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[notblox1]

I just signed up on Eagle FC website so I will be able to watch all their events for FREE including this one that is starting in few hours Eagle FC 44 Kharitonov vs.Spong.
They say it's free, no contracts and no gimmicks.
Khabib warned UFC and Bellator to treat their fighters better or EFC will take them, he hired a lot famous UFC faces as commentators, so you can see Pre-Fight Show with Khabib, Kamaru Usman, Henry Cejudo and Chael Sonnen on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb3WgOXBVU8


https://eaglefc.com/

Register, set your reminder and enjoy some great MMA fights soon for free.
I couldn't find EFC fights for betting on any crypto sports betting website, but this could change soon.

[tokeweed]

Here are the weigh in results for Bellator’s event that starts in around 10 hours or so.  From a betting perspective, I’m not really sure what I’m looking at.  Lol.  I haven’t made my bets yet as Stake seems to have some connectivity issues but I would go for Bader in the main event as a live underdog at 2.78.  Parlay Mamedov - Willis at 1.73 and Rosta - Gonzales - Mikhailov at 1.79.  Lines are from FJ but Stake sometimes gives slightly better lines, but not by much.

The event should be good.  Enjoy! 

Bellator 273:  Weigh Ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiSHETRtK-A

Champ Ryan Bader (232.2) vs interim champ Valentin Moldavsky (234.4)
Benson Henderson (155.8 ) vs Islam Mamedov (155.6)
Henry Corrales (145.8 ) vs Aiden Lee (145.8 )
Sabah Homasi (170.8 ) vs Jaleel Willis (170.2)
Enrique Barzola (136) vs Darrion Caldwell (135.8 )
Saad Awad (156) vs Chris Gonzalez (155.6)
Duane Johnson (185.6) vs Dalton Rosta (184.6)
Nikita Mikhailov (135.6) vs Blaine Shutt (134)
Lucas Brennan (145.4) vs Benjamin Lugo (146)
Weber Almeida (145.2) vs Fabricio Franco (151.2)*
Sullivan Cauley (205.8 ) vs Ben Parrish (205.2)

* Missed weight, bout cancelled.

[TopTort777]

I was so wrong about Tyron Spong. Not only he is a complete zero in wrestling, but even slow bellyboy Kharitonov outstriked him. Spong ate just every jab Kharitonow has thrown. Just every single punch. I thought that he would show speed and work as number one in the ring, but Kharitonov simply dominated him…

[TheNineClub]

I was so wrong about Tyron Spong. Not only he is a complete zero in wrestling, but even slow bellyboy Kharitonov outstriked him. Spong ate just every jab Kharitonow has thrown. Just every single punch. I thought that he would show speed and work as number one in the ring, but Kharitonov simply dominated him…

Yeah, that kinda did surprise me. I mean, I had a hunch that Kharitonov would dominate on the ground, but to do this on the feet? I mean, I could chalk up that to Spong being super axious over the possibility of a takedown and therefore opened to shots...maybe. Strange.

Anyway, here are the full Bellator results



You know what, Benson is an OG. What a fighter, such a legacy and still going strong. My hats off to him.

[tokeweed]

^  Lost one parlay but won the other one and the bet on Bader.  All the fighters that won in the main card were underdogs.  Lol.  The books were way off in the main event, the co main and with Homasi vs Willis.  And it really looked like the read about Bader’s wrestling being the thing that gives him the advantage was spot on.  Gotta thank somebody for that one.    Bader got a little tired at the end of the fifth tho.

Overall it was good.  Lots of finishes and some good underdog wins.  I hope Bellator match makers keep doing it.

[bittraffic]

You know what, Benson is an OG. What a fighter, such a legacy and still going strong. My hats off to him.

Yup, he still has it. I meant the hair that keeps distracting him. He should have braided it whenever he fights.
Amazing how he roll thru when he was about to get slammed but he goes with it landed on top. I still have him in mind to be one of the greatest back in 2010 where most matches are obviously unfair when it comes to sizes and weight. He suddenly disappears in UFC though.

^  Lost one parlay but won the other one and the bet on Bader.  All the fighters that won in the main card were underdogs.  Lol.  The books were way off in the main event, the co main and with Homasi vs Willis.  And it really looked like the read about Bader’s wrestling being the thing that gives him the advantage was spot on.  Gotta thank somebody for that one.    Bader got a little tired at the end of the fifth tho.

Overall it was good.  Lots of finishes and some good underdog wins.  I hope Bellator match makers keep doing it.

Lots of finishes which is more exciting than in UFC. UD is just overrated.

[tokeweed]

^  Depends which UFC event you’re talking about bud.    But I do get it.  There are some events in the UFC that don’t deliver...  But there are events in Bellator that do suck too a lot of times.  And Bellator 273 was one of the best events Scott Coker had after a couple of so so events.

What made Bellator 273 special was the underdogs in main card winning their bouts.  Especially the Henderson win.  He fought in front of his home town, his family and friends.  He was considered washed by the books and most of the MMA community and expected him to lose vs one of Khabib’s proteges...  Nope.  So good.

[notblox1]

Overall it was good.  Lots of finishes and some good underdog wins.  I hope Bellator match makers keep doing it.

I didn't have time last weekend to watch Bellator fights but I saw the results, Ryan Bader won like I expected,
and it was not good day for other Russian Islam Mamedov who lost from Henderson in co-main event.

I didn't saw many comments about Eangle FC 44 Kharitonov vs Spong, that went exactly as I was predicting with Kharitonov win in second round.
Rashad Evans is finally back after long break with win over Gabriel Checco, and I think, EFC44 was more interesting to watch than Bellator this time.
I signed up for FREE on their FLX website and if you didn't watch this event live you can watch playback again there:
https://watch.goflx.com/player/27454/stream

I was so wrong about Tyron Spong. Not only he is a complete zero in wrestling, but even slow bellyboy Kharitonov outstriked him. Spong ate just every jab Kharitonow has thrown. Just every single punch. I thought that he would show speed and work as number one in the ring, but Kharitonov simply dominated him…

I told you, belly or no belly he is very good fighter
Pre match odds were just a bookies trap.

[TheNineClub]

^  Depends which UFC event you’re talking about bud.    But I do get it.  There are some events in the UFC that don’t deliver...  But there are events in Bellator that do suck too a lot of times.  And Bellator 273 was one of the best events Scott Coker had after a couple of so so events.

What made Bellator 273 special was the underdogs in main card winning their bouts.  Especially the Henderson win.  He fought in front of his home town, his family and friends.  He was considered washed by the books and most of the MMA community and expected him to lose vs one of Khabib’s proteges...  Nope.  So good.

Exactly! The UFC fluctuates a lot, think of it like crypto XD, it's very turbulent and the quality of an event varies drastically from one to another. It's mostly due to them actually having too many fighters on the rooster and then having to put multiple events just to accommodate those numbers. With Bellator, I see more consistency, but that consistency is on a lower level than UFCs. I am not sure if Bellator can overcome this, it seems to be bound with UFC in some odd way and I doubt it will ever have its own footing in the sport. But it's always good to have options, especially when you look at the talent in ONE and EAGLE FC (when they beef up the roster a bit).

[TopTort777]

I was so wrong about Tyron Spong. Not only he is a complete zero in wrestling, but even slow bellyboy Kharitonov outstriked him. Spong ate just every jab Kharitonow has thrown. Just every single punch. I thought that he would show speed and work as number one in the ring, but Kharitonov simply dominated him…

I told you, belly or no belly he is very good fighter
Pre match odds were just a bookies trap.

Naaah, Kharitonov won not because he is so good, but because Spong is sucked at everything that night. Kharitonov was heavies and Spong could have used his speed advantage. But he decided not to. For me it even looked that Spong is not in his category. He should fought in light heavy. Spong should have cycle around Kharitonov and gain points. And avoid parter like fire.

Maybe I am still too impressed with his K1 performance. Spong fought top Alistair Overeem (but under K1 rules) and lost via decision. But he survived 3*3min rounds. I have expected him to show same skills that night, but as soon as he felt in parter, it was over.

[tokeweed]

^  Depends which UFC event you’re talking about bud.    But I do get it.  There are some events in the UFC that don’t deliver...  But there are events in Bellator that do suck too a lot of times.  And Bellator 273 was one of the best events Scott Coker had after a couple of so so events.

What made Bellator 273 special was the underdogs in main card winning their bouts.  Especially the Henderson win.  He fought in front of his home town, his family and friends.  He was considered washed by the books and most of the MMA community and expected him to lose vs one of Khabib’s proteges...  Nope.  So good.

Exactly! The UFC fluctuates a lot, think of it like crypto XD, it's very turbulent and the quality of an event varies drastically from one to another. It's mostly due to them actually having too many fighters on the rooster and then having to put multiple events just to accommodate those numbers. With Bellator, I see more consistency, but that consistency is on a lower level than UFCs. I am not sure if Bellator can overcome this, it seems to be bound with UFC in some odd way and I doubt it will ever have its own footing in the sport. But it's always good to have options, especially when you look at the talent in ONE and EAGLE FC (when they beef up the roster a bit).

Not really.  The UFC has been fairly consistent with their Fight Night events with some of those having a roster worthy to be a PPV event.  But the thing with the UFC is you get around two, three or four Fight Night events then a PPV card in between, the quality tends to go up then down to Fight Night quality.

I think a lot of the UFC FN events we’ve seen last year had higher quality than many Bellator events.  It’s just more exciting.  Match makers in the UFC are really good at their job.

[Hydrogen]

The UFC matches the best in the world against the best in the world.

Bellator matches its champions and golden boy prospects against subpar competition, to create mismatches that give an exaggerated false impression of how good their fighters are.

A top #10 fighter in the UFC like Corey Anderson can move to bellator and demolish everyone. As we have seen.

They tried to make Ryan Bader a 2 division champ, by feeding him mismatches, but the illusion could not last for long.

[TopTort777]

A top #10 fighter in the UFC like Corey Anderson can move to bellator and demolish everyone. As we have seen.

Are you saying that UFC fighters are better than Bellator? It is not always like that. For example former Bellator fighters like Alexander Volkov or Eddie Alvarez performed well among other fighters. Volkov is top5 in heavyweights, Alvarez was a lightweight champion. I could mention Michael Chandler, but he is not doing well in UFC (however he is top5 lightweight).

I would not say that UFC fighters would demolish Bellator fighters, I would rather say that top Bellator fighters are like average UFC fighter. Not a punching bag, and not a future champion.

[notblox1]

The UFC matches the best in the world against the best in the world.

This is not always the case and confirmation for that is clown youtuber Jack Paul destroying ex-UFC champion not once but two times.
Cris Cyborg is fantastic fighter, maybe one of the best female fighters in the world and she is fighting in Bellator, and there are others.
Many fighters don't like how UFC and Dana White is treating fighters, including champion Francis Nnganou so it won't be surprise if he switches to Bellator or some other organisation.

[tokeweed]

^  Rofl seriously?  How could you use boxing vs two washed MMA fighters, Askren and Woodley, as a metric?  But if we really want to use that as a metric then let’s get two old washed up MMA fighters from Bellator to fight Jake Paul in a boxing match too then.

And Cris Cyborg got starched by Nunes btw.

A top #10 fighter in the UFC like Corey Anderson can move to bellator and demolish everyone. As we have seen.

Are you saying that UFC fighters are better than Bellator? It is not always like that. For example former Bellator fighters like Alexander Volkov or Eddie Alvarez performed well among other fighters. Volkov is top5 in heavyweights, Alvarez was a lightweight champion. I could mention Michael Chandler, but he is not doing well in UFC (however he is top5 lightweight).

I would not say that UFC fighters would demolish Bellator fighters, I would rather say that top Bellator fighters are like average UFC fighter. Not a punching bag, and not a future champion.

Not always but mostly yes.  And it’s true.  I have a friend who’s a huge Fedor fan and he thinks Fedor is the best HW MMA fighter ever.  I tend to agree but how do we really know if he hadn’t fought the guys in the UFC?  Like Cain, JDS and whoever was at the top during their prime.

[bittraffic]

It will be cool to see unification fghts from different promotions like UFC,  BELLATOR, EAGLE and the BARE Knuckles to see whos best of the best. Meaning Ngannou is not yet done, he has to fight the rest like Kongo or Moldavsky.  When it happens, by then there will be transparency to how the negotiation of money with Dana and to the fighters in Bellator.

[TopTort777]

I have a friend who’s a huge Fedor fan and he thinks Fedor is the best HW MMA fighter ever.  I tend to agree but how do we really know if he hadn’t fought the guys in the UFC?  Like Cain, JDS and whoever was at the top during their prime.

I am a fan of Fedor also, but I think he was only the best HW in the organization he competed, or during 2000-2007. Who was the UFC during that period? Nogeira, Arlovsky, Sylvia. He has beaten these guys. He only did not fought against Randy Couture (that would be a very interesting fight to watch) and Barnett (I think he would beat him). You know, I would better say that Fedor was best HW in the ring, but not in octagon. These to places to fight require different tactics. Octagon is bigger, and you can use fence, while ring ropes are quite useless.

I think we are turning this conversation who is better, Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone, Terminator or Universal Soldier

[tokeweed]

^  It would’ve been nice to see him go fight all the best UFC fighters during his prime just to see who’s the best.  I guess he fought some would be somewhat great UFC fighters at the time at Strike Force.  Fedor lost to Werdum, Big Foot Silva and Dan Henderson.  I guess it would be safe to say prime Cain Velasquez and prime JDS would’ve gotten some W’s vs him too?

It will be cool to see unification fghts from different promotions like UFC,  BELLATOR, EAGLE and the BARE Knuckles to see whos best of the best. Meaning Ngannou is not yet done, he has to fight the rest like Kongo or Moldavsky.  When it happens, by then there will be transparency to how the negotiation of money with Dana and to the fighters in Bellator.

Lol.  No question Ngannou would def murk both of those guys.  And anybody matched up with him should prolly ask for more money for the beating they’ll be getting. 

[notblox1]

I have a friend who’s a huge Fedor fan and he thinks Fedor is the best HW MMA fighter ever.  I tend to agree but how do we really know if he hadn’t fought the guys in the UFC?  Like Cain, JDS and whoever was at the top during their prime.

Fedor is a legend from another time with 40 pro wins in his MMA carrier, he was there fighting and kicking before UFC ever existed, it was Pride from Japan, and he still have one last farewell fight
I would agree that he is the best MMA heavyweight fighter in the world in his time, but this sport is changing all the time.

You know what happened with ex-UFC champion Demetrious Johnson when he moved from UFC to One Championship MMA?
He lost from Adriano Moraes who was never in UFC, and I can find more examples like that.

[TheNineClub]

^  Depends which UFC event you’re talking about bud.    But I do get it.  There are some events in the UFC that don’t deliver...  But there are events in Bellator that do suck too a lot of times.  And Bellator 273 was one of the best events Scott Coker had after a couple of so so events.

What made Bellator 273 special was the underdogs in main card winning their bouts.  Especially the Henderson win.  He fought in front of his home town, his family and friends.  He was considered washed by the books and most of the MMA community and expected him to lose vs one of Khabib’s proteges...  Nope.  So good.

Exactly! The UFC fluctuates a lot, think of it like crypto XD, it's very turbulent and the quality of an event varies drastically from one to another. It's mostly due to them actually having too many fighters on the rooster and then having to put multiple events just to accommodate those numbers. With Bellator, I see more consistency, but that consistency is on a lower level than UFCs. I am not sure if Bellator can overcome this, it seems to be bound with UFC in some odd way and I doubt it will ever have its own footing in the sport. But it's always good to have options, especially when you look at the talent in ONE and EAGLE FC (when they beef up the roster a bit).

Not really.  The UFC has been fairly consistent with their Fight Night events with some of those having a roster worthy to be a PPV event.  But the thing with the UFC is you get around two, three or four Fight Night events then a PPV card in between, the quality tends to go up then down to Fight Night quality.

I think a lot of the UFC FN events we’ve seen last year had higher quality than many Bellator events.  It’s just more exciting.  Match makers in the UFC are really good at their job.

That's what I am getting at. Sure, you might get more consistency when you look strictly at Fight Nigh quality (even though I would disagree on that from a personal standpoint, for me at least it tends to fluctuate more), but beside's Fight Night we have other 8 types of UFC events in the mix. And yes, FN has more events overall, but when you combine all of that together you get a lot of fluctuation. What I see with Bellator is not that their events are at the level UFC FN is, but just that they are, at the Bellator level, more or less more consistent (just my opinion and my view).