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~ and co-main event is Demetrious Johnson vs Rodtang Jitmuangnon.

It's worth mentioning that this bout is under special rules:

Each round will be three minutes long with one minute of rest between them, and the battle will kick off with the ball in “The Iron Man’s” court.

Round 1: Muay Thai

Round 2: MMA

Round 3: Muay Thai

Round 4: MMA

The entire bout will be contested with 4-ounce MMA-style gloves.

^ We know DJ is also decent in striking and Rodtang is said to have trained BJJ for a few years but I don't think it's going to reach round 3. It's either DJ will be knocked out in round 1 or he submits Rodtang in round 2 (if he survives R1).

I don't know what really prompted these two to fight under those rules (apart from money) but I respect their decision to step out of their element.

[TopTort777]

Indeed rules are special. They make fight more interesting for audience, but I think they are not fair. They give obvious advantage to one fighter, while other fighters conditions does not change. For example wrestler can survive Muay Thai round (just go in deep defense and pray, or run) and destroy his opponent, if he has zero skills in wrestling. Every fighter can try to counter strikes, but not everyone can counter wrestling techniques or submission attempt.

[TheNineClub]

~ and co-main event is Demetrious Johnson vs Rodtang Jitmuangnon.

It's worth mentioning that this bout is under special rules:

Each round will be three minutes long with one minute of rest between them, and the battle will kick off with the ball in “The Iron Man’s” court.

Round 1: Muay Thai

Round 2: MMA

Round 3: Muay Thai

Round 4: MMA

The entire bout will be contested with 4-ounce MMA-style gloves.

^ We know DJ is also decent in striking and Rodtang is said to have trained BJJ for a few years but I don't think it's going to reach round 3. It's either DJ will be knocked out in round 1 or he submits Rodtang in round 2 (if he survives R1).

I don't know what really prompted these two to fight under those rules (apart from money) but I respect their decision to step out of their element.

I would argue that the difference could be much more noticeable in the MMA rounds than in standup. DJ has trained striking during the entirety of his career and has used standup to his advantage and did so a quite a high level in regards to his sport. In contrast, Rodtang is 100% training for an MMA fight, but I doubt he can make up ground (pun intended) when it comes to wrestling and bjj. Now, every fight does start standing up and DJ will have to take him down, I wouldn't bet on DJ coming close to Rodtangs striking abilities, but, DJ has faced strikers in the past. But, there is no sure thing in fighting so lets see.

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Here is one more One championship MMA that is worth watching, with well known fighter like Demetrious Johnson being on main card.
Main event is woman strawweight Cchampionship title fight Stamp Fairtex vs Angela Lee, and co-main event is Demetrious Johnson vs Rodtang Jitmuangnon.
Great thing about their events is that you can watch them for FREE on their youtube channel, and I think it's going to be the case for One X event.


https://www.onefc.com/

This event is huge..  18 matches!

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/85971-one-championship

I haven't paid much attention on ONE before but did they ever have a format like the UFC?  Like having a pre fight press conference and a ceremonial weigh ins?  I think it's cool that they do.

ONE X:  Pre Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBl5w8jKLA

ONE X:  Official Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE8Smk64VyY

ONE X:  Ceremonial Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzhGm1KTAk

One thing I don't like much about ONE FC events are the MMA matches are mixed with Muay Thai and kick boxing matches.  Nothing against both but I find it lacking as I've gotten so used to MMA now.

Which book do you guys go to for ONE events?

[notblox1]

I haven't paid much attention on ONE before but did they ever have a format like the UFC?  Like having a pre fight press conference and a ceremonial weigh ins?  I think it's cool that they do.

Yes, they always have both press conference and weight-ins with different rules like hydration test, but all is looking very professional.
I think Demetrious Johnson is going to lose again, he can't cope with Muay Thai champion Rodtang Jitmuangnon.

One more even starting today is PFL Challenger Series 6 with four fights.
This is something like Dana White Contender series, and winners get to sign contracts with PFL, or not.


https://pflmma.com/

[7788bitcoin]

I haven't paid much attention on ONE before but did they ever have a format like the UFC?  Like having a pre fight press conference and a ceremonial weigh ins?  I think it's cool that they do.

Yes, they always have both press conference and weight-ins with different rules like hydration test, but all is looking very professional.
I think Demetrious Johnson is going to lose again, he can't cope with Muay Thai champion Rodtang Jitmuangnon.

I think the UFC should implement the hydration test and if that happens most of the fighters will be forced to move up a weight division as they amount of weight some of the fighters are cutting is huge  .

Demetrious Johnson was not having any challengers in the UFC but now he is having some serious challenges, may be because he is slowing down because of his age as he is 35 years. The fight against Rodtang Jitmuangnon is a mixed rules fight right, first Muay Thai and then MMA. If DJ can survive the first rounds he will win the MMA bout with ease.

[tokeweed]

Referee'ing in ONE FC is just dumb.  They can't just force fighters to get into action, esp not a championship bout.  Double yellow card cos both fighters were in the process of feeling each other out?  It's a fight ffs, not some football game.  Betting on these matches is def not recommended.  Refs are given leeway to somewhat 'manipulate' matches.

But all in all as a pure fan of MMA, the event is decent enough.

Anyway, Demetrious Johnson next...  Let's see how he does at Muay Thai.  Lolol.

Edit:  He sleepin'.  Lmao.  Demetrious Johnson won via sub.

[Bttzed03]

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Anyway, Demetrious Johnson next...  Let's see how he does at Muay Thai.  Lolol.

Edit:  He sleepin'.  Lmao.  Demetrious Johnson won via sub.

Yup, it didn't reach round 3 and won by sub as predicted.

DJ landed some good punches and knees but he somehow survived round 1 by clinching a lot. I don't think real Muay Thai fighters would have done that but kudos to DJ's camp because that was still a smart strategy.

[TheNineClub]

Here are the full results of that huge event:



There was definitely something for everyone here. DJ won, no surprise there. To make it a bit fairer they should have put the MT rounds longer, but the result was as expected. Sexyama gets a win? At 46 beating someone like Aoki? Damn, what a fighter. Also, JWP lost. The guy is super likable and always fun to watch, but maybe it's time to hang up those gloves for good.

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Anyway, Demetrious Johnson next...  Let's see how he does at Muay Thai.  Lolol.

Edit:  He sleepin'.  Lmao.  Demetrious Johnson won via sub.

Yup, it didn't reach round 3 and won by sub as predicted.

DJ landed some good punches and knees but he somehow survived round 1 by clinching a lot. I don't think real Muay Thai fighters would have done that but kudos to DJ's camp because that was still a smart strategy.

Isn't the Rodrang guy a legit Muay Thai fighter?  I really have no idea but DJ had nothing on him in a pure striking battle at R1.  Rodrang was applying pressure most of the time.  But come the second round you could really see MMA's advantages vs pure strikers.  There's just more ways DJ can go to win the match. 

But yeah overall it was a good event.  And a looong one.  Would be nice to have a UFC like that.

UAE Warriors live rn:  https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/87616-uae-warriors-29-africa

[TheNineClub]

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Anyway, Demetrious Johnson next...  Let's see how he does at Muay Thai.  Lolol.

Edit:  He sleepin'.  Lmao.  Demetrious Johnson won via sub.

Yup, it didn't reach round 3 and won by sub as predicted.

DJ landed some good punches and knees but he somehow survived round 1 by clinching a lot. I don't think real Muay Thai fighters would have done that but kudos to DJ's camp because that was still a smart strategy.

Isn't the Rodrang guy a legit Muay Thai fighter?  I really have no idea but DJ had nothing on him in a pure striking battle at R1.  Rodrang was applying pressure most of the time.  But come the second round you could really see MMA's advantages vs pure strikers.  There's just more ways DJ can go to win the match. 

But yeah overall it was a good event.  And a looong one.  Would be nice to have a UFC like that.

UAE Warriors live rn:  https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/87616-uae-warriors-29-africa

Yeah, he is, he's an MT powerhouse. I love how he actually adapted his stand-up fighting to more movement as opposed to the standard MT forward / backward movement. But everything else is as I thought it would be. DJ actually may be engaging too much but ok, I get it. However, as soon as it gets to MMA it's a wrestler with a great stand up against a non-wrestler with excellent standup, and in most cases that just doesn't go over well. But hat's off to ONE for being open to such a ruleset, and of course to the fighters for stepping out of the comfort zone.

[Russlenat]

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Anyway, Demetrious Johnson next...  Let's see how he does at Muay Thai.  Lolol.

Edit:  He sleepin'.  Lmao.  Demetrious Johnson won via sub.

Yup, it didn't reach round 3 and won by sub as predicted.

DJ landed some good punches and knees but he somehow survived round 1 by clinching a lot. I don't think real Muay Thai fighters would have done that but kudos to DJ's camp because that was still a smart strategy.

Isn't the Rodrang guy a legit Muay Thai fighter?  I really have no idea but DJ had nothing on him in a pure striking battle at R1.  Rodrang was applying pressure most of the time.  But come the second round you could really see MMA's advantages vs pure strikers.  There's just more ways DJ can go to win the match. 

But yeah overall it was a good event.  And a looong one.  Would be nice to have a UFC like that.

UAE Warriors live rn:  https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/87616-uae-warriors-29-africa

Pardon, it's Rodtang not Rodrang but yes, Rodtang is a legitimate Muay Thai fighter while DJ is an MMA fighter. The rules wasn't unfair too as both of them could represent their each and own field of expertise but sadly in the 1st round it's all about Muay Thai and Rodtang has that advantage.

We can already see that at the start, Rodtang is calm and have given DJ a nice warm punch already while the latter is just almost pure defense trying survive the 1st round, barely. Until the 2nd round commenced and DJ had him until Rodtang ran out of air and win via submission.

[notblox1]

Referee'ing in ONE FC is just dumb.  They can't just force fighters to get into action, esp not a championship bout.  Double yellow card cos both fighters were in the process of feeling each other out?  It's a fight ffs, not some football game.  Betting on these matches is def not recommended.  Refs are given leeway to somewhat 'manipulate' matches.

It is different than what we got used to UFC, but this was special rules for Demetrious Johnson vs Rodtang Jitmuangnon that looks more like combination of rules from different combat sports.
I didn't expect Demetrious Johnson to win but it looks like he prepared good in last training camp, or it was just his day 
Rodtang Jitmuangnon is the real deal and Flyweight Muay Thai champion, but he is still young so maybe more experienced fighter won in this fight.

[tokeweed]

^  I wasn't just talking about the match with Demetrious Johnson and Rodtang.  It was in most of the matches.  I mean I get it, they want it to be more entertaining for the fans but the refs shouldn't do that in matches that have something more on the line than just a W.  Like the title fight with Moraes vs Wakamatsu.  The ref can't pressure the fighters to get into action, even threatening to give a point deduction, if they're in the process of feeling each other out.  It's a title fight ffs.

And there were also a couple other matches...

[TheNineClub]

^  I wasn't just talking about the match with Demetrious Johnson and Rodtang.  It was in most of the matches.  I mean I get it, they want it to be more entertaining for the fans but the refs shouldn't do that in matches that have something more on the line than just a W.  Like the title fight with Moraes vs Wakamatsu.  The ref can't pressure the fighters to get into action, even threatening to give a point deduction, if they're in the process of feeling each other out.  It's a title fight ffs.

And there were also a couple other matches...

I get what you are saying, but this is not the UFC and different principles of approaching judging might apply, however dumb it may seem to us. I am actually not sure how much leeway do judges have under the unified rules and are ONE judges adapting the unified rules or are they working on their own ruleset...Damn, this could be interesting to find out, I'll have to look into it.

[notblox1]

The ref can't pressure the fighters to get into action, even threatening to give a point deduction, if they're in the process of feeling each other out.  It's a title fight ffs.

I remember some refs doing the same thing in UFC but it's not that common thing.
I can't remember what exact fight in UFC that was but I remember commentators complaining about this judge and saying that is not ok.
Maybe they are pressured by owners to get more action and avoid boring fights, and they do that if they have weak character.

[TheNineClub]

^  I wasn't just talking about the match with Demetrious Johnson and Rodtang.  It was in most of the matches.  I mean I get it, they want it to be more entertaining for the fans but the refs shouldn't do that in matches that have something more on the line than just a W.  Like the title fight with Moraes vs Wakamatsu.  The ref can't pressure the fighters to get into action, even threatening to give a point deduction, if they're in the process of feeling each other out.  It's a title fight ffs.

And there were also a couple other matches...

I get what you are saying, but this is not the UFC and different principles of approaching judging might apply, however dumb it may seem to us. I am actually not sure how much leeway do judges have under the unified rules and are ONE judges adapting the unified rules or are they working on their own ruleset...Damn, this could be interesting to find out, I'll have to look into it.

So, to answer my own inquiry (and to anyone who is interested), ONE judges do not abide by the Unified Rules of MMA, and therefore, something that might seem to us logical maybe not be something they are viewing in the same manner. I'm not sure if I am looking into this more deeply than it should be, but it might be also culturological. Their culture of fighting (and their fighting history) could be a factor in how they view a fight should be. The best example could be the difference in their pro-wrestling approach and what the west has (Check NJPW and how their fight structure differs from the organizations in the west, and yes, I know pro wrestling is not real fighting, but I think it's applicable for this situation).

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The ref can't pressure the fighters to get into action, even threatening to give a point deduction, if they're in the process of feeling each other out.  It's a title fight ffs.

I remember some refs doing the same thing in UFC but it's not that common thing.
I can't remember what exact fight in UFC that was but I remember commentators complaining about this judge and saying that is not ok.
Maybe they are pressured by owners to get more action and avoid boring fights, and they do that if they have weak character.

But a double point deduction just cos both fighters were in the process of feeling each other out in what could be the most important match in their careers?  C'mon.  If Herb Dean or Keith Peterson did something like that in let's say Yan vs Aljo bout, they would't see the end of it.  They'd never be allowed from ever working in the UFC again.  It's basically the ref manipulating the fighters into making a wrong decision.  It's dumb.

[notblox1]

If Herb Dean or Keith Peterson did something like that in let's say Yan vs Aljo bout, they would't see the end of it.  They'd never be allowed from ever working in the UFC again.  It's basically the ref manipulating the fighters into making a wrong decision.  It's dumb.

Who is going to remove those refs if they make a mistake like this?
They are untouchable and I saw many ref mistakes in UFC and not a single one was fired or removed from his work.
I don't know exact rules in One Championship and I didn't watch last event so I can't speak more about it.

PFL Challenger Series 7 is starting tomorrow with many unknown fighters that could sign a deal with PFL.
I can't find any history of their previous fights so it looks like they picked them up from street or from gym

[tokeweed]

If Herb Dean or Keith Peterson did something like that in let's say Yan vs Aljo bout, they would't see the end of it.  They'd never be allowed from ever working in the UFC again.  It's basically the ref manipulating the fighters into making a wrong decision.  It's dumb.

Who is going to remove those refs if they make a mistake like this?
They are untouchable and I saw many ref mistakes in UFC and not a single one was fired or removed from his work.
I don't know exact rules in One Championship and I didn't watch last event so I can't speak more about it.

PFL Challenger Series 7 is starting tomorrow with many unknown fighters that could sign a deal with PFL.
I can't find any history of their previous fights so it looks like they picked them up from street or from gym

Dana White or the UFC can't 'ban' referees per se but remember that ref at UFC 267 (I think) when he didn't stop the fight while one fighter was beating up the other guy who wasn't even fighting back anymore?  He was gonna be the ref of another match that night but it seems like the UFC has some say to remove a ref from their events.  Now I'm not sure if some dumb shit like the double point deduction for inactivity at ONE was a valid reason to remove the ref but they should be reprimanded for doing things that could change the outcome of a match.

You gotta watch it.

Edit:  No UFC and Bellator weekend.  That PFL challenger series will do.  Lol.