Livecoin participants should be tag?

[wwzsocki]

I'm a bit confused as to how much of a scam exchange Livecoin is...

I can only answer from my perspective.

As I said, already use them many years and never was in need to contact support. You are right and Livecoin is on the same level as Yobit, HitBtc, Nova, CoinExchange, (Cryptopia) or any other exchange like this mentioned. One just needs to know how to use them and read the TOS before registering. No red flags will save them if they don't do the homework in the first place.

This case against Livecoin is not an obvious case where a deposit is missing or withdrawal is not paid. This would be an obvious scam and only if repeated a couple of times.
Taking into consideration how many clients they have, support issues will happen and this is something which could be expected on every exchange, even the best one.

All exchanges have such Terms of Service. Better or worse, they are hidden between complex industry specificities, to mislead users or put there in the hope, that they will not understand it completely or never read it in the first place. Livecoin TOS are there from the very beginning and to bring them now, to the light is like a fall start in the sport. A very long one, because took a few years to find it, which proves that indeed nobody reads these rules before registering.

I don't see any other scammed members in this accusation thread against Livecoin, which is very rare and weird. Taking into consideration, how many people are scammed because of exchanges.
We can assume, that this accusation thread caught attention from the entire forum and all interested members have already seen it, so why are they not complaining also?

Despite, how shady and not moral this TOS are for many DT1, they are there from the beginning and one has, to agree with them after reading. I have read these terms and there is nothing more as an exception to close an account when one will spread support information or any other false information against the exchange. Not so hard to do it if you know about it. To accuse now Livecoin, that they use it against OP is not appropriate, because OP was warned multiple times, proven to be lying about the exchange and even admit it publicly.

Livecoin exchange is the high-risk crypto exchange but is not a scam so far. No more or less, like any other even more reputable exchange.

[marlboroza]

I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends  

EDIT1: Tagged all members that applied on the first page, will do 2nd page tomorrow.

I used to tag all scam ICO promoters when they have been warned about ICO being scam.

I just want to say that I support your action, this applies for every service which holds users funds against their will - if there is unresolved issue with user's funds community should force service to give  funds back to user.

I suppose tagging and flagging such accounts won't matter much but there are other things to do - say fuck off to all scam promoters:

1) put all scam promoters on ignore
2) Don't make any deals with them
3) Campaign managers ban them from joining campaigns you are running

They don't deserve to be part of this community.

Say FUCK OFF to scammers and their promoters, lets keep this community scam free!  

[teeGUMES]

Can you guys please find User #2 who has been negatively affected by Livecoin's harsh and unjust policies? Until then, the whole witch hunt against Livecoin just seems to be an excuse for people to cast judgment on others. Lame.

You're right, I'm sure User #1 was the only one trading mona and monero on this dump exchange. Also do you happen to have an alt named Livecoin Manager by chance?

[bones261]

Said person with signature of Sporstbet.io which has 5 (!!!) (it's in 5 time more than Livecoin) scam accusations. You know, we (slavs) have very precise and relevant catchphrase about such kind of people: "ты или кpecтик cними, или тpycы нaдeнь"

   Just so you are aware of who you are attacking, I happened to have worn the Livecoin signature for 2 months before being one of the first people to remove it due to the scam accusation, which was detrimental to my BTC wallet.  So don't come after me and try to make me look like some kind of hypocrite.   Now that you have brought this sportsbet.io scam accusations to my attention. I will look into the matter. (Which you didn't make easy for me, since you provided zero links for me to follow.) Since I was willing to give up over .0195 BTC earning potential due to principles, it wouldn't make sense for me to not give up .005 BTC per week earning potential due to my principles, now would it?  

   Furthermore, did you even read and comprehend my post that you responded to? I think that I was very fair in my assessment. I even said yobit is worse than Livecoin. Just so that you know, I don't intend on giving red trust comments or issue flags to new Livecoin signature campaign participants. However, your post really had me tempted for a few moments to make an exception in your case.  

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Seeing some strong argument here, the whole idea of the forum not having a definite punishment against supporting scam related projects is why we're having mix reactions but then your ethics should come into play when there are no fixed punishment as to encourage community opinions.

Issues like this reviews the community is still far behind, some individuals have decided to stay off this argument due to some personal or selfish reasons. I still stand on the ground if a project has a scam accusation irrespective of what the previous reputation of the project was, they should first resolved that issue before been allowed to advertise on the forum especially via BTC paid signatures campaigns. If this isn't tackled then the forum is not different from the big ads platforms we have out there. Lets act with humanity for once.

The forum should stop running away from responsibility, one way or they other they should find a way to keep things under control as a little moderation of signature campaign won't be bad.

[cabalism13]

1) put all scam promoters on ignore
2) Don't make any deals with them
3) Campaign managers ban them from joining campaigns you are running

I feel sorry for some users,but I think there should be a limit on whom should be blacklisted from campaigns, the fact that some are just good posters and might be just applying without knowing that there are some issues going on the said Exchange.

Not all should be excluded, just think of it, they should be just warned, and as for the shitty scumbags who doesnt care about a thing, I support the tagging and the blacklisting of them from the campaigns of the reputed CMs.

[johhnyUA]

Said person with signature of Sporstbet.io which has 5 (!!!) (it's in 5 time more than Livecoin) scam accusations. You know, we (slavs) have very precise and relevant catchphrase about such kind of people: "ты или кpecтик cними, или тpycы нaдeнь"

   Just so you are aware of who you are attacking, I happened to have worn the Livecoin signature for 2 months before being one of the first people to remove it due to the scam accusation, which was detrimental to my BTC wallet.  So don't come after me and try to make me look like some kind of hypocrite.   Now that you have brought this sportsbet.io scam accusations to my attention. I will look into the matter.

I know that fact, you're very honest person (but too illegible as for me). But after one "shady" signature you're jump into another. I don't have anything against bounty participants of Sportsbet (everyone makes money how he can best, and some times we need them much more than respect from forum nerds), but i'm full of hypocrisy shit. If Hrampuz want to tag me - no problem, but only with you my friend.

For honest, promoting casinos, gambling sites and other shit can be considered as scam. Even against Chipmixer some charges were brought that it's not a mixer at all (how can you describe yourself as a mixer if someone can create site with all connections input/output data?) The only problem, that i don't have Tor for now, so i can't verify or reject such declarations. If they are true, would you really think that our well loved and respectable members will run out this campaign?   I doubt, for honest.

Now that you have brought this sportsbet.io scam accusations to my attention. I will look into the matter.

Here it is:

Or maybe you would tag Sportsbet.io signature members (we have 1, 2, 3,  4, 5 opened Scam Accusations) (it's in 5 times more than against Livecoin)

Can you guys please find User #2 who has been negatively affected by Livecoin's harsh and unjust policies? Until then, the whole witch hunt against Livecoin just seems to be an excuse for people to cast judgment on others. Lame.

Yep, in russian local board, in Livecoin topic we have few. But they looks like trolls or blackmailers, and they "were scammed" not only by Livecoin, but Yobit, HitBTC, exmo crex and others as well. 100 % victims  

[wwzsocki]

I have built and fight for my account too long to lost it because of a signature campaign. If there will be no agreement on the forum I will quit the campaign.

And that is why I want to apply here to every member, to hold a little with all these tags and lists of death until we are talking here. Take into consideration that the Livecoin thread is closed.

Nobody got paid even a cent so far and there are many members, like me, which expected this discussion and participated in the first edition.

If participants of campaign would be still intimidated and more sort of ultimatum will be given to us, unfortunately, I will have to give in to these pressures and end campaign despite my own thoughts.

[Findingnemo]

When someone supporting scam activities with their knowledge then it can also be considered under your definition.You can ask the same question to red trust queen and what answer you will get.

So sportsbet, yobit, and bitcasino participants are supporting scam sites? and how do we treat them? Why aren't they treated like livecoin's participants?

When someone says that they won't return any fund to the user if they state anywhere about this issue is good thing?

If yobit or other sites were doing the same thing then they also can be considered as trustworthy (IMO).

FYI Hhampuz already tagged the participants for joining on their campaign.

[khaled0111]

Sadly, few good members applied to join Livecoin campaign which makes DTs hesitating about whether they should tag them or not.

Promoting a SCAM makes you an accomplice. Based on that any DT member who supported the flag against Livecoin should tag all campaign participants (after warning them in case they didn't know about the scam accusation) or remove their support to the flag.

[marlboroza]

1) put all scam promoters on ignore
2) Don't make any deals with them
3) Campaign managers ban them from joining campaigns you are running

I feel sorry for some users,but I think there should be a limit on whom should be blacklisted from campaigns, the fact that some are just good posters and might be just applying without knowing that there are some issues going on the said Exchange.

Not all should be excluded, just think of it, they should be just warned, and as for the shitty scumbags who doesnt care about a thing, I support the tagging and the blacklisting of them from the campaigns of the reputed CMs.

Campaign manager has negative feedback pointing to scam accusation which is pointing into red flag - there are enough warnings, thus some of them responded in this thread.

Ignorance is not excuse.

At this moment they are knowingly advertising service which scammed user, you are basically suggesting selection of users who should be blacklisted because they are not eloquent like some other users, well I can tell you that this is simple wrong.

[fortunecrypto]

I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends  

EDIT1: Tagged all members that applied on the first page, will do 2nd page tomorrow.

I got tagged, unfortunately, have sent you a message for reconsideration I am not fully aware of the seriousness of the accusations because I seldom post and visit the scam section I was about to delete my application there but unfortunately, the thread was locked yesterday will have to wait a week before it gets unlocked.
That was a bad decision on my part and would like to ask what needs to be done so the red tag is taken away and hoping that I can still stay on your campaign.

[marlboroza]

That was a bad decision on my part and would like to ask what needs to be done so the red tag is taken away and hoping that I can still stay on your campaign.

Why would you want to stay in campaign which you wanted to resign?

I was about to delete my application there but unfortunately, the thread was locked yesterday will have to wait a week before it gets unlocked.

Why would anyone believe you now? Do you believe in your own words?

thanks @wwzsocki for correcting me, I forget that it is impossible to remove post within 24 hours.

[wwzsocki]

I was about to delete my application there but unfortunately, the thread was locked yesterday will have to wait a week before it gets unlocked.

Why would anyone believe you now? Do you believe in your own words?

I would because I see this when I try to remove my post with application. I told you already a few times not everybody is lying here.



This message in the screen is not fully true I can't even edit this post to "delete" or something.

thanks @wwzsocki for correcting me, I forget that it is impossible to remove post within 24 hours.

No problem always here to help you. Don't know will check after 24hours and let you know if you wish?

[Findingnemo]

I was about to delete my application there but unfortunately, the thread was locked yesterday will have to wait a week before it gets unlocked.

Why would anyone believe you now? Do you believe in your own words?

I would because I see this when I try to remove my post with application. I told you already a few times not everybody is lying here.



This message in the screen is not fully true I can't even edit this post to "delete" or something.

And service section we can't delete the post in less than 24 hours after that post being posted, but we can edit them.

Here The thread is locked so editing the application is not possible but you could wait for 24 hours and can delete yours.

[DarkStar_]

For honest, promoting casinos, gambling sites and other shit can be considered as scam. Even against Chipmixer some charges were brought that it's not a mixer at all (how can you describe yourself as a mixer if someone can create site with all connections input/output data?) The only problem, that i don't have Tor for now, so i can't verify or reject such declarations. If they are true, would you really think that our well loved and respectable members will run out this campaign?   I doubt, for honest.

The site is mostly accurate (I believe people could create their own chips to trick the site), and this is how ChipMixer works and has worked since the ANN date. This should not be a surprise. You are given fungible 'chips' created usually before your deposit was made and can spend them however you wish. It's arguably a better method of mixing than traditional mixers.

Oh no! ChipMixer has been exposed that it works exactly the way it's described! Their reputation is ruined!
Side note: The website is no longer accessible as BestMixer was seized by authorities.

[khaled0111]

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It may be true in your case (you can delete your post in services board only after 24 hours from posting it). But this is not the case for fortunecrypto who applied in that thread on: July 19, 2019, 06:06:25 AM

I am not sure when did he try to delete his post. So, maybe he should try to delete it now.

[johhnyUA]

Side note: The website is no longer accessible as BestMixer was seized by authorities.

 

Little P.S: about this link - CLICK. Author says:

¹ Chipmixer was the only centralized mixing service which I did not break fully. However, I did not put much work into checking this mixing service.

I'm not telling that Chipmixer real mixer or not, just because i don't even try bestmixer site (unfortunately). This is another topic and here it's just offtop. But my idea was that every big srvice (mixing, trading or other) have it's own issues.

[DarkStar_]

Side note: The website is no longer accessible as BestMixer was seized by authorities.

 

Little P.S: about this link - CLICK. Author says:

¹ Chipmixer was the only centralized mixing service which I did not break fully. However, I did not put much work into checking this mixing service.

I'm not telling that Chipmixer real mixer or not, just because i don't even try bestmixer site (unfortunately). This is another topic and here it's just offtop. But my idea was that every big srvice (mixing, trading or other) have it's own issues.

I've read the threads I've linked, which is still much more than what you've done. I've never stated the ChipMixer is invincible, just that it works as designed and is less vulnerable than traditional mixers at the moment.

Tag yourself at first for promoting "scam" for 11 days. Or maybe you would tag Sportsbet.io signature members (we have 1, 2, 3,  4, 5 opened Scam Accusations) (it's in 5 times more than against Livecoin)

From what I see:
#1 - User double spent a deposit
#2 - Sportsbet asked for KYC to give a bonus since they suspected multiaccounting. User gave documents, received bonus as promised and was given an extra bonus on top as an apology for the inconvenience. If this is scamming, I kinda wanna be scammed.
#3 - Multi accounting and user's original deposit was returned.
#4 - Discussion thread about sportsbet.io and their support popped in telling a user that their problem was resolved. Links to #3, 5
#5 - User did a double spending attack on Sportsbet and their original deposit was returned

Since you believe that #2 is a valid scam accusation, how should Sportsbet.io have done better? User was happy that the problem was resolved, they were given more than what they were promised and normal operation procedures were used. What else do you want them to do?

[johhnyUA]

From what I see:

From what i see in Livecoin situation:
Some shady russian speakered noob (which woked up from long inactivity) claims that livecoin are scammers (without enough proofs, most links follow only AFTER his blackmails, we don't know what was before). Another noob (topic starter) tries to escalate (not noob, alt account). Of course, we have a bunch or russian speakered noobs ("victims") in russian board which tries to escalate panic and trolling everyone there. Noone from trusted members in my opinion, and in opinion of the forum don't have such problems. Nor english speakered nor russian speakered members higher than member. Don't you find it a little bit strange?  

Of course, most reputable and high trusted members in englih local board generously propose Livecoin to solve this issue in some interesting way: Open deposit/withdrawals for scammed coin.
What does it mean in terms of us, "dark rude goblins": fullfil claims of scammer, lost money, and of course lost all exchange in near future. Because every moron will start to use such way of scamming on the Livecoin. Make 51 % attack - wait some time - create topic on bitcointalk with claims to open withdrawal

PROFIT

Do you hear about famous catchphrase: "We do not negotiate with terrorists". The same in such businesses. If you start dialogue with a scammer your business will be dead soon.

For honest, Livecoin of course, doing strange things too. For example, they answered to my PM about this campaign (yep, it's really their manager). But they ignoring my PM's about this situation. But the fun fact: the same thing with a "victim". He can't remember how many other coins he had on his account (except 750 MONA), he was inactive DURING A YEAR. Look at his post history :
First message:

Week-5 27 Sep 2018 to 3 Oct 2018

Retweet + Like
https://twitter.com/goeurekatravel/status/1045269573136764928
https://twitter.com/goeurekatravel/status/1030468042826895360
https://twitter.com/goeurekatravel/status/1046810235124535297
https://twitter.com/goeurekatravel/status/1047360349513637888

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https://twitter.com/SnowWindOFF/status/1047445178808717312
https://twitter.com/SnowWindOFF/status/1047445395377459201

And after that the second message is on June 04 2019 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=378827.msg51348830#msg51348830

For example, I have 3400 Waggers on their site and forgot to withdraw them to wallet before site was terminated. I'm not crying "Arrryaaaa, Wagger are scammers, why are they closed their site, arrryaaaaa". It was my fault and i accept it.
The same with people who bought shitty coins on different exchanges. Of course, this remark valid only if "victim" is just stupid trader (most of russian traders) and not part of evil plan.

P.S: With Sportsbet my fault. I don't have time to reviewe this accusations, so i need to believe you. My apologize to all bounty participants and service.

P.P.S: I know that there so much mistakes in grammar, but i want to sleep, so will see you tomorrow