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For me, dirty money is still money. No matter what they think as long as I am doing nothing wrong and I received that money as a donation, I would accept that since in the first place, I don't of that is dirty money or not, all I know is I am grateful to that person helping me.
but what if you are aware that the your friend is a thief and he stole that money to someone else and he gave you some of it . will you still accept it ? if that scenario happens to me i think i will think twice . That’s the fact mate and you got it there,if the money came from a bad or not so good ways that’s considered as bad money and if you accept that with your knowledge(or even without yours)still immoral and not acceptable because it looks like justifying bad things to good(like Robin Hood stealing to feed others) but i your friend is a good friend and he earns his money thru his own hardwork but he gambles it and if he won and gave you some , that will be more acceptable and its not what we call a dirty money .
Exactly that is a good money ,not unless your religion is against gambling or your government it will be turn as Sin money still
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September 12, 2019, 08:53:22 PM |
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For me, dirty money is still money. No matter what they think as long as I am doing nothing wrong and I received that money as a donation, I would accept that since in the first place, I don't of that is dirty money or not, all I know is I am grateful to that person helping me.
but what if you are aware that the your friend is a thief and he stole that money to someone else and he gave you some of it . will you still accept it ? if that scenario happens to me i think i will think twice . but i your friend is a good friend and he earns his money thru his own hardwork but he gambles it and if he won and gave you some , that will be more acceptable and its not what we call a dirty money . To be honest no one would refuse money at any cost but all of them are going to accept it. I am one of those gamblers who use to gamble with small amount but want to increase it still o don’t see anything bad in it I work hard to gain it I spend my time and work in casino for hours then how it can be dirty for me. No one has the right on what you gonna do with your money as long those money are being won legally then I don't see for it to be dirty. Unless if you do cheat up someone or the house then that's considered illegal or dirty. On religious aspect there are religion who do make gambling as a prohibited one and once you engage with that and the money being earned then its considered not clean at all.
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September 12, 2019, 08:55:39 PM |
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To define 'dirty money' is money obtained unlawfully or immorally. When I think of 'dirty money' I am thinking about money obtained by doing something illegal or harming a person maybe even drugs Since gambling is legal where I am from I can not consider it dirty Like your examples I know of people who feed his family from playing cards- how is this dirty money if he does nothing wrong
Dirty money can be classified indirectly and as mentioned it do pertains with religion.It might not be a serious matter on most religion but other do consider this as a sin so therefore any money that being generated or earned by means of gambling will be considered dirty We have seen that there are people who do make a living with gambling and i agree on what you said that money that havent been obtained by means of illegal aspect cant be considered dirty. it is more of personal perception when you identify gambling as dirty money. and what the op described is directly related to religion. we cant blame others whose religion has strict standpoint when it comes to gambling but they should not pick out other gamblers and labeled them as sinners! we only need respect in this space. Whatever you believed in, stick to it if you can but dont let others suffer from your beliefs. we are already in the age where we should be open to things that are outside of your boundaries. the world doesnt revolve in one religion only!
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September 12, 2019, 11:54:57 PM |
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You might see gambling money as a dirty money but in my own case I don't see it that way because I see playing gambling as a trading which one can make profit or make loses at the end of the end your play. But if that is the way you see it based on what your mother told you then don't bother to participate in gambling.
I think It depends on the understanding of those people. Well on my own point of view it is not dirty money as long as you are fair on your opponent. I can call it clean money and I earned it in a fair game. The only dirty money is those come from who those committing crimes just to make money and also those come from dark web I guess. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) In gambling, I don't think so.
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September 12, 2019, 11:58:08 PM |
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You might see gambling money as a dirty money but in my own case I don't see it that way because I see playing gambling as a trading which one can make profit or make loses at the end of the end your play. But if that is the way you see it based on what your mother told you then don't bother to participate in gambling.
Well, it has to understand that people are different from each other and also their appreciations towards gambling. Not to condemn them just because they keep saying gambling is bad unless it has come from illegalities. Though we think gambling is full of trick but not actually it makes them illegal. Well, it sometimes to ignore them...we play in fair and there is no reason we think it bad.
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September 13, 2019, 12:25:33 AM |
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I don't see it as something which is old fashioned as the religion (Christian and Muslim) is concern, gambling fund are dirty money but in a society where the economic is break down and alot of people are jobless. People consider gambling or working at a gambling company as a means of surviving which the reason why a lot of young folks are into sport gambling these days but its still better than stealing.
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September 13, 2019, 01:28:07 AM |
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This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.
My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). [1]
Those church members would not even know that every people that donate huge money to them can verify it's not made illegally. In my country, our priests are always thankful when politicians donate huge money to them knowing that politicians get a lot of dirty money. So why would we even be concern to be honest? Yes, gambling is dirty money because most gamblers there does not use hard earned money when they bet.
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September 13, 2019, 03:07:04 AM |
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Gambling money becomes dirty money if it was from illegal act in which it's not tolerable by law. It's difficult to regulate since a gambling sites can operate without the approval of the government. Personally as a gambler, I don't mind on it too much since I'm playing fairly through crypto gambling site. It's better to be anonymous in while gambling so if there will be such leak, your identity won't be revealed.
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September 13, 2019, 03:47:45 AM |
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You shouldn't be promoting it then.
There is nothing wrong in playing national lottery for example or betting with friends on who will win a game. I think gambling becomes wrong when you do it excessively. Doesn't competition sound like gambling to you? I mean, we create businesses to win in market competition. Only few most prepared (out of millions businesses) end up out competing others in the competition. I guess this type of competition qualifies as skill-based gambling. Life is a gamble. We gamble all the time whether we agree or not.
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September 13, 2019, 06:10:08 AM |
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This kind of topic is like they said about Bitcoin, "Criminals are using Bitcoin to commit illegal doings" then other said "How about fiat then? The US Dollar?"
Then if we will compare it with gambling, this is really what it meant. Where the money came from before using it to gambling? Is it came from illegal doings? Because if YES, then I can say that it will become a dirty money. Not on the act of doing gambling as long as you gamble your money in legal and legit ways.
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To define 'dirty money' is money obtained unlawfully or immorally. When I think of 'dirty money' I am thinking about money obtained by doing something illegal or harming a person maybe even drugs Since gambling is legal where I am from I can not consider it dirty Like your examples I know of people who feed his family from playing cards- how is this dirty money if he does nothing wrong
But OP also mentioned Islam in which I think he’s Religion and since it was forbidden from Muslim then it become Dirty money.no matter how good we deal with gambling yet it will be a Negative as not allowed by their religion and that’s the sad reality Also there are countries that treat gambling as illegal activities so this also applied to the people live in those countries Yeah we respect those religious rules, but all the choices go back to everyone wants to follow it or not. I myself assume that dirty money is money generated from crimes such as theft, robbery, cheating, scamming and others thing that harm others people. Yeah I understand you point mate but religion has their own rules and breaking it means crime(not literally)to them because that’s go against the will of the followers But anyway in the end everyone will still have a conflict answering this matter because we have different views and stand about matters and added is our religious and non religious belief that will always hinder us from understanding
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September 13, 2019, 06:36:27 AM |
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If you are an ultra-religious person or works in religious organizations, you will definitely not accept donations of any kinds coming from gambling it's a big no-no to you and the organization that you represents.
But if you are an average person and a liberal one you will not treat gambling money as dirty money, as long as that money can help you and your family, it's how you look at it and it's on your belief.
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TalkStar
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September 13, 2019, 06:45:08 AM |
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My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). [1]
Searching answer based on religious view wouldn't be a wise approach for us. Not only gambling is forbidden in Islam but also there is much more earning related things are forbidden too. AFAIK using or producing alcohol is also forbidden in Islam. So as a trader if you buy alcohol supplier company's share for trading then obviously that's gonna be forbidden in another view. So if we go with this jurisdiction than we will have to say that trading is also forbidden but most of the Islamic countries have their own stock exchange. In my view investment strategy totally depends on investors own where few of us careful about risk factor and few of us are ready to take the high risk with gambling. I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.
Its completely his own thinking about gambling where you will easily find many people who are enough positive about gambling related earning.
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September 13, 2019, 06:56:13 AM |
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But OP also mentioned Islam in which I think he’s Religion and since it was forbidden from Muslim then it become Dirty money.no matter how good we deal with gambling yet it will be a Negative as not allowed by their religion and that’s the sad reality Also there are countries that treat gambling as illegal activities so this also applied to the people live in those countries
It is about intent I always say as I understand and learn. And yes, strictly speaking this means as long as the income is from gambling even in a small way, then it is not possible for them to use it in a clean way. But still it’s from gambling and no matter how they want to use it cleanly yet it came from prohibiting of their religious beliefs But this is all personal matter to me, the state should not meddle when the state gambles with the economy all the time!
Well for Op it’s not personal because it’s religious,and what are good for gamblers are bad from the religion because it’s written in their Koran as guess it is since I am not a Muslim but have a friends who’s gives me idea about the prohibition of this activities to them
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September 13, 2019, 07:20:37 AM |
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Gambling exists since humans started their societies all over the globe, and in spite of how we might paint gambling with all the preconceptions and modern trends, it is just a game... can we consider this money as dirty money? what about anyone that wins the lottery, or plays scratch and win someting? I think this becoming just an anti-gambling religion... (of course tht gambling has it's dark side, but everything that is done out of balance has a dark side, food, lazyness, even too much exercise can become additions)
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Findingnemo
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September 13, 2019, 07:31:48 AM |
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Governments created fiat money,governments allowed gambling sites,people lose or win from gambling that is simple structure of gambling.
So money coming from any source created by the same one so its not a dirty money though.
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September 13, 2019, 08:10:50 AM |
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To define 'dirty money' is money obtained unlawfully or immorally. When I think of 'dirty money' I am thinking about money obtained by doing something illegal or harming a person maybe even drugs Since gambling is legal where I am from I can not consider it dirty Like your examples I know of people who feed his family from playing cards- how is this dirty money if he does nothing wrong
But OP also mentioned Islam in which I think he’s Religion and since it was forbidden from Muslim then it become Dirty money.no matter how good we deal with gambling yet it will be a Negative as not allowed by their religion and that’s the sad reality Also there are countries that treat gambling as illegal activities so this also applied to the people live in those countries It’s not about what religion think about gambling but what we think. In my religion, gambling is a taboo an anyone found gambling is deal with accordingly but I thank God for crypto gambling that helps us play anonymously without the awareness of anyone. I asked my parents the reason gambling is highly detested among many people and religion and the reason she gave did not make any sense to me, this is probably the reason I concluded within me never to adhere to their opinion, but to follow my mind. Gambling to me, isn’t a bad idea and the money earned is very clean because I worked for it. So what people, religion or society believes is not as important as what we particularly believe.
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September 13, 2019, 08:15:25 AM |
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If you think that way, then there is much more "dirty money" on the streets.... Btw. lottery is the same, but why is lottery more accepted in our society then gambling ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) This is something i don't understand at all ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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September 13, 2019, 09:08:34 AM |
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If you are an ultra-religious person or works in religious organizations, you will definitely not accept donations of any kinds coming from gambling it's a big no-no to you and the organization that you represents.
But if you are an average person and a liberal one you will not treat gambling money as dirty money, as long as that money can help you and your family, it's how you look at it and it's on your belief.
Gambling issue is not necessarily a religious debate. Gambling addiction can affect any society. So both secular and religious views should be welcomed in debate like this. Who knows, you could find good ideas from all contributions. I'm not against gambling. I don't see the need to be against it if people are taught to gambling in moderation
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XCANA
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September 13, 2019, 09:14:49 AM |
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Going by the ethical ways or in lime light of religious belief, it is very wrong for anyone to get their self involve into gambling because its forbidden in the holy books. Christianity and Islam vehemently worn their worshippers against gambling but, many have took to the same way to make their money even though it is forbidden. Basically, any money earned from gambling is actually dirty money and should not be use to donate to the religious house.
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