La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24

[harapan]

17 years old and made one winning goal. Yes, I am quite amazed by this young man. Marc Guiu came on and in the 33rd second he scored, this was his senior debut game. This goal also gave Barcelona a 1-0 win over Athletic Bilbao. Perhaps this is also the luck of the injured Robert Lewandowski and Frenkie de Jong. Marc Guiu took Xavi off his players and gave him minutes in place of Fermin Lopez. I don't think Xavi and Guiu are lucky, but this gives Guiu a lot of confidence.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67190337

Soon we are going to have Barcelona against Real Madrid and this game is very important for both teams because this time Real Madrid is in a better situation than Barcelona and they got expensive players like Jude Bellingham who is really talented and he even scored goals for this team instead of the forwards.
But the situation for Barcelona is not good at all and since Lewandowski is injured, Xavi asked the teams to make this player ready for this great match they are going to have against Real Madrid.



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We still do not know which player will return back to the list of players for the Champions league  match at home today for Barcelona and same for El Clasico  to be held during the week. Among this list absentee are players like Lewandowski, De Jong,  Raphina and Pedri.
Tonight doesn't look good for them to be back playing for hopes are now on the game against Real Madrid.
Xavi has said no excuses would be given when they play today and weekend during the press conferences. If Barcelona players won't return the players who Xavi used against Bilbao will not be bake to win Madrid.

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[MarjorieZimmermanGinger]

Ramos showed a different appearance when Sevilla vs Barcelona and Sevilla vs Real Madrid, he seemed to be the hero of Barcelona victory due to the own goal he scored against Sevilla. Ramos appeared fierce when Sevilla faced Real Madrid, he played very disciplined in protecting Sevilla defense. Ramos performance was extraordinary, he also recorded a score of 8.0 due to his success in protecting the Sevilla defense area from attacks by Real Madrid players.

I see Rodrygo as just a complement to Real Madrid's squad, he didn't help Real Madrid much in this match, Real Madrid seemed to be playing with 10 players.

It was just a coincidence in my opinion and there is no way Sergio Ramos intended to do that, anyone would be faced with that situation and there is no way to avoid it. Sergio Ramos' performances against Barcelona and Real Madrid were both good and he always worked hard to thwart his opponents' chances of scoring goals. Apart from that, the support of defenders and also helped Sergio Ramos quite a bit in maintaining this position, so that they only conceded two goals in these two big matches. But in the match against Arsenal they had to suffer defeat and it made it even more difficult for them to qualify for the next phase of the Champions League because they had only collected two points.

Rodrigo is not playing like usual and I watch Real Madrid matches very often and usually he plays much better than against Sevilla and always helps build attacks. The draw achieved by Real Madrid meant that their chances of moving away from points with their rivals failed and they are currently only one point behind Girona and Barcelona.

[bering]

El Classico will be so interesting this weekend but Barcelona confirmed will play without some of their players and one of them is Lewandowski and this is home match for Barcelona and according to the head to head statistics i can see Barcelona under Xavi always had good results from Real Madrid but Madrid also has been experience to beat Barcelona at Camp Nou 4-0 last season on Copa Del Rey so this match will be so tight

But indeed from team conditions Real Madrid was more better than Barcelona because this weekend the players such as Bellingham, Vinicius or Rodrygo confirmed will be available and do not forget too they still have Joselu as supersub player who almost be scored goals everytimes he was play so in my opinion Real Madrid had good chances to win the match but Barcelona is slightly the favourite with odds @2.40 and Real Madrid @2.75

[Republikcoin.com]

I understand that age is catching up with him finally. But if he truly wants to still play for Real Madrid, I don't think we can say anything bad about that as well. Because if he actually wants to do that, I believe he has earned the right to say that as well. But if we actually look at his body and the amount of time he has given in his career, I think we can easily say that he should be looking towards some other league that is less competitive or he should be thinking about retiring. Just imagine him getting tackled badly by someone like Sergio Ramos. That can end pretty badly for him. I know that is probably not gonna happen, at least not by Sergio Ramos.

However, the Real Madrid coach also has to think about the future and the team's current performance, and now it has been proven that Ancelotti is no longer giving Modric regular time. The coach wants there to be regeneration in the team to continue to have quality players in the midfield, and Real Madrid already has it.
At the age of 38, it is appropriate for Modric to retire and if not, perhaps he should go to a non-competitive league such as the Saudi Arabian league or MLS.

[rendravolt]

Currently Almeria is still stuck in the relegation zone after previously being badly beaten by Girona and in the last 10 matches they have lost 7 times. Almeria also have not won a single win in the 10 matches they have played and this makes their chances of escaping the relegation zone even more difficult. On the other hand, two other teams who had the same fate as Almeria, namely Granda and Celta Vigo, both slumped, only collecting the same 6 points. I think both Granada and Celta Vigo will each start competing next week to escape the temporary relegation zone and their distance from Mallorca, which is currently slightly better than both of them, only has 8 points, so Granada and Celta Vigo's chances can still be achieved. But that can also be done if Mallorca suffers a defeat.

Maybe this season will be a tough test for Almeria or Celta Vigo, which even last season gave their best performance before experiencing a decline at the end of the season. Meanwhile, for Granada, as one of the promoted teams this season, their fate is much worse than their compatriots, namely Alaves and Las Palmas.

maybe for teams like Almeria and Granada I can understand because this team often not consistently better and was relegated and promoted again several times but did not have any changes but for Celta its shame that this team usually far from the relegation zone but this season seems to have Its difficult to improve the quality of its players but I still believe Celta will soon improve its performance to immediately move away from the relegation zone.

Indeed, even though Celta Vigo can usually be in the middle of the standings, now they have dropped deep into the relegation zone. Could it be that the loss of its gem, Gabri Veiga, who went to a Saudi league team has had quite an impact on Celta Vigo's performance so far?

Apart from that, I think Celta Vigo has no other reason for their failure and I think they have to try again with the current squad. Maybe coach Rafael Benítez should be able to provide a new strategy for his squad because if they still use the same strategy it is likely that the results will be the same. We know that Rafael Benítez is an experienced coach and he has also coached big teams like Liverpool and Real Madrid in the past.

[Sakanwa]

I understand that age is catching up with him finally. But if he truly wants to still play for Real Madrid, I don't think we can say anything bad about that as well. Because if he actually wants to do that, I believe he has earned the right to say that as well. But if we actually look at his body and the amount of time he has given in his career, I think we can easily say that he should be looking towards some other league that is less competitive or he should be thinking about retiring. Just imagine him getting tackled badly by someone like Sergio Ramos. That can end pretty badly for him. I know that is probably not gonna happen, at least not by Sergio Ramos.

However, the Real Madrid coach also has to think about the future and the team's current performance, and now it has been proven that Ancelotti is no longer giving Modric regular time. The coach wants there to be regeneration in the team to continue to have quality players in the midfield, and Real Madrid already has it.
At the age of 38, it is appropriate for Modric to retire and if not, perhaps he should go to a non-competitive league such as the Saudi Arabian league or MLS.

Modric has no intention to retire at 38,he still wants to compete,and maybe perhaps wants to still keep himself fit.He doesn't also want to go to any league that he will not be seen or any league that's not in Europe,but I personally think he is making a wrong decision because it is quite obvious that Ancelotti doesn't want to use him any more,and it won't be okay that a player of his Calibre will be begging for playing time when he can still choose from different options where he wants to continue his career if he isn't yet ready to retire.He has to look at how he is being treated,and know what to do about it rather than feel unconcerned about the situation,and lose the respect that he already has.

[reagansimms]

I just don't understand why you keep calling it a shame when Real Madrid agrees to release him for a transfer fee during the winter transfer period. What about that is a shame as you call it, when both parties were to agree on a transfer and Modric with the consent of the Real Madrid officials leaves the club? I don't understand how something that everyone involved agrees with can also be a shame at the same time. We will very soon find out whether there are any plans for either of the parties to release Modric or for Modric to leave the club at all. This might as well be a superfluous discussion because it is no topic at all for the team and the player.

We can't blame Carlo Ancelotti for dropping the Croatia international from his starting XI this season. There's alot he's keen on handling at Santiago Bernabéu. We hoped for the very best players and achieving solid results is the ultimate priority for the club. Information circulates round the playmaker who's Luka Modric, he is aged and he's not longer effective enough to start games for Los Blancos at Santiago Bernabéu. Modrić leaving as a free agent? I don't think so because he's still part of the key project under Ancelotti and he have not given up on him.

Real Madrid already has a young and talented midfielder. Due to the presence of younger midfielders in the Real Madrid squad, Modric is starting to slowly lose his position. This fact cannot be avoided because the coach prefers younger and more powerful players. Even though Modric has experience and skills, the age factor really determines the coach's decision in drawing up his plans when his team competes.

Sooner or later Modric will part ways with Real Madrid, Modric departure does not leave as much of a hole in the Real Madrid squad as when Benzema left. Now Madrid already has a talented midfielder who can replace Modric well, so his departure does not really affect Real Madrid performance.

[Blitzboy]

Girona getting yet another win is definitely a big deal, those guys are doing something magical and I do not think that anyone expected them to have this kind of season at all, it is a shock to everyone, it must be at some point shock to even Girona as well, I do not think that players and the staff there expected to be this good before the season started as well, it's really cool to see them keep getting wins. They are tied at the top right now with Real Madrid and I think that's as big of an achievement as they could hope for.

I still do not think that they can hang in there, I still think that they are going to have a period where they lose points back to back and drop from the top, but it is a big achievement to be there for them even right now.

This season's Girona narrative is genuinely captivating! Still tied with Real Madrid at the summit after 10 matches? It is quite the story. By drawing parallels to their performance, it is clear that Girona's accomplishments are not the result of pure coincidence. They have displayed excellent football, complemented by an outstanding coach. Girona is proof that you dont need expensive star players to make an influence, as I've always believed. Nonetheless, Im a little anxious about the remainder of the season. It is a true endurance test, and I truly pray they dont lose steam.

[Despairo]

This season's Girona narrative is genuinely captivating! Still tied with Real Madrid at the summit after 10 matches? It is quite the story. By drawing parallels to their performance, it is clear that Girona's accomplishments are not the result of pure coincidence. They have displayed excellent football, complemented by an outstanding coach. Girona is proof that you dont need expensive star players to make an influence, as I've always believed. Nonetheless, Im a little anxious about the remainder of the season. It is a true endurance test, and I truly pray they dont lose steam.

If Girona can become a champion, it's really a huge achievement for them, just like how Leicester City won the Premier League on 2015-2016 season. They can win against weak clubs, but they're struggle when they face a top clubs e.g. Barcelona and Real Madrid. Since they only play in Copa del Rey and La Liga, they should take advantage over this because Barcelona and Real Madrid are participated in Champions League where they're will all out for this.

[Velvet78]

Bellingham couldn't score against Sevilla and didn't become the savior this time. However he is still keeping a really consistent performance in general. Because I don't even remember once that he played poorly in a game. He is always fighting for more and consolidating his place in the starting eleven more at the same time.

Is it expected?

Because Jude is not a striker and even a striker can not score goals in all matches. The scoring streak of Jude even becomes a history of one of most impressive scoring streak from a midfielder for Real Madrid.

Real Madrid need general good performance from Jude and they don't only expect the English player to score goal. It is even not a main task given to Jude Bellingham by Real Madrid and Carlo Ancelotti.

Of course this isn't the main contribution form expected from Bellingham right now. It was the same before the beginning of the season as well but he surprised everyone by making quite extra score contribution in most of the games. I hope people don't start criticizing him in vain if he can't score as many as at the beginning from now on.

As long as his general performance is at a good level he would surely support this effort with some goals and assists as well. By the way I saw Bellingham playing as a centre-forward against Braga which was interesting. Ancelotti didn't want to use Joselu and changed formation as well.

[uswa56]

Girona getting yet another win is definitely a big deal, those guys are doing something magical and I do not think that anyone expected them to have this kind of season at all, it is a shock to everyone, it must be at some point shock to even Girona as well, I do not think that players and the staff there expected to be this good before the season started as well, it's really cool to see them keep getting wins. They are tied at the top right now with Real Madrid and I think that's as big of an achievement as they could hope for.

I still do not think that they can hang in there, I still think that they are going to have a period where they lose points back to back and drop from the top, but it is a big achievement to be there for them even right now.

This season's Girona narrative is genuinely captivating! Still tied with Real Madrid at the summit after 10 matches? It is quite the story. By drawing parallels to their performance, it is clear that Girona's accomplishments are not the result of pure coincidence. They have displayed excellent football, complemented by an outstanding coach. Girona is proof that you dont need expensive star players to make an influence, as I've always believed. Nonetheless, Im a little anxious about the remainder of the season. It is a true endurance test, and I truly pray they dont lose steam.

There is nothing coincidental about what they have shown so far but all this cannot be separated from their increasing confidence after an impressive start to the season, but what needs to be maintained is their consistency and I am actually a little doubtful to what extent they will be able to survive in this season.
With the quality of players they have now, to be honest, I am very pessimistic that they will be able to stay at the top of the standings until the end of the season.

[Strongkored]

If Girona can become a champion, it's really a huge achievement for them, just like how Leicester City won the Premier League on 2015-2016 season. They can win against weak clubs, but they're struggle when they face a top clubs e.g. Barcelona and Real Madrid. Since they only play in Copa del Rey and La Liga, they should take advantage over this because Barcelona and Real Madrid are participated in Champions League where they're will all out for this.

If Girona manages to remain consistent until the end of the season and only loses when playing with a strong team, then that will be a surprise in Laliga, and it will be a very sweet history for Girona fans because maybe they never imagined their favorite club could become champions, but unfortunately, something like that will only happen once in the history of a club apart from clubs that are used to winning, and Girona took a very long time to repeat it and maybe it won't even be possible to repeat it again, we see how Sevilla was championed decades ago but after that have never managed to do it again and what is sometimes even more unpleasant is that in the following season after winning, they have difficulty performing well and experience financial problems so that in the end they return to being a mediocre team.

[Juse14]

If Girona can become a champion, it's really a huge achievement for them, just like how Leicester City won the Premier League on 2015-2016 season. They can win against weak clubs, but they're struggle when they face a top clubs e.g. Barcelona and Real Madrid. Since they only play in Copa del Rey and La Liga, they should take advantage over this because Barcelona and Real Madrid are participated in Champions League where they're will all out for this.

If Girona manages to remain consistent until the end of the season and only loses when playing with a strong team, then that will be a surprise in Laliga, and it will be a very sweet history for Girona fans because maybe they never imagined their favorite club could become champions, but unfortunately, something like that will only happen once in the history of a club apart from clubs that are used to winning, and Girona took a very long time to repeat it and maybe it won't even be possible to repeat it again, we see how Sevilla was championed decades ago but after that have never managed to do it again and what is sometimes even more unpleasant is that in the following season after winning, .....snip

It's a bit of a guess that if Girona can be consistent until the end of this season and only lose to top teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid and also Athletico Madrid, I think Girona can position itself as the winner this season, because if you look at the Real Madrid and Barcelona matches they sometimes losing and also getting a draw against a team that is below them, as previously Real Madrid were held to a draw by Sevilla in yesterday's match.

I don't know what is behind Girona's performance to reach its current performance. Coach Michel may have a good card so he can bring his team into the top three of the LaLiga standings. what that?

[rendravolt]

If Girona can become a champion, it's really a huge achievement for them, just like how Leicester City won the Premier League on 2015-2016 season. They can win against weak clubs, but they're struggle when they face a top clubs e.g. Barcelona and Real Madrid. Since they only play in Copa del Rey and La Liga, they should take advantage over this because Barcelona and Real Madrid are participated in Champions League where they're will all out for this.

Indeed, it is possible that there is a quite similar scenario between Girona and Leicester and everything could still happen considering it is still early in the season. We cannot avoid the fact that Girona is much stronger this season and the title race is finally on their radar. Every season Barcelona and Real Madrid want the Champions League title more than the La Liga title, unless their opportunity is lost in this competition then the turning point will be for both of them to compete again for the La Liga title.

It must be admitted that Girona is a new challenger in the title race and their chances of winning this title are quite high if they continue to maintain consistency. On the other hand, usually there will be times when the teams will fight each other hard 3 or 2 months before the season ends and if Girona can overcome this it will certainly be a very extraordinary season for them.

[Weawant]

If Girona can become a champion, it's really a huge achievement for them, just like how Leicester City won the Premier League on 2015-2016 season. They can win against weak clubs, but they're struggle when they face a top clubs e.g. Barcelona and Real Madrid. Since they only play in Copa del Rey and La Liga, they should take advantage over this because Barcelona and Real Madrid are participated in Champions League where they're will all out for this.

Girona has really been great this season, sitting at the second position on the table with twenty five points just like Madrid who is at the first with goal difference, is such a great achievement at this time, they have really work hard to have gotten there and it can be said it's deserving, because them achieving such without a star player is really applaudable and their coach aswell needs be commended.

They will now have to continually put up brilliant performance as this to keep up with their position as they still have three bigger teams who will contend the league title with them, Real Madrid, Barcelona and AthletiCo Madrid are strong teams in their good form who can definitely pose a strong opposition at Girona thereby threatening their position and possibility of winning the league title, but of they eventually happen to win, it will be historic that without a notable star player they achieved such, and their coach will be deserving of every commendation given him, but then I doubt the bigger boys will let this play out.

[hyudien]

If Girona can become a champion, it's really a huge achievement for them, just like how Leicester City won the Premier League on 2015-2016 season. They can win against weak clubs, but they're struggle when they face a top clubs e.g. Barcelona and Real Madrid. Since they only play in Copa del Rey and La Liga, they should take advantage over this because Barcelona and Real Madrid are participated in Champions League where they're will all out for this.

If Girona manages to remain consistent until the end of the season and only loses when playing with a strong team, then that will be a surprise in Laliga, and it will be a very sweet history for Girona fans because maybe they never imagined their favorite club could become champions, but unfortunately, something like that will only happen once in the history of a club apart from clubs that are used to winning, and Girona took a very long time to repeat it and maybe it won't even be possible to repeat it again, we see how Sevilla was championed decades ago but after that have never managed to do it again and what is sometimes even more unpleasant is that in the following season after winning, they have difficulty performing well and experience financial problems so that in the end they return to being a mediocre team.

We can see Girona track record very clearly, where in the 2022/23 season they entered La Liga as a promoted team and finished in the top 10, then this season they jumped to 2nd place in the standings. So I think Girona cannot be underestimated, coach Michel's abilities are very high. know very well how to utilize the players you have. Therefore, Barcelona and Real Madrid may still be able to beat Girona's match, but when facing other clubs they are actually able to use the match as an opportunity. Girona doesn't care about losing to Barcelona or Madrid because as long as he can still get points from other matches, it means the club is smart enough. It is important to remember that a promotion club that can be so significant and make so many changes will be very dangerous if taken lightly.

[bitLeap]

El Classico will be so interesting this weekend but Barcelona confirmed will play without some of their players and one of them is Lewandowski and this is home match for Barcelona and according to the head to head statistics i can see Barcelona under Xavi always had good results from Real Madrid but Madrid also has been experience to beat Barcelona at Camp Nou 4-0 last season on Copa Del Rey so this match will be so tight

But indeed from team conditions Real Madrid was more better than Barcelona because this weekend the players such as Bellingham, Vinicius or Rodrygo confirmed will be available and do not forget too they still have Joselu as supersub player who almost be scored goals everytimes he was play so in my opinion Real Madrid had good chances to win the match but Barcelona is slightly the favourite with odds @2.40 and Real Madrid @2.75

It's always difficult to predict who will win in a big match like this, especially since both teams are also in the same situation in my opinion, the only difference is that Barcelona have to lose some of their important players and cannot play in this match.

It's always impatient when that week comes. The chances of both teams to win this match also do not have a very far difference, and indeed usually the host has more advantages in this case. But as you said, Real Madrid also have the ability to win if the match is played at Barcelona's headquarters.

[klidex]

17 years old and made one winning goal. Yes, I am quite amazed by this young man. Marc Guiu came on and in the 33rd second he scored, this was his senior debut game. This goal also gave Barcelona a 1-0 win over Athletic Bilbao. Perhaps this is also the luck of the injured Robert Lewandowski and Frenkie de Jong. Marc Guiu took Xavi off his players and gave him minutes in place of Fermin Lopez. I don't think Xavi and Guiu are lucky, but this gives Guiu a lot of confidence.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67190337

Soon we are going to have Barcelona against Real Madrid and this game is very important for both teams because this time Real Madrid is in a better situation than Barcelona and they got expensive players like Jude Bellingham who is really talented and he even scored goals for this team instead of the forwards.
But the situation for Barcelona is not good at all and since Lewandowski is injured, Xavi asked the teams to make this player ready for this great match they are going to have against Real Madrid.



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We still do not know which player will return back to the list of players for the Champions league  match at home today for Barcelona and same for El Clasico  to be held during the week. Among this list absentee are players like Lewandowski, De Jong,  Raphina and Pedri.
Tonight doesn't look good for them to be back playing for hopes are now on the game against Real Madrid.
Xavi has said no excuses would be given when they play today and weekend during the press conferences. If Barcelona players won't return the players who Xavi used against Bilbao will not be bake to win Madrid.

Today Barcelona will compete with Shakhtar in the Champions League. If Barcelona can win the match, I think Xavi can still rely on his players to face Real Madrid.
but we don't know to what extent Barcelona is able to handle Real Madrid's playing style because what we know is that Real Madrid's condition is much better than Barcelona in terms of players, and Real Madrid players such as Vinicius jr, bellingham, Rodrygo currently in their best performance so I I think Barcelona will have a little difficulty without Lewandowski in the upcoming El Clasico match.

[tusandii]

I understand that age is catching up with him finally. But if he truly wants to still play for Real Madrid, I don't think we can say anything bad about that as well. Because if he actually wants to do that, I believe he has earned the right to say that as well. But if we actually look at his body and the amount of time he has given in his career, I think we can easily say that he should be looking towards some other league that is less competitive or he should be thinking about retiring. Just imagine him getting tackled badly by someone like Sergio Ramos. That can end pretty badly for him. I know that is probably not gonna happen, at least not by Sergio Ramos.

However, the Real Madrid coach also has to think about the future and the team's current performance, and now it has been proven that Ancelotti is no longer giving Modric regular time. The coach wants there to be regeneration in the team to continue to have quality players in the midfield, and Real Madrid already has it.
At the age of 38, it is appropriate for Modric to retire and if not, perhaps he should go to a non-competitive league such as the Saudi Arabian league or MLS.

Yes, but in my opinion you don't have to let go of Luka Modric because this player has been at Real Madrid for a very long time and he also certainly knows what history can give him a big opportunity to get a trophy in the Champions League even though young players are more efficient at turning their performance into a stronger one but Young players need senior players to appear stronger.
But if Ancelotti has to let go of this player and chooses to keep the young player, that would be the best decision because Ancelotti carries out a policy like this usually has a very good plan for the future.

[shinratensei_]

I understand that age is catching up with him finally. But if he truly wants to still play for Real Madrid, I don't think we can say anything bad about that as well. Because if he actually wants to do that, I believe he has earned the right to say that as well. But if we actually look at his body and the amount of time he has given in his career, I think we can easily say that he should be looking towards some other league that is less competitive or he should be thinking about retiring. Just imagine him getting tackled badly by someone like Sergio Ramos. That can end pretty badly for him. I know that is probably not gonna happen, at least not by Sergio Ramos.

However, the Real Madrid coach also has to think about the future and the team's current performance, and now it has been proven that Ancelotti is no longer giving Modric regular time. The coach wants there to be regeneration in the team to continue to have quality players in the midfield, and Real Madrid already has it.
At the age of 38, it is appropriate for Modric to retire and if not, perhaps he should go to a non-competitive league such as the Saudi Arabian league or MLS.

I hope he will give a chance for another player to fill his position. Ancellotti was also rarely putting him into the main squad. This is the fact. I have seen that many times modric was starting from the bench. It proves that if real madrid doesn't really need him again at this moment.
He was good but his age was everything in the football. How long he can still play for manchester united? 5 years or another 10 years? he was only able to play till he will be 40 years old which is very old.
Realmadrid needs to give a chance for the young player instead of extending grandpa's contract. Modric shall also try to consider to retire from the football after his contract with real madrid will end.
I hope that ancellotti will try to see this as a thing that needs to be concerned. Moadric is not as good as what he used to be. he shall accept it's not the time for him anymore to play in real madrid. The club needs a young talented player like bellingham.