy will still give you the opportunity to accumulate when ever there's a dip.
As at the time of your typing Bitcoin was 94k+, it rise to 96k around 3 hours ago and barely verified 99k less than 30 minutes ago. So far, in 48 hours or more, I don't think Bitcoin has crossed 100k, so there was a considerable dip within the last 24 to 48 hours.

You're right when you are against newbies or people that's not accumulated considerable amount of Bitcoin to wait only for the dip to purchase Bitcoin, but anyone who've planned to buy the dip alongside consistent purchases really had a good chance from Sunday to buy yet another dip and increase his portfolio by a bigger quantity at a lower price.


The price of bitcoin is not far from normal but you described it with "fell heavily" like all hope is lost. This is only another opportunity for optimists to add to their wallets. Donald Trump's enactments are not solely for bitcoin success and trusting him too much is the mistake many investors are making. I will even suggest that anyone investing in bitcoin because of Donald Trump's presumed influence should just quit to avoid disappointment if it goes the other way.
Anyone buying Bitcoin simply because of Trump influence is a trader and not an investor because he's just buying the trend and not accumulating Bitcoin because of his/her belief on the true value of Bitcoin and the investment opportunity it presents. Such a person would only hold for short term gains and sell off when the price appreciates if Trump influence turns out positive.

Investors should drive their motivation from the solid foundation and value Bitcoin presents, joined with it's proven history of profitability. The trends should be off less focus from an investor. Every investor should work hard to make discretionary income available to purchase Bitcoin periodically. Your accumulation target and your holding duration should be your prime focus to reach, paying less attention to the noises coming from trends and influencers.

 
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It would be wrong to say that the dip is the ideal time to buy, but you can definitely use that time to maximize your gains.

Maximizing gains is a trading, rather than an investing concept.

Sure if we are able to buy on dips, then we would be able to buy more BTC with the same amount of fiat.... yet if we are holding back and waiting for dips, we might end up with fewer btc (satoshis) than what we would have had by just buying BTC persistently, consistently, regularly and perhaps aggressively.  

In other words, no problem taking advantage of dips if you happen to be in a position to take advantage of such dip, yet hopefully not too many BTC accumulators are causing too much whimpiness in their BTC accumulation strategy based on waiting for dips rather than buying BTC regularly.

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I solemnly agree with you that the term ATL usage in this is inappropriate, Bitcoin could dip and get lower than it's current ATH but using the term ATL is wrong because ATL usually happens in every  halving circles and before bullruns which the price goes low and dip before going high and attaining a new ATH.

Your agreement with me is wrongly summarizing up what I said including that I said that ATL (all time low) = $0... since bitcoin started out at zero.  Bitcoin did not start with a price, so don't be retarded by using the term ATL to describe what bitcoin's price is doing over a cycle or over some short term period since it is misleading, confusing, and unnecessary to use such description, unless you are wanting to say that bitcoin goes to zero every cycle.  Any normal person and with basic English skills should be reasonably able to describe a local low in bitcoin's pricer or you can describe a cyclical low and be more accurate in your description rather than using inaccurate and misleading terms like ATL (all time low) to describe cyclical or local low BTC prices.

The current time is to buy Bitcoin dips, because the price of Bitcoin was dumped from $105k to $90k. You should note that if you could buy a dip here, then you would definitely have enough to hold for a long time. Buy Bitcoin at the low point and save it for a long time, after holding it for a long time with maximum benefits, you will definitely reach the highest peak.
See more details and buy Bitcoin dip, : https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/02/01/bitcoin-buy-the-dip/
Every dip is an opportunity to have or accumulate more Bitcoin it is important we continuously buy bitcoin and HODL for long rather than buying during the dip hodl and buy again when there is another dip. The link you also sent contains more on the word Crypto which could be misleading for those who may not really know the difference between bitcoin and Crypto so they won't go and invest into shitcoins thinking or believing it is bitcoin.

Over the years, Motley Fool has not been very informed about bitcoin, and they have frequently said pretty stupid stuff about bitcoin, showing that they have not understood bitcoin, and based on their disclaimer at the bottom of
their article, they still seem to not understand bitcoin since I am pretty sure that they are not recommending it within their top 10 picks (which I cannot see their current picks since it seems to be behind a paywall).

In other words, it would likely be best to take whatever Motley Fool says about bitcoin with a decently-sized grain of salt - since they still don't seem to understand bitcoin even though they have been talking about it in their various articles (and even much of the time recommending against it) for more than 10 years... now they seem to potentially be warming up to bitcoin a wee bit more.. but still luke warm at best.

i bought the dip
who else?
it is indeed very good to buy the dips but in all, proper planning is needed in order to avoid taking risks that will destroy your DCA accumulation. Dips are nice but it is also good to place our priorities for I can remember very well diving into the dips with money I didn't initially planned to use for it but rather was for something else and I almost ended out totally pushed out of game but immediate action to maximize risks was what helped me and I was able to handle daily needs and bills.  So dips are good but don't misplace priorities and end up regretting.

Even if you might have learned some lessons, you are speaking with a lot of vagueness, and maybe you want to  be more specific in regards to describing how you might act in regards to buying dips versus DCA versus lump sum.

What are you doing?  Are you planning or acting or are you doing both?  And how far  does this experience go back? It can  take a long time to build up a BTC portfolio, and  you have ONLY been on the forum for less than 6 months.. have you been buying BTC the whole time or have  you been merely planning and regretting that you did not buy earlier?  I doubt any lessons are learned merely from regretting that you did not take action to buy BTC earlier.  We have many people in the world with those kinds of resentments, but still ongoing, persistent and consistent failures/refusals to act.

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The best way to go about  buying a dip is, as you are accumulating Bitcoin through the DCA accumulating strategy then in the process their is a serious dip in the market like the way it is now,  buy only if you have the financial leverage to do so, but if you don't have the leverage to do so, don't just bother yourself, because it's more better that your stash of Bitcoin is not tempered with than to add to it now and temper with it later.

Your use of the term leverage can be misinterpreted, since many times we don't need to employ any leverage, and first thing is that we should be putting solid systems in place that involve good cashflow management and then probably buying bitcoin regularly with our discretionary income, and our level of BTC accumulation aggressiveness may well depend both on how strong our cashflow management systems but also how much BTC we had already accumulated.  

Once our systems are more solid then we might play around with ways that we might use financial tools or higher levels of aggressiveness, such as leveraging.. yet those are more advanced systems rather than any parts of regular building of systems in which buying on dips may or may not be feasible for newbie bitcoiners.  I would imagine if someone might have front load his investment a lot, then he might hold back some value to be able to buy on dips if such dips were to come.

We are really not 100 % sure that our Bitcoin investment will bring profit because there's still a little bit of risk involved in Bitcoin investment whether long-term investment or short-term investment, so therefore I agree that bitcoin may not give someone the  huge returns that most people expect it to actually give them.
There's high risk involve in investing in Altcoin and should be avoided a lot of it are even scam created to manipulate people.
Even though Bitcoin investing carries some risk, I believe there is a guarantee that one is going to profit a lot if they keep their investment for a long period. Don't be discouraged by saying that investing in Bitcoin cannot promise 100% profits; if you have yet to invest in Bitcoin, take some lessons from individuals who were successful and made huge profits in Bitcoin; they did not do so in a single day; you must hold for a long time and continue to accumulate as much as you can, and I believe you will realize that investing in Bitcoin provides 100% profits.

Bitcoin is not guaranteed to be profitable.

If you do not use leverage then you are guaranteed that the most that you could lose is 100% of what you invested.  It is misleading to proclaim that bitcoin is guaranteed to make profits.

Many folks invest into bitcoin aggressively because they believe that the odds are pretty high that it is going to have a higher value (price) in the future as compared today and even accounting for the debasement  of the dollar.  There are also a lot of upside scenarios that make bitcoin amongst the best (if not the best) of asymmetric bets the upside, but even if bitcoin is amongst the best, it still is not guaranteed to be profitable in the future as you are proclaiming.

The price of bitcoin is not far from normal but you described it with "fell heavily" like all hope is lost. This is only another opportunity for optimists to add to their wallets. Donald Trump's enactments are not solely for bitcoin success and trusting him too much is the mistake many investors are making. I will even suggest that anyone investing in bitcoin because of Donald Trump's presumed influence should just quit to avoid disappointment if it goes the other way.
Anyone buying Bitcoin simply because of Trump influence is a trader and not an investor because he's just buying the trend and not accumulating Bitcoin because of his/her belief on the true value of Bitcoin and the investment opportunity it presents. Such a person would only hold for short term gains and sell off when the price appreciates if Trump influence turns out positive.

Investors should drive their motivation from the solid foundation and value Bitcoin presents, joined with it's proven history of profitability. The trends should be off less focus from an investor. Every investor should work hard to make discretionary income available to purchase Bitcoin periodically. Your accumulation target and your holding duration should be your prime focus to reach, paying less attention to the noises coming from trends and influencers.

Bitcoiners get themselves into trouble when they start to narrowly tailor their own perspectives regarding bitcoin price moves including the extent to which short-term price moves matter and/or if there are singular causal forces that are pushing BTC prices in one or another direction in the short term... and yeah in the short term all kinds of shit can happen and seem to be moving the BTC price in one direction or another, yet we still likely need to keep our eyes on the prize and continue to consider our own ongoing stacking of bitcoin.. or the extent that we might have buy orders coming up during the weekend or if we might execute our weekly buys on other days of the week.  

So, sure sometimes we can adjust our time that we buy BTC from time to time in order to take advantage of dips in the BTC price, yet hopefully we are also not getting too distracted or even staring to believe that one quasi-degenerate orange-headed dweeb politician has any substantial and/or meaningful affects on bitcoin fundamentals - even if he claims to be behind bitcoin or even if their might be pushes to pump bitcoin (or to dump it), we cannot necessarily get sucked into believing some of the short-term causals explanations. .. and hopefully keep our focus.. whether we are still accumulating BTC (which seems to be where a lot of guys are - or should be) or if we might have made it to a higher level of over accumulation of BTC, which truly some guys seem to have reached that higher level.. but some guys believe that they reached over accumulation of BTC status prior to their actually having had truly reached such status..so surely guys are responsible to figure out their own status in order to help them to figure out what they should be doing.. do they have enough BTC or not and if they don't they should be continuing to buy BTC regularly whether they are able to catch the dip or not.

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February 03, 2025, 06:30:13 PM
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However, the bitcoin cycle is always in two directions up or down. So with accumulation with DCA we always get the opportunity to buy at a low price. Yes on the other hand I don't know why investors can panic and sell their bitcoins in this decline when there is a greater chance for them to be able to hold for a long period.

But still, weak hands will regret their hasty actions. And the opportunity for us to buy on dips and move aggressively with reserve funds. On the other hand the US is preparing time to buy Bitcoin for their strategic reserve, I think they will buy it from weak hands, so we should not be consumed by fud issues. We must stick to our long-term planning.

Bitcoin cycle no doubt is in both directions but we don't know when we are buying at bottom or peak. Like today Bitcoin has gone down to 92k and right now it's touching 100k both these prices are seen in one single day. When someone was buying at 92k he was not aware that this is the bottom for today while we are not sure 100k is maximum for today. Such 'buy at dip' concepts are of no importance, if we are investing for long term.

Just forget about weak hands or the one who are investing for short duration. They are not our point of discussion. The real essence of bitcoin can be seen if you are investing for next 5 to 10 years. 

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The current time is to buy Bitcoin dips, because the price of Bitcoin was dumped from $105k to $90k. You should note that if you could buy a dip here, then you would definitely have enough to hold for a long time. Buy Bitcoin at the low point and save it for a long time, after holding it for a long time with maximum benefits, you will definitely reach the highest peak.
See more details and buy Bitcoin dip, : https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/02/01/bitcoin-buy-the-dip/

What you said here looks like you don't actually understand Bitcoin investment because you sound like if someone doesn't buy at the Dip they won't be able to hold for a long period of time which is not true any investor who is serious with Bitcoin investment will keep on accumulating and holding Bitcoin for as long as possible whether they buy at the Dip or not but the Dip always give an investor an opportunity or privilege to double or increase their portfolio if an investor have the capacity to...











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Bitcoin is not guaranteed to be profitable.

If you do not use leverage then you are guaranteed that the most that you could lose is 100% of what you invested.  It is misleading to proclaim that bitcoin is guaranteed to make profits.

Many folks invest into bitcoin aggressively because they believe that the odds are pretty high that it is going to have a higher value (price) in the future as compared today and even accounting for the debasement  of the dollar.  There are also a lot of upside scenarios that make bitcoin amongst the best (if not the best) of asymmetric bets the upside, but even if bitcoin is amongst the best, it still is not guaranteed to be profitable in the future as you are proclaiming.
Well you are correct but am probably sure that making 50% of profits in the next 10 years is kind of 40% guaranteed.
However, some folks invest aggressively in bitcoin as you said because they are 100% profit minded investors. But I still doubt that they can invest for long term mostly when they observes that they aren't making any profits at the moment they might sell at a lower price.
Actually, profits is not guaranteed on Bitcoin investment that's why one need to invest with what they can afford to lose (from their leverage).
I believe that an experienced Bitcoin investor knows the risks on bitcoin investment as Bitcoin might dip at any moment so they will not invest aggressively on it.
Some reasons why investor tend to invest in Bitcoin during the dip is probably because when it goes up they will make profits even though it's little, but those are short term investors and they always misses big opportunity.

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The current time is to buy Bitcoin dips, because the price of Bitcoin was dumped from $105k to $90k. You should note that if you could buy a dip here, then you would definitely have enough to hold for a long time. Buy Bitcoin at the low point and save it for a long time, after holding it for a long time with maximum benefits, you will definitely reach the highest peak.
See more details and buy Bitcoin dip, : https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/02/01/bitcoin-buy-the-dip/

What you said here looks like you don't actually understand Bitcoin investment because you sound like if someone doesn't buy at the Dip they won't be able to hold for a long period of time which is not true any investor who is serious with Bitcoin investment will keep on accumulating and holding Bitcoin for as long as possible whether they buy at the Dip or not but the Dip always give an investor an opportunity or privilege to double or increase their portfolio if an investor have the capacity to...
There is nothing wrong with that method, in fact you are exaggerating saying “not understanding investment” because the DCA method is part of the strategy he chose while there are still people relying on investment by waiting for the price dip like now it's not that they are unable to hold long term but they wait for this dip memontum and buy in large quantities.

So they invest in bitcoin by DCA, or buy dip, then lumpsum is their desire because the goal is to buy bitcoin when they think the price is suitable.

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It would be wrong to say that the dip is the ideal time to buy, but you can definitely use that time to maximize your gains.
sure, I've seen that Bitcoin is a great asset and that's why it is at my number 1 watchlists. I've seen that it keeps making progressive movement and gets going and better every year. I've come to see that there is nothing to say as ATL because even if it dips, it still skyrockets and get better corrective movement.
Thanks for the light you've thrown with this explanation.

Maximizing gains is a trading, rather than an investing concept.

Sure if we are able to buy on dips, then we would be able to buy more BTC with the same amount of fiat.... yet if we are holding back and waiting for dips, we might end up with fewer btc (satoshis) than what we would have had by just buying BTC persistently, consistently, regularly and perhaps aggressively.  

In other words, no problem taking advantage of dips if you happen to be in a position to take advantage of such dip, yet hopefully not too many BTC accumulators are causing too much whimpiness in their BTC accumulation strategy based on waiting for dips rather than buying BTC regularly.

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I solemnly agree with you that the term ATL usage in this is inappropriate, Bitcoin could dip and get lower than it's current ATH but using the term ATL is wrong because ATL usually happens in every  halving circles and before bullruns which the price goes low and dip before going high and attaining a new ATH.

Your agreement with me is wrongly summarizing up what I said including that I said that ATL (all time low) = $0... since bitcoin started out at zero.  Bitcoin did not start with a price, so don't be retarded by using the term ATL to describe what bitcoin's price is doing over a cycle or over some short term period since it is misleading, confusing, and unnecessary to use such description, unless you are wanting to say that bitcoin goes to zero every cycle.  Any normal person and with basic English skills should be reasonably able to describe a local low in bitcoin's pricer or you can describe a cyclical low and be more accurate in your description rather than using inaccurate and misleading terms like ATL (all time low) to describe cyclical or local low BTC prices.

The current time is to buy Bitcoin dips, because the price of Bitcoin was dumped from $105k to $90k. You should note that if you could buy a dip here, then you would definitely have enough to hold for a long time. Buy Bitcoin at the low point and save it for a long time, after holding it for a long time with maximum benefits, you will definitely reach the highest peak.
See more details and buy Bitcoin dip, : https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/02/01/bitcoin-buy-the-dip/
Every dip is an opportunity to have or accumulate more Bitcoin it is important we continuously buy bitcoin and HODL for long rather than buying during the dip hodl and buy again when there is another dip. The link you also sent contains more on the word Crypto which could be misleading for those who may not really know the difference between bitcoin and Crypto so they won't go and invest into shitcoins thinking or believing it is bitcoin.

Over the years, Motley Fool has not been very informed about bitcoin, and they have frequently said pretty stupid stuff about bitcoin, showing that they have not understood bitcoin, and based on their disclaimer at the bottom of
their article, they still seem to not understand bitcoin since I am pretty sure that they are not recommending it within their top 10 picks (which I cannot see their current picks since it seems to be behind a paywall).

In other words, it would likely be best to take whatever Motley Fool says about bitcoin with a decently-sized grain of salt - since they still don't seem to understand bitcoin even though they have been talking about it in their various articles (and even much of the time recommending against it) for more than 10 years... now they seem to potentially be warming up to bitcoin a wee bit more.. but still luke warm at best.

i bought the dip
who else?
it is indeed very good to buy the dips but in all, proper planning is needed in order to avoid taking risks that will destroy your DCA accumulation. Dips are nice but it is also good to place our priorities for I can remember very well diving into the dips with money I didn't initially planned to use for it but rather was for something else and I almost ended out totally pushed out of game but immediate action to maximize risks was what helped me and I was able to handle daily needs and bills.  So dips are good but don't misplace priorities and end up regretting.

Even if you might have learned some lessons, you are speaking with a lot of vagueness, and maybe you want to  be more specific in regards to describing how you might act in regards to buying dips versus DCA versus lump sum.

What are you doing?  Are you planning or acting or are you doing both?  And how far  does this experience go back? It can  take a long time to build up a BTC portfolio, and  you have ONLY been on the forum for less than 6 months.. have you been buying BTC the whole time or have  you been merely planning and regretting that you did not buy earlier?  I doubt any lessons are learned merely from regretting that you did not take action to buy BTC earlier.  We have many people in the world with those kinds of resentments, but still ongoing, persistent and consistent failures/refusals to act.

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The best way to go about  buying a dip is, as you are accumulating Bitcoin through the DCA accumulating strategy then in the process their is a serious dip in the market like the way it is now,  buy only if you have the financial leverage to do so, but if you don't have the leverage to do so, don't just bother yourself, because it's more better that your stash of Bitcoin is not tempered with than to add to it now and temper with it later.

Your use of the term leverage can be misinterpreted, since many times we don't need to employ any leverage, and first thing is that we should be putting solid systems in place that involve good cashflow management and then probably buying bitcoin regularly with our discretionary income, and our level of BTC accumulation aggressiveness may well depend both on how strong our cashflow management systems but also how much BTC we had already accumulated.  

Once our systems are more solid then we might play around with ways that we might use financial tools or higher levels of aggressiveness, such as leveraging.. yet those are more advanced systems rather than any parts of regular building of systems in which buying on dips may or may not be feasible for newbie bitcoiners.  I would imagine if someone might have front load his investment a lot, then he might hold back some value to be able to buy on dips if such dips were to come.

We are really not 100 % sure that our Bitcoin investment will bring profit because there's still a little bit of risk involved in Bitcoin investment whether long-term investment or short-term investment, so therefore I agree that bitcoin may not give someone the  huge returns that most people expect it to actually give them.
There's high risk involve in investing in Altcoin and should be avoided a lot of it are even scam created to manipulate people.
Even though Bitcoin investing carries some risk, I believe there is a guarantee that one is going to profit a lot if they keep their investment for a long period. Don't be discouraged by saying that investing in Bitcoin cannot promise 100% profits; if you have yet to invest in Bitcoin, take some lessons from individuals who were successful and made huge profits in Bitcoin; they did not do so in a single day; you must hold for a long time and continue to accumulate as much as you can, and I believe you will realize that investing in Bitcoin provides 100% profits.

Bitcoin is not guaranteed to be profitable.

If you do not use leverage then you are guaranteed that the most that you could lose is 100% of what you invested.  It is misleading to proclaim that bitcoin is guaranteed to make profits.

Many folks invest into bitcoin aggressively because they believe that the odds are pretty high that it is going to have a higher value (price) in the future as compared today and even accounting for the debasement  of the dollar.  There are also a lot of upside scenarios that make bitcoin amongst the best (if not the best) of asymmetric bets the upside, but even if bitcoin is amongst the best, it still is not guaranteed to be profitable in the future as you are proclaiming.

The price of bitcoin is not far from normal but you described it with "fell heavily" like all hope is lost. This is only another opportunity for optimists to add to their wallets. Donald Trump's enactments are not solely for bitcoin success and trusting him too much is the mistake many investors are making. I will even suggest that anyone investing in bitcoin because of Donald Trump's presumed influence should just quit to avoid disappointment if it goes the other way.
Anyone buying Bitcoin simply because of Trump influence is a trader and not an investor because he's just buying the trend and not accumulating Bitcoin because of his/her belief on the true value of Bitcoin and the investment opportunity it presents. Such a person would only hold for short term gains and sell off when the price appreciates if Trump influence turns out positive.

Investors should drive their motivation from the solid foundation and value Bitcoin presents, joined with it's proven history of profitability. The trends should be off less focus from an investor. Every investor should work hard to make discretionary income available to purchase Bitcoin periodically. Your accumulation target and your holding duration should be your prime focus to reach, paying less attention to the noises coming from trends and influencers.

Bitcoiners get themselves into trouble when they start to narrowly tailor their own perspectives regarding bitcoin price moves including the extent to which short-term price moves matter and/or if there are singular causal forces that are pushing BTC prices in one or another direction in the short term... and yeah in the short term all kinds of shit can happen and seem to be moving the BTC price in one direction or another, yet we still likely need to keep our eyes on the prize and continue to consider our own ongoing stacking of bitcoin.. or the extent that we might have buy orders coming up during the weekend or if we might execute our weekly buys on other days of the week.  

So, sure sometimes we can adjust our time that we buy BTC from time to time in order to take advantage of dips in the BTC price, yet hopefully we are also not getting too distracted or even staring to believe that one quasi-degenerate orange-headed dweeb politician has any substantial and/or meaningful affects on bitcoin fundamentals - even if he claims to be behind bitcoin or even if their might be pushes to pump bitcoin (or to dump it), we cannot necessarily get sucked into believing some of the short-term causals explanations. .. and hopefully keep our focus.. whether we are still accumulating BTC (which seems to be where a lot of guys are - or should be) or if we might have made it to a higher level of over accumulation of BTC, which truly some guys seem to have reached that higher level.. but some guys believe that they reached over accumulation of BTC status prior to their actually having had truly reached such status..so surely guys are responsible to figure out their own status in order to help them to figure out what they should be doing.. do they have enough BTC or not and if they don't they should be continuing to buy BTC regularly whether they are able to catch the dip or not.
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Bitcoin is not guaranteed to be profitable.
If you do not use leverage then you are guaranteed that the most that you could lose is 100% of what you invested.  It is misleading to proclaim that bitcoin is guaranteed to make profits.

Many folks invest into bitcoin aggressively because they believe that the odds are pretty high that it is going to have a higher value (price) in the future as compared today and even accounting for the debasement  of the dollar.  There are also a lot of upside scenarios that make bitcoin amongst the best (if not the best) of asymmetric bets the upside, but even if bitcoin is amongst the best, it still is not guaranteed to be profitable in the future as you are proclaiming.
Well you are correct but am probably sure that making 50% of profits in the next 10 years is kind of 40% guaranteed.

Surely you are free to consider various scenarios that you deem relevant to yourself and assign probability to those various scenarios, including that you might even choose your level of aggressiveness towards bitcoin buying and your bitcoin allocation in accordance with your probability assignments, which likely your probability assignments are ongoingly changing since facts in the world change, and some facts in the worlds might affect your probabilities greater than other facts in the world, and some facts in the world could strengthen, weaken or even break the strength of your bitcoin investment thesis.

However, some folks invest aggressively in bitcoin as you said because they are 100% profit minded investors.

Investing aggressive does not mean that you have assigned probabilities of 100% guarantee to bitcoin, even though  surely anyone considering anything 100% guaranteed and investing in that kind of way sounds to me like an out of touch gambler rather than an investor.

But I still doubt that they can invest for long term mostly when they observes that they aren't making any profits at the moment they might sell at a lower price.

Even traders don't necessarily sell at a loss, except under extreme circumstances. Frequently the underperformance of traders come from skimming  off profits too frequently or locking in  profits, and then missing out on a lot of  upside and compounding based on  their not being in the trade at times that they should have had been, which happens a lot in bitcoin... so for example a person who trades might claim that he has 10x profits in bitcoin over the past 10 years of trading bitcoin, but then the accumulator holder of bitcoin might show you that he has close to 100x in profits just from accumulating (perhaps front loading) and holding his BTC through the past 10 years.

Actually, profits is not guaranteed on Bitcoin investment that's why one need to invest with what they can afford to lose (from their leverage).
I believe that an experienced Bitcoin investor knows the risks on bitcoin investment as Bitcoin might dip at any moment so they will not invest aggressively on it.

There is nothing wrong with investing aggressive, as long as you do not invest over aggressive.  Maybe an aggressive investor might invest 25% of his income (or 70% of his discretionary income into bitcoin), yet an over aggressive investor might invest even more and/or go beyond his discretionary income and might use leverage and other kinds of instruments including using his emergency funds (or back up funds) to buy bitcoin when he had not calculated properly.  Aggressive does not necessarily mean going over limits, which is part of the  reason that I frequently suggest that investors into bitcoin should invest as aggressive as they can without over doing it.

Some reasons why investor tend to invest in Bitcoin during the dip is probably because when it goes up they will make profits even though it's little, but those are short term investors and they always misses big opportunity.

I would suggest that anyone buying and then selling in the short to medium term to be traders.  I would suggest regular investors would likely  have a 10 year or more investment timeline, and short term investors might have a timeline of 4-10 years based on age or health considerations. We might not agree on terms and we might even end up in battles over disagreement about terms.

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So they invest in bitcoin by DCA, or buy dip, then lumpsum is their desire because the goal is to buy bitcoin when they think the price is suitable.

If a person is investing into bitcoin and if they have a 4-10 year or longer investment timeline, they might not be too concerned about the BTC price.  I will concede that there are likely folks who get overly worked up about  the BTC price, and it might work  to their disadvantage to get worked up about BTC price if they are either a no coiner or they might consider themselves as not adequately prepared for UP prices.  The only way to prepare for up if you are not adequately prepared is to buy, and waiting does not prepare you for up, it ONLY prepares you for down.. which seems to ONLY be a good strategy for someone who has assessed that he already has enough bitcoin and/or preparation for up.


I don' t know why you cited my whole post, and I cannot see if you responded somewhere within your post or not.

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The current time is to buy Bitcoin dips, because the price of Bitcoin was dumped from $105k to $90k. You should note that if you could buy a dip here, then you would definitely have enough to hold for a long time. Buy Bitcoin at the low point and save it for a long time, after holding it for a long time with maximum benefits, you will definitely reach the highest peak.
See more details and buy Bitcoin dip, : https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/02/01/bitcoin-buy-the-dip/

What you said here looks like you don't actually understand Bitcoin investment because you sound like if someone doesn't buy at the Dip they won't be able to hold for a long period of time which is not true any investor who is serious with Bitcoin investment will keep on accumulating and holding Bitcoin for as long as possible whether they buy at the Dip or not but the Dip always give an investor an opportunity or privilege to double or increase their portfolio if an investor have the capacity to...
There is nothing wrong with that method, in fact you are exaggerating saying “not understanding investment” because the DCA method is part of the strategy he chose while there are still people relying on investment by waiting for the price dip like now it's not that they are unable to hold long term but they wait for this dip memontum and buy in large quantities.

So they invest in bitcoin by DCA, or buy dip, then lumpsum is their desire because the goal is to buy bitcoin when they think the price is suitable.


You are getting my message wrong or will I say twisted, Popkon6 said that if an investor buy's Bitcoin when the price was low today that the investor will hold enough Bitcoin in long term which is not totally true because there are investors who will even buy when the price of Bitcoin was down and still sell in a short period of time, so it depends on investors mindset and target. And just like I said whether an investor buy during the Dip or not they will or can still hold enough Bitcoin in their portfolio so long as they are consistent with their DCA method and has a long term plan.

The price will only be suitable if it get to the point you wanted it to..., and remember Bitcoin is a volatile asset so it is rare to see Bitcoin In a suitable place and instead  of waiting for Bitcoin to be  in a suitable place why not just keep accumulating your Bitcoin and hold because waiting for the Dip is not a nice strategy for me but while we are investing we are also preparing for Dip in case it happens instead of staying and not investing and waiting for Dip. I will see any new investor as an unserious if they are waiting for the..., when they don't even have a good figure of Bitcoin in their possession.











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So they invest in bitcoin by DCA, or buy dip, then lumpsum is their desire because the goal is to buy bitcoin when they think the price is suitable.

If a person is investing into bitcoin and if they have a 4-10 year or longer investment timeline, they might not be too concerned about the BTC price.  I will concede that there are likely folks who get overly worked up about  the BTC price, and it might work  to their disadvantage to get worked up about BTC price if they are either a no coiner or they might consider themselves as not adequately prepared for UP prices.  The only way to prepare for up if you are not adequately prepared is to buy, and waiting does not prepare you for up, it ONLY prepares you for down.. which seems to ONLY be a good strategy for someone who has assessed that he already has enough bitcoin and/or preparation for up.

Yes you are right when you are accumulating and holding for a very long term you won't bother yourself about Bitcoin price, I never knew today that Bitcoin had a little dip I was told by my friends who where into short term investment you can also decide to call them traders about the dip in Bitcoin some of them started to panic, however me that is accumulating and holding for long term really didn't care about the price and I was never in any panic because of my long term holding goal, the people that are mostly concern about Bitcoin price are Bitcoin traders and not long term investors.











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So they invest in bitcoin by DCA, or buy dip, then lumpsum is their desire because the goal is to buy bitcoin when they think the price is suitable.

If a person is investing into bitcoin and if they have a 4-10 year or longer investment timeline, they might not be too concerned about the BTC price.  I will concede that there are likely folks who get overly worked up about  the BTC price, and it might work  to their disadvantage to get worked up about BTC price if they are either a no coiner or they might consider themselves as not adequately prepared for UP prices.  The only way to prepare for up if you are not adequately prepared is to buy, and waiting does not prepare you for up, it ONLY prepares you for down.. which seems to ONLY be a good strategy for someone who has assessed that he already has enough bitcoin and/or preparation for up.

Yes you are right when you are accumulating and holding for a very long term you won't bother yourself about Bitcoin price, I never knew today that Bitcoin had a little dip I was told by my friends who where into short term investment you can also decide to call them traders about the dip in Bitcoin some of them started to panic, however me that is accumulating and holding for long term really didn't care about the price and I was never in any panic because of my long term holding goal, the people that are mostly concern about Bitcoin price are Bitcoin traders and not long term investors.

If we set our goals for long term our priority should be is to accumulate and not to get bother for the price of Bitcoin. Since if we look at situation happen yesterday and past couple of days we provably could see that the market is dumping and those people who got scared about that decline is losing especially when they decide to sell their Bitcoin out of panic.

Look at the situation the market recovers and for sure lots of people who continue to accumulate despite of those drops happen are happy with current development with Bitcoin today. That's why its really not good to get scared about the dump since they would just lose their money if they drop immediate crazy decision.. Much better to take advantage and continue to buy more Bitcoin since this would bring more profit especially if we hit our target and gather lots of volume in span of 4 - 10 years of investment.

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The current time is to buy Bitcoin dips, because the price of Bitcoin was dumped from $105k to $90k. You should note that if you could buy a dip here, then you would definitely have enough to hold for a long time. Buy Bitcoin at the low point and save it for a long time, after holding it for a long time with maximum benefits, you will definitely reach the highest peak.
See more details and buy Bitcoin dip, : https://www.fool.com/investing/2025/02/01/bitcoin-buy-the-dip/

Buddy considering what you wrote I think your message is for people to buy aggressively during the dip but my question is must people consider the dip as the best time to buy aggressively when DCA method is already there, so will an investor wait till the dip before he can buy aggressively, buddy in as much as the dip present a good opportunty for people to buy at a lower price it doesn't mean that an investor must wait to buy in large quantity during this time unless an investor is opportuned to have a lump sum amount available at the said time then such investor can buy in large sum then but aside that buying at all time irrespective of the market situation remains the best option.

Mate if I'm a newbie i will see your message as if you're telling me that the only time I can invest in Bitcoin with a large amount of money is during the dip but don't you think that's a wrong ideology for an investor whose concentration is for a long-term, I will tell you for free that buying at all time will still make you to have enough Bitcoin in your portfolio to hisdl for a long-term as you said what matters is your consistency and ability to maintain your investment by increasing your income to enable you buy more at every given time and hodl for a long-term. Note reaching the highest peak as you said is not by buying with large amount during this kind of temporal dump rather is by being consistent in the said investment, some people buy and sell off once the notice a bit upsurge so how would you explain that? Don't you think  individual investor acumulating Bitcoin and allowing it to reach his level of satisfaction or highest peak depends on his approach towarda the investment itself.


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Look at the situation the market recovers and for sure lots of people who continue to accumulate despite of those drops happen are happy with current development with Bitcoin today. That's why its really not good to get scared about the dump since they would just lose their money if they drop immediate crazy decision.. Much better to take advantage and continue to buy more Bitcoin since this would bring more profit especially if we hit our target and gather lots of volume in span of 4 - 10 years of investment.
Bitcoin has always been resilient and people never learn with the dips. If there is a sudden dip, they should look at it as something to be referred to because no matter what happens, Bitcoin recovers. Those that have bought at the dip and then just waited in less than 24 hours, you're all now in profit regardless of how much you've DCAed. Some will say that it's not the best time to buy because this is the peak but you'll never know. Never listen to the words of others of discouragement but listen to yourself and what you know in the market. This is a long road that we're taking and whoever is tired of this runs will have to let go and won't see better profits in the future. Plan your DCA but never plan your exit. This is a wealth transfer that's happening.

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