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Question: 2023/2024 La Liga Champion will be
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November 04, 2023, 07:01:33 AM
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But looking at the situation and the actual placement of players when Madrid is looking for Benzema and a pure striker in the center as a foundation Osimhen is the most suitable player because we know that Mbappe's position even though he can be used as a striker in the middle but the main position is a winger with his running speed but it seems that Mbappe is still a priority even if Osimhen becomes a pure striker but Mbappe can be much more practical, its just that with Vini and Rodrygo, indirectly if Mbappe is in Madrid he will indirectly have a new role. 
Therefore, if Mbappe is more comfortable playing as a winger, it means that Vini or Rodrygo will occupy the midfield. However, if you have to choose, it would be better if Bellingham is placed in the middle as a striker, Mbappe on the left, and Vinicius on the right might not be too bad to maximize attacks. Because for me the composition is quite good even though I'm not sure whether Vinicius can be optimal on the right side. That way Madrid can return to using the 4-4-3 formation as expected.
Thats a bit tricky for me cause after all Vini and Rodrygo's positions are mine and we've seen Rodrygo moveto CF from his previous position and that didnt go well because his form dropped drastically so making changes for Vini and Rodrygo in the current position I dont think is a wise choice.

But inded the discussion is too wide now because seeing from what is happening now it is too far considering that Mbappe and Madrid are also still in the same stage (without any progress) as the previous few season where they are only linked to each other but there is no certainty so until there is an agreement between Mbappe and Madrid then we just need to wait now before making speculation and the formation that will be done later. 

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November 04, 2023, 07:02:50 AM
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I think those odds given to Atletico Madrid were already an important sign which shouldn't have been overlooked. Of course sometimes bookmakers give much higher odds to favourite teams but still the favourite sides win. But this doesn't always happen and this match was a great example for that.

Atletico Madrid just couldn't play as good as previously. They just let Las Palmas to find as many chances as them especially in the first half. Most people must have thought that Atletico Madrid would make a comeback in the second half anyway. But Ramirez's goal in the 75th minute was a big hit to them. Morata's goal wasn't enough to fire up the team to find the equalizer at least.

I just don't remember any Atletico Madrid player performing really good here.
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November 04, 2023, 07:13:22 AM
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Dissapointed at Atletico Madrid was expecting an easy away win from them. This is why they wont win the league at all. You need to make this games win against underdogs. They were losing 2-0 and scored barely the one goal to make the defeat heavier. They need to do much better next time.
Atletico Madrid remained 3rd on La Liga table after failing to win Las Palmas. Diego Simeone is really disappointed at this moment; no one expected such an unsettling setback. Atletico Madrid's performance against Las Palmas was unforeseen because the home team declined to waste any opportunities, instead pressing Los Colchoneros until they netted the first goal in the second half. The second half was also dominated by Las Palmas, and the players were serious throughout, playing as if their lives depended on this match. Francesco Javier Garca Pamienta's men delivered an outstanding performance.


Atletico Madrid's big opportunity to equal points with Girona and Real Madrid was wasted even though this was a very good opportunity that could also leave Barcelona in fourth place.
Strong teams like Atletico Madrid have to be careful when facing mid-table teams because they are always motivated to make a surprise because being able to get points from a difficult match will increase their enthusiasm to improve their position to be better in the standings.
Las Palmas has only lost once in 5 matches, so this provides even better motivation when facing the next match against Osasuna, but sometimes matches between mid-table teams can be more predictable with the host being the winner unless Las Palmas can continue to appear consistent.

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November 04, 2023, 07:26:33 AM
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If Kylian Mbappe should finally join Real Madrid, there's no way Vinicius Jnr will drop to the midfield line because he is used to that left wing flank so on many occasions, Mbappe will be played as the main striker while he's been flanked by Vinicius Jnr on the left and Rodrygo on the right. And Jude Bellingham will be playing behind the main striker. It'll be one of the most dangerous attacking lines in football if the France international finally joins Real Madrid.

I agree here, Vinicius Junior playing on the left wing is more or less set in stone and I think it would be a waste to let him play anywhere else whereas Mbappe is more flexible. I think Mbappe could pretty much play any position in the attacking line from left to center to right. Bellingham is strongest when he has a center position with a slight tendency backwards because that is when he can also enfold his impressive defensive qualities while also getting involved in the attacks all the time. He is essentially the first defender on the field for Real Madrid and that makes him so valuable. Everyone is counting the goals he scores, but there is so much more to Bellingham and this is why I think he can soon be the most valuable player in the world. If his scoring statistics stay like that, I have no clue how high his market value could go.
If so, perhaps it would be more ideal for Mbappe to go to Madrid first, because wherever his position is and whether it is Vini, Bellingham or Rodrygo, the coach can definitely manage it well. What I want to show is just speculation if I personally see Mbappe, Bellingham and Vinicius occupying the front line and building attacks. Because in my opinion, whatever it is, it will be a devastating attack for the opponent. Regarding its comfort, it can be considered relatively an experiment in professional football.

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November 04, 2023, 07:36:25 AM
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You said it too far, I mean Mbappe is not a Real Madrid player yet so let's just enjoy the game from Bellingham which has become a sticker this season. Don't have high hopes for Mbappe because He has disappointed Real Madrid management several times in recruiting him, so the biggest chance is that Real madrid will not recruit him in the next transfer market.
Indeed. Mbappe is still PSG player. However, we heard that Real Madrid already got a personal agreement from Mbappe. So, it makes sense if we assume Real Madrid has a big chance to sign Mbappe. But we don't know whether Mbappe comes to Real Madrid in the January transfer window or after the season ends. Well, I hope Mbappe won't refuse Real Madrid anymore.
Officially, Mbappe is still a PSC player and it is not officially confirmed that Mbappe has signed a personal contract with Real Madrid, but according to various reports, we can assume that Mbappe signed a verbal contract with Real Madrid this season. It is not within UEFA rules for a player to be signed to another club while he is still at one club without informing that club, so the verbal agreement between Real Madrid and Mbappe may have been completed in secret. If Mbappe officially joins Real Madrid next season, it will be one of the biggest transfers in the football transfer market. Every Real Madrid supporter and every Mbappé fan must be waiting for the completion of Mbappe's official contract with Real Madrid.

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November 04, 2023, 07:58:04 AM
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If so, perhaps it would be more ideal for Mbappe to go to Madrid first, because wherever his position is and whether it is Vini, Bellingham or Rodrygo, the coach can definitely manage it well. What I want to show is just speculation if I personally see Mbappe, Bellingham and Vinicius occupying the front line and building attacks. Because in my opinion, whatever it is, it will be a devastating attack for the opponent. Regarding its comfort, it can be considered relatively an experiment in professional football.

Yes, because Mbaape's position is the same as Vinicius, there is a fear that Mbaape's arrival will shift Vinicius' position. But I agree with you that the arrival of Mbaape will probably make the coach think how they can be optimal and play together.
I'm sure coaches have a lot of options to optimize them. So there is no need to worry, they will add to Madrid's strength. Especially now that Real Madrid won the game against Barcelona. That makes me optimistic Madrid are one step better for the La Liga champions. Although there are still many matches.

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November 04, 2023, 08:06:17 AM
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I think those odds given to Atletico Madrid were already an important sign which shouldn't have been overlooked. Of course sometimes bookmakers give much higher odds to favourite teams but still the favourite sides win. But this doesn't always happen and this match was a great example for that.

Atletico Madrid just couldn't play as good as previously. They just let Las Palmas to find as many chances as them especially in the first half. Most people must have thought that Atletico Madrid would make a comeback in the second half anyway. But Ramirez's goal in the 75th minute was a big hit to them. Morata's goal wasn't enough to fire up the team to find the equalizer at least.

I just don't remember any Atletico Madrid player performing really good here.
If they constantly continue to play the way they played yesterday,then I must say that they won't be able to make the top four this seasons despite being in a very good form so far.It was an important match for them to prove that they are upto something this season,but they let Las Palmas win them.It is a bad result,but they have to accept it the way it is.They need to continue working hard
and make sure they win their next match if they are to be taken seriously,because it will be bad that after seeing them play this well for some months,they would just slide and lose form.Nevertheless,I will be looking forward to seeing Barca in action today,whether they will be able to bounce back from the defeat they had last weekend.

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I can't think of a good reason why Mbappe should fear any competition for individual awards. Whether it is against Bellingham or Haaland or Vinicius Junior, why should Mbappe hide? It is quite the contrary as going to Real Madrid would significantly raise his chances to finally win an individual award. it doesn't matter at which club he would be playing, being against Bellingham and Haaland will forever be a matter of fact and if he plays for a club that can't win the Champions League while Haaland and Bellingham do win the Champions League, I think he won't have a chance to win individual awards like the Ballon Ballon d’Or ever. This is why I consider it more of a necessity to go to Real Madrid more than anything else if his goal is to advance his legacy as a player also on the club level.
I share your opinion. Mbappe should seriously consider a move to Real Madrid, where he could have a better chance of winning major titles. Let's put aside the discussion about this year's Golden Ball, which Messi rightly deserves. However, if Mbappe had been representing Real Madrid instead of PSG, it might have made the Golden Ball race more exciting. Looking forward, I believe that Bellingham and Haaland will emerge as strong contenders for the Golden Ball alongside Mbappe.

Interesting that finally I read someone supporting the award for Messi because I agree. I don't mean that Haaland didn't deserve it or Mbappe, but this award was about more than just one year of Messi playing football. I think this 8th award was more like the crown for the other 7 awards. I accept that there can be discussions about whether that is right or not. And I also think that it is and will forever be difficult to be fair with these awards because a play like Haaland or Salah or many others have the disadvantage that they play for Norway or Egypt or some other nation that has almost no chance to ever win a World Cup. There is an imbalance in chances, but how can that be solved?

Haaland is due as an award winner and I agree with you that Bellingham will show up on the shortlist very soon. Regarding Mbappe, I hope for several reasons that he goes to Real Madrid or anther big club in either Spain or England because that's where he belongs and where we can more often admire his amazing talent.

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November 04, 2023, 08:34:48 AM
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All through the game Las Palmas performance great, even from the beginning they dominated the game more against Atlético Madrid, I really dread their performance and I'm not surprised the game ended with a nice score for Las Palmas because they worked for it. I don't expect Atlético Madrid to struggle will Las Palmas because I think Atletico Madrid is a good performing team which they have Been able to achieve a better position in laliga this season. Las Palmas had a good advantage against Atlético Madrid because it was a game played in their home.
The first win in 36 years for Las Palmas against Atletico Madrid. The two goals from Palmas were well played although they only shoot 9 times on the goal. Moratas goal in minute 83 was too late. In minute 90 Morata can scored the 2:2, a shot against the crossbar. So a few centimeters were missing and it would have been 1 point. It would have been possible to go on first place in the league with a win. Perhaps there will be a new leader today if Girona win against Osasuna.

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November 04, 2023, 08:36:47 AM
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@Velvet78, do you still remember our discussion about the odds in the Las Palmas - Atletico Madrid match?


Look at the results of the match now, in line with my expectations, there is something strange there, Atletico Madrid shouldn't get high odds otherwise something unexpected will happen. Even in this match, Las Palmas almost got a clean sheet if Morata didn't score at the end of the second half. I hope that people following our discussion yesterday follow my guidance not to bet on this match.
I understand that the unexpected odds and outcomes of the Atletico Madrid vs. Las Palmas match are concerning you. In light of Atletico Madrid's performance, it appears that your forecast is valid. As I saw, Atletico Madrid was just about spared humiliation by Alvaro Morata's equalizing goal, which brought his season total to seven. Throughout the game, his excellent understanding of timing and placement stood out.

Moreover, there is no denying Atletico Madrid's lack of consistency this year. I completely concur that you made a good recommendation to avoid placing a wager on this game, and I hope that other fans gave your advice careful thought.

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November 04, 2023, 09:01:16 AM
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Dissapointed at Atletico Madrid was expecting an easy away win from them. This is why they wont win the league at all. You need to make this games win against underdogs. They were losing 2-0 and scored barely the one goal to make the defeat heavier. They need to do much better next time.
Atletico Madrid remained 3rd on La Liga table after failing to win Las Palmas. Diego Simeone is really disappointed at this moment; no one expected such an unsettling setback. Atletico Madrid's performance against Las Palmas was unforeseen because the home team declined to waste any opportunities, instead pressing Los Colchoneros until they netted the first goal in the second half. The second half was also dominated by Las Palmas, and the players were serious throughout, playing as if their lives depended on this match. Francesco Javier Garca Pamienta's men delivered an outstanding performance.


Las Palmas proved to be too tough a nut for Simeone's team, although before the match Atletico Madrid was the favorite and before the match with Las Palmas Simeone's team had 10 matches without defeat. The betting odds for Atletico to continue their unbeaten streak were 1.66, which means the bookmakers also believed in Atletico Madrid.

Las Palmas did not deserve to lose the game, the team played well and in terms of ball possession and shots on goal the teams were equal. Griezmann tried his best, Morata too, but at the end there was bad luck when Morata hit the bar instead of an empty net and if Morata had hit the goal Atletico Madrid would have equalized the score.
Las Palmas are in 9th place and apparently the team will try to get in the Europa League zone, while the chances are there.

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November 04, 2023, 09:02:13 AM
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Shocking result for Atletico. They missed the chance to become the leader. They are also heading to a hard fixture. They'll play with Villarreal, Mallorca and Barcelona. More point losses is possible.

It's just a common thing from atletico when this club was showing horrible performances against the weak team. La palmas was helping real madrid and girona in leaving atletico and barcelona behind. Im very happy to see this shocking result from atletico madrid.
That makes the competition between atletico and barcelona would be even real. Real madrid needs to keep the good performances to make sure la liga will be on its hand this season.

It's a shocking result for most of bettors coz i guess those were picking atletico madrid to win the game against palmas. Palmas is not that weak and the club is still able to survive in the middle tab of la liga till this time. People will not underestimate palmas again till the end of the season.

The data was lying this time. Atletico madrid got beaten by palmas with narrow margins. It's hard to accept this but this is football.

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November 04, 2023, 09:05:53 AM
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Las Palmas managed to get an important win in the first match of the week, beating Atletico Madrid 2-1. After a bad start to the league, the hosts have recovered with wins in recent weeks and are already targeting the top of the league. After going winless in the first five weeks, the hosts have managed to win five times in the last seven weeks to increase their points tally to 17. I honestly didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose in this match, but the hosts managed to defeat their opponents with the right play, even if it wasn't Las Palmas.

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Las Palmas managed to get an important win in the first match of the week, beating Atletico Madrid 2-1. After a bad start to the league, the hosts have recovered with wins in recent weeks and are already targeting the top of the league. After going winless in the first five weeks, the hosts have managed to win five times in the last seven weeks to increase their points tally to 17. I honestly didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose in this match, but the hosts managed to defeat their opponents with the right play, even if it wasn't Las Palmas.

Atlético interrupted their unbeaten streak and missed the opportunity to match points with Real Madrid. Well, this is a familiar situation for Atlético, when they come to the point where they have the opportunity to top the table, some kind of failure occurs. Las Palmas are not the strongest team, although they play very well at home. In any case, despite the loss, Atletico maintained a 3-point gap over Real.

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November 04, 2023, 09:37:38 AM
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Las Palmas managed to get an important win in the first match of the week, beating Atletico Madrid 2-1. After a bad start to the league, the hosts have recovered with wins in recent weeks and are already targeting the top of the league. After going winless in the first five weeks, the hosts have managed to win five times in the last seven weeks to increase their points tally to 17. I honestly didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose in this match, but the hosts managed to defeat their opponents with the right play, even if it wasn't Las Palmas.

Atlético interrupted their unbeaten streak and missed the opportunity to match points with Real Madrid. Well, this is a familiar situation for Atlético, when they come to the point where they have the opportunity to top the table, some kind of failure occurs. Las Palmas are not the strongest team, although they play very well at home. In any case, despite the loss, Atletico maintained a 3-point gap over Real.
Atletico Madrid, who were undefeated after the Valencia game, are now, as you said, behind Real Madrid on points with this defeat. I think it's a lesson to be learned for Simone and the students and I hope that this defeat doesn't affect them too much, otherwise they could continue to get bad results in a league they are doing well in and move away from the title race. The hosts didn't play very well against their opponent but they made the right moves and the right attacks to score the goals and win. Sometimes you don't need to play very well to win a match and when you have a shot, the one who scores wins.

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November 04, 2023, 09:57:00 AM
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Las Palmas managed to get an important win in the first match of the week, beating Atletico Madrid 2-1. After a bad start to the league, the hosts have recovered with wins in recent weeks and are already targeting the top of the league. After going winless in the first five weeks, the hosts have managed to win five times in the last seven weeks to increase their points tally to 17. I honestly didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose in this match, but the hosts managed to defeat their opponents with the right play, even if it wasn't Las Palmas.

Atlético interrupted their unbeaten streak and missed the opportunity to match points with Real Madrid. Well, this is a familiar situation for Atlético, when they come to the point where they have the opportunity to top the table, some kind of failure occurs. Las Palmas are not the strongest team, although they play very well at home. In any case, despite the loss, Atletico maintained a 3-point gap over Real.
Who would have thought that the team that was so favored and should have won so decisively actually lost and that was a result that was difficult for Atletico fans to accept. Diego Simione's squad failed to maintain their positive trend so far and this narrow defeat against Las Palmas meant they failed to steal full points. Even though previously Atletico had an advantage with fewer matches than other teams, when they needed these points and were one step closer to their city rivals, they found it difficult to win the match. Maybe for Atletico they have failed to take advantage of this opportunity and for Real Madrid they are certainly grateful to Las Palmas for succeeding in stopping Atletico. Grin

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November 04, 2023, 10:06:00 AM
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Las Palmas managed to get an important win in the first match of the week, beating Atletico Madrid 2-1. After a bad start to the league, the hosts have recovered with wins in recent weeks and are already targeting the top of the league. After going winless in the first five weeks, the hosts have managed to win five times in the last seven weeks to increase their points tally to 17. I honestly didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose in this match, but the hosts managed to defeat their opponents with the right play, even if it wasn't Las Palmas.

Atlético interrupted their unbeaten streak and missed the opportunity to match points with Real Madrid. Well, this is a familiar situation for Atlético, when they come to the point where they have the opportunity to top the table, some kind of failure occurs. Las Palmas are not the strongest team, although they play very well at home. In any case, despite the loss, Atletico maintained a 3-point gap over Real.
Atletico Madrid, who were undefeated after the Valencia game, are now, as you said, behind Real Madrid on points with this defeat. I think it's a lesson to be learned for Simone and the students and I hope that this defeat doesn't affect them too much, otherwise they could continue to get bad results in a league they are doing well in and move away from the title race. The hosts didn't play very well against their opponent but they made the right moves and the right attacks to score the goals and win. Sometimes you don't need to play very well to win a match and when you have a shot, the one who scores wins.
The result of Las Palmas game yesterday against Atletico Madrid was very surprising to a lot of people and I know with that result, a lot of people just have lost their money because majority of gamblers who placed bet on that game will go for an Atletico Madrid win.
Atletico who is the only Spanish La Liga club to have beaten league leaders Real Madrid this season were backed by bookmakers to win the game but Las Palmas played the game like a team who really needed all three points and were rewarded for their hard work. Atletico who are currently three points behind league leaders I think are still very much in contention for the league title.

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November 04, 2023, 10:17:56 AM
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Las Palmas managed to get an important win in the first match of the week, beating Atletico Madrid 2-1. After a bad start to the league, the hosts have recovered with wins in recent weeks and are already targeting the top of the league. After going winless in the first five weeks, the hosts have managed to win five times in the last seven weeks to increase their points tally to 17. I honestly didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose in this match, but the hosts managed to defeat their opponents with the right play, even if it wasn't Las Palmas.

Atlético interrupted their unbeaten streak and missed the opportunity to match points with Real Madrid. Well, this is a familiar situation for Atlético, when they come to the point where they have the opportunity to top the table, some kind of failure occurs. Las Palmas are not the strongest team, although they play very well at home. In any case, despite the loss, Atletico maintained a 3-point gap over Real.
I'm a little surprised by this result, because Atletico Madrid are in good shape and now they have to accept defeat from opponents who are not really strong. Their winning streak was stopped by Las Palmas this week. Not only that, I think Las Palmas deserved this victory with their good game. Atletico Madrid also played a good game, but when they got the chance they were deadlocked, and in the end they had to fall behind 2 goals from the host. Alvaro Morata who could create a goal in the 83rd minute could not save Atletico Madrid from defeat in this match.

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November 04, 2023, 10:24:24 AM
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Las Palmas managed to get an important win in the first match of the week, beating Atletico Madrid 2-1. After a bad start to the league, the hosts have recovered with wins in recent weeks and are already targeting the top of the league. After going winless in the first five weeks, the hosts have managed to win five times in the last seven weeks to increase their points tally to 17. I honestly didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose in this match, but the hosts managed to defeat their opponents with the right play, even if it wasn't Las Palmas.

Atlético interrupted their unbeaten streak and missed the opportunity to match points with Real Madrid. Well, this is a familiar situation for Atlético, when they come to the point where they have the opportunity to top the table, some kind of failure occurs. Las Palmas are not the strongest team, although they play very well at home. In any case, despite the loss, Atletico maintained a 3-point gap over Real.
Previously I thought they could secure 3 points so they would sit at the top of the standings for a while. In fact, I felt they could achieve victory in an easy way and it turns out I was wrong. Atletico position will not be out of the top four of the standings, but if barcelona wins over sociedad then xavi squad will be in third place. Meanwhile semione squad will go down one level. So far atletico have recorded two defeats and one draw, their first defeat was against valencia and the most recent was against las palmas. Simeone must be able to win when the match is postponed against sevilla to catch up on points from madrid and girona.

It was difficult to accept this surprise as they were two goals down at first, before Moratta reduced the deficit as the game drew to a close. Next atletico will face celtic in the UCL, I think they should avoid a shock defeat reoccur.

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November 04, 2023, 10:44:13 AM
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Las Palmas managed to get an important win in the first match of the week, beating Atletico Madrid 2-1. After a bad start to the league, the hosts have recovered with wins in recent weeks and are already targeting the top of the league. After going winless in the first five weeks, the hosts have managed to win five times in the last seven weeks to increase their points tally to 17. I honestly didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose in this match, but the hosts managed to defeat their opponents with the right play, even if it wasn't Las Palmas.

Atlético interrupted their unbeaten streak and missed the opportunity to match points with Real Madrid. Well, this is a familiar situation for Atlético, when they come to the point where they have the opportunity to top the table, some kind of failure occurs. Las Palmas are not the strongest team, although they play very well at home. In any case, despite the loss, Atletico maintained a 3-point gap over Real.
Atletico Madrid, who were undefeated after the Valencia game, are now, as you said, behind Real Madrid on points with this defeat. I think it's a lesson to be learned for Simone and the students and I hope that this defeat doesn't affect them too much, otherwise they could continue to get bad results in a league they are doing well in and move away from the title race. The hosts didn't play very well against their opponent but they made the right moves and the right attacks to score the goals and win. Sometimes you don't need to play very well to win a match and when you have a shot, the one who scores wins.
The result of Las Palmas game yesterday against Atletico Madrid was very surprising to a lot of people and I know with that result, a lot of people just have lost their money because majority of gamblers who placed bet on that game will go for an Atletico Madrid win.
Atletico who is the only Spanish La Liga club to have beaten league leaders Real Madrid this season were backed by bookmakers to win the game but Las Palmas played the game like a team who really needed all three points and were rewarded for their hard work. Atletico who are currently three points behind league leaders I think are still very much in contention for the league title.
I thought that Atletico Madrid would at least not lose, but of course it didn't happen as expected. This was probably the result that surprised everyone and it was a disappointing match for the gamblers. Atletico's results in the last few weeks and the rise of Las Palmas made me think that we might see a goal each in this match and we did. Las Palmas turned the tables and won the game and with this win they may have started a run of form for themselves. Their performance against Real Madrid was very good and as the only team to beat Real Madrid, I would have thought that if they had won this game they could have been in the title race with Real Madrid until the last week.

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