Vod is an extortionist. Get him out of DT!

[Vod]

I never offered you any seats.

I have never been audited.

I never took your offer for seats in exchange for of advertising.

Anyone can call the IRS if they know your real name.

Since you were fired as treasurer, you no longer care about honesty.  

And why are you calling old customers thieves now? 

[Steamtyme]

When was OG fired as a treasurer? I am assuming you are speaking about the forum.

Taking steps to secure funds in a multisig capacity and adding additional users to the list of treasurers entrusted with this role, doesn't fit any definition of fired I have ever heard.

[Vod]

Taking steps to secure funds in a multisig capacity and adding additional users to the list of treasurers entrusted with this role, doesn't fit any definition of fired I have ever heard.

OK then - he kept his position and just got a substantial pay cut.

Thanks for joining in on the conversation.  What do you think of OG casually calling people thieves? 

[Steamtyme]

OK then - he kept his position and just got a substantial pay cut.
Thanks for joining in on the conversation.  What do you think of OG casually calling people thieves? 

I would say it was more like a disproportionate pay raise that took place over years of growth for BTC. The current system is likely far more inline with what the original amounts were when OG was given that role in the first place. Either way, not going to go back and look through it as it has little baring on your deliberately misleading statement, as there was no termination of service involved.

In regards to the Ibminer insinuation, that's for them to sort out. There is no feedback I can see regarding any lost miners or reference to one so it would lead me to believe that a simple, "okay I fucked up and was thinking of someone else". Then here's the kicker something that seems so difficult for some people here to say, "sorry". I know earth shattering shit, don't know how I come up with it.

Honestly any thread you are both posting in seems to be more inline with our cliickbait society, and half truths/opinions presented as facts. It's more or less disgusting on a forum built around information and cooperation. I very rarely feel like engaging with you anymore, which is sad as I used to enjoy it or reading what you had to say. It just seems something needs to be said when you are going to lob softballs in a thread dedicated to calling you a liar.

My advice to both of you, take it or leave it - the latter more likely. Draft up a single topic with facts. No more no less, then present it on the reputation board. You have a lot of claims out there, some of which could be easily proven, some of which you don't have the authority to even attempt to gain access to, so they can't be backed up. They are simply talking points. Post un-edited, complete PM's or emails, or quotes to back up any claims you can prove.  Don't edit the OP, reserve the second post for linking to any future posts made in that thread to handle any other factual information presented. Lay out your entire case and let people make a truly informed decision on both of you.

[eddie13]

The way I see it, either Vod snitched to the IRS on our forums treasurer, who was holding a very large amount of the forums value, Or, Vod lied about snitching to the IRS on our forums treasurer..

That forum treasurer who is still our forum treasurer.. That OGNasty guy..

IDGAF if he was selling crack cocaine, shut your whore mouth and don't call the IRS on this forum's bankroll.... Are you fucking stupid or something?

Whose side are you on? Bitcoins side? Or some stupid governments side?

Fuck the (any) government.. Fuck taxes.. And Fuck snitches..
This is fucking Bitcoin!!!!!

[Vod]

Whose side are you on? Bitcoins side? Or some stupid governments side?

Doesn't have to be one or the other.  Bitcoin can become regulated and still thrive.  Reporting scammers helps bitcoin gain legitimacy by forcing them to act lawfully.

Either way, not going to go back and look through it as it has little baring on your deliberately misleading statement, as there was no termination of service involved.

Believe it or not, OG was paid 6btc a year to provide that service that was terminated.

Then here's the kicker something that seems so difficult for some people here to say, "sorry". I know earth shattering shit, don't know how I come up with it.

I was sorry when I posted OG's known address on this forum, but no one cares.

[Steamtyme]

Believe it or not, OG was paid 6btc a year to provide that service that was terminated.
~snip~
I was sorry when I posted OG's known address on this forum, but no one cares.

Yeah I knew the agreement was .5 BTC/month not sure the payment frequency. It made sense at current pricing to reduce that. The only surprise I had was how long it remained in effect without reconsideration. That's changed, the cost is still about 66% of what it was at 4BTC/year just with responsibilities spread out across more members.

Known to some isn't known to all so I'm glad to hear that you felt remorse, I may have even read it at the time, can't recall. The problem is with how things have continued to carry on it's long been buried until you have stated it once again. I can't remember if I read the un-edited post correctly or not, but any claims about someone's character or behavior or perceived part in an organisation you disagree with would fit nicely into the type of thread I mentioned above.

The way I see it, either Vod snitched to the IRS on our forums treasurer, who was holding a very large amount of the forums value, Or, Vod lied about snitching to the IRS on our forums treasurer..
That forum treasurer who is still our forum treasurer.. That OGNasty guy..

Who are we to tell someone how to act? I disagree with what was stated and the actions taken based on speculation but apart from that people are free to do as they please... in some places. Hell I have to go crawling to a government agency this week seeking their assistance, due to my own stupidity. The claims of reporting on Og weren't in response to any forum funds, and I may be messing up my timelines here but I don't believe it put the forum funds at risk.

[eddie13]

The claims of reporting on Og weren't in response to any forum funds, and I may be messing up my timelines here but I don't believe it put the forum funds at risk.

If the IRS actually opened a criminal case against him it would not be unusual for them to freeze or confiscate until further notice any and all of his accounts and assets he is/was in control of, including the forums BTC, pending investigation..

It would also bring a lot of heat onto the forum.. The IRS being after the forums treasurer for tax fraud? Get ready for that colonoscopy theymos..
Maybe they could find something to get Theymos for too while they are at it, that would really suck right? Are you sure that theymos and the whole forum is financially 100% squeaky clean? Or is that a risk your just wiling to toss into the hands of the IRS?

And yes, it happened before the new multisig escrow deal, while OG was still holding that entire very large balance..

Also as I posted before, this kind of thing is what makes no-knock raids happen, where they come kick down your door and immediately shoot your dogs, and often shoot you, especially if you were legitimately planning on defending yourself because say, someone posted your address and information about the value therein giving criminals the perfect target..
Getting a no-knock while expecting robbers is the perfect way to get killed by cops..
People have gone free, miraculously surviving the situation at all, after having shot and killed police in a no-knock, because they don't announce themselves, so it has been deemed a clean shoot by the court.. They just come in with guns like its Iraq..

What would have happened to the forum funds OG was holding if he got killed in a no-knock or killed by some burglar coming after that loot? Possibly gone forever..

How about some Civil Forfeiture facts while we are at it..
"Civil forfeiture in the United States, also called civil asset forfeiture or civil judicial forfeiture[1] or occasionally civil seizure, is a criminal justice financial obligation. It is a legal process in which law enforcement officers take assets from persons suspected of involvement with crime or illegal activity without necessarily charging the owners with wrongdoing. While civil procedure, as opposed to criminal procedure, generally involves a dispute between two private citizens, civil forfeiture involves a dispute between law enforcement and property such as a pile of cash or a house or a boat, such that the thing is suspected of being involved in a crime."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States

Their is another possibility how it could have been a huge risk to the forum's funds.. It's take first and ask questions later..
Imagine BTCT suing the government for years trying to get their funds back after it was taken in a Civil Forfeiture..

Governments, including the US government, are very dangerous in many ways..

I was sorry when I posted OG's known address on this forum, but no one cares.

Not only did he put OGNasty, and the forums funds, at risk to the IRS, he also put them at risk to any thug looking for a high value target to steal..
People get shot dead, tortured, kidnapped etc. over that kind of money all the time and Vod laid the exact location of a very big score out for them on a silver platter..

Refresh my memory, didn't he even hint at something like "I hope nobody breaks in".. ??
It would be cool if someone could post a screen shot or archive of that dox post so I know I have my facts straight - feel free to redact the dox part obviously..

Whose side are you on? Bitcoins side? Or some stupid governments side?

Doesn't have to be one or the other.

Satoshi created Bitcoin for the purpose of giving governments the middle finger..

Reporting scammers helps bitcoin gain legitimacy

Reporting the treasurer of Satoshi's Bitcoin forum to the IRS helps Bitcoin gain legitimacy?
Headline: "Original Bitcoin Forum Management Implicated In Tax Fraud"
That'll be some good press..


It boggles my mind as to why so many fine users here care about these petty side squabbles while they are IMO completely overshadowed by this whole IRS situation..
Maybe I am the only one who thinks the IRS situation is a big deal but I think it is a very big deal..

I am still trying to find out for sure weather he actually did make a report to the IRS, or if he just said that he did and actually didn't...
Can anyone clear that up for me as well? I think only Vod knows..

[Vod]

You're going to try and put the blame on me for his non paying sales tax?

He made a choice to sell illegally, and he is still doing it, while covering his tracks.

You can no longer find a list of donators who played his ponzi - now it points to the list of donators here at bitcointalk.  Ninja edits.

I did contact Theymos and he said he has been meticulous with funds.  This is something that will help legitimize bitcoin.  Win win for all but the scammer OG.

[suchmoon]

It boggles my mind as to why so many fine users here care about these petty side squabbles while they are IMO completely overshadowed by this whole IRS situation..
Maybe I am the only one who thinks the IRS situation is a big deal but I think it is a very big deal..

I don't know if this is aimed at me in any way, I'm not a "fine user" so maybe not LOL but I do comment on a petty squabble here and there.

Here's my take on this. I pay my taxes. Those who don't pay are assholes because guess what - they're not reimbursing me personally for the shit they use like potholed roads and shitty schools and wars in hot sandy places. I have little sympathy for them. They're welcome to move somewhere with no taxes or vote Rand Paul for president, democracy FTW.

Also I have some doubts about breaking down doors for tax audit - been there, done that, the 1920s vintage door is still there. In fact the auditor never showed up at my house, I had to haul my ass to their office. I know, not a proof that a raid can't happen but I find it hard to believe that it's such a major issue for a routine tax audit as you're making it sound.

Having said that, I'm not going to report anyone, except assholes who directly try to rope me into their money laundering schemes (also been there). Just like I wouldn't report a suspiciously looking person with a hoodie walking down the street. And even if Vod feels strongly about this and reported to IRS or whatever, I think it would be much better to let the authorities do the job instead of constantly poking Og with it.

Og on the other hand is a filthy liar, quite ironic given the title of this thread. Not laughing at his hypocrisy is just too damn hard, sorry.

[OgNasty]

I pay my taxes.

Og on the other hand is a filthy liar

I pay my taxes.

suchmoon is a filthy liar who claims to be law abiding while getting paid to promote an illegal money laundering service.  How do we know suchmoon pays taxes on those earnings?  Have you given your TaxID # to your signature campaign manager suchmoon?  My guess is no.  Let's take a look at the actual illegal and tax evading activity taking place here.

It's clear for everyone to see that the claim I don't pay my taxes is bullshit with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.  The trolls hopping on this fight to try and legitimize it should be stripped of their merit source and DT status in my opinion as Vod is 100% in the wrong.  I think theymos is doing a massive disservice to the forum by allowing this trolling to continue and giving these dishonorable members positions of influence.

You're going to try and put the blame on me for his non paying sales tax?

Do you have evidence I don't pay sales tax?  Do you think all sellers on this forum who don't publicly collect sales tax % should be labeled as scammers and reported to the IRS?

[suchmoon]

suchmoon is a filthy liar who claims to be law abiding while getting paid to promote an illegal money laundering service.  How do we know suchmoon pays taxes on those earnings?

You don't.

Let's take a look at the actual illegal and tax evading activity taking place here.

Feel free to report me to the IRS. While you're at it - I smoked pot a couple of years back, and this morning I crossed the street just as the light was turning red.

This should put me in the clink for good. It won't make you less of a lying douchenozzle though.

[ibminer]

Damn eddie13, I thought I was the only one paranoid around here.

The type of corrupt agencies you are throwing into the mix here would certainly not have needed Vod's dox, nor an IRS complaint, to attempt any of the things you've mentioned, and many people on this forum would have had the intelligence to have found Og's location in the past (still could). I'd guess the government agencies you are referring to are well aware of who the treasurers of this forum are, their locations, and probably even their financial information.

But as I've stated already, I didn't agree with a public dox and it did cross a line that I think should only be crossed if someone is confirmed 100% as a scammer.

In regards to the Ibminer insinuation, that's for them to sort out. There is no feedback I can see regarding any lost miners or reference to one so it would lead me to believe that a simple, "okay I fucked up and was thinking of someone else". Then here's the kicker something that seems so difficult for some people here to say, "sorry". I know earth shattering shit, don't know how I come up with it.

Thinking of someone else??  Who else would he be thinking of?

There's no feedback because it never happened. Nor will you see any feedback from Og to anyone saying they were sent a miner and ran away with it.
Why would he not have left feedback for something like that?  It's a little hard for me to believe he was thinking of someone else so I have no choice to think he made it up to attack my character and taint the validity of my post, just because he didn't like what I was saying.

As for the "sorry" comment, I saw Vod at least attempt a truce early on and it was ignored. Og doesn't seem to want this to end, he wants to win. Og has bumped this thread plenty after it has died down.

This has resulted in you already getting back 25% of your initial investment within 4 years while maintaining the purchased asset.  You are unhappy with this return. 

My investment was in BTC and the returns were to be weekly BTC distributions to your coins address.
So the percentage you are looking for is < 1% (.6%) over the past 4 years. Do you believe this was a wise use of my BTC?

I know you want to blame me for everything, but the fact is that I'm a guy who continues to go above and beyond for the projects I support, and I tried to support your project, but you and Vod turned out to be total manipulative liars engaging in the regular lie and deflect tactic while the trolls circle.

I have no clue what you tried to work out with Vod, as that was between you and him. I've asked you numerous times in the past to show me more proof or evidence (in context) on any of your claims, and you won't. Explain to me where I've been a manipulative liar?

The fact you ibminer are still mad about a signature I wore for a month, 3 years ago, when I removed it as soon as I could speaks volumes about the level of control you think you can exert over others.  You and Vod are a perfect pair.

While I wouldn't blame you for my stupidity, I figured I still had a right to warn others not to be stupid.. and I don't believe I lied about anything. You trying to exert control over me to do otherwise (making up a story about me stealing, calling me a liar, and casually bringing up my dox) all seem a little hypocritical given the situation.

[OgNasty]

I smoked pot a couple of years back

It's legal where you're at, so I don't think anyone cares about your drug use.  Not paying taxes on signature earnings and promoting illegal activity is probably a larger concern.

I saw Vod at least attempt a truce early on and it was ignored. Og doesn't seem to want this to end, he wants to win. Og has bumped this thread plenty after it has died down.

I want the truth to be stated.  That should be a win for the forum, not just a win for me. He never apologized for his lies and I didn't tell any lies so his "attempt at a truce" was more bullshit covering the fact that I told the truth and he lied.  Vod can admit the truth, an Admin can review the discussion and confirm I never made an offer of seats in exchange for sponsorship, or I can just keep inquiring about the issue.  Rather than admit the truth, Vod keeps lying.  Some people like suchmoon seem to believe his lies and trust him, so as I've been told, I'm apparently obligated to act in order to warn others that may be doing business with Vod that he is a liar with a long history of bad behavior.

I can't make this situation any easier to resolve then to say, "Vod, admit the truth that I did not offer you any seats for sponsorship and I will lock the topic." - Literally admit the first tiny part of his wrongdoing that started this is all he has to do but he is choosing to waste everyone's time with his lies.  Why not put the blame where it belongs, on Vod the liar?

People blaming me for wanting this simple truth to be stated by the liar who stated the opposite and making me out to be the bad guy should be ashamed of themselves.  I did nothing wrong.  I offered to sponsor the guy's project & refused to let him decide who I trust.  Those actions shouldn't result in lies being told about me (that idiots like suchmoon merit & swear to).  I can't think of a better scenario to show just how fucked up the current trust and merit networks are.

While I wouldn't blame you for my stupidity, I figured I still had a right to warn others not to be stupid.. and I don't believe I lied about anything. You trying to exert control over me to do otherwise (making up a story about me stealing, calling me a liar, and casually bringing up my dox) all seem a little hypocritical given the situation.

I said doxxing you would be childish, don't make it seem like I doxxed you.  You are obviously still holding me accountable for your stupidity.  I wore a signature ad for a month 3 years ago.  I removed as soon as I could.  Get over it.  I also asked if you were the miner stealer guy, and you alerted me that you were the signature whiner guy.  There is no need to blow that exchange out of proportion either.  I have a lot of trolls as I've dealt with thousands of users over the last 8 & 1/2 years and if I knew specifically which one you were I wouldn't have asked the question.

[suchmoon]

I smoked pot a couple of years back

It's legal where you're at, so I don't think anyone cares about your drug use.  Not paying taxes on signature earnings and promoting illegal activity is probably a larger concern.

I'm totally in awe of your concern trolling and passing allusions to your knowledge of my place of residence. Come over here and make a citizen's arrest - you'll be a hero for sure, what with having taken down such a vicious criminal.

[Vod]

Do you have evidence I don't pay sales tax?  Do you think all sellers on this forum who don't publicly collect sales tax % should be labeled as scammers and reported to the IRS?

Of course.   You have claimed to have shipped thousands of coins, but you have never collected tax on any of them.   You could have proved me wrong at anytime by providing your business number or your tax number, both of which are public knowledge and do not exist.

Not all scammers need to be reported.  But you are a big fish.   You are "set for life" according to you, so you don't NEED to steal... you do it for greed.

He never apologized for his lies and I didn't tell any lies so his "attempt at a truce" was more bullshit covering the fact that I told the truth and he lied.

Thanks for that.  Everyone should consider you as honest as that comment right there.  Of course you have lied.

[marlboroza]

[...]getting paid to promote an illegal money laundering service[...]

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promoting illegal activity is probably a larger concern.

I maybe misunderstood these statements...have you informed administration about it?

[suchmoon]

I maybe misunderstood these statements...have you informed administration about it?

You're missing the big picture - he's employed by the forum administration as a treasurer, so clearly part of the same money-laundering ring.

I mean either that or a massive concern-trolling twat. We'll never know.

[marlboroza]

You're missing the big picture - he's employed by the forum administration as a treasurer, so clearly part of the same money-laundering ring ecosystem.

FTFY 

[OgNasty]

I'm totally in awe of your concern trolling and passing allusions to your knowledge of my place of residence. Come over here and make a citizen's arrest - you'll be a hero for sure, what with having taken down such a vicious criminal.

If this is a serious invitation I'd prefer we met closer to the beach.

Do you have evidence I don't pay sales tax?  Do you think all sellers on this forum who don't publicly collect sales tax % should be labeled as scammers and reported to the IRS?

Of course.   You have claimed to have shipped thousands of coins, but you have never collected tax on any of them.   You could have proved me wrong at anytime by providing your business number or your tax number, both of which are public knowledge and do not exist.

Not all scammers need to be reported.  But you are a big fish.   You are "set for life" according to you, so you don't NEED to steal... you do it for greed.

The thousands of coins I sold that you're referring to was done through retailers.  Perhaps you need to brush up on sales tax laws.  You aren't smart Vod.  You really need to focus on fixing all the broken things in your life Vod as trying to tear down others won't improve your situation.  I'd start with telling the truth.

Maybe I should change my title from Donator to Big Fish?  LOL

I maybe misunderstood these statements...have you informed administration about it?

You're missing the big picture - he's employed by the forum administration as a treasurer, so clearly part of the same money-laundering ring.

 


I'm still trying to figure out what Vod meant by saying, "I have a lot more to lose than you do by exposing someone" and then linking to the below site.

Is your real life identity known?

I have a lot more to lose than you do by exposing someone.

EXAMPLE:  
https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/martin-lawrence/select-stateprovince/martin-lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-st-albert-edmonton-st-albert-alberta-1158255