Vod is an extortionist. Get him out of DT!

[Vod]

Post your business number, or admit you have never paid taxes!

Can't make it more simple than that...

[OgNasty]

Post your business number, or admit you have never paid taxes!

Can't make it more simple than that...

Financial privacy is one of the things I thought Bitcoiners all agreed was important.  I guess not.  I think most of us are on the same page when it comes to pedophiles though.

Explain why you sent me the below quote, or admit you enjoy looking at pictures of underage boys you fifty plus year old sick fuck.

Can't make it more simple than that.

Is your real life identity known?

I have a lot more to lose than you do by exposing someone.

EXAMPLE:  
https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/martin-lawrence/select-stateprovince/martin-lawrence-vodmlawrence-pedo-bitcoin-st-albert-edmonton-st-albert-alberta-1158255

[Vod]

Financial privacy is one of the things I thought Bitcoiners all agreed was important.  I guess not.  I think most of us are on the same page when it comes to pedophiles though.

There is no financial privacy issue by giving out your business number. 

Admit you have never paid taxes, liar. 

[guigui371]

Post your business number, or admit you have never paid taxes!

Can't make it more simple than that...

Seriously, how long we will see this drama?

I'd like to say "until Og gets audited and is finally forced* to pay his taxes" but something tells me it won't end there.

*The IRS will probably offer him one of those "obey the law and we won't send you to jail" deals, but even that's bound to be spun as "non-consensual use of force".

Well, when we see that Donald duck Trump, who had a building with his name on it (so easy to find), has been able to doge taxes and no publishing them for decades.
Now he is even easier to find, (just go to large white house) he still refuse to prove that he isn't a tax fraud, even thou he was elected as Captain America by less than the relative majority of the american voters, but with more than the majority of the 538 happy few that are supposed to be the representative.

With that being said, I would be pretty confident none of you will see OG tax paper before seeing the one of POTUS.

And to be fair, why would OG release his.
People of the internet, this fight Vod / OG has been dragging for ages.


Taxes : with a good account you can have a legit business and not pay taxes.
Even better, you can make a loss and then claim taxes for years (refer Donald Trump)

[Vod]

And to be fair, why would OG release his.

Why not?  It's a public number that means he can do business and collect taxes in his state. 

There is nothing private about a business number.   OG doesn't have one and has never paid taxes.  :/

[guigui371]

And to be fair, why would OG release his.

Why not?  It's a public number that means he can do business and collect taxes in his state. 

There is nothing private about a business number.   OG doesn't have one and has never paid taxes.  :/

I am not very knowledgeable on the US tax matter, so excuse me to ask the question.

Do you have to set up a entity (business) to conduct trading/ business in the Us state where he resides ?
If it is on a small scale, can't you just use your own SSN and bank account instead of setting up a business account and IRS number.
How do you know that the business structure he has set up (Ltd maybe ?) isn't linked to his real name / address / SSN. Maybe it is the case in his State and not yours ? (again, asking question, i just don't know the answer). 


In the county where I live (not the USA).
You can conduct business (as a hobby, on a small scale) without setting up a proper business entity.
But if you set up a business, the director name and place of business is publicly available.

[Vod]

In the county where I live (not the USA).
You can conduct business (as a hobby, on a small scale) without setting up a proper business entity.
But if you set up a business, the director name and place of business is publicly available.

OG is not small scale.  He has sold more coins than most people sell in a lifetime on their hobby store. 

If OG was collecting taxes, he would have had to send his tax/business number to everyone he shipped to.   He doesn't have one, and has never paid taxes.  :/

[guigui371]

In the county where I live (not the USA).
You can conduct business (as a hobby, on a small scale) without setting up a proper business entity.
But if you set up a business, the director name and place of business is publicly available.

OG is not small scale.  He has sold more coins than most people sell in a lifetime on their hobby store. 

Ok, valid point.

If OG was collecting taxes, he would have had to send his tax/business number to everyone he shipped to.   He doesn't have one, and has never paid taxes.  :/

Hasn't he already replied that he used re-sellers (to lazy to find quote).
And then the only time he would have to send his tax/business would be to sell the coin in bulk to re-seller.

Then the re-seller ship with their own tax number to end users. 


I personally understand why he wouldn't want to revel his details to the forum.
Who knows what people could find and then show up at his house.
Maybe he didn't do a good job hiding his details/Id when he set up his business (I know I didn't, I would do thing differently now, using trusts and 3rd party directors).

Also, question to you Vod, -please do not take it a personal attack-.
Don't you think that (collectively) you guys do a big deal out of this situation. 

People do lie (I am not saying that you, or he lied, no accusation in my words, I followed/read the whole story, but it is just to big to fully, my brain is melting ), people have lied and will lie in the future. Nothing we can do about it.
Bill Clinton lied (Monica Lewinsky)
George W bush lied (MDW)
Donald Duck is lying on a daily basis

The current state of the forum / meta looks like the cold war of the 1950/1990. 

[Vod]

Hasn't he already replied that he used re-sellers (to lazy to find quote).
And then the only time he would have to send his tax/business would be to sell the coin in bulk to re-seller.

Then the re-seller ship with their own tax number to end users. 

His order process asks for address, charges a shipping fee and doesn't list a business number.

Even if he didn't need to charge sales tax in his mind, he stills need a license to do business!

Also, question to you Vod, -please do not take it a personal attack-.
Don't you think that (collectively) you guys do a big deal out of this situation. 

My issue is not with the fact he lied, it's that he is STILL lying, even after being exposed as a tax scammer.    If he had apologized and moved on, he prob could have recovered - not everyone views tax fraud as a crime. 

Now all he can do is call me a liar.  :/

[eddie13]

refuse to prove that he isn't a tax fraud

That's not how it works.. A person should never have to prove a negative..
If you want him for tax fraud you have to prove he committed tax fraud..
A person does not need to prove the opposite of an accusation, the accusation needs to be proved by the accuser..

And to be fair, why would OG release his.

Right, even if he is guilty, he is not required to present evidence against himself..
"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself" 5Th ammendment..

Taxes : with a good account you can have a legit business and not pay taxes.
Even better, you can make a loss and then claim taxes for years (refer Donald Trump)

The smarter you are the less taxes you pay..
Their is nothing immoral about paying as little taxes as possible..

People of the internet, this fight Vod / OG has been dragging for ages.

This isn't all that bad..
I think the best way to finish it is to get all the facts out..

Vod doesn't have to post any proof of his claim about being offered nasty shares just like OGNasty doesn't have to post his tax information..

[xolxol]

Post your business number!

hahahaha Vod is an idiot and its clearly proven here,those who support this idiot are totally absurd.Clowns of Lauda go ahead but the truth will prevail theymos wont trust OG without any reasons.

[guigui371]

refuse to prove that he isn't a tax fraud

That's not how it works.. A person should never have to prove a negative..
If you want him for tax fraud you have to prove he committed tax fraud..
A person does not need to prove the opposite of an accusation, the accusation needs to be proved by the accuser..

I just want to point that the "snipet" that you selected from my original message refers to Donald Trump and not to OG.

[marlboroza]

Explain why you sent me the below quote, or admit you enjoy looking at pictures of underage boys you fifty plus year old sick fuck.

I have a lot more to lose than you do by exposing someone.

His info is known so when he expose someone they can use that info to hurt him, ripoff report is given to you as one example of someone "hurting" him (reputation), that is how I understood that message.

Other than this, you should be aware that Ripoff Report is extortion site, anyone can anonymously submit report against someone - while Ripoff won't verify such reports, they will post them and you will have to pay them to investigate those claims and to remove them from site.

[Vod]

His info is known so when he expose someone they can use that info to hurt him, ripoff report is given to you as one example of someone "hurting" him (reputation), that is how I understood that message.

You make it sound so simple... I wonder why OG brought in his pedophile fantasy to defend not paying taxes.  :/

[El duderino_]

Dammit gonna read bit tomorrow  (just saw this last line)..... But f*** who like to pay taxes    

I honestly hate that as well, have to pay them but meeeh, dislike it !

[OgNasty]

You make it sound so simple... I wonder why OG brought in his pedophile fantasy to defend not paying taxes.  :/

You are the one who brought up pedophilia.  I didn't ask you to send me that shit you sick fuck.  You refuse to acknowledge actual legitimate PMs I post, but keep going on about your fantasy that I offered you something for your website.

I wish I didn't have to pay taxes...  2017 was insane.

[Vod]

You make it sound so simple... I wonder why OG brought in his pedophile fantasy to defend not paying taxes.  :/

You are the one who brought up pedophilia.  I didn't ask you to send me that shit you sick fuck.  You refuse to acknowledge actual legitimate PMs I post, but keep going on about your fantasy that I offered you something for your website.

I wish I didn't have to pay taxes...  2017 was insane.

Are you claiming I sent you anything related to pedophiles, OG?   

[Gyfts]

Does anyone think the default trust is being used for character attacks rather than trustworthiness? I have no stake in what's going nor do I even know the full story but in seems a few months ago a lot of people on default trust had less negative feedback on their accounts. Probably not in the best interest for people trying to gauge trust of a member but I'd concede there are conversations to be had if allegations have some truth to them. Again, this is me not knowing the full story in this thread.

[Vod]

Does anyone think the default trust is being used for character attacks rather than trustworthiness? I have no stake in what's going nor do I even know the full story but in seems a few months ago a lot of people on default trust had less negative feedback on their accounts. Probably not in the best interest for people trying to gauge trust of a member but I'd concede there are conversations to be had if allegations have some truth to them. Again, this is me not knowing the full story in this thread.

A number of people left me negative feedback regarding my public dox of OG.   Theymos called for forgiveness, and a number of people cherry picked his words to leave more negative feedback.

OG also received a large amount of negative feedback, but received an unique show of support when he returned the coin he was obligated to, or go on the run with his family.

I continue to count on time and OG's posts to expose him on the forum, as he was exposed IRL by the IRS.

[Gyfts]

Does anyone think the default trust is being used for character attacks rather than trustworthiness? I have no stake in what's going nor do I even know the full story but in seems a few months ago a lot of people on default trust had less negative feedback on their accounts. Probably not in the best interest for people trying to gauge trust of a member but I'd concede there are conversations to be had if allegations have some truth to them. Again, this is me not knowing the full story in this thread.

A number of people left me negative feedback regarding my public dox of OG.   Theymos called for forgiveness, and a number of people cherry picked his words to leave more negative feedback.

OG also received a large amount of negative feedback, but received an unique show of support when he returned the coin he was obligated to, or go on the run with his family.

I continue to count on time and OG's posts to expose him on the forum, as he was exposed IRL by the IRS.

I get what you're saying.  It's fair. Earlier this year I remember both yourself and OG not having any negative feedback by DT members and it seems there's been a lot of cross linking with DT members leaving each other negative trust with a lot of character attacks. Depending whether the allegations are true or not, I guess it's fair but I'd probably need to actually read up on the situation myself quite frankly. From what I'm gather in this thread it's a long convoluted story that I'm not sure I'll fully understand lmao

Will leave this here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgS50Y06bnY