Does this thread really deserve the attention it has got?

[marlboroza]

WTH?



Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210409.0
Archived: http://archive.is/VIYcq

Whole thread seems paraphrased, for example this part:

Hello Guys,
Today i'm putting my knowledge in this post, I Hope it will be useful for some peoples, Scamming has become so popular nowadays, I think we have to make every effort to avoid it.
This is a small effort from me,

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#3: Does the website (or company) promise extraordinarily high profits? For example, they can offer that you can double your investment in a week or month. This is a common indication of a scam.

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Does the website promise abnormally high returns? (For example, does it claim you’ll be able to double your investment?) This should raise a big red flag and is a common indicator of a scam.

From here: https://www.finder.com/bitcoin-scams

And some parts are copy-paste job

#5: Malware has long been a weapon in the arsenal of online scammers

Malware has long been a weapon in the arsenal of online scammers.

#7: always use 2-factor authentication
If you’re using a crypto wallet or exchange that supports two-factor authentication, enable this feature before depositing any funds

(The same source). I won't bother to check other parts of thread, this part indicated that user is using their own words:

You do not understand what I mean!
I mean that if you register on a http website your data will not be safe, it may be stolen

I'll invite them here, there are too many coincidences in this thread.

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

If one finds a member who hasbeen a consistent and productive member of the forum, then it is easier to award merits as a block in a single post.

I sort of agree with you here, though I don't think I've ever handed out lumps of merit based on a member's overall post quality.  Maybe once or twice if I was being really lazy, but generally I'll go through the post history and hand out merits for each individual post.

In any case, it looks like The-Devil got himself in some hot water with a few DT members and I'm still trying to figure out why (I haven't read this and the other thread in their entirety yet).  One of the obvious drawbacks to giving a lot of merit that's supposed to be for overall good posting is that it'll get questioned, as it did in this case.  That post linked to in the OP didn't deserve 50 merits IMO, but I see where TMAN was coming from.

[o_e_l_e_o]

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I have three "unhandled" reports against this user for plagiarism. The oldest one is from December 17th, and is for the post you have linked to. The most recent one is from today, and is for this post which is plagiarized from this CoinTelegraph article (from the word "secretly" onwards").

It's pretty obvious that this isn't a case of a "mistaken quote" or simply "forgetting to include the link", and he's trying to farm merit for his signature campaign. I'm not sure why he isn't being banned.

[TMAN]

If you look in investigations, you might be able to follow a link to find someone else with an apparent gambling problem who is somewhat close to TMAN.

Wow Calm down here Sherlock, I'm not connected to anyone here, admittedly I may of fucked up being a lazy cunt with the merits but fork you sir if you think I have any connection to any other account here - I dont have time for forking alts dude. Surely you know that by now

[The-One-Above-All]

If you look in investigations, you might be able to follow a link to find someone else with an apparent gambling problem who is somewhat close to TMAN.

Wow Calm down here Sherlock, I'm not connected to anyone here, admittedly I may of fucked up being a lazy cunt with the merits but fork you sir if you think I have any connection to any other account here - I dont have time for forking alts dude. Surely you know that by now

Hmmm can we believe someone that deliberately tries to deceive people that he wants to buy things from HIMSELF (got his pal to auction them) in an auction because he would get such a great DEAL but shame he has too many already??  deception for clear financial gain = scamming.

Or someone involved with LAUDA in extorting people then claiming it was all under cover agents?? yeeeeeeeeeeehhhh right
Or supporting nutildah who admits he will facilitate scamming others for 0.3 btc then try to delete the evidence??

Sometimes enough is enough of this kind of scamming and gaming of this forum.

The post in question is net negative garbage for the aforementioned reasons that nobody can dispute it should not have 1 single merit, I don't buy this WE DONT HAVE TIME to give merit out to deserving posts LOL well why be a merit source then?? so we want to be a merit source but simply do not have the time to bother with it really....bullshit.

This alt will be in the CIRCLE of those that would have been used to keep them on DT whilst they push their double standards on everyone else with impunity.

Good to notice nobody can debunk any of the points we raised earlier ESPECIALLY tmans THREAT to use merit as a punishment tool now by stating he will with hold it from the member bringing this IMPORTANT incidence to light. Punishment for speaking the truth is total proof the  merits system is crushing free speech. Like anyone was not really aware LOL, thats without it being used to leverage the STICK of trust (abuse) also.

[dragonvslinux]

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I have three "unhandled" reports against this user for plagiarism. The oldest one is from December 17th, and is for the post you have linked to. The most recent one is from today, and is for this post which is plagiarized from this CoinTelegraph article (from the word "secretly" onwards").

It's pretty obvious that this isn't a case of a "mistaken quote" or simply "forgetting to include the link", and he's trying to farm merit for his signature campaign. I'm not sure why he isn't being banned.

Ah, plagiarism. This probably explaisn why Bitcoin SV decided to leave positive trust for this user then 

[HCP]

In any case, it looks like The-Devil got himself in some hot water with a few DT members and I'm still trying to figure out why (I haven't read this and the other thread in their entirety yet).

It would appear that The-Devil was attempting to farm merit... either by using an alt account or a "friend" to post some sort of question in B&H which The-Devil had a pre-written answer for.

As per the timestamps in the screenshots here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215242.msg53538254#msg53538254

You can see the time between the original question being asked, and the answer being posted was measured in seconds. Maybe 1.5 minutes for the first 2 posts. So, The-Devil was either frantically F5'ing in the board... spotted the question, then hammered out an answer like a madman... OR he knew the post was about to be made and already had an answer for it.

It seemed to garner a few merits from people... and then TMAN really drew attention to it all by dropping 50 merits on the guy.

As to whether or not the accusation is correct, it's hard to be 100% certain... but if you look at the post history, then it's fairly clear that the typical posts this user was making are of the "Yes I agree with [idea posted in OP]. I think that [idea in OP] is due to [related thing]. [related thing] is the cause of [idea in OP]. I also like [related thing]"-type posts

For them to have seen the post, read it and then created, typed and posted such thoughtful answers in 90 seconds is a bit of stretch.

[stompix]

In any case, it looks like The-Devil got himself in some hot water with a few DT members and I'm still trying to figure out why (I haven't read this and the other thread in their entirety yet).

It would appear that The-Devil was attempting to farm merit... either by using an alt account or a "friend" to post some sort of question in B&H which The-Devil had a pre-written answer for.
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It seemed to garner a few merits from people... and then TMAN really drew attention to it all by dropping 50 merits on the guy.

You're missing the juicy parts from this, this topic is exactly what I needed to read after 5 days of doing nightshifts and barely been able to read the forum...
When you read the first post by the OP, you go to see his trust flag and you get this:

Quickseller alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with The-Devil
Support: Lauda, marlboroza, TMAN, Quickseller, hacker1001101001

You grab another croissant to go with the coffee and enjoy the whole damn show.

But seriously this went bad for the OP just because he felt the need to brag about his rank up if he would have not done that he would probably have got away with those little schemes and he could have enjoyed the fruits of his work.

I am really confused now. Did I royally fuck up Or not?

You SIR, have done a marvelous job for the forum...

Not just has a new method of farming merits been uncovered, a ring of spammers and plagiarists exposed, you've bought quickie and Lauda together but also if you feel any regret for the merit spent, don't...cause this marvelous topic has awarded more than 60 merits to the ones tearing this scheme apart.

Besides, you've got 3 merits back from devil and the other soon to be banned plagiarist 

[TMAN]

you've bought quickie and Lauda together but also if you feel any regret for the merit spent, don't...cause this marvelous topic has awarded more than 60 merits to the ones tearing this scheme apart.

sweet! that was my plan in the 1st place obviously (cough) TMAN wins in the end!

[elmanchez]

how about fuck off and worry about yourself and not others?

I gave the user 50 as I saw they are a decent poster, being a sauce is hard work sometimes as when I am not online much I can see the merits stacking up. I dont always have time in a month to hand out 400+ merits in small transactions so I try to help out the most deserving posters I see.

anyway - your on ignore for being a used tampon..

Peace out fucko - no merits for you from me!

I support your opinion ...
We usually say this: Who the fuck is someone else's grief?

OP, you could just be happy for him and not write this dumb post.

[tranthidung]

One of the obvious drawbacks to giving a lot of merit that's supposed to be for overall good posting is that it'll get questioned, as it did in this case.  That post linked to in the OP didn't deserve 50 merits IMO, but I see where TMAN was coming from.

I agree with you on this point. TMAN is a good source, not only because he helped me but also what he did for the other good posters in the community. Being a source is kind of official task and somehow it puts pressure to finish works as sources.

If we look positively on what TMAN has done, we might agree with him on this approach, only because his lack of time and his past right decisions to dump merits on very good posters. I have not observed TMAN but occassionally when I saw him gave away 20 - 30 - 50 merits to the others, all of them deserve those merit dumps.

The latest one, that resulted in the drama is TMAN dumped merits on the bad OP, and it is a root cause. No one at their first glance, spending time to look at post history of OP, they simply and only look at the bad OP's contents and the 50-merit transaction.

Gettting merit dumps are always much happy, I know. I remembered the first time I got 14 merits dumped by actmyname in 2018, it's my sweet memory. Who have not yet experienced such dumps are jealous with the others (please don't deny that). But to be honest, with or without such merit dumps (from TMAN or the others), I am going to rank up, obviously.
In a summary, I suggest that if sources are lack of time to scan the forum and find good posts to dump merits; they should choose at least a good poster, scan post history of that one, then dump merits (10, 20, 50, it depends) on one of good posts of that one. It will not cause any drama, I believe.

Drama causes some users withdrawn their roles as sources (at least Vod). Have you ever imagined TMAN's source-withdrawal will be good for the forum? Being a source is a silent work, without payment and you guys ask for too much, IMO.

[o_e_l_e_o]

It will not cause any drama, I believe.

I mean, I agree with the premise that it is better for a source to drop 50 merits on a single post than to only drop 1 if the other 49 would otherwise go to waste. It keeps merit flowing and gives that user sMerits of their own to distribute. But it definitely has the potential to cause drama, as this thread proves. This isn't the first time people have complained about a post receiving more merit than they agree with, and it won't be the last.

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So my most recent report for plagiarism has been marked as good, and the thread has been trashed, but according to modlog the user still hasn't been banned. Given the ban evasion as well, I would have thought this is a cut-and-dry case?

[The-One-Above-All]

how about fuck off and worry about yourself and not others?

I gave the user 50 as I saw they are a decent poster, being a sauce is hard work sometimes as when I am not online much I can see the merits stacking up. I dont always have time in a month to hand out 400+ merits in small transactions so I try to help out the most deserving posters I see.

anyway - your on ignore for being a used tampon..

Peace out fucko - no merits for you from me!

I support your opinion ...
We usually say this: Who the fuck is someone else's grief?

OP, you could just be happy for him and not write this dumb post.

You support threats to use merit starvation  by a merit source,  to punish the initial poster for raising a very important thread presenting the truth?? that has been spun by DT in to a brilliant move by TMAN LOL

So tman fucks up, the initial poster correctly notes this. Tman says he will never give the initial poster merits again for telling the truth, and tman is the good guy and hero and the OP is the bad guy?? LOL

What a pathetic shit hole meta is. The initial post BROUGHT THE ATTENTION and was correct to bring TMANS lazy or idiotic abuse of merit or perhaps farming alts

What is the point of a board of people that function on this level? idiots following scammers.

Do these merit/sig hunting noob dregs even read the thread before rushing to support blatant confessed abuse of the merit system (promise to with hold merit as a source for telling the truth).

What a cluster fuck.

CLUE the initial poster correctly mentioned tman was slobbering his 50 merits to a shit post. Did he do it because he is too lazy to give out merits as designed or because they were powering up more trust entrenching minions?? who can say.

[eddie13]

Did I royally fuck up Or not?

This is pretty good sport.. Kudos, merited..

@eddie13- i am still trying to figure out how to best run certain tests to confirm who this person is.

Maybe try the same way they busted you with the self-escrow stuff?
Ha ha I kid Jk jk

Are you thinking like zapo=atriz?

how about fuck off and worry about yourself and not others?

I gave the user 50

Peace out fucko - no merits for you from me!

I support your opinion ...
We usually say this: Who the fuck is someone else's grief?

OP, you could just be happy for him and not write this dumb post.

Way to read the thread @elmanchez...
Way to make me regret giving you a merit just now..

@TMAN you know, I think it maybe would be a good apology of sorts for you to toss some of them saucy merits at the OP since you honorably admit that you maybe slipped a bit here..
(better excruciatingly vett him first though right? heh)

[Lauda]

Not just has a new method of farming merits been uncovered, a ring of spammers and plagiarists exposed, you've bought quickie and Lauda together but also if you feel any regret for the merit spent, don't...cause this marvelous topic has awarded more than 60 merits to the ones tearing this scheme apart.

I think this is a first, but please call me Laudie or Laura or Laurie if you're already being so cute to quickie. That is only fair.

[nullius]

For to find the causes of paranormal epiphenomena violating the laws of forum metaphysics, I have analyzed the most cryptic secrets of daemonology, uttered dark incantations, and hereby added red boldface (with the internal quote slightly fixed):

Quickseller alleges... I believe that anyone dealing with The-Devil is at a high risk
Support: Lauda, marlboroza, TMAN, Quickseller, hacker1001101001

Today my account has been converted to hell.

Witty comments are hereby superfluous. 😈

[—needs paraphrase—]

Bitcoin SV trusts The-Devil!

This is actually serious inquiry.  Some here have terrific abilities at investigating such things.  The trust and merit systems both provide intel on BSV shilling—and BSV shilling may provide leads on abuse of the trust and merit systems.

Cf.:

The Wright threads also make it really easy to identify many idiots and shills.  I think we're all made better off by having access to such a quick classifier of the character of our fellow posters.

I think this is a first, but please call me Laudie or Laura or Laurie if you're already being so cute to quickie. That is only fair.

Quickie question, Laura, do I get a cute name?  What am I, a nullity?

[Lauda]

[—needs paraphrase—]

Bitcoin SV trusts The-Devil!

This is actually serious inquiry.  Some here have terrific abilities at investigating such things.  The trust and merit systems both provide intel on BSV shilling—and BSV shilling may provide leads on abuse of the trust and merit systems.

That account owner is just bonkers. A lot of recent events make no sense.

Quickie question, Laura, do I get a cute name?  What am I, a nullity?

Why, of course. Nully.  

[nullius]

December 09, 2019, 04:27:47 PM - Raimond360 - woke up
December 10, 2019, 01:14:42 PM - MrEthics69 - woke up
December 10, 2019, 01:15:40 PM - alcoholboy - woke up
December 11, 2019, 04:10:31 AM - cavinn09 - woke up
December 11, 2019, 05:37:28 AM - Naazrul - woke up
December 11, 2019, 05:39:06 AM - Devid_warner - woke up

In homage to the Prince of Lies, “The-Devil alleges...” retaliatory flags:

Flag 1212 against PrimeNumber7: Support: alcoholboy, The-Devil, Devid_warner, cavinn09

Flag 1213 against Nandini_crypto: Support: alcoholboy, The-Devil, Devid_warner, cavinn09 [Edit: Fixed typo in flag number; link was correct; archive of original]

Currently, both are opposed by Lauda and me.

Bitcoin SV trusts The-Devil!

That account owner is just bonkers. A lot of recent events make no sense.

Well, at least it is consistent with my expectations of anybody promoting the BSV scam.

Quickie question, Laura, do I get a cute name?  What am I, a nullity?

Why, of course. Nully.  

The void is fulfilled!^*

* Self-contradicting ambiguity intended, in the sense of “filling a much-needed gap”. ;–)

[johhnyUA]

Bitcoin SV trusts The-Devil!

This is actually serious inquiry.  Some here have terrific abilities at investigating such things.  The trust and merit systems both provide intel on BSV shilling—and BSV shilling may provide leads on abuse of the trust and merit systems.

With high probability, Bitcoin SV is an alt of famous russian troll korner. So this fact doesn''t prove anything, while korner is enough artistic and ficle nature. He can add you to his trust list, for example 

[nullius]

So this fact doesn''t prove anything, while korner is enough artistic and ficle nature. He can add you to his trust list, for example 

Cf. false-flag operaitons, or in spamfighting, something called a “Joe job” based on a case in the 90s of a spammer taking revenge by sending spam that falsely appeared to originate from joes.com.

I am aware of that danger.  I meant no more than to more or less subtly hint that investigators should examine such things for leads—knowing that the leads may be salted with intentional disinformation.  Perhaps I was too subtle and too terse, out of a desire to avoid giving malicious parties instructions for how to avoid (or exploit) what I was trying to suggest.