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[TheNineClub]

MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

[TopTort777]

Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.
If you didn't watch the fight, there is CBS highlights and recap for this fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxgLs2CdBk4

Lima should not be happy for himself. He can only blame himself. If a fighter fight at opponents homeland, he should be more persuasively in the fight. Like the commentators says "Page dropped Lima twice in the first round" - that was enough for judges.

Even the score card show that. Page won first round thank to those two knockdowns. And second round due to fighters being passive, but Page fought "at home".

[minairia3]

MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

If you lengthen the fight so much that the judges have to make a decision, a biased decision is to be expected with a hometown player in the ring. What Lima should have done is play more aggressively. He played a bit passive and that cost him the match. I also feel like that is a kind of biased decision. MMA Judges should be I guess trained more or maybe necessary steps should be taken so that the judge calls are more accurate and unbiased.

[Maidak]

Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.
If you didn't watch the fight, there is CBS highlights and recap for this fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxgLs2CdBk4

Lima should not be happy for himself. He can only blame himself. If a fighter fight at opponents homeland, he should be more persuasively in the fight. Like the commentators says "Page dropped Lima twice in the first round" - that was enough for judges.
Even the score card show that. Page won first round thank to those two knockdowns. And second round due to fighters being passive, but Page fought "at home".

I guess the judging systems should be changed or maybe fine-tuned. Because in my eyes, I would have given Lima the win. He started the fight so good but only ended up taking the loss. But I think Lima should have been a bit more aggressive. Because we have seen this earlier a bit biased decisions. So it's always better to try to finish off the fight as early as possible against a home fighter which was not the case for Lima. Whatever, congrats to Page for winning the match.

[TheNineClub]

MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

If you lengthen the fight so much that the judges have to make a decision, a biased decision is to be expected with a hometown player in the ring. What Lima should have done is play more aggressively. He played a bit passive and that cost him the match. I also feel like that is a kind of biased decision. MMA Judges should be I guess trained more or maybe necessary steps should be taken so that the judge calls are more accurate and unbiased.

I'm not really sure that things can be changed. At the end of the day, it's still a human call and how many rules you enforce, inexperience, bias, and susceptibility can come into play. So, unfortunately, it is up to the fighters to take more risks and capitalize on them if possible. However, it also takes two to tango

[tokeweed]

MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

If you lengthen the fight so much that the judges have to make a decision, a biased decision is to be expected with a hometown player in the ring. What Lima should have done is play more aggressively. He played a bit passive and that cost him the match. I also feel like that is a kind of biased decision. MMA Judges should be I guess trained more or maybe necessary steps should be taken so that the judge calls are more accurate and unbiased.

A take down at R2 would’ve done the trick imho.  And I scored the match for Lima as is.  But you know..  The judges prolly wanted to get out of there in one piece.  Lolol.

[minairia3]

Brian Kelleher will fight Saidyokub next year on January 15. He had a good run of 3-1 in 2020 and went 1-1 in this year. The match against Saidyokub will be his 36th professional appearance. Saidyokub is also a good fighter, he won straight 3 games and lost one and won one respectively making him winning 4 out of his 5 matches. Pretty excited for this match.

[notblox1]

Dana White's Contender Series Week 6 is starting tomorrow, with five new fights and few new potential UFC fighters.
Josh Weems jumped in as last moment replacement but he missed his weight, and It might be a good idea to bet on Fernie Garcia if odds are right.
I always prefer watch HW and LHW category and this time we have Shonte Barnes vs Joseph Holmes, this could be interesting fight.

[TheNineClub]

Dana White's Contender Series Week 6 is starting tomorrow, with five new fights and few new potential UFC fighters.
Josh Weems jumped in as last moment replacement but he missed his weight, and It might be a good idea to bet on Fernie Garcia if odds are right.
I always prefer watch HW and LHW category and this time we have Shonte Barnes vs Joseph Holmes, this could be interesting fight.

I really don't follow DWCS so this is an honest question, but what are the numbers regarding ratings and how is the fan reception to it? Just based on my short time viewing it I really don't find it entertaining or that interesting. When Dana White Looking For A Fight was first out I thought that it had a cool concept that grasped the viewer's attention and had some entertaining value. However, DWCS is just flat and not much more than a televised local promotion. But that's just my 2 cents.

[notblox1]

I really don't follow DWCS so this is an honest question, but what are the numbers regarding ratings and how is the fan reception to it? Just based on my short time viewing it I really don't find it entertaining or that interesting. When Dana White Looking For A Fight was first out I thought that it had a cool concept that grasped the viewer's attention and had some entertaining value. However, DWCS is just flat and not much more than a televised local promotion. But that's just my 2 cents.

You are wrong, and good thing you are not any factor for this, you should just look how many DWCS fighters signed for UFC in past few months, that shows how Contender Series became main source for new signings.
It's much easier for Dana to organize something in his own arena and fighters came from all over the world to him, then make some blind signings.

[TheNineClub]

I really don't follow DWCS so this is an honest question, but what are the numbers regarding ratings and how is the fan reception to it? Just based on my short time viewing it I really don't find it entertaining or that interesting. When Dana White Looking For A Fight was first out I thought that it had a cool concept that grasped the viewer's attention and had some entertaining value. However, DWCS is just flat and not much more than a televised local promotion. But that's just my 2 cents.

You are wrong, and good thing you are not any factor for this, you should just look how many DWCS fighters signed for UFC in past few months, that shows how Contender Series became main source for new signings.
It's much easier for Dana to organize something in his own arena and fighters came from all over the world to him, then make some blind signings.

What am I missing here? Isn't the main idea of DWCS to get those fighters signed to the promotion Why would I be surprised if the sole thing the show was created for is doing just that? Of course, they are signing fighters. What I am questioning is the entertainment value of the show, not its legitimacy of fighters and potential UFC newcomers. As for entertainment, it falls flat. Sure, you could argue that some of the fights themselves are entertaining, but you could also then argue that watching any UFC fight card from start to finish or any other organization could be considered entertainment and, besides of a couple of honorable mentions, I do not.

[notblox1]

Then you should go in octagon and try to fight with one of those fighters tosee how much entertaining fighting is, but you probably got in the fight last time back in the school  
This is not circus show with McGregor and other freaks breaking buses just to sell payperview, its simply fightning and I saw many spectacular fighters that came from DWCS, but you don't know that because you don't follow it.
One of them is Marina Rodriguez who is fightinh in main UFC event in few days.

[tokeweed]

I really don't follow DWCS so this is an honest question, but what are the numbers regarding ratings and how is the fan reception to it? Just based on my short time viewing it I really don't find it entertaining or that interesting. When Dana White Looking For A Fight was first out I thought that it had a cool concept that grasped the viewer's attention and had some entertaining value. However, DWCS is just flat and not much more than a televised local promotion. But that's just my 2 cents.

You are wrong, and good thing you are not any factor for this, you should just look how many DWCS fighters signed for UFC in past few months, that shows how Contender Series became main source for new signings.
It's much easier for Dana to organize something in his own arena and fighters came from all over the world to him, then make some blind signings.

What am I missing here? Isn't the main idea of DWCS to get those fighters signed to the promotion Why would I be surprised if the sole thing the show was created for is doing just that? Of course, they are signing fighters. What I am questioning is the entertainment value of the show, not its legitimacy of fighters and potential UFC newcomers. As for entertainment, it falls flat. Sure, you could argue that some of the fights themselves are entertaining, but you could also then argue that watching any UFC fight card from start to finish or any other organization could be considered entertainment and, besides of a couple of honorable mentions, I do not.

Haven’t been watching the last couple DCWS events but the guys who fight in it fight for something more important than money or fame...  They fight for their careers and climbing that ladder for the betterment of their lives and the lives of their families.  I’m pretty sure everybody gets it and would appreciate it from that perspective.

And if all else fails, makes bets.  That should entertain you.  Lol. 

[TheNineClub]

Then you should go in octagon and try to fight with one of those fighters tosee how much entertaining fighting is, but you probably got in the fight last time back in the school  
This is not circus show with McGregor and other freaks breaking buses just to sell payperview, its simply fightning and I saw many spectacular fighters that came from DWCS, but you don't know that because you don't follow it.
One of them is Marina Rodriguez who is fightinh in main UFC event in few days.

See, now you are twisting my words to make your point valid, and it has nothing to do with what I said nor what I am referring to.

What I am questioning is the entertainment value of the show, not its legitimacy of fighters and potential UFC newcomers. As for entertainment, it falls flat. Sure, you could argue that some of the fights themselves are entertaining, but you could also then argue that watching any UFC fight card from start to finish or any other organization could be considered entertainment and, besides of a couple of honorable mentions, I do not.

If you read my quote with understanding you will see that I first and foremost argued that the show itself, as a televised package, is not entertaining, not the fights as I do not consider fights entertainment, I consider them fights. As you can see in my next sentence I hypothetically consider that someone would think of fights from an entertainment value (even if I myself do not), but than we would have to see what makes these fights more entertaining than any other fight on any other local promotion. If you watch fights solely on the principle that you can see great fights, then do you also watch every KSW undercard? Local Balkan promotions? Third-tier USA promotions? Because if not, you could be missing out on some spectacular fighters.

as for this part

Then you should go in octagon and try to fight with one of those fighters tosee how much entertaining fighting is, but you probably got in the fight last time back in the school  

If my comment tells you I was in a fight last time in school then your comment tells me you are probably a Tapout wearing 'Let me bang Bro!' screaming type of fan. Now, I do not think you are one of those, but you are clearly missing the point of what televised sports are in the modern world.  And my ability, experience, or ring time has nothing to do with the validity of my comment.

[notblox1]

And if all else fails, makes bets.  That should entertain you.  Lol.  

It's entertaining to me watching how I touch the nerves of some people who get offended because they never fight in their live but they are experts for fighting, maybe it same way like everyone is a general even if he didn't went to army, or best coach that never played any sports except on his playstation  

[TheNineClub]

And if all else fails, makes bets.  That should entertain you.  Lol.  

It's entertaining to me watching how I touch the nerves of some people who get offended because they never fight in their live but they are experts for fighting, maybe it same way like everyone is a general even if he didn't went to army, or best coach that never played any sports except on his playstation  

Nope, no touched nerves, just your inability to read what I have written and your lack of quality argumentation. I am simply correcting your wrong presumption about what I have written (even though it's written) and your false assumption that something is correlated to another thing. Don't worry, you'll get a hang of it eventually. Maybe.

[notblox1]

Back to favorite Dana White Contender Series that is promising very entertaining five fights and I am especially looking for heavyweight fight co-main event Lorenzo Hood vs Martin Buday from Slovakia.
Few of the fighters have perfect record and with win and good performance they could jump in the top UFC train.

[tokeweed]

It’s a decent Bellator event for the coming weekend.  I really don’t get excited when I get Corey Anderson in a UFC event but for Bellator it’s pump fist in the air card.  Lolol.  And Nemkov being the main event is always good.

Bellator 268:  Countdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29ejoGMJiw

So...  Anybody have any leans you want to share? 

[TopTort777]

Wooh... I thought that Nemkov was going to fight Anthony Rumble Johnson, but now I see he is replaced with Julius Anglickas. Looks like a mismatch to me, despite Anglickas is 10-1 and in a series of 9 straight wins.

Bader vs Anderson is worth watching. Benson Henderson I know from UFC and he was rather good there. All others fighters are not familiar with me. I think I am not even going to download that event and watch, but rather check youtube for best moments of main event or watch events review by youtubers.

[notblox1]

DWCS finished and there is a new Russian fighter signed for UFC and Dana White was so impressed with first round of his fight that he called it best round ever and he can't to see him fight again.
Slovakian Martin Buday also won his fight and signed for UFC, Dana White said that he needs heavyweights so I am not surprised to see him joining the team.

It’s a decent Bellator event for the coming weekend.  I really don’t get excited when I get Corey Anderson in a UFC event but for Bellator it’s pump fist in the air card.  Lolol.  And Nemkov being the main event is always good.

I would say it's much Bellator better event than this week UFC event, we have both Light Heavyweight main and co-main event, I am excited to see Ryan Bader vs Corey Anderson in this grand prix semifinals!