What's in the game, after all?

[deisik]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

As the debates and discussions here clearly show, there are two major camps in respect to the question why people are gambling. The first camp claim that people gamble because they are looking for ways to earn money (something like the notorious "get rich fast" scheme). The other camp say there are as well people who gamble just for the fun of it (to be clear, they don't deny the monetary incentives of some, or most, of the players). Let's call such an attitude personal enjoyment as that seems to be the established term (you're welcome to come up with a different name for it)

To reassert, I'm not discarding the possibility that quite a few people may be looking into gambling as a source of easy money (whether it actually is, or can be, is another question), or that it can in fact be their primary incentive. But this topic is not about such people. In this topic I want to dissect and analyze the other group of gamblers (and their motivations), the one that is actually playing for its own sake, for personal enjoyment and entertainment. And here's the question (a few questions) to muse over while taking a break from rolling the dice

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling, or are there many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

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[Duzter]

Whether it is the one with the mind of earning out of gambling or the one preferring it is a source of entertainment mostly prefer Dice than any other games available with the casinos. Maybe this is based on the simplest way the game is being developed and the prediction possibility which when played with friends can create some fun moments. However gambling is all about money, and the real fun and entertainment happens when one makes a win when they didn't expect it. Another thing majority reveals that they Play for fun, but that isn't the truth.

[maydna]

I think personal enjoyment is one feeling inside us that only we will know because other people will not know how that feeling and that feeling will be different between other people. I don't have any feeling in gambling except for enjoying the moment I played because I don't have motives for financial.

When I play dice games, I want to release my free time because I don't know what I want to do, so I decide to play the dice game, and when I remember what I should do, I will close the browser and do what I remember. Although that will be a short time for me to playing a dice game, I am okay with that because I don't search for making money.

[Steamtyme]

I can't speak to most sites or what they have for visuals. I do imagine anyone who plays dice online likely started spinning slots irl. These machines are designed to induce a sense of sensory overload and pleasure. It keeps you coming back by using bright shiny flashy and loud stimulus to fake a sense of happiness and euphoria. Think about the way you felt walking through the midway at a carnival... everything is great. So I imagine the sites that players say they play the most on just for fun provide something similar.
The few times I played a plinko style game I thought it was similar I got to watch all the dice bouncing around and there was that edge of your seat anticipation if you could hit the big multiplier or not. I can't even remember if it was with real funds or simply a small faucet on the site. Either way it was small amounts but did provide that brief sense of enjoyment. With respect to dice, I didn't see the same ideas at play. There it was more about feeling like you could bring a strategy to play by changing around the multiplier... is that right, whatever it is to set your win/loss threshold for the role. 

[GreatArkansas]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone
(......)

For me, in gambling, it's not totally luck alone.
It also comes with your emotion doing in gambling, like in trading, has risk management.

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category?

Yeah, quite confusing this but for sure, it's totally something self pleasure when doing gambling, more entertaining our ownselfs

[andycarrol]

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category?

Yeah, quite confusing this but for sure, it's totally something self pleasure when doing gambling, more entertaining our ownselfs.

honestly I get pleasure when I play poker because I like strategy games, maybe the fun side of poker is that this game really doesn't depend on luck. but in other types of games such as pure luck, I don't get the pleasure of every play, in my opinion, only victory makes us happy. but it is indeed difficult to gauge the level of pleasure of others, maybe for them it is fun, and vice versa for me it's normal.

[Darker45]

Well, first and foremost, that "feeling in control of their fate" is never a reason. On the contrary, when gambling (at least as far as games of chance are concerned), that control is totally non-existent, unless you are setting the chances of winning to around 90%. But when I play dice, for example, I normally set it at 50%. The fun that comes from there is that out of that equal chances of winning and losing, if you turn out a winner, that somehow gives you a feeling that you are lucky. And since you (perhaps) love the metaphysical approach, it gives you the feeling that the universe is on your side. And that is fun; it gives you a light feeling.

Another could be the fun coming from going up against the house, which has an edge over you, and turning out the winner. Testing different strategies is also fun despite being aware deep inside that it won't succeed in the long run. Oftentimes it is already fun seeing that your new strategy is lasting more than the previous one.

Finally, during those hours when you seem to have nothing else to do and the seconds go very slow, rolling the dice is keeping you sane.

[Tipstar]

It's actually the nature of human. Though they know the risk, they want to take it. Life of people are getting dull and repetitive everyday. Online gambling is a new type of fight club.
The reward in gambling is more satisfying and once people get used to it, they don't care about the lose. The thrill, the excitement is what people after.

[Yatsan]

The gambling for fun for me or the "personal enjoyment" type of gambling is when I go out with my friends and have fun at the casino or on some low-class gambling place. It's more like bonding time with my friends as we gamble our money at a casino, or if we play billiards, betting who would win on that game. Personally, gambling for my friends and me is one way to get together and have fun.

If we compare it to online gambling, which I am going to play solo, I think it's one way to enjoy myself just like watching a movie on cinema or something. I don't know how to describe it, but I enjoy playing poker, and I enjoy the thrill in every game. I think when you are going to categorize playing for fun and playing to earn, it's more personal for me. Because it depends on the people on what purpose they are gambling or are they just playing for fun.

[Blackdeath]

In my own personal opinion, if a person is looking for a game, he should pick the games that he is good at while having fun that he is not only preferring on winning by chance that he should also prefer in making strategy like playing poker, baccarat, pusoy or also known as chinese poker. Playing a dice ia all about chances and prediction, so i think everybody can play it, but playing card games like poker, baccarat and pusoy not everybody can play it.

[Wexnident]

There's this kind of thrill involved when playing gambling games. You know, how like you're waiting for the end result and you've already set your choices ahead. Some feel that kind of thrill which is true at times, but honestly, the way gamblers enjoy the game is pretty simple. They don't treat it as a "gamble". They treat it as a "game". See, gambling games are games in a sense, but because of the money involved, a lot of factors are taken into account, making the decision making way too strenuous and serious, which seriously undermines the definition of what a "game" is supposed to be, which is for fun.

[deisik]

Well, first and foremost, that "feeling in control of their fate" is never a reason. On the contrary, when gambling (at least as far as games of chance are concerned), that control is totally non-existent, unless you are setting the chances of winning to around 90%

But I'm not talking about reason here

It is more about feeling that way, i.e. feeling all-powerful, supreme, and godlike. We can't tame luck but when we win after losing, we feel like we are finally able to, even if for a brief moment. Indeed, this is all false objectively. But what we feel can't be fake or false subjectively, i.e. how we actually experience it. We are made to trust our feelings. Technically, this is how our brains are wired. That's also the reason why there are so many scams and frauds out there because they appeal directly to emotion which obfuscates and clouds our reason

But when I play dice, for example, I normally set it at 50%. The fun that comes from there is that out of that equal chances of winning and losing, if you turn out a winner, that somehow gives you a feeling that you are lucky. And since you (perhaps) love the metaphysical approach, it gives you the feeling that the universe is on your side. And that is fun; it gives you a light feeling

But that's what I'm talking about. You understandably feel good, but what is that feeling good made of? If you get the feeling that the universe is on your side, doesn't it mean that you are controlling your chances, i.e. things bending to your will and happening how you envisage them?

[Red_Evil]

Yes, there's no such skill on gambling, at leats we have control to get drive how the money be flow. Back to purpose what the gambler deal for. Everyone have many things to deal with gambling, that must be include "personal enjoyment" "purely financial", or probably "both".
"Personal enjoyment" : It's talking about thrill between games and gambler. Then really didn't care about risk on financial.
"Purely financial" : It's possible happend, but that is wrong way to think get change of life with wishing could catch up the jackpots.
"both" meant to, some people could be mature to aware the risk of gambling. so when gambler do gambling they wish could get amusement accompanied get a money as the rewards.

[Lecam]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

As the debates and discussions here clearly show, there are two major camps in respect to the question why people are gambling. The first camp claim that people gamble because they are looking for ways to earn money (something like the "get rich fast" scheme). The other camp say there are as well people who gamble just for the fun of it (to be clear, they don't deny the monetary incentives of some, or most, of the players). Let's call such an attitude personal enjoyment as that seems to be the established term (but you're welcome to come with a different name for it)

To reassert, I'm not discarding the possibility that quite a few people may be looking into gambling as a source of easy money (whether it actually is or can be is another question), or that it can in fact be their primary incentive. But this topic is not about such people. In this topic I want to dissect and analyze the other group of gamblers (and their motivations), the one that is actually playing for its own sake, for personal enjoyment and entertainment. And here's the question (a few questions) to muse over while taking a break from rolling the dice

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling or there are many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

True there are 2 ways to gamble first is to win money to earn second is for fun to those who need to relax by gambling. 2 ways but most of all they gamble for them to win money and to earn an easg money in gambling. But many people are fall because instead of winning they are become addicted until the all money are get lose.

[NavI_027]

"both" meant to, some people could be mature to aware the risk of gambling. so when gambler do gambling they wish could get amusement accompanied get a money as the rewards.

If you're not earning even a 5 digit salary or the worse part is that you're only a minimum wage earner then stick with this mindset. Why settle for entertainment alone if you can have a chance of making not only yout soul happy but also your pocket . Some of you might asked why I didn't consider gambling as main financial source, that's because of instability — you're feeling like a millionaire today but feel beggar tomorrow. If you only seek for money then find it anywhere else (choose business and employment), gambling is not the best place for it. Always mind the lessons you get from "riches to rags" stories.

[virasog]

"both" meant to, some people could be mature to aware the risk of gambling. so when gambler do gambling they wish could get amusement accompanied get a money as the rewards.

If you're not earning even a 5 digit salary or the worse part is that you're only a minimum wage earner then stick with this mindset. Why settle for entertainment alone if you can have a chance of making not only yout soul happy but also your pocket . Some of you might asked why I didn't consider gambling as main financial source, that's because of instability — you're feeling like a millionaire today but feel beggar tomorrow. If you only seek for money then find it anywhere else (choose business and employment), gambling is not the best place for it. Always mind the lessons you get from "riches to rags" stories.

There are very few stories where the gamblers won a lottery or a very big amount, which changed their lives. We should not refer to those examples when thinking of earning money from gambling. The reality is that there are many examples where the rich and middle class persons have lost all their wealth and become hand to mouth, only by losing everything in gambling.
Gambling is a very risky game which can make your life miserable, if you do not limit yourself.

[Red_Evil]

"both" meant to, some people could be mature to aware the risk of gambling. so when gambler do gambling they wish could get amusement accompanied get a money as the rewards.

If you're not earning even a 5 digit salary or the worse part is that you're only a minimum wage earner then stick with this mindset. Why settle for entertainment alone if you can have a chance of making not only yout soul happy but also your pocket . Some of you might asked why I didn't consider gambling as main financial source, that's because of instability — you're feeling like a millionaire today but feel beggar tomorrow. If you only seek for money then find it anywhere else (choose business and employment), gambling is not the best place for it. Always mind the lessons you get from "riches to rags" stories.

Personally I do gambling for both not meant money are major, I didn't explain about gambling are good way to healing financial, but I talking about you can have a chance "rewards" also entertainment yourself.
What is kind statistic or border about under 5 digit salary are bad things?

[LogitechMouse]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling.

I always say that people are gambling for personal enjoyment or fun but on the other hand, what if they lose their money will they feel the enjoyment that they want to feel?? There are many ways for the people to gain this personal enjoyment. You can get enjoyment when you play online games or travel with your family. You can gain enjoyment when you play arcade games in malls or drink with your friends.

[panganib999]

But that's what I'm talking about. You understandably feel good, but what is that feeling good made of? If you get the feeling that the universe is on your side, doesn't it mean that you are controlling your chances, i.e. things bending to your will and happening how you envisage them?

Not answering on his stead, but kind of yes. It's a very stupid feeling, like you can actually say, "The world is in the palm of my hands" kind of thing? See, not saying for others but for me, My sense of satisfaction is actually pretty easy to sate. Just let someone sing praises for me like every now and then, and I'd actually blow my horn about it all the time. I guess that's how gambling games are made so that they can entice more people to play. The sense of satisfaction you get is one that you rarely obtain because well, lets be honest, who wins every time in gambling right? So when you do, there's this feeling of euphoria or something similar

[robelneo]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

There's really nothing at all, I am playing to have some fun, I just want to fulfill my inner longings to have some excitement, it's on my feeing we just want to have a stress reliever that's all I'm not also playing because it is a routine, I just play when I want to and where my time allows, I just don't want to define how I play and why I play.

[thisappointed]

But when I play dice, for example, I normally set it at 50%. The fun that comes from there is that out of that equal chances of winning and losing, if you turn out a winner, that somehow gives you a feeling that you are lucky. And since you (perhaps) love the metaphysical approach, it gives you the feeling that the universe is on your side. And that is fun; it gives you a light feeling

But that's what I'm talking about. You understandably feel good, but what is that feeling good made of? If you get the feeling that the universe is on your side, doesn't it mean that you are controlling your chances, i.e. things bending to your will and happening how you envisage them?

I guess that feeling was made of your pride, on how much you wanted to win and as much you don't want to lose, it is all about the satisfaction we feel every time we achieved what we wanted, when it goes all well according to our plan. Maybe we called it all "Luck" but it is more than that, it is deeper beyond our talents so we can't believe we made it, sometimes.

And we could also called it "happiness" or "bliss" which is the extreme satisfaction we got in our life that cause us too much good feelings towards something.

[DaftAjax]

<....>

Most of the time gambling is based on chance, even Poker, that requires skill to win, is dependent on the chance, in dice too--need some kind of "strategy" per se. I am not a gambler myself, at least not by money that is.

Personally, they are only saying it for the sake of enjoyment because they feel the same way when smoking, drinking, etc. in scientific terms, when our body releases dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins which triggers happiness. And I would guarantee that this only happens when they win, on a streak per se. But this could also branch in another way if they're serious about gambling if they want to earn money by gambling and not just "for the sake of entertainment". And I guess addiction triggers my first statement, but the happiness of winning is not always the cause of addiction, sometimes it happens when we're frustrated even when determined.

This is my take for now.

[doomistake]

<....>

Most of the time gambling is based on chance, even Poker, that requires skill to win, is dependent on the chance, in dice too--need some kind of "strategy" per se. I am not a gambler myself, at least not by money that is.

We can't really separate the chances we are getting in gambling to our skills, without it, skills are nothing, imagine yourself playing poker, and you are a professional gambler but you don't have any chances of getting the right cards to win the prize, that so fucked up, right? And the one in DICE, you don't need a strategy for a pure luck game like DICE, I will understand if it's poker, cause in DICE, it is all random like don't have any patterns like in poker.

[audaciousbeing]

The simple answer is that there is no one who would say is gambling for fun without an inherent motive of wanting to make money out of it. Let's even leave dice alone and move to sports betting. A lot of people I know that hides under the "fun" cotton are the people that put in the money they can afford to lose and not some money that could send them to depression really fast but then aside the fact that its "fun" they are already calculating on how much richer they would be should the game turn in their favor at the same time ready to curse out any team responsible for cutting their ticket.

[deisik]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win

There are many ways for the people to gain this personal enjoyment. You can get enjoyment when you play online games or travel with your family. You can gain enjoyment when you play arcade games in malls or drink with your friends

That's the whole point. There are many ways that provide personal enjoyment (or state of bliss), but it is not something which comes on its own, with the implication being that there should necessarily be something else, an assumption or belief, which makes this process possible in the first place

[lionheart78]

For me personal enjoyment is seeing my choices right and seeing the sum of my bankroll increasing.  Aside from that, hitting the jackpot also put joy in me, thinking that there is a huge possibility that I will not hit that jackpot and yet I won.

[acdc]

Each of us has a separate thought about gambling. I personally gamble to my satisfaction, I never hope that I can make money from gambling. The thrill in each gamble stimulates me and helps me relieve the stress of a long day at work.
Excluding professional gamblers, I don't think that anyone can control their fate in gambling, it's all a matter of luck.

[livingfree]

Satisfaction I guess. That's the feeling aside from personal enjoyment, we're satisfied as we gamble while getting that enjoyable moment and we don't care if we win or lose because any from that is already expected to happen.

Little or big, we have that feeling that we're getting that success from those gains that we get as we enjoy. And if we tend to lose, as long as we're satisfied and we're "close" to win that last roll that's enough to say that at least we've tried and enjoyed at the same time.

[bobyhodob]

to relieve stress with games after working a full day
and I'm quite happy because I can pay almost all of my bills with daily gambling wins

[maydna]

to relieve stress with games after working a full day
and I'm quite happy because I can pay almost all of my bills with daily gambling wins

As long as you can manage your money, and you know that you should quit gambling after you can reduce the stress, that can help you to relieve stress. But if you cannot control yourself, then you can get more stress in gambling because you will see that your emotion and tension become higher. Once it becomes higher, you can lose everything that you have without you realize.

You should be careful because not every day you can win from gambling, and you should not depend on gambling to fills your daily needs.

[KnightElite]

Satisfaction I guess. That's the feeling aside from personal enjoyment, we're satisfied as we gamble while getting that enjoyable moment and we don't care if we win or lose because any from that is already expected to happen.

Little or big, we have that feeling that we're getting that success from those gains that we get as we enjoy. And if we tend to lose, as long as we're satisfied and we're "close" to win that last roll that's enough to say that at least we've tried and enjoyed at the same time.

One of the reasons why I am playing gambling is to reach the level of the satisfaction that I keep seeking. I see gambling as for fun, enjoyment and also as source of income. I do not care if I lose because I have proper risks management, I know that my money is have no guarantee in gambling but I keep improving my skills and strategies to become a better gambler.

[Oilacris]

Satisfaction I guess. That's the feeling aside from personal enjoyment, we're satisfied as we gamble while getting that enjoyable moment and we don't care if we win or lose because any from that is already expected to happen.

Little or big, we have that feeling that we're getting that success from those gains that we get as we enjoy. And if we tend to lose, as long as we're satisfied and we're "close" to win that last roll that's enough to say that at least we've tried and enjoyed at the same time.

Its just correlated yet you're seeking for personal enjoyment because you do like to be satisfy with leisure needs.

Each person do differ when it comes to true motives when it comes to gambling but most common would be earning money aside from enjoyment.
Its just in person if they do push harder on things that they would like to achieve.

[Reatim]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

it is more than just enjoyment for me,sometimes i feel fulfilling mate when you won yourself against greediness ?when you have learn that in Gambling there is no winning but losses?(i am not saying specifically because there are some who made a living in gambling and there are also some who wins in some times)what i am trying to say is the majority lose and only few are winning.so better find enjoyment on this that gaining money.

[fortunecrypto]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

My specific is accepting the reality that you cannot win in gambling their something in gambling that will give you enjoyment like when your favorite team just won by a point, but in gambling you have control, and you accept the reality that after you used all the funds allocated you are back to reality that you have a life and a job to face.

[shoreno]

dice is not a game of luck many have said  . that is the reason why dice came up with so many guides , tricks and strategies to beat the house and win the game.  there was a proof for that and have see many pro and veteran gamblers win the game with thier account showed up ( not hidden ) because hidden are sometimes un believable.  but for the game that is only fun and not involved skills or profit , i prefer casino based games like plinko, slots and cards .

[btc78]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

My specific is accepting the reality that you cannot win in gambling their something in gambling that will give you enjoyment like when your favorite team just won by a point, but in gambling you have control, and you accept the reality that after you used all the funds allocated you are back to reality that you have a life and a job to face.

well it seems that you are in sportsbetting mate?and that is what more enjoyable in that area of gambling because we are totally enjoying why having a chance to win.

in past i am not a fan of sports betting because i love upfront betting with instant outcome but now?it is sports that making me enjoy each gambling i made.

[semobo]

We don't have control over the results of such games and that is actually quite interesting and exciting while playing.I feel that time gap of rolling dice would be the entertainment which is feel of adrenaline rush whether we will get our desired result or not, and also expectancy of making money from bet also that fun part but expecting to win for sure will make people to be addicted.

[Ahimoth]

Satisfaction I guess. That's the feeling aside from personal enjoyment, we're satisfied as we gamble while getting that enjoyable moment and we don't care if we win or lose because any from that is already expected to happen.

Little or big, we have that feeling that we're getting that success from those gains that we get as we enjoy. And if we tend to lose, as long as we're satisfied and we're "close" to win that last roll that's enough to say that at least we've tried and enjoyed at the same time.

Its just correlated yet you're seeking for personal enjoyment because you do like to be satisfy with leisure needs.

Each person do differ when it comes to true motives when it comes to gambling but most common would be earning money aside from enjoyment.
Its just in person if they do push harder on things that they would like to achieve.

Efforts will gain the outcome after all and it's our definite desires to aim if we're constant with our actions. We will be successful in the end as long as we do it by faith. Don't rely from others experience, or rather make it as your motivations to pursue harder.

[deisik]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

There's really nothing at all, I am playing to have some fun, I just want to fulfill my inner longings to have some excitement, it's on my feeing we just want to have a stress reliever that's all I'm not also playing because it is a routine, I just play when I want to and where my time allows, I just don't want to define how I play and why I play.

There should be something. I've been thinking about it, and now as a step forward and toward the resolution of the questions raised in the OP, I came up with a simple reality check. That is, if it was really nothing at all, and you just wanted to fulfill your inner longings to have some excitement, why would you not use a gambling bot like Seuntjies DiceBot using it for that purpose in test mode only, i.e. without actually gambling and losing anything? If it were only for fun, why don't you run it instead of gambling in a real casino, most likely losing money there?

This is a question for all

[Ucy]

Whether it is the one with the mind of earning out of gambling or the one preferring it is a source of entertainment mostly prefer Dice than any other games available with the casinos. Maybe this is based on the simplest way the game is being developed and the prediction possibility which when played with friends can create some fun moments. However gambling is all about money, and the real fun and entertainment happens when one makes a win when they didn't expect it. Another thing majority reveals that they Play for fun, but that isn't the truth.

It's probably not very true, otherwise they would be playing thesame games for free or without money on gaming platforms or on their mobile devices/computers. There are lots of games people can actually enjoy playing without gambling or risking something valuable aside their time(& computer hardware).

[Pmalek]

I don't think there is such a thing as playing ONLY for entertainment. Everyone likes to win, it is just a matter of how much is enough for you!
I don't gamble because I expect I will get rich and never have to go to work again. The chances are below minimum that will happen. I am perfectly fine winning a little bit and buying myself a piece of clothing or just a dinner. I see gambling as a salary supplement.

[imstillthebest]

I see gambling as a salary supplement.

gambling as a salary suplement ? i think i have tried that before .

i dont work but i play gambling but good thing i win some and the winning is equivalent to what i earn on my job for one day  but some other days i cant win but the sad part is that im absent on my job.  its still not good at all to subsititute gambling  as working.   

[deisik]

I don't think there is such a thing as playing ONLY for entertainment. Everyone likes to win, it is just a matter of how much is enough for you!

So you admit that you belong to the first camp

I mean, the ones who claim that everyone who is gambling is looking for profit (at the end of the day), i.e. there is always a profit-earning incentive involved even with the games of chance (what gambling is essentially all about). I for one don't think so as there are strong and valid reasons as well as reliable and confirmatory evidence to believe that it is not always the case and further from truth than many of us are inclined to assume

For example, it is a universally accepted view that due to the house edge, you are set to lose in the long run. However, there are people who have been gambling years on end with small amounts, and given that they have been losing money all this time, you wouldn't really expect them to be looking for profits as this assumption implies these individuals are irrational bordering on outright insane (unless they are looking for something else, of course)

[stadus]

I don't think there is such a thing as playing ONLY for entertainment. Everyone likes to win, it is just a matter of how much is enough for you!
I don't gamble because I expect I will get rich and never have to go to work again. The chances are below minimum that will happen. I am perfectly fine winning a little bit and buying myself a piece of clothing or just a dinner. I see gambling as a salary supplement.

Saying that we are only playing for entertainment could be a good excuse for losers, lol...
I would say that to people who doesn't really know me well but to people who know me, they know that I gamble, I lose and I also experience some struggle. Everyone of us are gambling for money who doesn't, right? although we say that we gamble for entertainment but winning really gives entertainment to gamblers, so in short, in order to win we need to be entertainment, but in the end since majority of gamblers loses, we just have to convince ourselves that "it's okay to lose as long as we are having fun".

[Janation]

To be honest I don't know.

My parents raised me and always warned me about gambling since my surroundings are related to gambling. When I started to get matured, I grew fond of watching these lucky videos and end up watching a professional poker player named Nicky Numbers talking about luck and skill. After that, I end up watching lucky replays of players and want to try that myself. I did lose in gambling to be honest, I am not addicted, deep inside of me, I want to win and also, I want to feel the same feeling those players did when they win. Now, I dropped that and just wasting my time getting satoshis on faucets and use different kinds of strategies.

[nakamura12]

It is indeed correct about why people gamble. There is another for that and that is for excitement. Some people you think they may be a gambling addict but that's not it. You may ask different people and their answers won't always be looking for fun and earn money but also looking for excitement, thrill and more.

[FlightyPouch]

I am at the first camp. Well, in the past I am addicted to gambling and without the help of my wife, I might still be addicted today, luckily I have her. I realized that Im not just wanting the money for myself but also to my family since everytime that I win, I usually treat my family into something nice. I want to provide for my family and gambling gave me that experience, but it is gambling so there are a lot of times I've also lost.

[Assface16678]

I am at the first camp. Well, in the past I am addicted to gambling and without the help of my wife, I might still be addicted today, luckily I have her. I realized that Im not just wanting the money for myself but also to my family since everytime that I win, I usually treat my family into something nice. I want to provide for my family and gambling gave me that experience, but it is gambling so there are a lot of times I've also lost.

In playing gambling even, we can experience still the goal is to win our game and most of the crucial part when we are earning a lot of money is are we still going to play and win a lot of money again. Some people have good knowledge and skills in playing gambling games, and they are using this to take advantage of their opponents. This is a good strategy to have momentum for earning because once they feel that it is their time to make it will continue having a bit of luck, but if you know you cannot play anymore. It gives a lot of profit better to save it and don't carried away on your emotions for being greed.

[Shimmiry]

It is indeed correct about why people gamble. There is another for that and that is for excitement. Some people you think they may be a gambling addict but that's not it. You may ask different people and their answers won't always be looking for fun and earn money but also looking for excitement, thrill and more.

Addiction is gambling's side effect. People gamble mostly for amusement and self-satisfaction, that gambling is their own way to earn with fun and enjoyment. Then those leads them to addiction. Some might be confused of "looking for excitement" which is just a prolonged phrase for fun. There's no other reason as it only requires luck and a little strategy.

[ralle14]

I'm also with the first camp, gambling mostly to win or make a profit out of it then enjoying the situation comes next. But at one point I feel like i've been to the second camp for a very small amount of time because of how long i've been gambling. For me this feeling of enjoyment came from the people who I was able to hang out on the chat while playing in that casino. It felt like they became my friends and others might be on the same page. I know there's other ways to make friends but the experience is always different to some people.

[Sterbens]

I am at the first camp. Well, in the past I am addicted to gambling and without the help of my wife, I might still be addicted today, luckily I have her. I realized that Im not just wanting the money for myself but also to my family since everytime that I win, I usually treat my family into something nice. I want to provide for my family and gambling gave me that experience, but it is gambling so there are a lot of times I've also lost.

Many people gamble it is for fun and it is indeed true, they want to relieve their stress by gambling and then have fun when there is a victory.
But it is difficult if you are addicted to gambling, it will be risky when you don't have it, while gambling becomes a necessity if you have become addicted, that's where we have to be able to control ourselves so that it is not like that.
Gambling is a good thing to do with the right time and your concentration is bright.

[DaftAjax]

We can't really separate the chances we are getting in gambling to our skills, without it, skills are nothing, imagine yourself playing poker, and you are a professional gambler but you don't have any chances of getting the right cards to win the prize, that so fucked up, right? And the one in DICE, you don't need a strategy for a pure luck game like DICE, I will understand if it's poker, cause in DICE, it is all random like don't have any patterns like in poker.

The strategy I'm talking about is not the way you cast your DICE, because obviously it's a pure chance (probability). But what I want to point out is how you would spread your bet on the board. Tho I said I am not a gambler myself, well, I've seen some dice games in casinos. And they don't just bet on random numbers.

[Fundamentals Of]

We can't really separate the chances we are getting in gambling to our skills, without it, skills are nothing, imagine yourself playing poker, and you are a professional gambler but you don't have any chances of getting the right cards to win the prize, that so fucked up, right? And the one in DICE, you don't need a strategy for a pure luck game like DICE, I will understand if it's poker, cause in DICE, it is all random like don't have any patterns like in poker.

The strategy I'm talking about is not the way you cast your DICE, because obviously it's a pure chance (probability). But what I want to point out is how you would spread your bet on the board. Tho I said I am not a gambler myself, well, I've seen some dice games in casinos. And they don't just bet on random numbers.

Many are actually betting on random numbers. Perhaps the only basis people may use in choosing which numbers to bet are the previous winning numbers or patterns. Other than that, you can also use some strategies in betting amount. But at the end of the day, it all boils down to luck.

[DevilSlayer]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

[Baby Dragon]

It is indeed correct about why people gamble. There is another for that and that is for excitement. Some people you think they may be a gambling addict but that's not it. You may ask different people and their answers won't always be looking for fun and earn money but also looking for excitement, thrill and more.

It's because we have different perspectives and mindsets, you can't expect people having the same mindset as you like thinking that they gamble for the sake of money. Those people who are gets addicted in gambling are the people who don't know how to control themselves, they don't even know their own limitations that's why they end up feeling remorse but still trying to continue doing the same mistake because they don't understand the difference between gambling for fund and having a gambling problem. Though you can experience all of it in gambling, it's just that you can't guarantee that you will always win the game because gambling can't assure you nothing but you feel the excitement when you are waiting for the outcomes of your decisions and fun because you're able to play and enjoy your day.

[michellee]

I am at the first camp. Well, in the past I am addicted to gambling and without the help of my wife, I might still be addicted today, luckily I have her. I realized that Im not just wanting the money for myself but also to my family since everytime that I win, I usually treat my family into something nice. I want to provide for my family and gambling gave me that experience, but it is gambling so there are a lot of times I've also lost.

Many people gamble it is for fun and it is indeed true, they want to relieve their stress by gambling and then have fun when there is a victory.
But it is difficult if you are addicted to gambling, it will be risky when you don't have it, while gambling becomes a necessity if you have become addicted, that's where we have to be able to control ourselves so that it is not like that.
Gambling is a good thing to do with the right time and your concentration is bright.

If they only use gambling as for fun, they can relieve their stress, but remember that if that person playing gambling for more than 30 minutes, and he got lose half of his money, he will become stress because I see that is happening to many people. But if he can treat gambling as well, then there is nothing to worry with that person because he can really use gambling as a reliever. It's different if that person is addicted to gambling because that will makes him try playing gambling more and more without stopping.

[Reatim]

We can't really separate the chances we are getting in gambling to our skills, without it, skills are nothing, imagine yourself playing poker, and you are a professional gambler but you don't have any chances of getting the right cards to win the prize, that so fucked up, right? And the one in DICE, you don't need a strategy for a pure luck game like DICE, I will understand if it's poker, cause in DICE, it is all random like don't have any patterns like in poker.

The strategy I'm talking about is not the way you cast your DICE, because obviously it's a pure chance (probability). But what I want to point out is how you would spread your bet on the board. Tho I said I am not a gambler myself, well, I've seen some dice games in casinos. And they don't just bet on random numbers.

i think it is not right to argue about things here mate since you have admitted not being a Gambler so you have different opinion in each matter while gambling relies on their own experiences ,it is easy to say a word that we think is right while the truth is there is more appropriate that what we know.

so in this i take what Doomstake says as he seems to be more knowledgeable about gambling and for me as not totally gambler(but has experience since i play when i have a chance) dice is pure luck so what matter you spreads your bet yet luck will decide if you will catch some wins or not.

[swogerino]

I think there is the willingness to deceive yourself.Every time we lose in a slot machine we get sad but soon after we forget about it and our mind starts to think differently,we think that it was just bad luck and this time we are going to win a lot of money from that slot machine.However this is almost never the case as we end up losing more and more money but that thinking is what brings us back to gambling.

[peter0425]

I think there is the willingness to deceive yourself.Every time we lose in a slot machine we get sad but soon after we forget about it and our mind starts to think differently,we think that it was just bad luck and this time we are going to win a lot of money from that slot machine.However this is almost never the case as we end up losing more and more money but that thinking is what brings us back to gambling.

i may agree on this but willingness about what?to play?or to lose?or to accept the reality?there are some factors that we might consider having willingness in gambling.

because at one point this brings me to bad gambling habit when i willingly admit that losing is what i will get in gambling yet i continuously played.

but willingness also help me to get out,and that is willingness to admit that this must be enjoyable and not profitable.

[watergold]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

[Reatim]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

can you state some skills or strategy when playing Slot machines?or even in Dice and Roulette ?also Bingo?if there then can you share us as we are in need to have one?this games are Pure Luck games and  skills don't need in specifically .

I think there is the willingness to deceive yourself.Every time we lose in a slot machine we get sad but soon after we forget about it and our mind starts to think differently,we think that it was just bad luck and this time we are going to win a lot of money from that slot machine.However this is almost never the case as we end up losing more and more money but that thinking is what brings us back to gambling.

maybe the best word to use is Fooling ourselves?when at first we are reacting as we are being a loser and wanted to forget about playing  but after a while coming back to table and trying luck again?

[iv4n]

Well tron gambling made some nice changes in gambling industry. I started with wink, now I gamble most of the time on betfury. I started strong with 100 dollars deposits and higher, I made nice amount of their divs and now I get payouts every day from that, they have cashback too, higher the level you are higher the cashback is. But I'm not here to promote this site, I wish to say why I find this casino more interesting than others.
So with the lowest bets on tron, you can bet on some games starting with 0.1 trx. That is a nice thing, I play dices, plinko, roulette, and some other games literally every day, slowly I am making more divs, I have some little cash back, the lowest possible bets allows me to play some progressive martingale.
I get payouts from divs, I am slowly making more everyday, I have fun with the games I like. For me it's a period of chilling, I will gamble with higher amounts when I feel that moment is there, but point is you don't need a huge bankroll to have fun with gambling and to try to earn something, beauty is in that you can combine something you like to do and that to bring you some financial benefit.

[DaftAjax]

i think it is not right to argue about things here mate since you have admitted not being a Gambler so you have different opinion in each matter while gambling relies on their own experiences ,it is easy to say a word that we think is right while the truth is there is more appropriate that what we know.

so in this i take what Doomstake says as he seems to be more knowledgeable about gambling and for me as not totally gambler(but has experience since i play when i have a chance) dice is pure luck so what matter you spreads your bet yet luck will decide if you will catch some wins or not.

I apologize, you should've seen my last comment:

I am not a gambler myself, at least not by money that is.

Well, mate, you see I don't believe in luck. This may come as a shock but "experience" isn't always the best thing to justify what is wrong or what is right. Besides, I'm just proving a point. But then again, have you heard of the term craps(?), and if I'm not wrong it's one of the most common you can find in casinos. Well, you see, there is craps strategy. And turns out it works just fine, you should check it out.

[livingfree]

Satisfaction I guess. That's the feeling aside from personal enjoyment, we're satisfied as we gamble while getting that enjoyable moment and we don't care if we win or lose because any from that is already expected to happen.

Little or big, we have that feeling that we're getting that success from those gains that we get as we enjoy. And if we tend to lose, as long as we're satisfied and we're "close" to win that last roll that's enough to say that at least we've tried and enjoyed at the same time.

One of the reasons why I am playing gambling is to reach the level of the satisfaction that I keep seeking. I see gambling as for fun, enjoyment and also as source of income. I do not care if I lose because I have proper risks management, I know that my money is have no guarantee in gambling but I keep improving my skills and strategies to become a better gambler.

If every gambler does have this understanding, I think no one will cry for their losses and instead will share the valuable lessons that he/she learned from the experience that was made because of the search for one's "satisfaction".

While you know the risk that gambling will give you, any reason why you gamble is suitable because that's the first thing that you need to know. You must be aware that losing is likely anytime.

[Rosilito]

A question that in the first look was quite easy to answer but the moment you clearly think on what really the reason behind why you are gambling the question became harder and harder. Sorry in advance, sir if my answer seem inappropriate but I think the reason why I do such thing is that I am used to do it, and I find it a temporary source of generating even a little amount of income. Here's the short flash back, back when I was a kid when I used to go nearby places who at the same age of mine search someone who knew how to play basketball battling with a bet in a middle usually money (PHP 20/per person) so x5 with a total amount of (PHP 100 as a team), bet would depend upon the agreement of both teams sometimes it goes with a 1 liter bottle of soda/softdrinks. Bottom line here, is that it might not be the same as gambling betting then rolling a dice but it is still a gambling thing. I just got shifted from basketball to real world gambling. So may be I find gambling likely when I was playing basketball way back then.

[Meowth05]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies. I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning.

[AicecreaME]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

A player doesn't always have both, either he only have skills or luck, but if he have both, then damn, he must have a lot of fortune making happening in gambling everyday of his life. My point is, people are risking their money in the line in the world of gambling to gain experience, to figure out if they could really make money out of it by playing games in gambling sites, which is a good start, but...

if they have the same mindset like you, they would automatically lose their money everyday because of that "there must be an effort to get that luck" thing you have said, because seriously, that is why it is called, it happens unexpectedly without you doing nothing at all.

[Yatsan]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies.

As for some games, all you need is a great luck in order to win however when talking about online gambling especially card or table games luck isn't the main thing you should possess when gambling but the skill and critical thinking for strategic moves. There are fortune based games, skill based games and games that needs both luck and skill. We'll be talking a lot if we consider talking in scientific basis.

I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning.

Experiences helps since you already stepped on that side of the road you should already know where the next step is, but it doesn't always go like that. Luck may come from nowhere but skill will be based on your knowledge.

[FLoving]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies. I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning.

But there are many games in gambling in which you just need to learn them and after that all of the game depend on luck. Just like a lottery. When you like to participate in a lottery then you will ask from a person to tell you that how to participate in lottery and they will teach you but after that not that person and neither your skills will help you to win the lottery but only your luck can make you win. While there are other games like sports betting you can win with your skills.

[MyIdeas]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

You are right in your point of view as if a person do not have skills in gambling then they do not have to think that they will ever win in gambling. So before you want to enter in gambling better is that to get lessons from experienced gamblers from them you will learn everything very soon. While if you are unable to learn the skills of gambling or you cannot win then do not spend much of your money in gambling.

[crwth]

I do think everyone knows that there's a minuscule chance that you could win the jackpot in gambling. There's nothing you could say or do that could change that because casino owners want profit, and they would want people to be investing in their business, right? Anyways, there's no good reason why you should gamble. It's not going to be answered honestly, too (if they were addicts.) I love gambling when there's a challenge that you could do and have the opportunity to capitalize on it, but there should always be the limit you are willing to take.

I'm just curious as to why this topic has been created because I'm not questioning why I play games though. Maybe the root cause of addiction? Perhaps you know someone who experienced this type?

[Fundamentals Of]

I do think everyone knows that there's a minuscule chance that you could win the jackpot in gambling. There's nothing you could say or do that could change that because casino owners want profit, and they would want people to be investing in their business, right? Anyways, there's no good reason why you should gamble. It's not going to be answered honestly, too (if they were addicts.) I love gambling when there's a challenge that you could do and have the opportunity to capitalize on it, but there should always be the limit you are willing to take.

I'm just curious as to why this topic has been created because I'm not questioning why I play games though. Maybe the root cause of addiction? Perhaps you know someone who experienced this type?

No, there's always a good reason why you should gamble. If there is a reason for you to love gambling then that reason itself is good enough for you to gamble again, if not tomorrow then certainly in the future. But if the fun that you feel and enjoy in gambling could be felt and experienced elsewhere where money is not lost, then I would probably not gamble again. So far, it seems there is a unique feeling of fun when gambling that may not be found elsewhere.

[michellee]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies. I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning.

How about the gambling games that are pure with luck like dice games, lottery, and else? I think we really depend on luck to win the games because we see that many gamblers cannot win in those games. If you want to have a chance to win, then maybe you need to play gambling that is not based on luck. You can play sports betting, card, which will use experience, knowledge, strategies to win so your chance to win will be bigger. But you should have a place that you can use to gather the information that will be needed to select the teams.

[AniviaBtc]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

There's really nothing at all, I am playing to have some fun, I just want to fulfill my inner longings to have some excitement, it's on my feeing we just want to have a stress reliever that's all I'm not also playing because it is a routine, I just play when I want to and where my time allows, I just don't want to define how I play and why I play.

Maybe some of them rely on the happiness of playing betting games because they see it as their source of enjoyment. It can also entertain you to forget your problems, and focus yourself how to become relaxed and relieve your stress. There's nothing more with the games, it's just pure entertainment and contentment. It depends if you always lose, it may increase your stress and anxiety. But be careful on playing games in gambling.

[Casdinyard]

So far, it seems there is a unique feeling of fun when gambling that may not be found elsewhere.

And even ourselves can't explain this even we want to. In the back of our subconscious mind there is something that tingling us to play and play. Perhaps, this question should be answer by a psychiatrist so he/she can enlighten us since all we can say is " we just want to ". Simple as that and game concept is just a factor.

[imstillthebest]

So far, it seems there is a unique feeling of fun when gambling that may not be found elsewhere.

And even ourselves can't explain this even we want to. In the back of our subconscious mind there is something that tingling us to play and play. Perhaps, this question should be answer by a psychiatrist so he/she can enlighten us since all we can say is " we just want to ". Simple as that and game concept is just a factor.

its called dopamine they say which causes us to keep coming back on one thing or to become addicted  .

we ourselves can research more further if we want to know how to cure it or prevent it  but its always better to call a physical help or a mental help from the experts  so that they can prescribe us the right kind of drugs or dosage if the problem is now severe  . 

[deisik]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Of course luck alone is not enough to drive us to victory. We also need to do something, gain experience, aquire more skills and have strategies. I cannot remove the fact that gambling is all about luck but we shouldn't not only rely on it because those skills you have the experiences you have will help you to increase your chance of winning

The games of luck are called that way for a reason

There is no way skill is going to help you increase your chances of winning as the outcomes are determined in a completely random way, so you can't change the odds in your favor through skills or expertise. Technically, if you are able to somehow predict the results (e.g. by exploiting a bug in the betting system), the game stops being a game of chance. Anyway, this matter is way off-topic here, and it looks like it is better to be put aside

[Ailmand]

Gambling was actually made as a form of entertainment along side with risking your money for a chance of winning. The thrill it self of risking your money maybe enjoyable for some people, not to mention the unexplainable enjoyment or the feeling winning a bet brings. This might be one of the reason why people gamble.

[Ucy]

I can't speak to most sites or what they have for visuals. I do imagine anyone who plays dice online likely started spinning slots irl. These machines are designed to induce a sense of sensory overload and pleasure. It keeps you coming back by using bright shiny flashy and loud stimulus to fake a sense of happiness and euphoria.
Think about the way you felt walking through the midway at a carnival... everything is great. So I imagine the sites that players say they play the most on just for fun provide something similar.
The few times I played a plinko style game I thought it was similar I got to watch all the dice bouncing around and there was that edge of your seat anticipation if you could hit the big multiplier or not. I can't even remember if it was with real funds or simply a small faucet on the site. Either way it was small amounts but did provide that brief sense of enjoyment. With respect to dice, I didn't see the same ideas at play. There it was more about feeling like you could bring a strategy to play by changing around the multiplier... is that right, whatever it is to set your win/loss threshold for the role.

This is probably part of the cause, but most people who get "entertained by artificial pleasure inducing things" probably don't know they are the primary sources of the fun/pleasure/entertainment they get from gambling. In my opinion, this sort of pleasure inducing things shouldn't be use on luck-based gambling. They have more disadvantages than advantages

[Betwrong]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win
~

When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

[Golftech]

Gambling was actually made as a form of entertainment along side with risking your money for a chance of winning. The thrill it self of risking your money maybe enjoyable for some people, not to mention the unexplainable enjoyment or the feeling winning a bet brings. This might be one of the reason why people gamble.

The lust to win not all because of money but to win with the game you pick brings enjoyment to yourself. Both casino and sports gamblers
have their own explanations and it's a desire to win that adds up the thrill inside this venue of activities.
Satisfying your lust makes you to keep coming back and play inside the gaming websites.

[Ridwan Fauzi]

Yeah indeed there is not an useful thing to make gambling as an entertainment because I have to spend money and trying to guess what will happen next, in dice gambling it is pure based on luck and you have to deserve about it. So this way, I realized that dice gambling is pure about lucky although there is some strategies that can help for at least I'll be safe to lose much money. And I just thinking if I spend money that I think it is not guaranted to get money back even to make money through it so I'll spend them for just an entertainment. Because if I spend money for that thing at least I can keep myself to can't be a gambling addict and I can avoid it so far.

[Webetcoins]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win
~

When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

It could be said that gambling works as a stress reliever .Actually it works by the same fundamental principle. If you are into some problem then via gambling your attention would get diverted towards the game and it would actually help you to forget about the worries for some time. But it could not eradicate the problem completely.

[ethereumhunter]

Gambling was actually made as a form of entertainment along side with risking your money for a chance of winning. The thrill it self of risking your money maybe enjoyable for some people, not to mention the unexplainable enjoyment or the feeling winning a bet brings. This might be one of the reason why people gamble.

That is the right way to treat gambling as a form of entertainment, so we don't think about it when we can get winning, which will be hard to get. But many people don't use that way because they want to make money from gambling. Once they realize that, they will be late to stop because their money is already going. But some people can recognize that, and they don't try to force themselves to continue the games because they know as soon as possible they stop the games will be better for them.

[zhekinsp]

I feel excitement about the result of casino games is what that drives people into playing casino games again and again even if they know that game has no physical activity and it will end in seconds or fraction of it.

[milewilda]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win
~

When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

Normal for us to have these kind of reactions specially when we do already deal with big amounts and even we do say that we are playing just for fun its still for ourselves to get stressed
and got worried if we lost that one unless if you are hella of a rich guy that doesn't bother on losing money.Each person do have its own consideration when it comes on whats big amount to them.$100 might be small for some but for majority it would be big so if you do seek for entertainment ,you wont consider on using all of the amount but due to impulsive reactions along the way then most likely you would end up on the common path.

[adzino]

Gambling was actually made as a form of entertainment along side with risking your money for a chance of winning. The thrill it self of risking your money maybe enjoyable for some people, not to mention the unexplainable enjoyment or the feeling winning a bet brings. This might be one of the reason why people gamble.

Yeah, this is one of the reason why people gamble, but is not applicable for everyone. Only those who have shit loads of money or can afford to lose a lot gambles for fun and doesn't care if they lose their money or not. The thrill and excitement of winning gives them adrenalean rush which they really enjoy a lot. Again, most people gamble to make some money real quick. Their main intention is to grab some quick profit over night. But unfortunately, most of the people just ends up losing everything.

[DaftAjax]

It could be said that gambling works as a stress reliever .Actually it works by the same fundamental principle. If you are into some problem then via gambling your attention would get diverted towards the game and it would actually help you to forget about the worries for some time. But it could not eradicate the problem completely.

So you mean to say escapism. But how long do you think it would be just an escapism, have you consider it as being an addiction?

Normal for us to have these kind of reactions specially when we do already deal with big amounts and even we do say that we are playing just for fun its still for ourselves to get stressed
and got worried if we lost that one unless if you are hella of a rich guy that doesn't bother on losing money.Each person do have its own consideration when it comes on whats big amount to them.$100 might be small for some but for majority it would be big so if you do seek for entertainment ,you wont consider on using all of the amount but due to impulsive reactions along the way then most likely you would end up on the common path.

Then it's contradictory to the idea of being a stress-relief if you would be more stressed on worrying about winning or losing. Don't get me wrong everyone wants to win, but to what extent do we consider it as having fun?

[Fundamentals Of]

So far, it seems there is a unique feeling of fun when gambling that may not be found elsewhere.

And even ourselves can't explain this even we want to. In the back of our subconscious mind there is something that tingling us to play and play. Perhaps, this question should be answer by a psychiatrist so he/she can enlighten us since all we can say is " we just want to ". Simple as that and game concept is just a factor.

its called dopamine they say which causes us to keep coming back on one thing or to become addicted  .

we ourselves can research more further if we want to know how to cure it or prevent it  but its always better to call a physical help or a mental help from the experts  so that they can prescribe us the right kind of drugs or dosage if the problem is now severe  . 

Fortunately, I have not been in that situation where I feel like I need some professional intervention in my gambling habit. I just love the excitement of gambling but I can certainly say no to it when the need calls. There is that pulling force from gambling but it is not yet on a level that I cannot resist that gambling itch.

[maydna]

I feel excitement about the result of casino games is what that drives people into playing casino games again and again even if they know that game has no physical activity and it will end in seconds or fraction of it.

Whenever they lose money or win money, they will come back to the casino, and the big result will be on the casino places, which means the casino wins so much money from the gamblers. When we continue the games, we must realize that the next round will not be the same as before, and if you win in the last round, your luck will not always come again in the next round. So you need to realize that gambling is not the way to be the source of income, but if you can feel the excitement, then you can play gambling because of the excitement, but you should know when to stop gambling.

[YOSHIE]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

The sensation of entertainment in gambling games like dice for me is one of the most unique moments that I often play.

Do not know what to say what I experienced when gambling was played, in one sense I wanted to profit from another aspect to be a pleasure and entertainment for me.

What is clear gambling has both for me the benefits and pleasure. That is, entertainment, profit and pleasure while playing gambling.

[maxreish]

You have a whole point. People do gamble to earn money fast! That's the truth. Even the richest man who gambles for fun has a purpose to double or tripled his money. We can't deny the fact that the easiest way to get profits is to gamble. But i do have a goal here. I am not considering this wherein I am dependent in gambling. I do have my full time job and gambling is just my pass time.

When you gamble, do some control and plans. That's very important.

[onrise]

I feel excitement about the result of casino games is what that drives people into playing casino games again and again even if they know that game has no physical activity and it will end in seconds or fraction of it.

It’s the money that drives people to keep gambling as everyone wants easy money and they think that it is very easy to make money from gambling within seconds and thus they keep trying their luck till they either win or till they lose the the money .

[peter0425]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

it depends on which Gambling are you pointing mate,because even how good you are in gambling but you are playing "Slot Machines" do you thing strategies will take place?well i am sure it is Luck and nothing more ,not unless it is about Handling our winnings then that is not the point here.

[shoreno]

I think there is no such a game where the pure luck is only the matter, we still need gambling skill and strategy in every types of game in order for us to have high chance of winning. If we will just playing and we are basing our decisions in pure luck then it will lead to huge losses. I want to say that knowledge and skills are also important because we are the only one who can create our own luck.

Gambling skills are important where when you gamble there you can play the strategy to win, luck is not always on your side but there must be an effort to get that luck so in my opinion gambling should be relaxed and a good strategy.
Luck is always you if your gambling tactics are played.

it depends on which Gambling are you pointing mate,because even how good you are in gambling but you are playing "Slot Machines" do you thing strategies will take place?well i am sure it is Luck and nothing more ,not unless it is about Handling our winnings then that is not the point here.

on one site that i play  , there is a game called slots and i noticed that they have these settings on slot simillar to dice and other gambling games so it comes to my head that slot can also be appied by a strategy which is true i think , like for example autobetting with zero bets or small amount of bets as your pre roll because early in game the win will not usually come but they will come after several red streaks  . increasing bets or martingale would also be good for playing slots  .

[Reatim]

i think it is not right to argue about things here mate since you have admitted not being a Gambler so you have different opinion in each matter while gambling relies on their own experiences ,it is easy to say a word that we think is right while the truth is there is more appropriate that what we know.

so in this i take what Doomstake says as he seems to be more knowledgeable about gambling and for me as not totally gambler(but has experience since i play when i have a chance) dice is pure luck so what matter you spreads your bet yet luck will decide if you will catch some wins or not.

I apologize, you should've seen my last comment:

I am not a gambler myself, at least not by money that is.

yeah right have missed that one as well,but i mean no bad just a clarification about opinion of a Literal Gambler and those who have idea about this.and also?i Salure people that is not Gambling their Money in any case because for me?they are the one who really control their life functionally .

Well, mate, you see I don't believe in luck. This may come as a shock but "experience" isn't always the best thing to justify what is wrong or what is right. Besides, I'm just proving a point. But then again, have you heard of the term craps(?), and if I'm not wrong it's one of the most common you can find in casinos. Well, you see, there is craps strategy. And turns out it works just fine, you should check it out.

though i am not totally believe in Luck yet in some point they exist(IMO) as there are some games in gambling that cannot be win by strategies but yet there are some who take the chance and win sometimes Huge.

anyway nice share and will check back later when i'm home..Thanks for that Buddy.

[deisik]

Normal for us to have these kind of reactions specially when we do already deal with big amounts and even we do say that we are playing just for fun its still for ourselves to get stressed
and got worried if we lost that one unless if you are hella of a rich guy that doesn't bother on losing money.Each person do have its own consideration when it comes on whats big amount to them.$100 might be small for some but for majority it would be big so if you do seek for entertainment ,you wont consider on using all of the amount but due to impulsive reactions along the way then most likely you would end up on the common path.

Then it's contradictory to the idea of being a stress-relief if you would be more stressed on worrying about winning or losing. Don't get me wrong everyone wants to win, but to what extent do we consider it as having fun?

This also bothers me

The interesting thing is that we are not interested (I like this turn of phrase) in playing games where we can't lose anything. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, we could play the same dice using the test mode of a gambling bot (e.g. Seuntjies DiceBot), but I don't think we would get a lot of pleasure out of this activity. And now we have two extremes. At one extreme, we must expect to lose something in order to make a game interesting to us, and, at the other extreme, losses can be quite worrying and far from being fun (let alone being a stress-reliever)

[Ucy]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

In my opinion, when they say "Personal Enjoyment" I think what they mean is stress-reliever. Maybe for some, "Personal Enjoyment" for them is bonding with other friends thru gambling

It can be a stress-reliever of sorts

However, there are many stress-relievers out there (as they say, drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll), and each approach to this goal of relieving stress is markedly different from others. Put differently, there are various ways of dealing with stress, and what I'm interested in is finding out what makes gambling a stress-reliever, i.e. what emotions it causes, or rather, what idea triggers a particular emotion that makes us feel happy after a win
~

When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

Very interesting one.
I guess the problem is that you have to keep gambling to maintain the "stress relief" state or euphoria you get from it else you go back to your former state... unless you have something else better & safer to relieve you from stress and sadness/depression.
I think it's better to get ones stress-relief from something more beneficial

[Betwrong]

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When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

Very interesting one.
I guess the problem is that you have to keep gambling to maintain the "stress relief" state or euphoria you get from it else you go back to your former state... unless you have something else better & safer to relieve you from stress and sadness/depression.
I think it's better to get ones stress-relief from something more beneficial

But all the other remedies used by people to cope with stress, such as sedatives and antidepressants, also produce only a temporary effect, and in many cases that's enough to stop the slippage from stress into depression, and that's the main goal actually. Gambling by no means can be called a universal cure for stress, but for some people it is a good cure.

[kolonel_x]

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When we seek only winning from gambling, it can hardly be a stress-reliever for us, at least most of the time it can't. But gambling is a stress-reliever regardless of whether we win or lose. When we gamble our brain switches from contemplating negative thoughts to something much more simpler, such as "Can I win $2 with this bet or not?" And we are relaxing during this time, and feel better afterwards. That's why it's very important to not bet with big amounts, because this kind of gambling only makes your stress worse, in most cases.

Very interesting one.
I guess the problem is that you have to keep gambling to maintain the "stress relief" state or euphoria you get from it else you go back to your former state... unless you have something else better & safer to relieve you from stress and sadness/depression.
I think it's better to get ones stress-relief from something more beneficial

But all the other remedies used by people to cope with stress, such as sedatives and antidepressants, also produce only a temporary effect, and in many cases that's enough to stop the slippage from stress into depression, and that's the main goal actually. Gambling by no means can be called a universal cure for stress, but for some people it is a good cure.

I think gambling is only to treat stress and not a psychiatric illness or severe depression and it only needs drugs that doctors recommend instead of gambling.
Gambling is done a lot because of its many stress problems, depression is a lot of problems so most people with gambling can be felt obau so many say gambling is just for fun only.

[deisik]

You have a whole point. People do gamble to earn money fast! That's the truth. Even the richest man who gambles for fun has a purpose to double or tripled his money

I don't think it is so much about money

The richest man who entertains gambling is not actually looking to multiply his money like doubling or tripling his starting amount. It is more like being able to win in and of itself, not the size of that win as it may be completely irrelevant. In other words, it is the possibility itself which counts, not the actual total won because this total is probably not going to change anything in the wealth status of that man

[peter0425]

You have a whole point. People do gamble to earn money fast! That's the truth. Even the richest man who gambles for fun has a purpose to double or tripled his money

I don't think it is so much about money

The richest man who entertains gambling is not actually looking to multiply his money like doubling or tripling his starting amount. It is more like being able to win in and of itself, not the size of that win as it may be completely irrelevant. In other words, it is the possibility itself which counts, not the actual total won because this total is probably not going to change anything in the wealth status of that man

and they are just looking for the feeling of being a winner and not the value of the winnings,rich people can just play without any intentions of doubling or tripling their money but their success in the game is what they want.

and also some of them are just enjoying life to the fullest to taste the product of their success.

[michellee]

I think gambling is only to treat stress and not a psychiatric illness or severe depression and it only needs drugs that doctors recommend instead of gambling.
Gambling is done a lot because of its many stress problems, depression is a lot of problems so most people with gambling can be felt obau so many say gambling is just for fun only.

If you think that gambling is only to treat stress, then you will get more stresses, especially if you see, you will become bigger. Your tension will also increase, you cannot think clear whether to stop right away or continue playing. When people think that gambling is a way to relieving stress problems, depression, then they are wrong. They must not come to gambling if they are stress, and it is better to take a rest for a while to reduce your high stress.

[AicecreaME]

You have a whole point. People do gamble to earn money fast! That's the truth. Even the richest man who gambles for fun has a purpose to double or tripled his money

I don't think it is so much about money

The richest man who entertains gambling is not actually looking to multiply his money like doubling or tripling his starting amount. It is more like being able to win in and of itself, not the size of that win as it may be completely irrelevant. In other words, it is the possibility itself which counts, not the actual total won because this total is probably not going to change anything in the wealth status of that man

I think you've got what you are trying to find here in your answer. Yes it is not about the winnings or losses of a wealthy man, let's say, it is the satisfaction he have when he wins. I'm going to give a little scenario here, when the wealthy man bet a big amount of money and lost it but the second bet he put a small amount of money and he won, that is where his satisfaction would go, that could erase on his memory about the losses he have in gambling.

It clearly depends on what social status does a gambler have, this post of yours is completely situational, and the answer you are seeking depends of what scenario you are thinking in your head.

[alisonwonder]

I think gambling is only to treat stress and not a psychiatric illness or severe depression and it only needs drugs that doctors recommend instead of gambling.
Gambling is done a lot because of its many stress problems, depression is a lot of problems so most people with gambling can be felt obau so many say gambling is just for fun only.

If you think that gambling is only to treat stress, then you will get more stresses, especially if you see, you will become bigger. Your tension will also increase, you cannot think clear whether to stop right away or continue playing. When people think that gambling is a way to relieving stress problems, depression, then they are wrong. They must not come to gambling if they are stress, and it is better to take a rest for a while to reduce your high stress.

You are right, I just heard that when people are stressed by playing gambling their stress will disappear, actually gambling is one of the causes of stress. but if they have a lot of money, maybe they will spend money going to the casino accompanied by girls and drunks, maybe it can relieve stress.

[radjie]

I think gambling is only to treat stress and not a psychiatric illness or severe depression and it only needs drugs that doctors recommend instead of gambling.
Gambling is done a lot because of its many stress problems, depression is a lot of problems so most people with gambling can be felt obau so many say gambling is just for fun only.

If you think that gambling is only to treat stress, then you will get more stresses, especially if you see, you will become bigger. Your tension will also increase, you cannot think clear whether to stop right away or continue playing. When people think that gambling is a way to relieving stress problems, depression, then they are wrong. They must not come to gambling if they are stress, and it is better to take a rest for a while to reduce your high stress.

The wrong mindset when gambling is done to treat stress, on the contrary most of their professional gamblers suffer huge losses because their minds are not calm or in a depressed mind, therefore someone in a state of stress is not advised to gamble because it is likely to approach large losses and it won't treat stress but it will add to the burden of the mind

[michellee]

I think gambling is only to treat stress and not a psychiatric illness or severe depression and it only needs drugs that doctors recommend instead of gambling.
Gambling is done a lot because of its many stress problems, depression is a lot of problems so most people with gambling can be felt obau so many say gambling is just for fun only.

If you think that gambling is only to treat stress, then you will get more stresses, especially if you see, you will become bigger. Your tension will also increase, you cannot think clear whether to stop right away or continue playing. When people think that gambling is a way to relieving stress problems, depression, then they are wrong. They must not come to gambling if they are stress, and it is better to take a rest for a while to reduce your high stress.

The wrong mindset when gambling is done to treat stress, on the contrary most of their professional gamblers suffer huge losses because their minds are not calm or in a depressed mind, therefore someone in a state of stress is not advised to gamble because it is likely to approach large losses and it won't treat stress but it will add to the burden of the mind

Many people have the wrong mindset when they are playing gambling. They think that gambling can be a solution to get fast money, but they are wrong. Nothing can be called fast money because, at least, we need to try to get that money. Gambling can make someone have high stress, depression, and even the worst, that person can become addicting. We need to stay calm first before we play gambling because if you cannot do that, you will end up losing the money.

[senne]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

As the debates and discussions here clearly show, there are two major camps in respect to the question why people are gambling. The first camp claim that people gamble because they are looking for ways to earn money (something like the "get rich fast" scheme). The other camp say there are as well people who gamble just for the fun of it (to be clear, they don't deny the monetary incentives of some, or most, of the players). Let's call such an attitude personal enjoyment as that seems to be the established term (but you're welcome to come with a different name for it)

To reassert, I'm not discarding the possibility that quite a few people may be looking into gambling as a source of easy money (whether it actually is or can be is another question), or that it can in fact be their primary incentive. But this topic is not about such people. In this topic I want to dissect and analyze the other group of gamblers (and their motivations), the one that is actually playing for its own sake, for personal enjoyment and entertainment. And here's the question (a few questions) to muse over while taking a break from rolling the dice

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling or there are many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

I can soo relate to this topic and clearly identify difference between two types of players. I guess the game sense matters whether it is for playing to earn money or mere for personal enjoyment. Until you have money hanging from the tree or you eat with a golden spoon , everyone does not prefer to throw away money just for entertainment

[romero121]

I think gambling is only to treat stress and not a psychiatric illness or severe depression and it only needs drugs that doctors recommend instead of gambling.
Gambling is done a lot because of its many stress problems, depression is a lot of problems so most people with gambling can be felt obau so many say gambling is just for fun only.

If you think that gambling is only to treat stress, then you will get more stresses, especially if you see, you will become bigger. Your tension will also increase, you cannot think clear whether to stop right away or continue playing. When people think that gambling is a way to relieving stress problems, depression, then they are wrong. They must not come to gambling if they are stress, and it is better to take a rest for a while to reduce your high stress.

The wrong mindset when gambling is done to treat stress, on the contrary most of their professional gamblers suffer huge losses because their minds are not calm or in a depressed mind, therefore someone in a state of stress is not advised to gamble because it is likely to approach large losses and it won't treat stress but it will add to the burden of the mind

Many people have the wrong mindset when they are playing gambling. They think that gambling can be a solution to get fast money, but they are wrong. Nothing can be called fast money because, at least, we need to try to get that money. Gambling can make someone have high stress, depression, and even the worst, that person can become addicting. We need to stay calm first before we play gambling because if you cannot do that, you will end up losing the money.

The wrong mindset of people happens when someone next to us earns big out of gambling. Looking at the same, people just believe that the same will happen with us. The reality differs when we're unlucky. Whether it is gambling or anything related to money, there needs effort as well as the execution along with luck in a combined manner.

[deisik]

The richest man who entertains gambling is not actually looking to multiply his money like doubling or tripling his starting amount. It is more like being able to win in and of itself, not the size of that win as it may be completely irrelevant. In other words, it is the possibility itself which counts, not the actual total won because this total is probably not going to change anything in the wealth status of that man

I think you've got what you are trying to find here in your answer. Yes it is not about the winnings or losses of a wealthy man, let's say, it is the satisfaction he have when he wins. I'm going to give a little scenario here, when the wealthy man bet a big amount of money and lost it but the second bet he put a small amount of money and he won, that is where his satisfaction would go, that could erase on his memory about the losses he have in gambling

Thanks for this example

You very well elucidated my idea and further expanded my thought here. Of course, it doesn't erase his memory, but it does absolutely erase his feelings of disagreement with his previous loss (which is the reason why we are chasing losses in the first place) or even frustration, however small his initial loss might be in respect to his wealth and however smaller his subsequent win is in respect to that loss

This is a good example to show us, and look into, how our brain chemistry works. We may accumulate losses over time when gambling but even a small win or a winning streak totally offsets or even resets our feelings about these losses despite the fact that purely financially we are still deep in the red (and probably will always be). That is called a recency bias, if I'm not mistaken

[Darker45]

We may accumulate losses over time when gambling but even a small win or a winning streak totally offsets or even resets our feelings about these losses despite the fact that purely financially we are still deep in the red (and probably will always be there)

Absolutely correct. One win is sweeter than 5 losses. A winner who comes out of the casino and does not offer even a bottle of beer to his friend because he has been at a loss for the past couple of days is a boring man. Here in my place, majority of the gamblers would treat gambling prize money as easy money, and they will also spend them easily. For sure, many of them is really deep in the red overall but after a winning day there is always a celebration over beer or something hard. That's both good and bad. LOL.

[peter0425]

You have a whole point. People do gamble to earn money fast! That's the truth. Even the richest man who gambles for fun has a purpose to double or tripled his money

I don't think it is so much about money

The richest man who entertains gambling is not actually looking to multiply his money like doubling or tripling his starting amount. It is more like being able to win in and of itself, not the size of that win as it may be completely irrelevant. In other words, it is the possibility itself which counts, not the actual total won because this total is probably not going to change anything in the wealth status of that man

rich gamblers dont really tend of how much money they will gather each time they played but the success of having winning time.

because for a gambler there is a feeling of success each win we have so that is why many gamblers keep coming back not because of literal winning money but the feeling that cannot be explain.

[jhonjhon]

In my opinion, gambling is one way to get away with boredom, it is like entertaining yourself and at the same time, you're getting monetary rewards if you're lucky. Every one of us look at gambling differently some gamble because of the reason that it can be a good way to earn big money right away but some gamble just to have fun and entertain themselves, regardless of how we look at it it should be done in moderation as to avoid unnecessary losses.

[Janation]

In my opinion, gambling is one way to get away with boredom, it is like entertaining yourself and at the same time, you're getting monetary rewards if you're lucky. Every one of us look at gambling differently some gamble because of the reason that it can be a good way to earn big money right away but some gamble just to have fun and entertain themselves, regardless of how we look at it it should be done in moderation as to avoid unnecessary losses.

That is true, but not for all of us.

There are a lot of gamblers out there gambling so they can earn a good amount of money. But don't you think we can avoid these losses and just spend our time gambling? There are a lot of games on the App Store where you can gamble with other players online without using your real money. Any game you want, it's your call.

[AliMan]

In my opinion, gambling is one way to get away with boredom, it is like entertaining yourself and at the same time, you're getting monetary rewards if you're lucky. Every one of us look at gambling differently some gamble because of the reason that it can be a good way to earn big money right away but some gamble just to have fun and entertain themselves, regardless of how we look at it it should be done in moderation as to avoid unnecessary losses.

That is true, but not for all of us.

There are a lot of gamblers out there gambling so they can earn a good amount of money. But don't you think we can avoid these losses and just spend our time gambling? There are a lot of games on the App Store where you can gamble with other players online without using your real money. Any game you want, it's your call.

For the sake of fun and entertainment I think money was just a second options for our joy in playing gambling. Using money or cryptocurrency in betting for an online game was just an expectation for lucky wins. That's not guaranteed profitable because it's a cycle of win or loss, and eventually we will be lossing all over again which is harder to recover unless you're going to quit due to addiction.

[Beparanf]

In my opinion, gambling is one way to get away with boredom, it is like entertaining yourself and at the same time, you're getting monetary rewards if you're lucky. Every one of us look at gambling differently some gamble because of the reason that it can be a good way to earn big money right away but some gamble just to have fun and entertain themselves, regardless of how we look at it it should be done in moderation as to avoid unnecessary losses.

Gambling is aiming for money, we can play games for boredom or other activities that will not require money. But since we wanted while we're playing is that there is still money that may involve as earning so gambling happens. We just need only to know how to discipline ourselves when we're playing it.

[Betwrong]

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But all the other remedies used by people to cope with stress, such as sedatives and antidepressants, also produce only a temporary effect, and in many cases that's enough to stop the slippage from stress into depression, and that's the main goal actually. Gambling by no means can be called a universal cure for stress, but for some people it is a good cure.

I think gambling is only to treat stress and not a psychiatric illness or severe depression and it only needs drugs that doctors recommend instead of gambling.
Gambling is done a lot because of its many stress problems, depression is a lot of problems so most people with gambling can be felt obau so many say gambling is just for fun only.

That's right, a severe depression can hardly be cured with gambling. One needs a doctor to cope with a condition of this kind. Gambling can be used, and, of course, not by everyone, as a tool for preventing the process of transformation of stress into depression. Gambling can help to relieve the tension, and to avoid fatigue,  heart palpitations, stomach problems,  and dozens of other illnesses caused by stress. But, again, it's not for everyone.

[FlightyPouch]

In my opinion, gambling is one way to get away with boredom, it is like entertaining yourself and at the same time, you're getting monetary rewards if you're lucky. Every one of us look at gambling differently some gamble because of the reason that it can be a good way to earn big money right away but some gamble just to have fun and entertain themselves, regardless of how we look at it it should be done in moderation as to avoid unnecessary losses.

Gambling is aiming for money, we can play games for boredom or other activities that will not require money. But since we wanted while we're playing is that there is still money that may involve as earning so gambling happens. We just need only to know how to discipline ourselves when we're playing it.

Well, it is not that easy. Despite you knowing for the fact that you are so addicted to it, you will never be able to stop. To be honest I still find ways to gamble instead of working. Something will just hook you up into gambling and it is not that easy to discipline yourself. That is gaming, the game will really eat you up if you don't know what to do.

[deisik]

There are a lot of gamblers out there gambling so they can earn a good amount of money. But don't you think we can avoid these losses and just spend our time gambling? There are a lot of games on the App Store where you can gamble with other players online without using your real money. Any game you want, it's your call

That makes another interesting observation

We can play with other players (online or otherwise) for hours but without any financial incentive (I remember playing different card games in my childhood with my friends through whole days). That means we still get something out of it. On the other hand, we don't get a lot of pleasure from a game like dice or tossing a coin if we play on our own without anything at stake unless we are counting the odds or something to that tune (but in that case it stops being a game for us, just a task to do)

All in all, it basically means that the feeling of pleasure is not the primary emotion here, with the implication being that there is something else involved which is causing that feeling of satisfaction and entertainment as a result. So what is it, a sense of victory, which is not possible without the implied possibility of a defeat? As it is the defeat that can only make a victory real, genuine and worth it (read, worth our money)

[AicecreaME]

The richest man who entertains gambling is not actually looking to multiply his money like doubling or tripling his starting amount. It is more like being able to win in and of itself, not the size of that win as it may be completely irrelevant. In other words, it is the possibility itself which counts, not the actual total won because this total is probably not going to change anything in the wealth status of that man

I think you've got what you are trying to find here in your answer. Yes it is not about the winnings or losses of a wealthy man, let's say, it is the satisfaction he have when he wins. I'm going to give a little scenario here, when the wealthy man bet a big amount of money and lost it but the second bet he put a small amount of money and he won, that is where his satisfaction would go, that could erase on his memory about the losses he have in gambling

Thanks for this example

You very well elucidated my idea and further expanded my thought here. Of course, it doesn't erase his memory, but it does absolutely erase his feelings of disagreement with his previous loss (which is the reason why we are chasing losses in the first place) or even frustration, however small his initial loss might be in respect to his wealth and however smaller his subsequent win is in respect to that loss

Yes, it doesn't erase literally, sorry for not elaborating much about the term that I've used. What I mean by erase is that once he wins, it nullifies and negates the negative vibe he was feeling when he was losing, for example, so his feeling towards the game changes from negative to positive.

This is a good example to show us, and look into, how our brain chemistry works. We may accumulate losses over time when gambling but even a small win or a winning streak totally offsets or even resets our feelings about these losses despite the fact that purely financially we are still deep in the red (and probably will always be). That is called a recency bias, if I'm not mistaken

Yes, exactly, this is where the blindfold is being put in their eyes by the house, this is where their false hope starts, since this is situational, mostly of the gamblers that have blindfolds in their eyes are those who are after the money in gambling, they are playing even though it is crystal clear already that gambling hates them, but loves their money.

[vintages]

In my opinion, gambling is one way to get away with boredom, it is like entertaining yourself and at the same time, you're getting monetary rewards if you're lucky. Every one of us look at gambling differently some gamble because of the reason that it can be a good way to earn big money right away but some gamble just to have fun and entertain themselves, regardless of how we look at it it should be done in moderation as to avoid unnecessary losses.

Gambling is aiming for money, we can play games for boredom or other activities that will not require money. But since we wanted while we're playing is that there is still money that may involve as earning so gambling happens. We just need only to know how to discipline ourselves when we're playing it.

Or else for personal choice. Whereby the person make up their mind not to fume or get discouraged nor frustrated when they lose in a game. One can make gambling all about the fun but I believe this will not be for too long. Most times in gambling we lose more than we gain, there is no way one will be deriving fun and amusement when they are losing.

[DaftAjax]

Then it's contradictory to the idea of being a stress-relief if you would be more stressed on worrying about winning or losing. Don't get me wrong everyone wants to win, but to what extent do we consider it as having fun?

The interesting thing is that we are not interested (I like this turn of phrase) in playing games where we can't lose anything. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, we could play the same dice using the test mode of a gambling bot (e.g. Seuntjies DiceBot), but I don't think we would get a lot of pleasure out of this activity. And now we have two extremes. At one extreme, we must expect to lose something in order to make a game interesting to us, and, at the other extreme, losses can be quite worrying and far from being fun (let alone being a stress-reliever)

Winning (or should I say having a win-streak) is like feeding our own ego. From a positive perspective, it gives us confidence that makes our decision more decisive than usual and trusting whatever that may be. In contrast, it makes us cocky and temporarily forgets that there's a possibility to lose, after all, gambling is not biased to anyone. At some point, it could make you the role of a king, but at the same time, it could make you the role of a beggar. And by that, I hardly think gambling could be a stress-reliever to the majority of people.

[deisik]

Then it's contradictory to the idea of being a stress-relief if you would be more stressed on worrying about winning or losing. Don't get me wrong everyone wants to win, but to what extent do we consider it as having fun?

The interesting thing is that we are not interested (I like this turn of phrase) in playing games where we can't lose anything. As I pointed out earlier in the thread, we could play the same dice using the test mode of a gambling bot (e.g. Seuntjies DiceBot), but I don't think we would get a lot of pleasure out of this activity. And now we have two extremes. At one extreme, we must expect to lose something in order to make a game interesting to us, and, at the other extreme, losses can be quite worrying and far from being fun (let alone being a stress-reliever)

Winning (or should I say having a win-streak) is like feeding our own ego. From a positive perspective, it gives us confidence that makes our decision more decisive than usual and trusting whatever that may be. In contrast, it makes us cocky and temporarily forgets that there's a possibility to lose, after all, gambling is not biased to anyone

Yes, wins definitely rub our egos

At some point, it could make you the role of a king, but at the same time, it could make you the role of a beggar. And by that, I hardly think gambling could be a stress-reliever to the majority of people

That point also bothers me

Deep inside, somehow I don't buy into this theory about gambling being a stress-reliever in general. On the contrary, I'd rather say it gives us an adrenaline rush which makes us feel alive (again) when we feel bored. Put differently, there is no relief of stress as our inner and subconscious longings for gambling are more about receiving some portion of stress instead of getting rid of it. Whether you can control the amount of this stress and keep it manageable is another question, though

[Latviand]

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category?

Yeah, quite confusing this but for sure, it's totally something self pleasure when doing gambling, more entertaining our ownselfs.

honestly I get pleasure when I play poker because I like strategy games, maybe the fun side of poker is that this game really doesn't depend on luck. but in other types of games such as pure luck, I don't get the pleasure of every play, in my opinion, only victory makes us happy. but it is indeed difficult to gauge the level of pleasure of others, maybe for them it is fun, and vice versa for me it's normal.

Maybe it is the joy one person feels whenever he experience winning. In any form of gambling whether it is pure luck or strategical, losing is more certain and more expected before even playing the game. Although winning do not happen often, small time win is enough for the gamblers to continue such activity which makes gambling an addicting activity. Good thing is that there are still people who just enjoy the game itself and not the profit from doing so. It is just matter of a gambler's mindset of what would make him stay to the 'game'.

[Ucy]

In my opinion, gambling is one way to get away with boredom, it is like entertaining yourself and at the same time, you're getting monetary rewards if you're lucky. Every one of us look at gambling differently some gamble because of the reason that it can be a good way to earn big money right away but some gamble just to have fun and entertain themselves, regardless of how we look at it it should be done in moderation as to avoid unnecessary losses.

Gambling is aiming for money, we can play games for boredom or other activities that will not require money. But since we wanted while we're playing is that there is still money that may involve as earning so gambling happens. We just need only to know how to discipline ourselves when we're playing it.

Or else for personal choice. Whereby the person make up their mind not to fume or get discouraged nor frustrated when they lose in a game. One can make gambling all about the fun but I believe this will not be for too long. Most times in gambling we lose more than we gain, there is no way one will be deriving fun and amusement when they are losing.

Well, some say winning or losing doesn't bother them. I guess they mean the fun/entertainment part helps counter any negative mood that results from losing. The "mood" is probably there to discourage us from gambling continuously... Suppressing it with something the victim is probably not aware of, is not a good idea.

[AicecreaME]

At some point, it could make you the role of a king, but at the same time, it could make you the role of a beggar. And by that, I hardly think gambling could be a stress-reliever to the majority of people

That point also bothers me

Deep inside, somehow I don't buy into this theory about gambling being a stress-reliever in general. On the contrary, I'd rather say it gives us an adrenaline rush which makes us feel alive (again) when we feel bored. Put differently, there is no relief of stress as our inner and subconscious longings for gambling are more about receiving some portion of stress instead of getting rid of it. Whether you can control the amount of this stress and keep it manageable is another question, though

That is exactly the most common mistake of the gamblers are committing every day of their lives. Let me give another example, let's say there is a rich guy who is bored if making too much money, or let's say he is bored of everything, so he wanted to spice things up a little bit in his life, so the first thing that come up to his mind is gambling, and then he gambled, either he lose or win (but losses most of the time), and that goes the same to a regular guy who makes average salary for a living.

The whole point here is that, we only have one thing in mind to cure our boredom, and treated gambling as an entertainment even though it is not, we are just convincing ourselves it is because we are out of option, or too scared try other things out. I think we have to come out of our comfort zone in order to avoid the consequence we might face when we plays gambling.

[deisik]

The whole point here is that, we only have one thing in mind to cure our boredom, and treated gambling as an entertainment even though it is not, we are just convincing ourselves it is because we are out of option, or too scared try other things out. I think we have to come out of our comfort zone in order to avoid the consequence we might face when we plays gambling

I'd say it depends

Indeed, if you have serious psychological problems in life (like depression or whatever), gambling is not a solution to such problems as it neither solves them nor alleviates them (if only temporarily). But just like with drugs treating anxiety, stress or depression, it can buy you time and give you a push in the right direction to deal with your problems in a genuinely constructive and purposeful way. Whether you actually use this possibility to that effect or simply become addicted (like with drugs) depends entirely on you

[Pinkris128]

In my opinion, gambling is one way to get away with boredom, it is like entertaining yourself and at the same time, you're getting monetary rewards if you're lucky. Every one of us look at gambling differently some gamble because of the reason that it can be a good way to earn big money right away but some gamble just to have fun and entertain themselves, regardless of how we look at it it should be done in moderation as to avoid unnecessary losses.

Gambling is aiming for money, we can play games for boredom or other activities that will not require money. But since we wanted while we're playing is that there is still money that may involve as earning so gambling happens. We just need only to know how to discipline ourselves when we're playing it.

Or else for personal choice. Whereby the person make up their mind not to fume or get discouraged nor frustrated when they lose in a game. One can make gambling all about the fun but I believe this will not be for too long. Most times in gambling we lose more than we gain, there is no way one will be deriving fun and amusement when they are losing.

Well, some say winning or losing doesn't bother them. I guess they mean the fun/entertainment part helps counter any negative mood that results from losing. The "mood" is probably there to discourage us from gambling continuously... Suppressing it with something the victim is probably not aware of, is not a good idea.

There are really gamblers who finds gambling as an entertainment and for leisure time that it really does not bothers them if they always lose and win in gambling maybe because they don't have other things to do other than playing gambling. It is the reason why most elders who always gambles because they are finding other ways to enjoy and have fun in their old age.

[Mumbeeptind1963]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone
(......)

For me, in gambling, it's not totally luck alone.
It also comes with your emotion doing in gambling, like in trading, has risk management.

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category?

Yeah, quite confusing this but for sure, it's totally something self pleasure when doing gambling, more entertaining our ownselfs

Self satisfaction is sometimes the reason why people gambled. They can feel the joy and contentment when they play, it is somehow a challenge for them too it makes them to think wisely and make some good analysis, it is effective on me too. But if I feel that I am not in the mood at all, I will not play I am keeping myself away from the laptop or any devices that can use to gamble because it is not good to play when emotionally unstable.

[Bitcoinislife09]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone
(......)

For me, in gambling, it's not totally luck alone.
It also comes with your emotion doing in gambling, like in trading, has risk management.

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category?

Yeah, quite confusing this but for sure, it's totally something self pleasure when doing gambling, more entertaining our ownselfs

Self satisfaction is sometimes the reason why people gambled. They can feel the joy and contentment when they play, it is somehow a challenge for them too it makes them to think wisely and make some good analysis, it is effective on me too. But if I feel that I am not in the mood at all, I will not play I am keeping myself away from the laptop or any devices that can use to gamble because it is not good to play when emotionally unstable.

Both entertainment and profit is most of the user's main reason in gambling since it was both entertaining and also you could earn profit in gambling it is a great pass time for a lot of people at the same time you could also win a profit. Most of the time that I play in gambling my only goal is go gain a profit because I think this is all gambling is all about that is why a lot of people is putting big money on the line here in gambling.

[doomistake]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone
(......)

For me, in gambling, it's not totally luck alone.
It also comes with your emotion doing in gambling, like in trading, has risk management.

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category?

Yeah, quite confusing this but for sure, it's totally something self pleasure when doing gambling, more entertaining our ownselfs

Self satisfaction is sometimes the reason why people gambled. They can feel the joy and contentment when they play, it is somehow a challenge for them too it makes them to think wisely and make some good analysis

Is it? too much sarcasm on that.

I mean, on the other side of this gambling opinion we each have, I think it don't help them to "think wisely and some good analysis" as you were saying, because if it really is, then why in the first place they are playing in gambling, if they good at it, then why they can't analyze the fact that gambling was not a game where you could earn money just by your optimism that you could pull some trick and surprise, you win, NO, it is not.

[DaftAjax]

Deep inside, somehow I don't buy into this theory about gambling being a stress-reliever in general. On the contrary, I'd rather say it gives us an adrenaline rush which makes us feel alive (again) when we feel bored. Put differently, there is no relief of stress as our inner and subconscious longings for gambling are more about receiving some portion of stress instead of getting rid of it.

Well, by that, should we be really categorize gambling as means of entertainment? To some extent maybe? But I agree, it could never be a form of stress-relief, as long as an activity involves risks (losing money, or losing in general) I don't think that could relieve any stress at all. It could result in some pretty nasty poison in our minds: anxiety, depression, desperation, etc.

Whether you can control the amount of this stress and keep it manageable is another question, though

Agreed. I think the true stress-relieving activity is when it rewards you relaxation, instead of clinging to something that may make you feel worse than you already are.

[Wintersoldier]

The whole point here is that, we only have one thing in mind to cure our boredom, and treated gambling as an entertainment even though it is not, we are just convincing ourselves it is because we are out of option, or too scared try other things out. I think we have to come out of our comfort zone in order to avoid the consequence we might face when we plays gambling.

I highly think that gambling is quite more scary than trying other things out. If you aren't totally into the world of gambling and you wish to try it some times for a profit, it is quite easier to apply for a job, than to spend money in gambling knowing that you aren't gonna win in a 100 percent chance. Though, there are people who still play because they are brave enough to accept losses in return of the chance to win allot which is the primary reason why it is addictive.

[deisik]

Deep inside, somehow I don't buy into this theory about gambling being a stress-reliever in general. On the contrary, I'd rather say it gives us an adrenaline rush which makes us feel alive (again) when we feel bored. Put differently, there is no relief of stress as our inner and subconscious longings for gambling are more about receiving some portion of stress instead of getting rid of it.

Well, by that, should we be really categorize gambling as means of entertainment? To some extent maybe? But I agree, it could never be a form of stress-relief, as long as an activity involves risks (losing money, or losing in general) I don't think that could relieve any stress at all. It could result in some pretty nasty poison in our minds: anxiety, depression, desperation, etc.

That ultimately depends on your attitude

I mean, if you are looking at gambling as an opportunity to "get rich fast", you obviously won't think of it as a form of entertainment. It will be more like a job to you, so you won't feel so much joy and fun. And even if you earn something in the process (which is a big if but still), you will feel something more like satisfaction, the kind of feeling you experience after you have finished some hard job with a meaningful result

As I see it now, the point of gambling (as in gambling per se and not some kind of an odd or even regular job) is in fact to give you some stress at first, and then provide an experience of relief from that stress. If you win, then you will feel that relief. If you lose, it again depends on your overall attitude as the loss could actually bring you even more stress. And then you start chasing losses and get into the stress spiral

Whether you can control the amount of this stress and keep it manageable is another question, though

Agreed. I think the true stress-relieving activity is when it rewards you relaxation, instead of clinging to something that may make you feel worse than you already are

It works in the way described above. With gambling, you at first intentionally work yourself up (before the bet) and then quiet down (after the bet). It is this cycle that makes gambling so attractive because we are wired that way to feel alive. We need both stress and stress relief at the end of the day

[AicecreaME]

The whole point here is that, we only have one thing in mind to cure our boredom, and treated gambling as an entertainment even though it is not, we are just convincing ourselves it is because we are out of option, or too scared try other things out. I think we have to come out of our comfort zone in order to avoid the consequence we might face when we plays gambling

I'd say it depends

Indeed, if you have serious psychological problems in life (like depression or whatever), gambling is not a solution to such problems as it neither solves them nor alleviates them (if only temporarily). But just like with drugs treating anxiety, stress or depression, it can buy you time and give you a push in the right direction to deal with your problems in a genuinely constructive and purposeful way. Whether you actually use this possibility to that effect or simply become addicted (like with drugs) depends entirely on you

That make sense, but also that is the problem that other people being misunderstood about gambling, they think it is addicting but it is them who lacks in a very good mindset towards gambling, or in general. They are playing gambling for the money and doesn't have any goal that is beneficial to them, like being more decisive when it is need, or being good in realization once they commit something really bad, like losing a huge amount of funds.

What they are doing mostly is that they will only take precautions once the damage is done already to them, that is why they always get stuck in a pit where they suffer.

[Betwrong]

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There are really gamblers who finds gambling as an entertainment and for leisure time that it really does not bothers them if they always lose and win in gambling maybe because they don't have other things to do other than playing gambling. It is the reason why most elders who always gambles because they are finding other ways to enjoy and have fun in their old age.

It's true in some cases, but not always. I would even say, it's mostly not true. According to stats(you can google "how many people gamble", and see it yourself), "approximately 1.6 billion people gamble during any given year". I think it means that most of the gamblers have jobs to do, and they gamble during their spare time only. Of course, everyone wants to win, somewhere deep down inside, same as an amateur musician secretly wishes a million views to his video he's uploading on YouTube. But we don't always win, and it's not a big tragedy as long as we are not putting at stake more than we can afford to lose.

[Mumbeeptind1963]

I highly think that gambling is quite more scary than trying other things out. If you aren't totally into the world of gambling and you wish to try it some times for a profit, it is quite easier to apply for a job, than to spend money in gambling knowing that you aren't gonna win in a 100 percent chance. Though, there are people who still play because they are brave enough to accept losses in return of the chance to win allot which is the primary reason why it is addictive.

It will help you a lot once you learn how to gamble, it is for enjoyment and also to create money. But I am not recommending gamble to be taken as a full time job, you may only do it if you dont have any work that is needed to be done. To avoid too  much losses better not to gamble when you are tired and sad it will higher the risk of losing too much.

[pixie85]

I think that there's a sense of relief. For me gambling with small money is boring and a way to kill time. Like a person playing solitaire feels relaxed and it distracts them but also keeps the brain engaged. Sometimes that's what you need.

When you gamble with big money it's like walking over the edge. You feel a rush of adrenaline aabd a bit of panic and then the outcome comes and brings relief. Sometimes after that relief there's disappointment but you don't gamble for that. You gamble for that rush and relief.

[Twinkledoe]

I think that there's a sense of relief. For me gambling with small money is boring and a way to kill time. Like a person playing solitaire feels relaxed and it distracts them but also keeps the brain engaged. Sometimes that's what you need.

When you gamble with big money it's like walking over the edge. You feel a rush of adrenaline aabd a bit of panic and then the outcome comes and brings relief. Sometimes after that relief there's disappointment but you don't gamble for that. You gamble for that rush and relief.

Exactly right! If you are just using small amount of money, it is like you are ready to lose it all as long as you enjoy that moment and have fun. But if you are already gambling a pretty decent amount of money, it is not only for enjoyment but deep inside you, you want something in return. The excitement is there, whether you win or lose, and the focus is more intense if the money involved is bigger than what you normally bet.

[STT]

1.6 billion people is alot of money whatever their doing and when it involves possible absolute loss or expenditure with low costs to provide that game, thats alot of potential profits involved with gambling.   Nice business if you can get the customers, no doubt about it and apparently its recession proof.   I dont know how that works but I guess more people might play to get out of being poor possibly.
    The main motivation for the people is same as any risk in life, its part of our instinct to take a risk to hunt or whatever activity might get us a profit on our daily efforts.    In this case people need to realise its just a simulation mostly and it is hard to always beat these games and come out on top but thats the main attraction I see, that for thousands of years humans have discovered opportunities via a process of curiosity and play.

[michellee]

I highly think that gambling is quite more scary than trying other things out. If you aren't totally into the world of gambling and you wish to try it some times for a profit, it is quite easier to apply for a job, than to spend money in gambling knowing that you aren't gonna win in a 100 percent chance. Though, there are people who still play because they are brave enough to accept losses in return of the chance to win allot which is the primary reason why it is addictive.

It will help you a lot once you learn how to gamble, it is for enjoyment and also to create money. But I am not recommending gamble to be taken as a full time job, you may only do it if you dont have any work that is needed to be done. To avoid too  much losses better not to gamble when you are tired and sad it will higher the risk of losing too much.

I agree that gambling is the scariest thing that the other things. You will not lose your money but also lose everything that you have. Maybe you already see some real examples from the other people around you that are always playing gambling. They become addicting, and they lose so much money, they lose their families too.

We need to think that playing gambling is only part of our life, and we don't have to play every day or for a long time. But you can also avoid playing gambling if you think that gambling can make you lose the money and you become addicting because playing gambling or not, that will depend on you.

[hello_good_sir]

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling or there are many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

I think that you've described it perfectly - to get that momentary hit of dopamine.

It's obvious that people do it for financial reasons as well, but at the end of the day, that is not what most people look for (unless you're one of the people who see gambling as a means to recover losses from elsewhere, like trading). Especially lurkers on dice sites, they're obviously not influenced much by finances.

Honestly, in the more extreme cases, it is a pure, unadulterated addiction to chemicals produced in your brain - that is all.

[deisik]

Okay guys, we seem to have reached a sort of consensus here

And the consensus so far is that gambling in not about stress on its own, but it is not about the relief of stress per se either. People may feel inclined to gamble when they feel bored (which appears to be a common thing anyway), so we can easily reach a conclusion that they want and seek that proverbial adrenaline rush in this activity

But this conclusion is incomplete as it is only partially true. An adrenaline rush without being followed by a dopamine hit (as the fellow member suggested) will only add to stress (which is the case when we start chasing losses). So, apart from stress, we also need to be relieved of that stress later that would make us feel relaxed and happy

And that's the main idea behind gambling done right (unless you see gambling as a job and a source of easy money). A level of stress we are longing for when we start gambling should be balanced out by the matching level of stress relief when we quit gambling. It is this fine balance that makes gambling actually enjoyable and fun

[peter0425]

Okay guys, we seem to have reached a sort of consensus here

And the consensus so far is that gambling in not about stress on its own, but it is not about the relief of stress per se either. People may feel inclined to gamble when they feel bored (which appears to be a common thing anyway), so we can easily reach a conclusion that they want and seek that proverbial adrenaline rush in this activity

perfect term to use 'Adrenaline rush" or mood swinger because we mostly find time to play gambling when we are bored or kind of not feeling well (but of course some plays when they are over joyed)

But this conclusion is incomplete as it is only partially true. An adrenaline rush without being followed by a dopamine hit (as the fellow member suggested) will only add to stress (which is the case when we start chasing losses). So, apart from stress, we also need to be relieved of that stress later that would make us feel relaxed and happy

well it depends on how you accept the outcome of your action because someone when they enjoyed the game they dont care about anything but the feeling of triumphant even though they don't really win.

And that's the main idea behind gambling done right (unless you see gambling as a job and a source of easy money). A level of stress we are longing for when we start gambling should be balanced out by the matching level of stress relief when we quit gambling. It is this fine balance that makes gambling actually enjoyable and fun

there might be others that treat this as easy money way of earning(and they are getting success but only few than losers).

actually stress in losing must not be part of this gaming,because if does?then surely addiction will follow because we will chase losses again and again.

[djgtr]

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling or there are many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

I think that you've described it perfectly - to get that momentary hit of dopamine.

It's obvious that people do it for financial reasons as well, but at the end of the day, that is not what most people look for (unless you're one of the people who see gambling as a means to recover losses from elsewhere, like trading). Especially lurkers on dice sites, they're obviously not influenced much by finances.

Honestly, in the more extreme cases, it is a pure, unadulterated addiction to chemicals produced in your brain - that is all.

Gambling is more like chemicals that could intoxicate our brains? Well on this opinion mate, I guess the raging toxicity is with the emotional management of a person. There's nothing to do with addiction, and if people happened to be someone like those addicted persom, I think he needs a rehabilitation to control thing over and out.

[ethereumhunter]

I think that you've described it perfectly - to get that momentary hit of dopamine.

It's obvious that people do it for financial reasons as well, but at the end of the day, that is not what most people look for (unless you're one of the people who see gambling as a means to recover losses from elsewhere, like trading). Especially lurkers on dice sites, they're obviously not influenced much by finances.

Honestly, in the more extreme cases, it is a pure, unadulterated addiction to chemicals produced in your brain - that is all.

I think they need a way to release their addiction (if they have) and come to the professional that can help them to cure that addiction. We don't need to think that gambling is a way to recover losses from elsewhere. What we need is to enjoy the game, spend some money, quit gambling. If we can do that, we never have a problem with gambling, and even we will enjoy the game, and maybe we can also release the stress by playing gambling in the limit time.

[DaftAjax]

I mean, if you are looking at gambling as an opportunity to "get rich fast", you obviously won't think of it as a form of entertainment. It will be more like a job to you, so you won't feel so much joy and fun. And even if you earn something in the process (which is a big if but still), you will feel something more like satisfaction, the kind of feeling you experience after you have finished some hard job with a meaningful result

Agreed.

Gambling is broad, or should I say it has many categories. If I were to make it a job, it doesn't make sense to be serious on a dice, a slot machine, especially a lottery. Though given the odds, it will surely make me more money but I'd rather wager on something that I could assure victory--poker for example (well, most professional gambling involves cards).

As I see it now, the point of gambling (as in gambling per se and not some kind of an odd or even regular job) is in fact to give you some stress at first, and then provide an experience of relief from that stress. If you win, then you will feel that relief. If you lose, it again depends on your overall attitude as the loss could actually bring you even more stress. And then you start chasing losses and get into the stress spiral

In short, it's a roller coaster ride. Hmm. Not bad I think. Personally I wouldn't really enjoy something like this. But hey it's just me, to each their own.

It works in the way described above. With gambling, you at first intentionally work yourself up (before the bet) and then quiet down (after the bet). It is this cycle that makes gambling so attractive because we are wired that way to feel alive. We need both stress and stress relief at the end of the day

Well, if you think about it. Always winning is indeed pretty boring, it's very satisfying for sure. But after that you'll crave a challenge, that's why on your next bet you sometimes wager more.

[coinfinger]

What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

Enjoyment or amusement are just reasons to continue gambling but definitely not the purpose of gambling. If there are no possibility of winning big out of gambling, I guess there would have been no such industry to be existing like how we are having today. Yes, no one might be risking their money only for the reason of enjoyment but they might be spending those money to wild trekking and any other possible thrilling things and gambling industry might have bitten the dust.

Hope of winning big is the only difference between a common viewer and a bettor while watching a sport event; they both enjoy the game but who feels the most trills? When you are playing yourself and getting and making all those thrills means? This is what happening exactly while we are gambling.

There are lots of thrills and hopes are inside behind every game and we cannot ignore they are the only force which are driving the entire gambling industry; by gambling industry I mean the entire space which include both gamblers and houses.

[michellee]

It works in the way described above. With gambling, you at first intentionally work yourself up (before the bet) and then quiet down (after the bet). It is this cycle that makes gambling so attractive because we are wired that way to feel alive. We need both stress and stress relief at the end of the day

Well, if you think about it. Always winning is indeed pretty boring, it's very satisfying for sure. But after that you'll crave a challenge, that's why on your next bet you sometimes wager more.

I am not sure if you can always winning because that will not be possible in gambling. But if you can get your luck every time you gamble, then the winning will be yours. That will need big money to spend to expecting the winning, and that will not work with people who only have little money. So in the next bet, you need to think about not to use bigger money to gamble.

[Capt00]

All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling. Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

[Fundamentals Of]

All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling. Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

It depends on who is gambling.
It depends on the mood of the gambler.
It also depends on whether the gambler is on his own or with his friends.
It depends on how much the gambler is carrying.
It also depends on how much time he has.

These are all factors. There are more of them in fact.

[rodskee]

All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling. Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

the easy way is?never gambling if you have no money to risk,because once you played that means all the amount on your hands will be willingly lose since that is the reality in gambling only 10-30% can succeed and the rest will sure losing.

i have known gambling all my life because i grew up in place where people use gambling as way of living and not for fun ,that is why i know every scenario in gambling places,and also lucky that wayback Online gambling is not available in my place because if does?maybe most of the gamblers there will lose all their living because this is very addicting.not like in past that we need to wait for another players to arrive to start gambling not like in Online when we can play instantly as long as we have deposit amount in sites.

[deisik]

As I see it now, the point of gambling (as in gambling per se and not some kind of an odd or even regular job) is in fact to give you some stress at first, and then provide an experience of relief from that stress. If you win, then you will feel that relief. If you lose, it again depends on your overall attitude as the loss could actually bring you even more stress. And then you start chasing losses and get into the stress spiral

In short, it's a roller coaster ride. Hmm. Not bad I think. Personally I wouldn't really enjoy something like this. But hey it's just me, to each their own

That's because you are likely not bored to death in life (pardon the pun)

But when you are, and don't know how to spend your time, gambling becomes an appealing option. And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

[Betwrong]

~ And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I think gambling is no different from other pleasant activities in this regard. People are getting addicted to anything they find enjoyable, be it TV series, fast food, gaming, shopping ... you name it. The more delightful something to us, the more addictive it is. You said there are so many other options, but can you give some examples of things that can help us to relax, and that are not addictive at the same time? (Under no circumstances can I think that I know more than you do. I respect you as a valuable contributor to this forum, and I'm honored by getting replies from you. So, I don't intend to counter your words, rather I want to know your opinion on this matter).

[Oilacris]

~ And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I think gambling is no different from other pleasant activities in this regard. People are getting addicted to anything they find enjoyable, be it TV series, fast food, gaming, shopping ... you name it. The more delightful something to us, the more addictive it is. You said there are so many other options, but can you give some examples of things that can help us to relax, and that are not addictive at the same time? (Under no circumstances can I think that I know more than you do. I respect you as a valuable contributor to this forum, and I'm honored by getting replies from you. So, I don't intend to counter your words, rather I want to know your opinion on this matter).

Addiction is different given by gambling because we know that it do involves money and as part of human being
you would normally feel on having that impulsive feeling because you know the opportunities on making money.

We can indeed involved ourselves into other different hobbies or activities but this one do need some strong
discipline on ones mind.

[doomistake]

As I see it now, the point of gambling (as in gambling per se and not some kind of an odd or even regular job) is in fact to give you some stress at first, and then provide an experience of relief from that stress. If you win, then you will feel that relief. If you lose, it again depends on your overall attitude as the loss could actually bring you even more stress. And then you start chasing losses and get into the stress spiral

In short, it's a roller coaster ride. Hmm. Not bad I think. Personally I wouldn't really enjoy something like this. But hey it's just me, to each their own

That's because you are likely not bored to death in life (pardon the pun)

But when you are, and don't know how to spend your time, gambling becomes an appealing option. And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I'm a person that easily get bored on whatever I'm doing, except when I'm doing something that satisfies me like photography and photo editing, but whenever I have a free time way back then, I always play gambling in BetKong, I don't know if it still legit to play there cause it's been a while since I gamble, but yeah, you're right that it becomes an option when you're really empty headed and don't know what to do to kill your free time.

The only difference is that when to took it seriously, your working hours would become your free time when got addicted to it, especially gambling games that have their own twist.

[Kevondo]

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling or there are many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

I think that you've described it perfectly - to get that momentary hit of dopamine.

It's obvious that people do it for financial reasons as well, but at the end of the day, that is not what most people look for (unless you're one of the people who see gambling as a means to recover losses from elsewhere, like trading). Especially lurkers on dice sites, they're obviously not influenced much by finances.

Honestly, in the more extreme cases, it is a pure, unadulterated addiction to chemicals produced in your brain - that is all.

Gambling is more like chemicals that could intoxicate our brains? Well on this opinion mate, I guess the raging toxicity is with the emotional management of a person. There's nothing to do with addiction, and if people happened to be someone like those addicted persom, I think he needs a rehabilitation to control thing over and out.

You have claimed that you play just for fun. Stress is obviously a factor that does count when you are seeking monetary benefits from gambling. This is because you don’t care about enjoying the gaming experience. Your only aim is to win money. And I have seen that the more you are cautious about making money the lesser is the chance of winning.

[imstillthebest]

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So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

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You have claimed that you play just for fun. Stress is obviously a factor that does count when you are seeking monetary benefits from gambling. This is because you don’t care about enjoying the gaming experience. Your only aim is to win money. And I have seen that the more you are cautious about making money the lesser is the chance of winning.

depends on what is the reason of your stress . it can be stress because of financial  problem  . stress because of love life , etc..  but most of what we do when are stress is to find a fun thing to do like playing games or playing a gambling  .

  you dont seek for money when you play but to some that is stress due to financial  , they also seek money aside from fun   .   you will loose more if you care less , what you expect with that  ?

[DaftAjax]

I am not sure if you can always winning because that will not be possible in gambling.

That's not what I meant. I'm just pointing out that eventually, you'll get tired of always winning, and sometimes intend to lose just to win again and feel the same feeling every time you achieve a victory.

That's because you are likely not bored to death in life (pardon the pun)

But when you are, and don't know how to spend your time, gambling becomes an appealing option. And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

Well, If I'm being honest I do some gambling, but not with money, at least I don't think it is. Are you familiar with the term "gacha"? In other terms its "loot boxes", "treasures" or something similar like that. You will get a certain "item", and the rarity depends on RNG. And it certainly is "fun" to say the least--there are other things that include the "gacha" part but it's really complicated to explain by just some sentences.

[livingfree]

All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling. Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

[Mumbeeptind1963]

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

I think this could be possible, because I myself is doing this one, gambling helps me to  release my stressed , it helps me to sharpen my mind and make a new strategy in every game that I am doing , critical thinking is one of the trait that I am developing through gambling, it is not all about the money, it makes us more risk taker as well.

[michellee]

I am not sure if you can always winning because that will not be possible in gambling.

That's not what I meant. I'm just pointing out that eventually, you'll get tired of always winning, and sometimes intend to lose just to win again and feel the same feeling every time you achieve a victory.

Oh, I am sorry I am wrong. I don't know how it feels to always winning because I never got that experience, but I know how it feels when I got losses in gambling. When I got losses many times, sometimes I asked myself when I can win for some money, but the truth is I don't win some money but win a little money. We can get much chance in losing the money, but we don't have much chance in winning the money

[Reatim]

All gamblers have different reasons why they gamble and that includes having fun and getting easy money

indeed this is most likely the two reason why many people are being involved in gambling and that is a free will but i prefer the first reason than the next on

. Some even use gambling as their way to relieve stress, it depends on who is gambling.

using Gambling to relieve stress is part of the first reason and that is having Fun while playing (but don't bother about the losses because it will bring another stress of course)

Whatever the reason of gambling it is very important one must have self control to avoid addiction and to avoid losing everything you have in life.

while this is one of the best advice yet very hard to let Gamblers do as it is,because like what sayings is "It is easy to be said than done" so basically we can tell them but won't follow us specially those regular gamblers.

[deisik]

~ And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I think gambling is no different from other pleasant activities in this regard. People are getting addicted to anything they find enjoyable, be it TV series, fast food, gaming, shopping ... you name it

Yeah, but you obviously don't take into account the consequences

Watching TV, getting hooked on junk food, and even chain smoking don't necessarily have such devastating consequences as gambling so often has. You ask me for an example which will help us relax and that will not be (as) addictive at the same time. I can instantly name one, simple and easily available to everyone. It is reading. Yes, it can be addictive too, but this addiction is nothing compared to the ones mentioned before. And it can be quite useful on its own, apart from being totally entertaining. Even reading the forum will do (just in case, you can stick to reading only my posts as there's a lot of them)

[Betwrong]

~ And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I think gambling is no different from other pleasant activities in this regard. People are getting addicted to anything they find enjoyable, be it TV series, fast food, gaming, shopping ... you name it

Yeah, but you obviously don't take into account the consequences

Watching TV, getting hooked on junk food, and even chain smoking don't necessarily have such devastating consequences as gambling so often has. You ask me for an example which will help us relax and that will not be (as) addictive at the same time. I can instantly name one, simple and easily available to everyone. It is reading. Yes, it can be addictive too, but this addiction is nothing compared to the ones mentioned before. And it can be quite useful on its own, apart from being totally entertaining. Even reading the forum will do (just in case, you can stick to reading only my posts as there's a lot of them)

I agree, reading is a good way to relax from hard work, and even if you are getting addicted to it, it's only better for you, because no matter what you are reading, you are, at least, improving your skills in English (or in whatever language you are using). But but that's a good relaxation after manual labor. If all you do during your work day is reading and writing, when working in an online support role, for example, you can hardly relax with reading, right? So, what kind of relaxation would you suggest for that kind of people?

[deisik]

Watching TV, getting hooked on junk food, and even chain smoking don't necessarily have such devastating consequences as gambling so often has. You ask me for an example which will help us relax and that will not be (as) addictive at the same time. I can instantly name one, simple and easily available to everyone. It is reading. Yes, it can be addictive too, but this addiction is nothing compared to the ones mentioned before. And it can be quite useful on its own, apart from being totally entertaining. Even reading the forum will do (just in case, you can stick to reading only my posts as there's a lot of them)

I agree, reading is a good way to relax from hard work, and even if you are getting addicted to it, it's only better for you, because no matter what you are reading, you are, at least, improving your skills in English (or in whatever language you are using). But but that's a good relaxation after manual labor. If all you do during your work day is reading and writing, when working in a support role, for example, you can hardly relax with reading, right? So, what kind of relaxation would you suggest for that kind of people?

Maybe some kind of physical activity?

In fact, this is a fallback option to deal with any kind of mental stress, as well as the answer to the boredom caused by desk jobs. But I wouldn't discard reading altogether. It is an all-encompassing thing, and you just need to find what actually interests you, deep down inside, and then read into it to the hilt. In this fashion, you won't be so much relaxed as motivated (more of a roller coaster type of experience) because you will get something else from this activity other than just instant gratification and entertainment (read, it will be more rewarding in the long run). That's what hobbies are for unless your job is that hobby, but then you wouldn't ask obviously (this is an ideal situation but rarely the case in real life, though)

[AicecreaME]

~ And personally, I don't consider it any worse than any other option out there as long as you keep it that way, as a small roller coaster to spice up your dull and uninteresting life. In fact, it works just wonders

But unlike so many other options, the problem with gambling is that it is highly addictive, and most people learn it the hard way, after losing something which they didn't expect and didn't plan to lose

I think gambling is no different from other pleasant activities in this regard. People are getting addicted to anything they find enjoyable, be it TV series, fast food, gaming, shopping ... you name it

Yeah, but you obviously don't take into account the consequences

Watching TV, getting hooked on junk food, and even chain smoking don't necessarily have such devastating consequences as gambling so often has. You ask me for an example which will help us relax and that will not be (as) addictive at the same time. I can instantly name one, simple and easily available to everyone. It is reading. Yes, it can be addictive too, but this addiction is nothing compared to the ones mentioned before. And it can be quite useful on its own, apart from being totally entertaining. Even reading the forum will do (just in case, you can stick to reading only my posts as there's a lot of them)

If all you do during your work day is reading and writing, when working in an online support role, for example, you can hardly relax with reading, right? So, what kind of relaxation would you suggest for that kind of people?

The answer for this is so obvious, if you have a job that drains you mentally, like reading and writing that you have mentioned, you should go for activities that will help you relax your brain cells, like eating chocolates and sweets while watching TV with your love ones will help you to make your brain recover from stress because of your work, and if you have work that takes too much energy like being on the field, then massage, cold drinks, and hot baths would do the trick.

[Best Dreams]

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

I think this could be possible, because I myself is doing this one, gambling helps me to  release my stressed , it helps me to sharpen my mind and make a new strategy in every game that I am doing , critical thinking is one of the trait that I am developing through gambling, it is not all about the money, it makes us more risk taker as well.

That’s true gambling makes us stronger and makes us become more good at playing. Gambling helps me to spend my time constructively and I can make money now even if I am free. Gambling is a way of getting profit from different games that we often play for free but for this, we only have to spend some money and the output will be awesome if we play well.

[livingfree]

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

I think this could be possible, because I myself is doing this one, gambling helps me to  release my stressed , it helps me to sharpen my mind and make a new strategy in every game that I am doing , critical thinking is one of the trait that I am developing through gambling, it is not all about the money, it makes us more risk taker as well.

This is very possible, I've just felt an odd feeling to hear it because most of the gamblers doesn't have this kind of reason as we gamble. But there you go, just another proof that it's a way to relieve stress.

I think, many will also come to say that they are not just for fun but they are also using it as an escape mechanism for other problems that they have.

[djsugar]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

As the debates and discussions here clearly show, there are two major camps in respect to the question why people are gambling. The first camp claim that people gamble because they are looking for ways to earn money (something like the notorious "get rich fast" scheme). The other camp say there are as well people who gamble just for the fun of it (to be clear, they don't deny the monetary incentives of some, or most, of the players). Let's call such an attitude personal enjoyment as that seems to be the established term (you're welcome to come up with a different name for it)

To reassert, I'm not discarding the possibility that quite a few people may be looking into gambling as a source of easy money (whether it actually is, or can be, is another question), or that it can in fact be their primary incentive. But this topic is not about such people. In this topic I want to dissect and analyze the other group of gamblers (and their motivations), the one that is actually playing for its own sake, for personal enjoyment and entertainment. And here's the question (a few questions) to muse over while taking a break from rolling the dice

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling, or are there many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

Even if a player is playing just for fun and excitement, the winning makes him stay with the game and bet more. Who doesnt like winning and personally I dont think so losing again and again would make you play more and continue. Knowing the game , startegizing , observing other players are few things that an amateur who is just playing for fun does too. Even if the stakes are not high, you would not want to lose unless you are highly addicted and have shit loads of money to just give away.

[Janation]

There are a lot of gamblers out there gambling so they can earn a good amount of money. But don't you think we can avoid these losses and just spend our time gambling? There are a lot of games on the App Store where you can gamble with other players online without using your real money. Any game you want, it's your call

That makes another interesting observation

We can play with other players (online or otherwise) for hours but without any financial incentive (I remember playing different card games in my childhood with my friends through whole days). That means we still get something out of it. On the other hand, we don't get a lot of pleasure from a game like dice or tossing a coin if we play on our own without anything at stake unless we are counting the odds or something to that tune (but in that case it stops being a game for us, just a task to do)

All in all, it basically means that the feeling of pleasure is not the primary emotion here, with the implication being that there is something else involved which is causing that feeling of satisfaction and entertainment as a result. So what is it, a sense of victory, which is not possible without the implied possibility of a defeat? As it is the defeat that can only make a victory real, genuine and worth it (read, worth our money)

It is not the money that interest them but them being competitive.

I know a card game we call in our country "pusoy dos". We usually bet small amount of money and have fun. I think 14 or 16 years later, I found that there is an online game of it and tried it. I always lose and that made me stay in that game until now. Never thought that there are a lot of good players of it online.

[Betwrong]

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Maybe some kind of physical activity?

In fact, this is a fallback option to deal with any kind of mental stress, as well as the answer to the boredom caused by desk jobs. But I wouldn't discard reading altogether. It is an all-encompassing thing, and you just need to find what actually interests you, deep down inside, and then read into it to the hilt. In this fashion, you won't be so much relaxed as motivated (more of a roller coaster type of experience) because you will get something else from this activity other than just instant gratification and entertainment (read, it will be more rewarding in the long run). That's what hobbies are for unless your job is that hobby, but then you wouldn't ask obviously (this is an ideal situation but rarely the case in real life, though)

I like that you are still insisting on reading as a way of relaxation. Indeed, it depends on what you are reading. Manuals for freezers and air conditioners can bore you to death, while something like Sapiens or Homo Deus by Harari can literally fill you with life. (It's subjective, of course, but those books have blown my mind recently). And yeah, physical activity. In fact, I combine the three, reading, workout and gambling, when I feel like I need to relax.

~

The answer for this is so obvious, if you have a job that drains you mentally, like reading and writing that you have mentioned, you should go for activities that will help you relax your brain cells, like eating chocolates and sweets while watching TV with your love ones will help you to make your brain recover from stress because of your work, and if you have work that takes too much energy like being on the field, then massage, cold drinks, and hot baths would do the trick.

That's a great advice as well. Spending some time with your loved ones is a great relaxation indeed. Apart from watching movies and other things, we play online poker together with my SO. It's fun.

[deisik]

In fact, this is a fallback option to deal with any kind of mental stress, as well as the answer to the boredom caused by desk jobs. But I wouldn't discard reading altogether. It is an all-encompassing thing, and you just need to find what actually interests you, deep down inside, and then read into it to the hilt. In this fashion, you won't be so much relaxed as motivated (more of a roller coaster type of experience) because you will get something else from this activity other than just instant gratification and entertainment (read, it will be more rewarding in the long run). That's what hobbies are for unless your job is that hobby, but then you wouldn't ask obviously (this is an ideal situation but rarely the case in real life, though)

I like that you are still insisting on reading as a way of relaxation

Well, I wouldn't call it so much a means of obtaining relaxation as satisfaction

In this regard, reading is like money. With money, you can spend it uselessly (like on drugs, whores, partying, or even reckless gambling, while we are at it), and you will most certainly regret this type of spending later. On the other hand, you can spend the money with some useful long-term purpose in mind (e.g. buy a few bitcoins now and then), something which relates to you and your interests as you see and feel them deep in your heart

Reading for its own sake is meaningless, it is what you get out of it that matters and counts. It is only a tool which gives you a key to new opportunities. Discovering these new opportunities, or rather concrete ways to actually work them as you read into other people experiences, is what makes reading so fun and enjoyable. It is like you are living not just your own life but the lives of other people, gaining from their mistakes and successes alike

[kotajikikox]

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

I think this could be possible, because I myself is doing this one, gambling helps me to  release my stressed , it helps me to sharpen my mind and make a new strategy in every game that I am doing , critical thinking is one of the trait that I am developing through gambling, it is not all about the money, it makes us more risk taker as well.

that is how we treat gambling rightfully,learning lose after lose and gaining more strength while going far.

there are too many factor to consider when we are engaging in gambling but what you have mentioned is the most important factor because with those everything will turn in positivity and not the other way around.

i have been learning many things in gambling but until now i am still gaining more because i dont treat this to make money but to learn and enjoy.

[Mahanton]

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

I think this could be possible, because I myself is doing this one, gambling helps me to  release my stressed , it helps me to sharpen my mind and make a new strategy in every game that I am doing , critical thinking is one of the trait that I am developing through gambling, it is not all about the money, it makes us more risk taker as well.

that is how we treat gambling rightfully,learning lose after lose and gaining more strength while going far.

there are too many factor to consider when we are engaging in gambling but what you have mentioned is the most important factor because with those everything will turn in positivity and not the other way around.

i have been learning many things in gambling but until now i am still gaining more because i dont treat this to make money but to learn and enjoy.

Thats how it should be treated but people do go into opposite way thats why they do end up on getting wrecked by gambling.
Its an entertainment thing but people do make it as a source of income.You do seek for fun but it would be already stressful if you do find out
that you are already chasing up your losses.Games will vary on each individual since we do have different interest on any ways.
Fun should really be a real one because if you are already worrying and panicking while playing then its another story.

[Faxmate]

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

I think this could be possible, because I myself is doing this one, gambling helps me to  release my stressed , it helps me to sharpen my mind and make a new strategy in every game that I am doing , critical thinking is one of the trait that I am developing through gambling, it is not all about the money, it makes us more risk taker as well.

that is how we treat gambling rightfully,learning lose after lose and gaining more strength while going far.

there are too many factor to consider when we are engaging in gambling but what you have mentioned is the most important factor because with those everything will turn in positivity and not the other way around.

i have been learning many things in gambling but until now i am still gaining more because i dont treat this to make money but to learn and enjoy.

Thats how it should be treated but people do go into opposite way thats why they do end up on getting wrecked by gambling.
Its an entertainment thing but people do make it as a source of income.You do seek for fun but it would be already stressful if you do find out
that you are already chasing up your losses.Games will vary on each individual since we do have different interest on any ways.
Fun should really be a real one because if you are already worrying and panicking while playing then its another story.

yes you are right gambling should not be played for the sake of money only because it is a game, and this game should be treated the same other games, making it the source of income sometimes proves drastic, people those gambling for money always in stress of their losses and the chase of losses proves bad.

[peter0425]

yes you are right gambling should not be played for the sake of money only because it is a game, and this game should be treated the same other games, making it the source of income sometimes proves drastic, people those gambling for money always in stress of their losses and the chase of losses proves bad.

gambling is not just a game because before we can do it,there must be something to bet that is why this is different from normal games than gambling games.

if you have to gamble make sure you also can afford to lose the money youa re going to bet.

[imstillthebest]

yes you are right gambling should not be played for the sake of money only because it is a game, and this game should be treated the same other games, making it the source of income sometimes proves drastic, people those gambling for money always in stress of their losses and the chase of losses proves bad.

gambling is not just a game because before we can do it,there must be something to bet that is why this is different from normal games than gambling games.

if you have to gamble make sure you also can afford to lose the money youa re going to bet.

On a normal game , you also do bet too or you do other things before the game begins . Gambling is a game simillar to any game but the only difference is that if it's a real gambling you play with real money .

 Risking money to play a game is normal , before I remember I pay for the internet cafe to use it to play online games  . I can see it as an example when you pay to play a gambling  .

[Naida_BR]

I don't think that people gamble because it is entertaining.
They do so because they want to find a way to earn money and have a better life. It is all about the money not the joy. If they wanted to have fun they would play video games.

[Sahyadri]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

As the debates and discussions here clearly show, there are two major camps in respect to the question why people are gambling. The first camp claim that people gamble because they are looking for ways to earn money (something like the notorious "get rich fast" scheme). The other camp say there are as well people who gamble just for the fun of it (to be clear, they don't deny the monetary incentives of some, or most, of the players). Let's call such an attitude personal enjoyment as that seems to be the established term (you're welcome to come up with a different name for it)

To reassert, I'm not discarding the possibility that quite a few people may be looking into gambling as a source of easy money (whether it actually is, or can be, is another question), or that it can in fact be their primary incentive. But this topic is not about such people. In this topic I want to dissect and analyze the other group of gamblers (and their motivations), the one that is actually playing for its own sake, for personal enjoyment and entertainment. And here's the question (a few questions) to muse over while taking a break from rolling the dice

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling, or are there many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

Until you have too much money to spare or you are a prince with golden spoon , everyone else pays to win and enjoys beating others to boost their ego. Even if anyone is playing for fun and excitement, he will indeed not continue if he is losing too many and winning by luck. To win and be sure about your bets , you need to get into the game , study it and have your own startegies.

[Debonaire217]

I don't think that people gamble because it is entertaining.
They do so because they want to find a way to earn money and have a better life. It is all about the money not the joy. If they wanted to have fun they would play video games.

Gambling surely created to put up illusion of easy quick rich scheme to people especially those in the category of people that believes mostly in horoscope, and faith, which classify themselves as luck enough to win profit in gambling or by any chance, get some money out of it. I highly assure that yes, the game after all is to provide this illusion, but in reality, the game after all falls to the side of the platform, because of the transaction fees per bets we made and it is quite impossible for system to be probably fair in a chance of 50/50 percent.

[deisik]

I don't think that people gamble because it is entertaining.
They do so because they want to find a way to earn money and have a better life. It is all about the money not the joy. If they wanted to have fun they would play video games

Video games pretty soon become quite tiresome and boring

I've been there, seen and felt that. Without real interest (read, your money at stake), you will feel exhausted in less than no time. Indeed, I don't mean online games where you can earn things which you could sell for money or which could help you boost your ego. But then they are not particularly different from such games as poker and its likes

On the other hand, playing single-player video games or such modes of these games is like rolling dice without risking anything and with no chance to win something actually valuable to you (read, you will quickly lose interest)

[ampere]

I think i will stick to your subject.

The game is filled with alot of happinness and excitement which relieves stress and makes you to think properly and faster, (This can be applied if you play ps4 or ps3 especiallly football games or call on duty)

If you look at the sports side of the game. the game is filled with excitement and emotions which goes deep beyond explanation which is why you see few sports supporters unhappy after a poor performance or loss.

The game is fulled with alot

[Best Dreams]

Relieving stress? I think only few gamblers does have this reason why they gamble but I'm not saying that it's not an applicable reason. And for sure, there are gamblers that really gamble because they want to relieve their stress.

They can release it as they gamble, we do have several ways to do it and others are choosing this kind of release and relieve. And as I have said before with this thread, after relieving the stress then it's bringing satisfaction.

I think this could be possible, because I myself is doing this one, gambling helps me to  release my stressed , it helps me to sharpen my mind and make a new strategy in every game that I am doing , critical thinking is one of the trait that I am developing through gambling, it is not all about the money, it makes us more risk taker as well.

that is how we treat gambling rightfully,learning lose after lose and gaining more strength while going far.

there are too many factor to consider when we are engaging in gambling but what you have mentioned is the most important factor because with those everything will turn in positivity and not the other way around.

i have been learning many things in gambling but until now i am still gaining more because i dont treat this to make money but to learn and enjoy.

Exactly we should treat gambling as a way to enjoy our life and also make money only then we will be able to become good gamblers as trying to make gambling only source to get money means talking over stress. Better gamble with a relaxed mind and never try to earn huge all at a single attempt. Gradually you learn to earn high profit but in begging, you have to be careful.

[Zicadis]

Personally, I tend to avoid playing games of pure luck, simply because I don't have time for sitting around waiting to be beaten by the house edge. However, if I'm waiting for a table to load up or while I'm watching sports, I might partake in a few rounds of dice or roulette.

Not because I expect to win, but just to kill some time. I usually play on extremely low odds on these games, that way I can just throw in whatever change I've got and hope something good comes of it. e.g. if I've just won $95.69, I'll throw the 69 cents on green just for the lols.

It's like, if I lose the 69 cents, who cares. But if I win, I'll be happy to grab the $30 prize.

[Asuspawer09]

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

A lot of people just play in gambling for entertainment, winning or profit. For me, it is just profit and personal amusement.

It was just escalating to play and win the game with your skills and then winning it, there is an excitement in winning the game that makes us continue and do not stop playing.
This feeling of winning the game makes us happy and I think a lot of people just want to be happy so they just play and play and cannot control themselves self so end up losing it.

[Savemore]

In reality, there is no satisfaction in gambling. For those who seek satisfaction, I'm sorry to say but the word satisfaction is not existing. When we win through gambling, our desires will increase and even if we lose also, we have still desires to regain the losses. Most of us are seeking enjoyment but profit is also matter, there are many psychological factors that we should be aware when we are doing gambling.

[BitcoinsGreat]

In reality, there is no satisfaction in gambling. For those who seek satisfaction, I'm sorry to say but the word satisfaction is not existing. When we win through gambling, our desires will increase and even if we lose also, we have still desires to regain the losses. Most of us are seeking enjoyment but profit is also matter, there are many psychological factors that we should be aware when we are doing gambling.

If there was no satisfaction in gambling, then why so many people want to play gamble ? and why would so many gambling casino exists if they are not satisfying to people need and pleasure.

In fact, people win from gambling and feel happy. Consider you won a big amount from gambling, would not you be satisfied ? Some people play gambling for fun and they pass their time happily in playing gambling without taking much about the results. So they are also happy and satisfied with gambling.

[deisik]

In fact, people win from gambling and feel happy. Consider you won a big amount from gambling, would not you be satisfied ? Some people play gambling for fun and they pass their time happily in playing gambling without taking much about the results. So they are also happy and satisfied with gambling

He probably means something else

As I got it, he refers to the fact that when you win, you will likely play again and again until you ultimately lose. In this way, the satisfaction you at first experience when you win will be completely reversed by the disappointment that you will feel when you eventually lose in the end

This is definitely true if your sole purpose is to make money. But that's not always the case. If you are looking for things that would make you feel alive again, to freshen up your life a little bit (read, you need some type of a roller coaster experience), gambling can give you that. And then you will actually consider your losses as money well spent (provided you will be able to maintain control over your emotions)

[Mahanton]

In fact, people win from gambling and feel happy. Consider you won a big amount from gambling, would not you be satisfied ? Some people play gambling for fun and they pass their time happily in playing gambling without taking much about the results. So they are also happy and satisfied with gambling

He probably means something else

As I got it, he refers to the fact that when you win, you will likely play again and again until you ultimately lose. In this way, the satisfaction you at first experience when you win will be completely reversed by the disappointment that you will feel when you eventually lose in the end

This is definitely true if your sole purpose is to make money. But that's not always the case. If you are looking for things that would make you feel alive again, to freshen up your life a little bit (read, you need some type of a roller coaster experience), gambling can give you that. And then you will actually consider your losses as money well spent (provided you will be able to maintain control over your emotions)

Only a few would really have this kind of mindset or perception towards gambling.Majority would really have that money making in their brain anytime they do get involved with it.
Satisfaction will really be different on each person yet some would go for the fun no matter what the result is and majority would comes after for the money.
Its true that when you are already chasing losses then it isnt really considered to be fun at all and it turns out to be a stressful thing because we as human beings
doesnt really want or like to lose up funds no matter how you do set up your mind that you are just playing for fun.

[Triffin]

In reality, there is no satisfaction in gambling. For those who seek satisfaction, I'm sorry to say but the word satisfaction is not existing. When we win through gambling, our desires will increase and even if we lose also, we have still desires to regain the losses. Most of us are seeking enjoyment but profit is also matter, there are many psychological factors that we should be aware when we are doing gambling.

Yes once you win you will surely try to game again and this is the reason why mostly people in my life I know are gamblers they can not quit gambling even if loosing but it's not good as this way people can get addicted so if you realize it's not good time to gamble again you should quietly stop gambling and again try later once you feel good luck for yourself, we should enjoy gambling than being stressed.

[deisik]

This is definitely true if your sole purpose is to make money. But that's not always the case. If you are looking for things that would make you feel alive again, to freshen up your life a little bit (read, you need some type of a roller coaster experience), gambling can give you that. And then you will actually consider your losses as money well spent (provided you will be able to maintain control over your emotions)

Only a few would really have this kind of mindset or perception towards gambling.Majority would really have that money making in their brain anytime they do get involved with it

I tend to disagree with this view

And for a simple reason. Gambling is not a type of activity where you can easily earn money. On the contrary, it is the one where you are expected to lose, and that is not a secret. So anyway you look at, the monetary motives shouldn't be the main ones for people who are interested in gambling as they are certainly looking for something else. And I have already explained what exactly they are looking for

More specifically, many people get involved in gambling because they feel bored, and they start to gamble because it makes them feel more alive. Indeed, as many people don't know where and when to stop, but they definitely don't come to play in order to start chasing losses in a short while. They may be forced by their egos (or whatever) to continue playing. However, that was not their primary incentive or intention

[marnilce]

those who think that you can make money gambling are not very good with numbers and statistics... that's all!

[Betwrong]

I don't think that people gamble because it is entertaining.
They do so because they want to find a way to earn money and have a better life. It is all about the money not the joy. If they wanted to have fun they would play video games.

You may be surprised but not everyone loves playing video games. I, for one, am disappointed by the graphic quality, and especially by the story lines of the current games. I don't mean they used to be better in the past, rather I expected  much more from the future in this regard when I was playing Harry Potter more than 15 years ago.

So, believe it or not, I find gambling more entertaining than video games.

[deisik]

So, believe it or not, I find gambling more entertaining than video games

Wholeheartedly support this attitude

In the past I could play video games days on end (more specifically, first-person shooters). I hardly ever slept and ate, so it could be rightfully said that I was a gaming addict of sorts. Then one day I realized how I had been hurting my health and my life in general. I just lost interest soon thereafter

Today, when I try to play a shooter, even a classic which I consider one of the best ever (like both Half-Lives, both Bloods, first Far Cry, etc), I got bored within minutes. On the other hand, I don't feel bored at gambling at all (though I consciously control my playing habits), and I can explain exactly why so. It's because my money is at stake there

[FlightyPouch]

those who think that you can make money gambling are not very good with numbers and statistics... that's all!

And there are a lot of businessmen earning from gambling sites, I think you are mistaken. Though I am talking about the owners and investors of gambling sites, some people still get a profit from gambling. A lot of people are hoping, that includes me but still, I know the limit and I know the reality.

[huige007]

In fact, people win from gambling and feel happy. Consider you won a big amount from gambling, would not you be satisfied ? Some people play gambling for fun and they pass their time happily in playing gambling without taking much about the results. So they are also happy and satisfied with gambling

He probably means something else

As I got it, he refers to the fact that when you win, you will likely play again and again until you ultimately lose. In this way, the satisfaction you at first experience when you win will be completely reversed by the disappointment that you will feel when you eventually lose in the end

This is definitely true if your sole purpose is to make money. But that's not always the case. If you are looking for things that would make you feel alive again, to freshen up your life a little bit (read, you need some type of a roller coaster experience), gambling can give you that. And then you will actually consider your losses as money well spent (provided you will be able to maintain control over your emotions)

You are right. People have two reasons for gambling. First of all, money is the basic aim for those gamblers who are actually into it for bringing income. Others do it just for fun. But fun is a factor that could only be considered if a person is not having trouble in terms of funds. But let’s suppose you are running smooth in terms of economy even then it is possible that you get addicted to it.

[Mumbeeptind1963]

You are right. People have two reasons for gambling. First of all, money is the basic aim for those gamblers who are actually into it for bringing income. Others do it just for fun. But fun is a factor that could only be considered if a person is not having trouble in terms of funds. But let’s suppose you are running smooth in terms of economy even then it is possible that you get addicted to it.

It is not a game at all, sometimes the reason why we are into gambling its because we are testing our fortune or if we are lucky enough to win the game, different people has a different mindset toward the things like this gambling, we need to take note of it, so for me, it is a game that test my mind, on how do I do next when things goes wrong when my strategy aren't good enough in the match so it the reason for me.`

[iamsheikhadil]

I can be very confident to say that only 10% of gamblers gamble for reasons other than monetary as most priority. I have been in such situations in past where I played for just enjoyment. To be honest, it's really really really boring when tje gambling is done for not profits but entertainment, because Netflix or YouTube is a better entertainment than seeing a pointer move at dice constantly on repeated interval of time. It gets boring.... I think it's like an escape from reality or to just waste or cut time.

[Ucy]

I don't think that people gamble because it is entertaining.
They do so because they want to find a way to earn money and have a better life. It is all about the money not the joy. If they wanted to have fun they would play video games

Video games pretty soon become quite tiresome and boring

I've been there, seen and felt that. Without real interest (read, your money at stake), you will feel exhausted in less than no time. Indeed, I don't mean online games where you can earn things which you could sell for money or which could help you boost your ego. But then they are not particular different from such games as poker and its likes

On the other hand, playing single-player video games or such modes of these games is like rolling dice without risking anything and with no chance to win something actually valuable to you (read, you will quickly lose interest)

Interesting.
 So what you're basically saying is that putting something valuable at stake makes a game less boring?
I guess people could play on those kinds of games where useful & unique items can be designed or  won by players and sold to other players for money.

[deisik]

On the other hand, playing single-player video games or such modes of these games is like rolling dice without risking anything and with no chance to win something actually valuable to you (read, you will quickly lose interest)

Interesting.
So what you're basically saying is that putting something valuable at stake makes a game less boring?

That's how things turn out to be

If something valuable is at stake, I mean valuable to you personally (think marginal utility here), you won't and technically can't even be bored because it follows straight from the very definition of boredom, as well as the opposite of it. You only feel bored with things which are utterly uninteresting to you. And it works in reverse quite well too, so you can't feel depressed, tired, or hacked off with things which are of great interest to you (think love here)

I guess people could play on those kinds of games where useful & unique items can be designed or  won by players and sold to other players for money

Online games (like massively multiplayer online role-playing games) are exploiting this phenomenon to the hilt

[Debonaire217]

I can be very confident to say that only 10% of gamblers gamble for reasons other than monetary as most priority. I have been in such situations in past where I played for just enjoyment. To be honest, it's really really really boring when tje gambling is done for not profits but entertainment, because Netflix or YouTube is a better entertainment than seeing a pointer move at dice constantly on repeated interval of time. It gets boring.... I think it's like an escape from reality or to just waste or cut time.

Basically it is 0 percent, excluded those that usually plays or gamble for beta testing of a site or gambling platform. Most of the people is playing because there is hope in every bets, there are those who plays because their minds have been affected in the first place, I can call them addicted to playing not just for money but they find it a lifestyle already. But after all, it still falls to the desire of gaining profits.

[Hippocrypto]

I can be very confident to say that only 10% of gamblers gamble for reasons other than monetary as most priority. I have been in such situations in past where I played for just enjoyment. To be honest, it's really really really boring when tje gambling is done for not profits but entertainment, because Netflix or YouTube is a better entertainment than seeing a pointer move at dice constantly on repeated interval of time. It gets boring.... I think it's like an escape from reality or to just waste or cut time.

Basically it is 0 percent, excluded those that usually plays or gamble for beta testing of a site or gambling platform. Most of the people is playing because there is hope in every bets, there are those who plays because their minds have been affected in the first place, I can call them addicted to playing not just for money but they find it a lifestyle already. But after all, it still falls to the desire of gaining profits.

If they used to have that as lifestyle, certainly they've been a huge potential to become addicted in the first place. Too much emotions tend to draw these people much more aggressive to play and seek for luck on gambling, that's why they are more bound to prioritize gambling instead of doing other important things. The game after all this, nobody becomes a winner but rather a hard time loser.

[Lecam]

You are right. People have two reasons for gambling. First of all, money is the basic aim for those gamblers who are actually into it for bringing income. Others do it just for fun. But fun is a factor that could only be considered if a person is not having trouble in terms of funds. But let’s suppose you are running smooth in terms of economy even then it is possible that you get addicted to it.

It is not a game at all, sometimes the reason why we are into gambling its because we are testing our fortune or if we are lucky enough to win the game, different people has a different mindset toward the things like this gambling, we need to take note of it, so for me, it is a game that test my mind, on how do I do next when things goes wrong when my strategy aren't good enough in the match so it the reason for me.`

Yeah right it's not all game gambling also use a smart way if you gamble you be smart and use your strategy right. But in gambling need also a luck if the strategy is good but no luck you can never win but once the two in you. You can win big amount and use the smart way once you win stop gamble and do go back again in other day.

[diazepam666]

You are right. People have two reasons for gambling. First of all, money is the basic aim for those gamblers who are actually into it for bringing income. Others do it just for fun. But fun is a factor that could only be considered if a person is not having trouble in terms of funds. But let’s suppose you are running smooth in terms of economy even then it is possible that you get addicted to it.

It is not a game at all, sometimes the reason why we are into gambling its because we are testing our fortune or if we are lucky enough to win the game, different people has a different mindset toward the things like this gambling, we need to take note of it, so for me, it is a game that test my mind, on how do I do next when things goes wrong when my strategy aren't good enough in the match so it the reason for me.`

Yeah right it's not all game gambling also use a smart way if you gamble you be smart and use your strategy right. But in gambling need also a luck if the strategy is good but no luck you can never win but once the two in you. You can win big amount and use the smart way once you win stop gamble and do go back again in other day.

When there is lack alone matter no people will come to gambling field. I will surely se strategy will play half of the site in every investment whether it is casino or sports betting.
Very few investors are looks only on leg based games I believe those people might be so lazy and greedy without the efforts.

[Visbay]

You are right. People have two reasons for gambling. First of all, money is the basic aim for those gamblers who are actually into it for bringing income. Others do it just for fun. But fun is a factor that could only be considered if a person is not having trouble in terms of funds. But let’s suppose you are running smooth in terms of economy even then it is possible that you get addicted to it.

It is not a game at all, sometimes the reason why we are into gambling its because we are testing our fortune or if we are lucky enough to win the game, different people has a different mindset toward the things like this gambling, we need to take note of it, so for me, it is a game that test my mind, on how do I do next when things goes wrong when my strategy aren't good enough in the match so it the reason for me.`

Yeah right it's not all game gambling also use a smart way if you gamble you be smart and use your strategy right. But in gambling need also a luck if the strategy is good but no luck you can never win but once the two in you. You can win big amount and use the smart way once you win stop gamble and do go back again in other day.

Yeah, gambling is a mixture of luck and strategy so for making a profit from gambling we will have to do both plays with care and also make wise strategists. In gambling people from different places use to come and invest their money to play well. In gambling, you will think positively about games we like then put all your effort to win after that you may leave all on your luck.

[ethereumhunter]

You are right. People have two reasons for gambling. First of all, money is the basic aim for those gamblers who are actually into it for bringing income. Others do it just for fun. But fun is a factor that could only be considered if a person is not having trouble in terms of funds. But let’s suppose you are running smooth in terms of economy even then it is possible that you get addicted to it.

It is not a game at all, sometimes the reason why we are into gambling its because we are testing our fortune or if we are lucky enough to win the game, different people has a different mindset toward the things like this gambling, we need to take note of it, so for me, it is a game that test my mind, on how do I do next when things goes wrong when my strategy aren't good enough in the match so it the reason for me.`

Yeah right it's not all game gambling also use a smart way if you gamble you be smart and use your strategy right. But in gambling need also a luck if the strategy is good but no luck you can never win but once the two in you. You can win big amount and use the smart way once you win stop gamble and do go back again in other day.

When we test our luck, it will never work because we don't know when the luck will come to us. But when we are playing gambling because of having fun, sometimes we will be lucky, and we can win the games. Sometimes we don't need to use any strategy because we don't chase anything except to have fun, and that can give us a chance to win because the luck comes to us. So when you want to have fun in gambling, you should not think about when your luck will come because we will never know.

[AicecreaME]

So, believe it or not, I find gambling more entertaining than video games

Wholeheartedly support this attitude

In the past I could play video games days on end (more specifically, first-person shooters). I hardly ever slept and ate, so it could be rightfully said that I was a gaming addict of sorts. Then one day I realized how I had been hurting my health and my life in general. I just lost interest soon thereafter

Today, when I try to play a shooter, even a classic which I consider one of the best ever (like both Half-Lives, both Bloods, first Far Cry, etc), I got bored within minutes. On the other hand, I don't feel bored at gambling at all (though I consciously control my playing habits), and I can explain exactly why so. It's because my money is at stake there

I'm on the same page, though these are my reasons. I also played video games, even mobile games, yes it is addicting at first but things change when I get the whole game's idea, that is when I got bored. I always think what would I get in these video games, just merely passing my time and a little bit of excitement in the first try, compare to gambling, which you could also do the same however your money is at stake (so better watch out), entertainment and the possibility of earning by winning are the reasons why it is more fun to do than video games, in my opinion.

To make this story short, it is about literally just for fun vs. fun with chances of winning

[Oceat]

In reality, there is no satisfaction in gambling. For those who seek satisfaction, I'm sorry to say but the word satisfaction is not existing. When we win through gambling, our desires will increase and even if we lose also, we have still desires to regain the losses. Most of us are seeking enjoyment but profit is also matter, there are many psychological factors that we should be aware when we are doing gambling.

I don't think you ever tried to play gambling while staking something that you own through hard work. The satisfaction that you feel when gambling while staking your hard earned money is different of what you have been talking, unless of course, if you have a problem of specifying what is satisfaction then that's a different story.

Those psychological factors that you are talking about of having an enjoyment is slowly being developed when playing in gambling. And there's a lot of ways to find enjoyment and pleasure not just in gambling because it is developing already when you are growing as a kid.

[deisik]

In reality, there is no satisfaction in gambling. For those who seek satisfaction, I'm sorry to say but the word satisfaction is not existing. When we win through gambling, our desires will increase and even if we lose also, we have still desires to regain the losses. Most of us are seeking enjoyment but profit is also matter, there are many psychological factors that we should be aware when we are doing gambling.

I don't think you ever tried to play gambling while staking something that you own through hard work. The satisfaction that you feel when gambling while staking your hard earned money is different of what you have been talking, unless of course, if you have a problem of specifying what is satisfaction then that's a different story

Honestly, I don't think satisfaction is the correct term for it

Satisfaction is typically what you feel after you get done with a piece of hard work, and with a good result at that. You may feel tired, in fact, you will feel tired, and it is a kind of tired that is very rewarding. Simply put, you feel satisfied with the results, sort of happy (or content if happy ain't your thing)

In gambling, however, it is more about adrenaline rush and dopamine hit (I admit I certainly like this turn of phrase). Given this, I don't really think the ensuing emotions can be called satisfaction even when you win (let alone when you lose). You are just too worked up and agitated, while satisfaction means calmness and tranquility

[eli113]

...
So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

if i got OP right , i can talk just for myself so i admit at first : contrary to my standard practice i read not other replies here at all

i have many "normal?' hobbies but gambling is one of my favorites

however there are two distinct branches way too different from my POV , i will reply to OP twice :

1. Real life gambling
   Meeting interesting people , even gambling maniacs are in a wicked way so interesting to watch , better than Netflix !
   Making lowest bets possible is my way , i buy satisfaction winning against variance beast , and bragging a bit around !
   I am always too relaxed as a person , i love to listen to my heart beat , proof i am alive kind of

2. Online gambling
   Chat is sub-optimal way to interact with other humans or bots? but still is fun activity for me
   My hyper active mind can run freely creating useless patterns and making nonsense conclusions
   it is however a mind training opportunity , after few decades i feel better and with less fallacies

I kept it short since i sensed you got my 2 satoshi

Elias Ch.

[Sebas.tian]

I feel excitement about the result of casino games is what that drives people into playing casino games again and again even if they know that game has no physical activity and it will end in seconds or fraction of it.

Absolutely correct, I could remember when I first started my gambling career. The reasons I was motivated was the big winnings on bitsler, thus makes me think its all possible to make good returns from doing gambling and so many times it does. Doing gambling was an opportunity for me to earn, until when my winnings went into the drains.

Actually, there are many things inside the game: the fun, the love of money, win bact to back  , among all; the opportunities that exist. Many a times this kept me wondering if anyone could see this. These factors inside the game also be the reasons for addiction of many gullible gamblers around the industries.

[Ucy]

I guess people could play on those kinds of games where useful & unique items can be designed or  won by players and sold to other players for money

Online games (like massively multiplayer online role-playing games) are exploiting this phenomenon to the hilt

Hopefully they create items that are really useful to players, so people don't get addicted to the wrong things.
Am particularly interested in farming or city construction kind of games. People could construct and sell materials to builders/farmers.    The best practicable farms (practicable in real world) or most sustainable practicable cities win hugh sums. This is probably a safe & useful way to spend time/money on gambling

[deisik]

i have many "normal?' hobbies but gambling is one of my favorites

however there are two distinct branches way too different from my POV , i will reply to OP twice :

1. Real life gambling
   Meeting interesting people , even gambling maniacs are in a wicked way so interesting to watch , better than Netflix !
   Making lowest bets possible is my way , i buy satisfaction winning against variance beast , and bragging a bit around !
   I am always too relaxed as a person , i love to listen to my heart beat , proof i am alive kind of

So gambling for you is more about socializing, bonding and connecting with people, right

In other words, it is just a way of doing these things. But could you get there doing something else, or, more generally speaking, could we get whatever we get out of gambling via other routes? I mean emotionally, purely financial incentives aside. But even with money, there are different ways to earn dough, while gambling is definitely not the best way of making a living (unless you are a casino owner yourself)

The point is, after we have explored the questions raised in the OP and found plausible answers to them (like gambling being a sort of roller coaster when we need it), we could go further and start looking for alternatives to it which would give us essentially the same emotional boost but without its side effects like losing money and having to deal with withdrawal (if you are a gambling addict)

[BitcoinTurk]

People generally prefer to gamble for 2 main reasons. The first of these reasons is to make money and get rich shortly. Generally, I think that I am not mistaken if I interpret that everyone who gambles is addicted and loses all their money by gambling. There are even players who are beyond this and have a gambling debt. To talk about the other reason, I want to say that it is personal entertainment and spending time. These kinds of players usually play gambling only to spend their free time and have fun. In addition, while such players generally do not have financial difficulties, they only use surplus money when gambling. To comment on myself, I am someone who plays gambling for fun and I have never gambled to get rich. Of course, I occasionally play coupons or high prize games with surprising results, but in doing so, my expectation is not to be rich, but to try my luck entirely.

[Reatim]

I guess people could play on those kinds of games where useful & unique items can be designed or  won by players and sold to other players for money

Online games (like massively multiplayer online role-playing games) are exploiting this phenomenon to the hilt

Hopefully they create items that are really useful to players, so people don't get addicted to the wrong things.
Am particularly interested in farming or city construction kind of games. People could construct and sell materials to builders/farmers.    The best practicable farms (practicable in real world) or most sustainable practicable cities win hugh sums. This is probably a safe & useful way to spend time/money on gambling

if this is what we want to have then we are not looking for Gambling site instead we are aiming for Online games in Apps,like what EOS platform offers and you can find some games like this that you can gain items and sell it to EOS .because gambling suppose to Gather our money and the House will always win,because if not then why they will continue the site right?

[shoreno]

my expectation is not to be rich, but to try my luck entirely.

sounds familliar eh ?  i think i heard this phrase before where some users say that they gamble because they only want to test thier luck if they were lucky that time they play . this will give you an enjoyment and chills especially when you hit closer payouts that you ever wanted to hit but the good part is that you arent betting too much which is nice   . but to me , i also rolls a few times a day on higher payouts but this is my plan already  . i wanted to profit big so i keep on trying to do this

[STT]

So, believe it or not, I find gambling more entertaining than video games

I could understand that if you played every game there is and games have all become a bit random and distant.    I feel modern gaming has lost its roots in the genuine gameplay required to really supply a hook or thread to the player program involvement.
   Modern games I can watch on Twitch and its almost like a movie, some literally are chained cut scenes so the two sectors have merged to some extent.  I no longer am the player just an observer to the game universe and yea I dont really like that.  If a game lacks the knives edge between success and failure, is it real any more.   I find this alot, modern pampering is not what we got on proper games years ago and then add in a possibility of latency introduced from distant internet based multiplayer and its all a bit foggy and turgid.

[deisik]

Modern games I can watch on Twitch and its almost like a movie, some literally are chained cut scenes so the two sectors have merged to some extent

It's a little bit off-topic here but let me add my opinion

I certainly understand what you refer to. More specifically, you refer to games which are linear, and you have to follow a preset scenario as events are unfolding in the game. But there are also other games like already mentioned Far Cry, with huge open worlds where you are not required to follow a prearranged train of events at predefined moments, and can explore the environment as you see funnier

I remember as in the first Far Cry you could escape the limits imposed on you by the game's script after some effort, and then wander around the whole location freely and even hit your enemies from above, where you were not supposed to be (well, at least it felt that way). Indeed, you would still have to die instantly if you actually reached and then tried to cross the boundaries of the game world, but within those boundaries you didn't have to follow the script

[AicecreaME]

I feel excitement about the result of casino games is what that drives people into playing casino games again and again even if they know that game has no physical activity and it will end in seconds or fraction of it.

Absolutely correct, I could remember when I first started my gambling career. The reasons I was motivated was the big winnings on bitsler, thus makes me think its all possible to make good returns from doing gambling and so many times it does. Doing gambling was an opportunity for me to earn, until when my winnings went into the drains.

Sadly, false hope will never benefits us in the long run, it is a monster that has a mask of an angel, you think it will brings you fortune, but the reality is way too far from what you were expecting, that is why you face a disaster in the end, if you win big a couple of times, then it hit you back tripled times as big as your winnings in gambling, and that is the part where your money would be drained, just like what you have said, the next thing you know, your debt is killing you.

It is so ironic where the joy that you tend to feel at the start of your journey in gambling will turn to a chaos in your life lately.

[rodskee]

my expectation is not to be rich, but to try my luck entirely.

sounds familliar eh ?  i think i heard this phrase before where some users say that they gamble because they only want to test thier luck if they were lucky that time they play . this will give you an enjoyment and chills especially when you hit closer payouts that you ever wanted to hit but the good part is that you arent betting too much which is nice   . but to me , i also rolls a few times a day on higher payouts but this is my plan already  . i wanted to profit big so i keep on trying to do this

lol one of the most pretending word from someone who's hiding identity about gambling activities.

how can you say that you are not playing to get richer(of course richer from your current status that means any higher amount can be called as rich)but you only trying your luck?
for what reason?if you lose will you never gamble again since it wasnt your luck?ot you are just fooling your self because each time you played trying your luck again and again lol.

[deisik]

It is so ironic where the joy that you tend to feel at the start of your journey in gambling will turn to a chaos in your life lately

It is not just about gambling

A lot of other addictions (since we are apparently talking about addiction here) start this way exactly. What distinguishes gambling from other addictions (and for the worse) is the amount of chaos it can wreak in so short a time. Even drug addiction takes time to develop and destroy one's life (sometimes years), but with gambling it can be literally a matter of minutes within which one's life is ruined. Put differently, it is a short cut between the joy and the grief

[AicecreaME]

It is so ironic where the joy that you tend to feel at the start of your journey in gambling will turn to a chaos in your life lately

It is not just about gambling

A lot of other addictions (since we are apparently talking about addiction here) start this way exactly. What distinguishes gambling from other addictions (and for the worse) is the amount of chaos it can wreak in so short a time. Even drug addiction takes time to develop and destroy one's life (sometimes years), but with gambling it can be literally a matter of minutes within which one's life is ruined. Put differently, it is a short cut between the joy and the grief

It could be also applied in general, any addictions will make a damage, internally or externally, even emotionally, the only difference is that we don't notice it yet at first, because it is only small like dust, until it gets in our eyes and it hurts. For example is like the addiction of alcohol in drugs, it might be a little off topic but hear me out at least. A person who just started drinking alcohol or use drugs won't feel it's effect as well as its harmful effect on our body, unless that person are doing it everyday, many times a day, and then when our body can't handle it anymore, that is when we started to feel something aches (in general).

Summary of that, we take precautions when it's too late, when we are dying, the reasons are too many to mention, either we are dying because of stress on how we are going to pay our debts, our bills, our health is at risk, so on and so forth.

[Betwrong]

Modern games I can watch on Twitch and its almost like a movie, some literally are chained cut scenes so the two sectors have merged to some extent

It's a little bit off-topic here but let me add my opinion

I certainly understand what you refer to. More specifically, you refer to games which are linear, and you have to follow a preset scenario as events are unfolding in the game. But there are also other games like already mentioned Far Cry, with huge open worlds where you are not required to follow a prearranged train of events at predefined moments, and can explore the environment as you see funnier

I remember as in the first Far Cry you could escape the limits imposed on you by the game's script after some effort, and then wander around the whole location freely and even hit your enemies from above, where you were not supposed to be (well, at least it felt that way). Indeed, you would still have to die instantly if you actually reached and then tried to cross the boundaries of the game world, but within those boundaries you didn't have to follow the script

Exactly that's why I find gambling so entertaining, you are not following any script at all, everything is unpredictable. When in video gaming it all comes down to figuring out the fastest way of finishing the game, there is no such thing in gambling, you, in fact, can't figure out anything, the outcome is truly unpredictable. If someone finds out how to finish a game successfully and uploads a playthrough on YouTube, anyone can watch it, then repeat all the acts, and finish the game successfully as well. But similar instructions for games like dice, slots etc. are all scams, and they never work. And if it were otherwise, games would stop bringing profits to gambling sites owners withing a week after their release, and the sites would die out, one by one, in no time.

[deisik]

I remember as in the first Far Cry you could escape the limits imposed on you by the game's script after some effort, and then wander around the whole location freely and even hit your enemies from above, where you were not supposed to be (well, at least it felt that way). Indeed, you would still have to die instantly if you actually reached and then tried to cross the boundaries of the game world, but within those boundaries you didn't have to follow the script

Exactly that's why I find gambling so entertaining, you are not following any script at all, everything is unpredictable. When in video gaming it all comes down to figuring out the fastest way of finishing the game, there is no such thing in gambling, you, in fact, can't figure out anything, the outcome is truly unpredictable. If someone finds out how to finish a game successfully and uploads a playthrough on YouTube, anyone can watch it, then repeat all the acts, and finish the game successfully as well

But isn't that the same with movies?

As before watching a certain movie, you can read its plot in the Wiki article. I don't know about you personally, but some movies (well, it is more about film series actually but still) I watched half a dozen times already and will likely watch them as much in the future (which would make it a whole dozen, I guess). Anyway, no one forces you to read or view these walkthroughs or use the cheat codes



And some games are so fascinating that you play them over and over again. Okay, I don't play them anymore, but I played in the past. Apart from that, there are games with hidden levels. I remember one such game, Blade of Darkness, where there was an entire game within the game which started after you finished the latter and collected some artifacts (called runes if I remember correctly)

[White Christmas]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

[ice098]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

I also play dice because it is fun to play and lots of thrill. Yes indeed this game will really test your luck because as what you have said, this game is not strategical meaning to say you can just play it for fun and money. If you are lucky enough to win the game, it means you are fortunate but if you frequently lose the game it means you are unfortunate.

[wozzek23]

I guess people could play on those kinds of games where useful & unique items can be designed or  won by players and sold to other players for money

Online games (like massively multiplayer online role-playing games) are exploiting this phenomenon to the hilt

Hopefully they create items that are really useful to players, so people don't get addicted to the wrong things.
Am particularly interested in farming or city construction kind of games. People could construct and sell materials to builders/farmers.    The best practicable farms (practicable in real world) or most sustainable practicable cities win hugh sums. This is probably a safe & useful way to spend time/money on gambling

These are actually among the imaginary games. You do not need your luck in such games, but you do need to work hard to build your space or farms onto the space on internet in order to cultivate profits over there. These kind of games are also much popular among the youngsters but they do not assume these games as gambling.

They play these games just to spend their time and to entertain themselves. They might also play these games in order to challenge their friends on the same game which would make them feel proud about their gaming skills.

But, does these kind of games really deserve space in the gambling industry? We do not really have that time to start farming or constructing building from our busy schedule.

[KnightElite]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

It is all about enjoyment, I also playing dice games in order for me to enjoy. Dice games doesn't need our skills, it is about pure luck. My winning rate in dice games is above average where I have 60% in terms of winning. Most of the gamblers are also prefer to play dice games because it id easy to underdtand due to basic mechanics. Dice games for me is all about enjoyment, there are times that I killing my time by playing that kind of game.

[maydna]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

It is all about enjoyment, I also playing dice games in order for me to enjoy. Dice games doesn't need our skills, it is about pure luck. My winning rate in dice games is above average where I have 60% in terms of winning. Most of the gamblers are also prefer to play dice games because it id easy to underdtand due to basic mechanics. Dice games for me is all about enjoyment, there are times that I killing my time by playing that kind of game.

Enjoying the gambling game is what we should do because if we don't enjoy the game and only think about how to win the money, that will make us curious, and our tension will become high. Playing dice games is a way for you to enjoy and to have fun, but you don't have to spend more money because playing dice games will need the luck to win.  Most gamblers will spend their money until left, and they will always come back to the games and hope that they can win someday. If we can use gambling games as a way of killing time or spending our free time, then it will not be a problem, but of course, you will need to have control for yourself.

[Betwrong]

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But isn't that the same with movies?

As before watching a certain movie, you can read its plot in the Wiki article. I don't know about you personally, but some movies (well, it is more about film series actually but still) I watched half a dozen times already and will likely watch them as much in the future (which would make it a whole dozen, I guess).

Same here, mate, same here! Some movies, such as Pulp Fiction, Fight Club, Inception,  The Matrix, Memento, The Big Lebowski and some others, I watched more than 10 times, and I'm going to watch them again in the future. Knowing the plot doesn't make a good movie uninteresting to watch(for me personally).

Anyway, no one forces you to read or view these walkthroughs or use the cheat codes

True, but my point was that no one, even in principle, could provide similar(valid) walkthroughs for gambling games such as dice, roulette, slots etc. And this fact makes the latter games more unpredictable, and thus more entertaining than video games. Well, for me at least.

[deisik]

Anyway, no one forces you to read or view these walkthroughs or use the cheat codes

True, but my point was that no one, even in principle, could provide similar(valid) walkthroughs for gambling games such as dice, roulette, slots etc

But why not really?

I have already provided a valid "walkthrough" for dice by using a tailored version of the martingale strategy. Indeed, it won't help you win insane profits, but something is still better than nothing. For fuck's sake, it fits in quite well with the definition of a walkthrough as a guide assisting players in some game

On the other hand (in case you disagree), it can be said that these games of chance (dice, roulette, slots, etc) are in fact quite predictable in the sense you are set to lose in the long run. Can it be considered a valid walkthrough? I doubt that, but it doesn't make them less predictable in this regard, right?

[amishmanish]

I have already provided a valid "walkthrough" for dice by using a tailored version of the martingale strategy. Indeed, it won't help you win insane profits, but something is still better than nothing. For fuck's sake, it fits in quite well with the definition of a walkthrough as a guide assisting players in some game

I am a new wanderer to these parts and "A walkthrough of the martingale strategy" is something I'd be interested in. It'll be great if you can share a link.

If this discussion is comparing PC/ Console gaming experience and the movie experience with the Gambling experience, isn't that a losing bet? Purely for entertainment, gaming is way better. Gambling games have a much lower outcome time though. Like, I could be stuck playing DoTA for over 40 minutes while I could lose/ win a lot of bets in that time. Though every kill in the game is also an outcome in itself yet the effort that goes in setting up a gank and rolling a dice is incomparable.
My opinion on the original question is that it is hard for me to understand the charm of purely luck based gambling. Betting on the other hand seems slightly more interesting because there you do have a certain set of information to use for deciding what you will bet on.

[ethereumhunter]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

I also play dice because it is fun to play and lots of thrill. Yes indeed this game will really test your luck because as what you have said, this game is not strategical meaning to say you can just play it for fun and money. If you are lucky enough to win the game, it means you are fortunate but if you frequently lose the game it means you are unfortunate.

Playing dice games can make us chase the win money even if that is for little money. Yes, that will make us use more money to play, and we want to get the next winning if we already win. Dice games will also attract you to go deeper into those games, and many people can become addicted to the games without they realize that dice games can be dangerous gambling games. Yes, our luck will not come many times in many rounds because no matter what strategy we use, we need to depend on the luck.

[Betwrong]

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On the other hand (in case you disagree), it can be said that these games of chance (dice, roulette, slots, etc) are in fact quite predictable in the sense you are set to lose in the long run. Can it be considered a valid walkthrough? I doubt that, but it doesn't make them less predictable in this regard, right?

It depends on what you mean by "in the long run". I know dice players who were 3-5 BTC in profit from playing this game for several years. And it's not from their words, but from the stats. Unfortunately, you can't see someone's total profit currently on PD, but I remember seeing that last year. You are more likely to lose in the long run, that's true, but it's not like it's set.

What is predictable in Dice is that you won't win with higher than 9900x payout. But even that is not completely accurate because you can win much more by hitting a jackpot. And with Mines, you can win with 5 million+ payout. Can you imagine that? With betting just 1 satoshi you can win almost $500! What kind of video game can provide you with such a thrill?

Well, I'm forgetting that people are different. So, it would be more right to say, no video game can provide me with such a thrill.

[deisik]

I have already provided a valid "walkthrough" for dice by using a tailored version of the martingale strategy. Indeed, it won't help you win insane profits, but something is still better than nothing. For fuck's sake, it fits in quite well with the definition of a walkthrough as a guide assisting players in some game

I am a new wanderer to these parts and "A walkthrough of the martingale strategy" is something I'd be interested in. It'll be great if you can share a link

Sorry, saw your question but forgot to answer it

If you are really interested in exploring this area, you should start here and read the whole topic. Well, you can skip some posts but reading mine is a must, especially the ones with stats (if you really want to get the hang of that thing). It is about martingale (as I mentioned) but run with a very specific setup aimed at exploiting variance

After you are done, you can also read our discussion on the matter with Betwrong in some other topic around here. I don't remember which exactly but maybe he will tell you where (anyway, you can always use the search button). At first he was a doubting Thomas of sorts but then I successfully converted him

[Ucy]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

It is all about enjoyment, I also playing dice games in order for me to enjoy. Dice games doesn't need our skills, it is about pure luck. My winning rate in dice games is above average where I have 60% in terms of winning. Most of the gamblers are also prefer to play dice games because it id easy to underdtand due to basic mechanics. Dice games for me is all about enjoyment, there are times that I killing my time by playing that kind of game.

Enjoying the gambling game is what we should do because if we don't enjoy the game and only think about how to win the money, that will make us curious, and our tension will become high. Playing dice games is a way for you to enjoy and to have fun, but you don't have to spend more money because playing dice games will need the luck to win.  Most gamblers will spend their money until left, and they will always come back to the games and hope that they can win someday. If we can use gambling games as a way of killing time or spending our free time, then it will not be a problem, but of course, you will need to have control for yourself.

Probably better to assume that your gambling fund is lost already, If you don't want "your tension to get high".

I still don't think it's a good idea to enjoy taking risk with luck-based gambling. Those that are after the monetary rewards will likely stop once they notice their unprofitability after gambling for a long time,but the fun seeking gamblers could always rely on gambling once bored, unhappy, depressed etc. If the gambler's unhappiness becomes frequent, gambling will certainly be one of the things he/she rely  on to be happy

[peter0425]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

but this is the easiest Gambling game ever created right?

you need no knowledge as long as you choose the Numbers to bet,not like other game that there are too many things we need to learn.

also most of the starter in gambling specially here in online use to play Dice first before diverting to other Gambling game offers by sites.

[deisik]

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On the other hand (in case you disagree), it can be said that these games of chance (dice, roulette, slots, etc) are in fact quite predictable in the sense you are set to lose in the long run. Can it be considered a valid walkthrough? I doubt that, but it doesn't make them less predictable in this regard, right?

It depends on what you mean by "in the long run". I know dice players who were 3-5 BTC in profit from playing this game for several years. And it's not from their words, but from the stats. Unfortunately, you can't see someone's total profit currently on PD, but I remember seeing that last year. You are more likely to lose in the long run, that's true, but it's not like it's set

And what is in these stats?

Are they playing dice with martingale? Then, "I told you so". Otherwise, I can envisage only one way they can stay in profit after so many years of dicing. That is if they won jackpot and they continued to gamble for dust, or that they were gambling for dust first and then proceeded to win jackpot. You simply can't have it any other way

To summarize it in more abstract terms, they managed to make luck relevant in the time span of those several years. And then they were just lucky enough without even being extremely lucky to be in profit at this moment. Put differently, "in the long run" means long enough to make luck irrelevant while the house edge overwhelming

you need no knowledge as long as you choose the Numbers to bet,not like other game that there are too many things we need to learn

Yes, it's the embodiment of simplicity without losing the intensity

[Lucasgabd]

that is quite a nice topic, one of the best I've seen on this part of the forum

I bet (pun intended) it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

[imstillthebest]

it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

thats what they says . being addicted cause by dopamine in the brain  .

small wins dont gives me dopamine but big wins yes . these days i dont feel like gambling when i only have a small money or a small coins on my account .

easy money yes , this what i think of everytime i step on the gambling platform but the hard truth is that the more i think for easy money the harder i can earn because i end up betting huge and loosing pretty quickly .

[abel1337]

it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

thats what they says . being addicted cause by dopamine in the brain  .

small wins dont gives me dopamine but big wins yes . these days i dont feel like gambling when i only have a small money or a small coins on my account .

easy money yes , this what i think of everytime i step on the gambling platform but the hard truth is that the more i think for easy money the harder i can earn because i end up betting huge and loosing pretty quickly .

There are different types of people who experience dopamine during a gambling session, There are many things to consider too. In my case, I feel nervous when I am losing money on the early rounds and keep thinking to regain it, The thing that makes me nervous is the feeling that I will bet hard enough to regain the loss I got and getting bankrupt in the end. I got some techniques or behavior I develop to avoid that and it greatly helps me.

[deisik]

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

Well, I agree that these people may not think about it this way exactly

However, this is how it may play out in the end (pun intended as well). I mean people lose big time and that teaches them a lesson, the hard way, that is. So they end up "personally grown" in a sense (not all but many). A few years ago I lost like 1.5 BTC in one losing streak at PD, and I guess that taught me something. The point is, if we can use such an experience in other areas of our lives (transfer it), it may be worth the buck (lost) after all

[naikturun]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

As the debates and discussions here clearly show, there are two major camps in respect to the question why people are gambling. The first camp claim that people gamble because they are looking for ways to earn money (something like the notorious "get rich fast" scheme). The other camp say there are as well people who gamble just for the fun of it (to be clear, they don't deny the monetary incentives of some, or most, of the players). Let's call such an attitude personal enjoyment as that seems to be the established term (you're welcome to come up with a different name for it)

To reassert, I'm not discarding the possibility that quite a few people may be looking into gambling as a source of easy money (whether it actually is, or can be, is another question), or that it can in fact be their primary incentive. But this topic is not about such people. In this topic I want to dissect and analyze the other group of gamblers (and their motivations), the one that is actually playing for its own sake, for personal enjoyment and entertainment. And here's the question (a few questions) to muse over while taking a break from rolling the dice

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling, or are there many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

so my opinion people like this do not have a goal in life, like nothing you want to achieve and just stay in place, like throwing dice as you say there is no need for skill only luck and everyone can do it.
there is no difficulty or obstacle, only six sides are thrown together continuously.

[Betwrong]

~ It depends on what you mean by "in the long run". I know dice players who were 3-5 BTC in profit from playing this game for several years. And it's not from their words, but from the stats. Unfortunately, you can't see someone's total profit currently on PD, but I remember seeing that last year. You are more likely to lose in the long run, that's true, but it's not like it's set

And what is in these stats?

Are they playing dice with martingale? Then, "I told you so".

Yeah, I do remember that. But you were telling about winning only small amounts with that strategy, and that's why you suggested to bet with the smallest fraction of DOGE instead of BTC. One needs to have like 100 million BTC to employ that strategy successfully with it.

Otherwise, I can envisage only one way they can stay in profit after so many years of dicing. That is if they won jackpot and they continued to gamble for dust, or that they were gambling for dust first and then proceeded to win jackpot. You simply can't have it any other way

To summarize it in more abstract terms, they managed to make luck relevant in the time span of those several years. And then they were just lucky enough without even being extremely lucky to be in profit at this moment. Put differently, "in the long run" means long enough to make luck irrelevant while the house edge overwhelming

No, those guys(I'm talking about just 2 players, actually, whom I've never met offline, but had plenty of chatting with) didn't win because of a specific strategy. But you are right, both of them won big one day, and then were playing with dust later on. One of them, who won 5 BTC, told me that he withdrawn right away and sold all of it at around $600 per BTC. He was smart enough to not risk the won money, but not enough to hold BTC until the $20k peak.(but who of us was?) ...

Anyways, my point is that one shouldn't necessarily lose in the long run(even if we take your definition of "in the long run" here). If you are wise enough to know that big wins happen extremely rarely, you can cash out right after that happens, and then play with dust for 5 or 10 years afterwards, thus remaining in positive profit for a long time.

[deisik]

Are they playing dice with martingale? Then, "I told you so".

Yeah, I do remember that. But you were telling about winning only small amounts with that strategy, and that's why you suggested to bet with the smallest fraction of DOGE instead of BTC. One needs to have like 100 million BTC to employ that strategy successfully with it

That's true indeed. You can't beat the house with Bitcoin. You need a somewhat more powerful weapon, with greater killing power. And Dogecoin is that kryptonite (pun intended)

Anyways, my point is that one shouldn't necessarily lose in the long run(even if we take your definition of "in the long run" here). If you are wise enough to know that big wins happen extremely rarely, you can cash out right after that happens, and then play with dust for 5 or 10 years afterwards, thus remaining in positive profit for a long time

These dudes just got lucky

And then were smart enough not to try their luck again. However, you could just as well stay away from gambling altogether after hitting a jackpot, right? But would that count as winning big all that time? Apparently not, but this is not what you meant to convey, or at least not how it got over to me. I understood it like they were extremely lucky and had been winning huge amounts all the time. But it was only a one-off event

[RealMalatesta]

Definitely I would not have been into gambling, if I was not told about the possibility of winning big. After all frustration and humiliation, we do gamble only for the reason of wiping out all the problems with one big win, like winning a lambo in freebitco.in.

I believe when people are seeing how other people are making money from gambling (regardless of those are true or fake) , they just want to copy that. They keep on trying until achieving their dream target. This must be the reason why all casinos are very prompt about posting their results of all contests. They want to tempt at all possible ways.

Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

[maydna]

Enjoying the gambling game is what we should do because if we don't enjoy the game and only think about how to win the money, that will make us curious, and our tension will become high. Playing dice games is a way for you to enjoy and to have fun, but you don't have to spend more money because playing dice games will need the luck to win.  Most gamblers will spend their money until left, and they will always come back to the games and hope that they can win someday. If we can use gambling games as a way of killing time or spending our free time, then it will not be a problem, but of course, you will need to have control for yourself.

Probably better to assume that your gambling fund is lost already, If you don't want "your tension to get high".

I still don't think it's a good idea to enjoy taking risk with luck-based gambling. Those that are after the monetary rewards will likely stop once they notice their unprofitability after gambling for a long time,but the fun seeking gamblers could always rely on gambling once bored, unhappy, depressed etc. If the gambler's unhappiness becomes frequent, gambling will certainly be one of the things he/she rely  on to be happy

I think our tension will still get high even if we assume the fund is already lost because the passion for playing gambling games will still be there.

At least, if you can enjoy the game and use small money to place the bets, you will have the rest of the money. That will better if you can stop the game and leave the place, so you still have that money. But yes, stopping the game will be the best decision you can do if you cannot see the chance to win. When you still playing gambling for more, you will get another feeling, and I guess that the bad feeling will be bigger than the good feeling. So enjoy the game while you can, and stop the game while you can.

[sheenshane]

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Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

But it isn't the same feeling of having a thrill and maybe feeling intense while you are in gambling. You should spend a buck of money while watching movie and eating popcorn. The money will make you happy all the way, but spend only what you can afford.

However, Dopamine is a very wide type of stimuli. As a matter of fact, checking your social media's notification about yourself has the same effect as winning big in gambling. It really is addicting especially when you let yourself be carried out with your emotions. I believe that no conscious person will ever be addicted to gambling. As they know they are the ones who will choose their destiny. Luck isn't the thing. It's conscious and manifestation.

You have to control your luck, always. That is possible. Wanna know how? Work hard, stop trying to look for shortcuts.

[deisik]

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Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

But it isn't the same feeling of having a thrill and maybe feeling intense while you are in gambling. You should spend a buck of money while watching movie and eating popcorn

With gambling, the thrill lies in the opportunity, or more correct, in the possibility of winning your money back and above that. I think it's a crucial difference. In a cinema, you typically don't expect to get your money paid back to you

You have to control your luck, always. That is possible. Wanna know how? Work hard, stop trying to look for shortcuts

Honestly, I don't think it is a bright idea

The point is, you can't control your luck in a productive way. In practice, it would mean ignoring worthy opportunities which can be made available to you only through luck. This mode of reasoning and the behavioral patterns that follow from it ("stop trying to look for shortcuts") will make you ignore a shortcut when you are lucky to encounter one. Indeed, you should work hard, but when you see a real chance, don't wait and think twice before someone else takes it. In other words, don't underestimate the power of luck in life. It is real, important, and can be life-changing

[carlisle1]

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Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

You have to control your luck, always. That is possible. Wanna know how? Work hard, stop trying to look for shortcuts.

that is not possible mate,because luck only Knock once and also no one knows when this will come or will be on their way.

what you are saying about working hard and not looking for shortcuts ,this is perseverance and dedicating mate and not luck at all.

but that is best to be aware on what is going on mate and not just betting /playing.

[deisik]

what you are saying about working hard and not looking for shortcuts ,this is perseverance and dedicating mate and not luck at all

That's what he means

He is just cutting off the impact of luck from the life equation, if I can say so. If we follow this path, we will be inclined to reject the lucky moments we all have now and then. And losing such a lucky opportunity when it presents itself may cause, and most certainly does, great regrets that will follow us through our entire lives. Rationalizing a failure to grab an opportunity at the right time in the way described can indeed make suffering less severe but it also facilitates more such failures in the future

[XenoFever]

I think personal enjoyment is one feeling inside us that only we will know because other people will not know how that feeling and that feeling will be different between other people. I don't have any feeling in gambling except for enjoying the moment I played because I don't have motives for financial.

When I play dice games, I want to release my free time because I don't know what I want to do, so I decide to play the dice game, and when I remember what I should do, I will close the browser and do what I remember. Although that will be a short time for me to playing a dice game, I am okay with that because I don't search for making money.

There are so many gamblers in this virtual world, there are so many addicted to this kind of game, and for me, the reasons of addiction in gambling are the ability of having an easy money, and also the fun that this game gives to them,  but in fact, it is all not true because according to Timothy J. Legg a researcher, People who live with this kind of addiction may experience depression, migraine, distress, intestinal disorders, and other anxiety-related problems. As with other addictions, the consequences of gambling can lead to feelings of despair and helplessness, so meaning to say, aside from losing money in gambling, there is also harm in your psychological health. So you better stop gambling. The websites of the gambling game are the only one who wins this game.  

[MWesterweele]

Definitely I would not have been into gambling, if I was not told about the possibility of winning big. After all frustration and humiliation, we do gamble only for the reason of wiping out all the problems with one big win, like winning a lambo in freebitco.in.

I believe when people are seeing how other people are making money from gambling (regardless of those are true or fake) , they just want to copy that. They keep on trying until achieving their dream target. This must be the reason why all casinos are very prompt about posting their results of all contests. They want to tempt at all possible ways.

Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

In gambling we are also learning many experiences and it can help us in many ways, and throughout the game, it is not a game after all, it is also a source of our funds, it is also our source of fun , if we really understand what gambling it is not only the game that can give us money that we wanted, it can help ourselves and our minds as well.

[peter0425]

I think personal enjoyment is one feeling inside us that only we will know because other people will not know how that feeling and that feeling will be different between other people. I don't have any feeling in gambling except for enjoying the moment I played because I don't have motives for financial.

When I play dice games, I want to release my free time because I don't know what I want to do, so I decide to play the dice game, and when I remember what I should do, I will close the browser and do what I remember. Although that will be a short time for me to playing a dice game, I am okay with that because I don't search for making money.

There are so many gamblers in this virtual world, there are so many addicted to this kind of game, and for me, the reasons of addiction in gambling are the ability of having an easy money, and also the fun that this game gives to them,

that two are different thing mate Having fun in Gambling wont bring us to addiction i am sure about that because we can control our emotion with this but looking for easy money?that is addicting and that will bring us to failure.

 but in fact, it is all not true because according to Timothy J. Legg a researcher, People who live with this kind of addiction may experience depression, migraine, distress, intestinal disorders, and other anxiety-related problems. As with other addictions, the consequences of gambling can lead to feelings of despair and helplessness, so meaning to say, aside from losing money in gambling, there is also harm in your psychological health. So you better stop gambling. The websites of the gambling game are the only one who wins this game.  

yeah that research is right and accurate but it doesnt mean we need to stop gambling at all,because what is the intention of that research is to let people know that they need to control and manage gambling rightfully before they become loser at all.

[Lucasgabd]

it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

thats what they says . being addicted cause by dopamine in the brain  .

small wins dont gives me dopamine but big wins yes . these days i dont feel like gambling when i only have a small money or a small coins on my account .

easy money yes , this what i think of everytime i step on the gambling platform but the hard truth is that the more i think for easy money the harder i can earn because i end up betting huge and loosing pretty quickly .

this is quite amazing about human nature
people will experience dopamine differently.

some have more resistance, some less, so forth and so on.

for some people a small win will feel the same as a big win.

[Betwrong]

Anyways, my point is that one shouldn't necessarily lose in the long run(even if we take your definition of "in the long run" here). If you are wise enough to know that big wins happen extremely rarely, you can cash out right after that happens, and then play with dust for 5 or 10 years afterwards, thus remaining in positive profit for a long time

These dudes just got lucky

And then were smart enough not to try their luck again. However, you could just as well stay away from gambling altogether after hitting a jackpot, right? But would that count as winning big all that time? Apparently not, but this is not what you meant to convey, or at least not how it got over to me. I understood it like they were extremely lucky and had been winning huge amounts all the time. But it was only a one-off event

Sorry, I should have explained my point of view better then. I would never say that I knew gamblers who were winning huge amounts all the time, because it would encourage people to look for some "winning strategies", and they could become victims of some scammers in the end.

I think that in luck based games no strategy can help you to win big all the time. If you play big stakes(and you can't win big otherwise, btw) you are going to lose big, sooner or later. That's like a general rule. However, with hundreds of millions(1.6 billion, by some estimations) people gambling each year, there have to be deviations from the general rule, and it can be 50, or even 100 people, who win big from playing dice(or another luck based game) during a particular year. And 3-4 gamblers(out of 1.6 billion) winning big 5-10 years in row is also possible. And, whatever they might think, the reason for their winnings was pure luck, and not their strategies, witchcraft, prayers or whatever. And the sooner they understand it, the more money they will save.

[bitcoinst]

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

Well, I agree that these people may not think about it this way exactly

However, this is how it may play out in the end (pun intended as well). I mean people lose big time and that teaches them a lesson, the hard way, that is. So they end up "personally grown" in a sense (not all but many). A few years ago I lost like 1.5 BTC in one losing streak at PD, and I guess that taught me something. The point is, if we can use such an experience in other areas of our lives (transfer it), it may be worth the buck (lost) after all

That's right. Our brain is designed in such a way that only our own mistakes help us to learn and develop. The main question is how each individual relates to their own mistakes.
The best thing you can do is try to correct the mistake and learn a valuable lesson from it, because all our mistakes teach us something.
In fact, any situation in life teaches us something, and Gamblin is that area of activity in which any mistake can lead to a big loss, and the temptation to make a mistake in Gambling is full.

[Twentyonepaylots]

that is quite a nice topic, one of the best I've seen on this part of the forum

I bet (pun intended) it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

Aside from the fake impression of winning, game of chances are really booming because of the fact that they make it so that the gamblers feel like everyone has an equal chance at winning. They make the common joe want to feel like the scarface when he sits down the gambling table. Which is generally untrue, as some people, even the game master can be bought for their services and put the odds in favor of the one who can pay an acceptable price. That's why gambling is big, it's accessible to everyone, and it makes people think thst it is for everyone.

[doomistake]

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

Well, I agree that these people may not think about it this way exactly

However, this is how it may play out in the end (pun intended as well). I mean people lose big time and that teaches them a lesson, the hard way, that is. So they end up "personally grown" in a sense (not all but many). A few years ago I lost like 1.5 BTC in one losing streak at PD, and I guess that taught me something. The point is, if we can use such an experience in other areas of our lives (transfer it), it may be worth the buck (lost) after all

Correct.

There is this saying or lyrics in a song saying that you should be afraid of not trying than risking something, so basically, even if we lose any amount of money in gambling, the most important thing to look or to realize is the fact that we gave it a try. The result might be devastating for us that could cause depression or frustration, but we just need to look on silver linings in life to gives us hope after a mistake (is it?).

[SquallLeonhart]

There is this saying or lyrics in a song saying that you should be afraid of not trying than risking something, so basically, even if we lose any amount of money in gambling, the most important thing to look or to realize is the fact that we gave it a try. The result might be devastating for us that could cause depression or frustration, but we just need to look on silver linings in life to gives us hope after a mistake (is it?).

Probably you are misunderstanding that saying. You must try something it is already proven for your betterment in your life. It means you should not try what is already proven injurious to your health and wealth. You should afraid of doing those proven bad things and trying them is not just risking but it is like playing with snake even after knowing what will a snake do.

You may put your efforts in something to innovate something which is risking your efforts and it will be welcome by everyone and you should not bother about the final outcome; here that saying fits more appropriately. You are welcome to risk on something rather than being lazy but those try should not be on already proven bad things.

[blckhawk]

There are other types of games in relation to gambling. Rolling dice might not be the most entertaining one. Some types of gambling games that could entertain a gambler is betting on something, like in horse racing. The anticipation is what drives them to be thrilled. Other type of games include card games, some with few mechanics, but is still based on luck.

What I see that can also entertain a user is the interaction he gets on gambling. Chat rooms and such also adds to the entertainment and enjoyment they feel.

[deisik]

However, with hundreds of millions(1.6 billion, by some estimations) people gambling each year, there have to be deviations from the general rule, and it can be 50, or even 100 people, who win big from playing dice(or another luck based game) during a particular year. And 3-4 gamblers(out of 1.6 billion) winning big 5-10 years in row is also possible. And, whatever they might think, the reason for their winnings was pure luck, and not their strategies, witchcraft, prayers or whatever. And the sooner they understand it, the more money they will save

I understand where you are coming from and leading to

Basically, you proceed, either consciously or intuitively, from the theory (law) of large numbers, and assume that given enough trials everything becomes possible (read, someone winning all the time). But it actually proves the exact opposite. To be more specific, it tells us that the casino will be winning long-term, even if it may lose some money in a single roll of dice or spin of a roulette. It is like two infinities with one winning over the other the longer you play

Given enough rolls and spins, anyone is going to lose due to the house edge unless there is a bug, and they slowly milk the casino without being noticed. So with every spin or roll the chances are in fact decreasing and not rising for him to win big constantly. The implication is that this effect totally offsets the possibility of an extreme outlier like "3-4 gamblers winning big 5-10 years in a row given enough gamblers" (read, it doesn't happen in real life)

[Ucy]

There is this saying or lyrics in a song saying that you should be afraid of not trying than risking something, so basically, even if we lose any amount of money in gambling, the most important thing to look or to realize is the fact that we gave it a try. The result might be devastating for us that could cause depression or frustration, but we just need to look on silver linings in life to gives us hope after a mistake (is it?).

Probably you are misunderstanding that saying. You must try something it is already proven for your betterment in your life. It means you should not try what is already proven injurious to your health and wealth. You should afraid of doing those proven bad things and trying them is not just risking but it is like playing with snake even after knowing what will a snake do.

You may put your efforts in something to innovate something which is risking your efforts and it will be welcome by everyone and you should not bother about the final outcome; here that saying fits more appropriately. You are welcome to risk on something rather than being lazy but those try should not be on already proven bad things.

I guess the *bad thing* you are referring to is the addiction. Well, many first time lottery player for example, likely won't get addicted in their first games. So, one would wonder what could cause a lottery player to get addicted? Maybe sound, greed, cute images, colors,. etc? I think some "fun/pleasurable" things attached to the lottery definitely could cause someone to become a regular player despite not winning or improving.

[leea-1334]

Correct.

There is this saying or lyrics in a song saying that you should be afraid of not trying than risking something, so basically, even if we lose any amount of money in gambling, the most important thing to look or to realize is the fact that we gave it a try. The result might be devastating for us that could cause depression or frustration, but we just need to look on silver linings in life to gives us hope after a mistake (is it?).

I do see every life opportunity as a learning experience. Bad or good, and gambling, is definitely one I learnt a lot about myself from. I know that I do not really have good discipline,,, and I learnt also I can offer support to friends and that I truly have friends as we have helped each other through times of stress (gambling related).

[Mumbeeptind1963]

There are other types of games in relation to gambling. Rolling dice might not be the most entertaining one. Some types of gambling games that could entertain a gambler is betting on something, like in horse racing. The anticipation is what drives them to be thrilled. Other type of games include card games, some with few mechanics, but is still based on luck.

What I see that can also entertain a user is the interaction he gets on gambling. Chat rooms and such also adds to the entertainment and enjoyment they feel.

Yes you may have fun here as well, chat rooms are good , you will meet new people, new friends, that can share their strategies in the game as well it can be helpful , it can be helpful if you will gain that, having a mentor is good in the game.

I guess the *bad thing* you are referring to is the addiction. Well, many first time lottery player for example, likely won't get addicted in their first games. So, one would wonder what could cause a lottery player to get addicted? Maybe sound, greed, cute images, colors,. etc? I think some "fun/pleasurable" things attached to the lottery definitely could cause someone to become a regular player despite not winning or improving.

Addiction will only happen if and only if the gambler is very greedy, well it is given that sometimes we are being like that, and we cannot stop ourselves but we must! that is the root of the addiction, it can lead to that if you only be happy and have fun in gambling then being greedy will take out in the game.

[TitanGEL]

There are other types of games in relation to gambling. Rolling dice might not be the most entertaining one. Some types of gambling games that could entertain a gambler is betting on something, like in horse racing. The anticipation is what drives them to be thrilled. Other type of games include card games, some with few mechanics, but is still based on luck.

What I see that can also entertain a user is the interaction he gets on gambling. Chat rooms and such also adds to the entertainment and enjoyment they feel.

Yes you may have fun here as well, chat rooms are good , you will meet new people, new friends, that can share their strategies in the game as well it can be helpful , it can be helpful if you will gain that, having a mentor is good in the game.

I guess the *bad thing* you are referring to is the addiction. Well, many first time lottery player for example, likely won't get addicted in their first games. So, one would wonder what could cause a lottery player to get addicted? Maybe sound, greed, cute images, colors,. etc? I think some "fun/pleasurable" things attached to the lottery definitely could cause someone to become a regular player despite not winning or improving.

Addiction will only happen if and only if the gambler is very greedy, well it is given that sometimes we are being like that, and we cannot stop ourselves but we must! that is the root of the addiction, it can lead to that if you only be happy and have fun in gambling then being greedy will take out in the game.

There are gamblers who got addicted because they do not have good psychology where they cannot control their own greed. Lack of discipline is also the cause of greediness and addiction. Gamblers who stuck in addiction think that they can easily escape that kind of situation but they are wrong because it takes time, effort and confidence. I'm just a mere gambler who seeking enojoyment in playing different gambling games, I also have limitation in order to control myself.

[deisik]

However, this is how it may play out in the end (pun intended as well). I mean people lose big time and that teaches them a lesson, the hard way, that is. So they end up "personally grown" in a sense (not all but many). A few years ago I lost like 1.5 BTC in one losing streak at PD, and I guess that taught me something. The point is, if we can use such an experience in other areas of our lives (transfer it), it may be worth the buck (lost) after all

That's right. Our brain is designed in such a way that only our own mistakes help us to learn and develop. The main question is how each individual relates to their own mistakes

That's the real problem

And our brains are in fact designed in such a way that we are prone to repeat our own mistakes again and again. When it comes to making a decision, especially in stressful, complex and out of time situations, we are bound to rely on our feelings as a fallback and contingency option because we may not have time to make an informed decision based entirely on rational considerations

We just happen to feel right about something, and that gives way to all sorts of delusions, misconceptions and logical fallacies. All in all, people do not only fail to learn from the mistakes of others, they also fail to learn from their own mistakes as that requires a conscious and strenuous effort of rewiring one's brains and behavioral patterns -- a feat that very few of us are capable of

[aioc]

 What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

I don't think it's realistic to say that when you gamble you are in control of your fate, the fact is you are not unless you are a high caliber gambler, the dice or the card and the house edge is in control of the game and it's your choice which is based on guess and luck will get you the outcome, you are not really in control because you are hoping to win.

[AicecreaME]

All in all, people do not only fail to learn from the mistakes of others, they also fail to learn from their own mistakes

People fail to notice what their weaknesses because they are focusing on other's people business, that is why it leads to their own disadvantage, which is they failed to correct or to learn from their own mistakes. They are busy getting in people's life while they are ignoring the fact that they also needs help, they act tough behind of all the losses they are having everyday when they are playing gambling, but they are destroying themselves inside.

To simply put this thing up, humans are very fragile being, the feelings we have inside are the one which gets us into trouble, that is why self-management is very important to all of the individuals, especially when it comes to addiction.

[Debonaire217]

People fail to notice what their weaknesses because they are focusing on other's people business, that is why it leads to their own disadvantage, which is they failed to correct or to learn from their own mistakes. They are busy getting in people's life while they are ignoring the fact that they also needs help, they act tough behind of all the losses they are having everyday when they are playing gambling, but they are destroying themselves inside.

In the world of gambling, it seems that you're on your own, but the fact that you need to learn a lesson too should be considered. In this case, you might as well seek help from people who have experience that you could use, in order to bet and win with higher percentage.

In my experience, I also tend to ask others gambling life, how often they lose and how much they gain, with these, if I bet, I could apply all the lesson they've provided and the rest would be discovered by me.

[Naida_BR]

There are other types of games in relation to gambling. Rolling dice might not be the most entertaining one. Some types of gambling games that could entertain a gambler is betting on something, like in horse racing. The anticipation is what drives them to be thrilled. Other type of games include card games, some with few mechanics, but is still based on luck.

What I see that can also entertain a user is the interaction he gets on gambling. Chat rooms and such also adds to the entertainment and enjoyment they feel.

Indeed, Dice might not be the most entertaining game, however it can be the game that gives the most profits.
Apart from the profits, it is a game that it is understood easily by anyone.
That's why all casinos have this game and a lot of users are playing it.

[LogitechMouse]

All in all, people do not only fail to learn from the mistakes of others, they also fail to learn from their own mistakes

And people like them will just stop gambling if they learned from their mistakes but there will be some people who will become stupid for a moment and will try their luck again in gambling hoping that they will win on it.

I don't see that as a "fail" but I think its pure greediness. They don't want them to learn from it because they only have one goal and it is to win. They aren't learning from their mistakes because they want to win. They are getting eaten by greed. They will just stop and learn when they realize their fault or they don't have money to use to gamble.

[AicecreaME]

People fail to notice what their weaknesses because they are focusing on other's people business, that is why it leads to their own disadvantage, which is they failed to correct or to learn from their own mistakes. They are busy getting in people's life while they are ignoring the fact that they also needs help, they act tough behind of all the losses they are having everyday when they are playing gambling, but they are destroying themselves inside.

In the world of gambling, it seems that you're on your own, but the fact that you need to learn a lesson too should be considered. In this case, you might as well seek help from people who have experience that you could use, in order to bet and win with higher percentage.

Nope, I am totally good. What I'm talking about here is the people addicted in gambling, I know I've explained it well but I guess you misunderstood everything that I've said, you could re-read it though.

In my experience, I also tend to ask others gambling life, how often they lose and how much they gain, with these, if I bet, I could apply all the lesson they've provided and the rest would be discovered by me.

Good for you, because that is more better than shouldering all of the stress you have in gambling. But I think you couldn't use their advices at all potential because they are them and you are you, what is going to happen to you when you gamble is different from the people you asked what to do.

[Betwrong]

However, with hundreds of millions(1.6 billion, by some estimations) people gambling each year, there have to be deviations from the general rule, and it can be 50, or even 100 people, who win big from playing dice(or another luck based game) during a particular year. And 3-4 gamblers(out of 1.6 billion) winning big 5-10 years in row is also possible. And, whatever they might think, the reason for their winnings was pure luck, and not their strategies, witchcraft, prayers or whatever. And the sooner they understand it, the more money they will save

I understand where you are coming from and leading to

Basically, you proceed, either consciously or intuitively, from the theory (law) of large numbers, and assume that given enough trials everything becomes possible (read, someone winning all the time). But it actually proves the exact opposite. To be more specific, it tells us that the casino will be winning long-term, even if it may lose some money in a single roll of dice or spin of a roulette. It is like two infinities with one winning over the other the longer you play

Given enough rolls and spins, anyone is going to lose due to the house edge unless there is a bug, and they slowly milk the casino without being noticed. So with every spin or roll the chances are in fact decreasing and not rising for him to win big constantly. The implication is that this effect totally offsets the possibility of an extreme outlier like "3-4 gamblers winning big 5-10 years in a row given enough gamblers" (read, it doesn't happen in real life)

But why do you think so? Just because we don't know such people doesn't mean they don't exist. I mean, can you prove your point with applying some math? If it were even theoretically impossible, how would you explain people winning lotteries multiple times?

In fact, there are many recent stories of people who have been lucky enough to win the lottery multiple times — whether it’s a $1,000 prize or a $1 million jackpot.

Not all of those multiple winners understand that they were just extreme outliers. And they start writing books, and giving tips on how to win etc., like the guy from the link below, for example:

How to Win the Lottery - 7 Time Lottery Winner Reveals His Nine Tips

But I think that they are no smarter than any other gambler, and that the only thing that helped them to win was luck, and not their brain.

[deisik]

Given enough rolls and spins, anyone is going to lose due to the house edge unless there is a bug, and they slowly milk the casino without being noticed. So with every spin or roll the chances are in fact decreasing and not rising for him to win big constantly. The implication is that this effect totally offsets the possibility of an extreme outlier like "3-4 gamblers winning big 5-10 years in a row given enough gamblers" (read, it doesn't happen in real life)

But why do you think so? Just because we don't know such people doesn't mean they don't exist. I mean, can you prove your point with applying some math? If it were even theoretically impossible, how would you explain people winning lotteries multiple times?

Well, let's start with the fact that it is not "multiple times"

It should be a couple times, several times, many times, numerous times, or even countless times. "Multiple times" is a common colloquial usage nowadays but it doesn't make it more correct, as you seem to be looking to improve your English (the same is equally applicable to "multiple winners", while we are at it). Multiple refers to many instances of the same thing or parts of that thing, but it can't refer to different times or periods of time, no matter how many or few

Further, it is definitely not about many times or multiple times, not even speaking about countless times. I don't deny the fact that you can win big time a few times (pardon the pun) but it is not like you (or whoever) are constantly winning insane amounts of cash all the time. So yes, it is possible to win 7 times (though it is highly suspicious with lotteries), but do you really think it proves that you can beat the odds all the time?

[ethereumhunter]

There are gamblers who got addicted because they do not have good psychology where they cannot control their own greed. Lack of discipline is also the cause of greediness and addiction. Gamblers who stuck in addiction think that they can easily escape that kind of situation but they are wrong because it takes time, effort and confidence. I'm just a mere gambler who seeking enojoyment in playing different gambling games, I also have limitation in order to control myself.

I consider that having the discipline and controlling ourselves are the things that we need to have. Without these things, gambling can be addicting, and it is hard to escape from gambling if we don't have a strong mind. If we can prevent from addicting, that would be the benefit for you because you don't have to spend all the money on gambling. I also a gambler, but I know how to treat gambling, and I don't want to become addicted to gambling.

[Betwrong]

~
Further, it is definitely not about many times or multiple times, not even speaking about countless times. I don't deny the fact that you can win big time a few times (pardon the pun) but it is not like you (or whoever) are constantly winning insane amounts of cash all the time. So yes, it is possible to win 7 times (though it is highly suspicious with lotteries), but do you really think it proves that you can beat the odds all the time?

I think it proves that someone, can be beating the odds for a pretty long period of time, long enough to consider himself a pro in this business, and to be considered as such by others. And this applies not only to gambling. Why do you think those TV healers used to be so popular in the past, and are  popular even now in some regions? That is because, with millions of viewers, some people do feel better after watching the telecast, and some people even get well shortly afterwards, either because of the placebo effect, or because they would get well anyway by that time. Unlikely events can happen within a group of millions of people, but one should be an idiot to count on it.

[tbterryboy]

I consider that having the discipline and controlling ourselves are the things that we need to have. Without these things, gambling can be addicting, and it is hard to escape from gambling if we don't have a strong mind. If we can prevent from addicting, that would be the benefit for you because you don't have to spend all the money on gambling.

All the controls and discipline you have mentioned for a gambler to have will definitely help them to realize what is there in gambling like whether to continue or not. I mean if you have control on your gambling then you may not continue it when you are facing frequent losses. Gamblers must take time to analyze why they gamble. If they find it is good for their heath and funds then they continue. But, I doubt how many gamblers are doing self analysis once in a while.

I also a gambler, but I know how to treat gambling, and I don't want to become addicted to gambling.

How long you are a gambler. I ask this because no gambler may know themselves as an addicted or not. They do think themselves that they are not addicted to gambling but the way how they gamble and how often they gamble will show that they are actually addicted or not.

[deisik]

~
Further, it is definitely not about many times or multiple times, not even speaking about countless times. I don't deny the fact that you can win big time a few times (pardon the pun) but it is not like you (or whoever) are constantly winning insane amounts of cash all the time. So yes, it is possible to win 7 times (though it is highly suspicious with lotteries), but do you really think it proves that you can beat the odds all the time?

I think it proves that someone, can be beating the odds for a pretty long period of time, long enough to consider himself a pro in this business, and to be considered as such by others

Let's focus on what we know best, i.e. gambling

The point is, the longer you play, the more your losses will match the pattern defined by the house edge. You can win insane amounts a dozen times but only if the total count of your rolls is not much higher. If the number of your bets hits millions and keeps rising, there is less and less chance you are going to be that outlier you are talking about (unless you use martingale and earn dust)

The sad truth is that even if 10 billion people roll 10 billion times each, all of them will be losing because we are dealing here with one dynamic, i.e. the effect of the house edge, massively overriding another dynamic, i.e. a natural tendency of random events to have statistical outliers (what your point comes down to). In other words, you would need like 10 billion billion people rolling under 1 million times each to find that extremely lucky one

[coinfinger]

There are gamblers who got addicted because they do not have good psychology where they cannot control their own greed. Lack of discipline is also the cause of greediness and addiction. Gamblers who stuck in addiction think that they can easily escape that kind of situation but they are wrong because it takes time, effort and confidence. I'm just a mere gambler who seeking enojoyment in playing different gambling games, I also have limitation in order to control myself.

I consider that having the discipline and controlling ourselves are the things that we need to have. Without these things, gambling can be addicting, and it is hard to escape from gambling if we don't have a strong mind. If we can prevent from addicting, that would be the benefit for you because you don't have to spend all the money on gambling. I also a gambler, but I know how to treat gambling, and I don't want to become addicted to gambling.

But the question being asked here is what we all feel so fun about gambling that we are doing it again and again despite knowing that we are going to loose in the end. Like for example smoking or drinking gives you pleasure and you feel great when you do it, but with gambling what is that which keeps us keep doing it again and again? I would say that is the financial factor related to gambling because we all are here online for money, let's be honest and gambling seems like an easy option to earn money.

While talking of fun, sports betting can be really fun if you watch sports because you watch them and then you get a chance to cash your feeling which actually gives goosebumps first time you do it, just recall the moment when you did it first time .

[bearexin]

people like them will just stop gambling if they learned from their mistakes but there will be some people who will become stupid for a moment and will try their luck again in gambling hoping that they will win on it.

Look losing money does not mean you made a mistake and winning in gambling does not mean you are intelligent and very smart. It's just that you made some choices today that made you successful and some made you look worse, I mean betting under or over 50% on dice does not make you smart or idiot but learning that in long term the house holds the edge is what smart people do.

I don't see that as a "fail" but I think its pure greediness. They don't want them to learn from it because they only have one goal and it is to win. They aren't learning from their mistakes because they want to win. They are getting eaten by greed. They will just stop and learn when they realize their fault or they don't have money to use to gamble.

Call it greed or anything but it is hard to imagine that we loose money in gambling and don't feel like getting it back. I mean look at traders whom we regard so high they also make loss and recover it, yes going mad for your loss and rushing for profits is bad but otherwise it's human nature to get back what we lost be it gambling or in life.

[fullhdpixel]

There are other types of games in relation to gambling. Rolling dice might not be the most entertaining one. Some types of gambling games that could entertain a gambler is betting on something, like in horse racing. The anticipation is what drives them to be thrilled. Other type of games include card games, some with few mechanics, but is still based on luck.

What I see that can also entertain a user is the interaction he gets on gambling. Chat rooms and such also adds to the entertainment and enjoyment they feel.

Agree because most of the sports betting is fun pretty much for everyone because they can engage in the game and get their mind into it, while with dice gambling it's not so engaging but as I said, still pretty much fun.

I can assure you, rolling dice is not as boring as seems at least for me. Look for me money is everything and I am not Warren Buffet who doesn't have to think about money so every time I roll dice, I have a feeling like lets win and that is all the fun I am talking about. Hence as per my experience, there is something about money in gambling, after all.

[Diced90]

But the question being asked here is what we all feel so fun about gambling that we are doing it again and again despite knowing that we are going to loose in the end. Like for example smoking or drinking gives you pleasure and you feel great when you do it, but with gambling what is that which keeps us keep doing it again and again? I would say that is the financial factor related to gambling because we all are here online for money, let's be honest and gambling seems like an easy option to earn money.

While talking of fun, sports betting can be really fun if you watch sports because you watch them and then you get a chance to cash your feeling which actually gives goosebumps first time you do it, just recall the moment when you did it first time .

The thing is, you're not necessarily going to lose against the house, even in the long run.

The vast majority of games have a house edge of between 1 and 5%. Because of this, around 45% of people can be expected to beat the house, even in the long run.

Depending on whether you're able to cut you're losses while you're ahead, or not. That's a pretty good odds for many people.

Issues only arise when people get greedy. And boy, are we all greedy mofos!

[deisik]

What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

I don't think it's realistic to say that when you gamble you are in control of your fate, the fact is you are not unless you are a high caliber gambler, the dice or the card and the house edge is in control of the game and it's your choice which is based on guess and luck will get you the outcome, you are not really in control because you are hoping to win

That's not what I mean

Feeling in control and being in control are different things, and I made that distinction clear in my post. Most of us are fully aware that we are far from being in control of virtually anything in real life, let alone pure chance. It just happens that gambling gives us what we would feel if we really were. When we win, we feel like winners and conquerors, right?. For fuck's sake, we are the winners over the fate with luck by our side at those moments even if they are as fleeting as April sunshine

[XCANA]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

I love dice games and have been playing them from inception. What I personally observe from playing dice is: they aren't professional in nature as it depends on luck Basically. Also, the rate at which the game fall apart from the gamer choice to  win. This has been more reason why I like poker games than dice games. Although, with all the games win or lose is the end result.

[deisik]

The vast majority of games have a house edge of between 1 and 5%. Because of this, around 45% of people can be expected to beat the house, even in the long run.

Depending on whether you're able to cut you're losses while you're ahead, or not. That's a pretty good odds for many people

In the long run people are set to lose

"In the long run" means making a huge amount of bets, and this is where the house edge starts to massively overwhelm luck and chance. It simply can't be any other way as otherwise casinos would be quickly ruined, which is apparently not the case in real life

Put differently, you can only win if you are lucky, while that means being short-term and running away as soon as you win big. If you don't win big shortly and continue gambling, losses will be adding up. So when you finally hit a lucky streak, it will be nowhere near enough to offset the total loss accumulated over time

[ethereumhunter]

I consider that having the discipline and controlling ourselves are the things that we need to have. Without these things, gambling can be addicting, and it is hard to escape from gambling if we don't have a strong mind. If we can prevent from addicting, that would be the benefit for you because you don't have to spend all the money on gambling. I also a gambler, but I know how to treat gambling, and I don't want to become addicted to gambling.

But the question being asked here is what we all feel so fun about gambling that we are doing it again and again despite knowing that we are going to loose in the end. Like for example smoking or drinking gives you pleasure and you feel great when you do it, but with gambling what is that which keeps us keep doing it again and again? I would say that is the financial factor related to gambling because we all are here online for money, let's be honest and gambling seems like an easy option to earn money.

While talking of fun, sports betting can be really fun if you watch sports because you watch them and then you get a chance to cash your feeling which actually gives goosebumps first time you do it, just recall the moment when you did it first time .

I guess that not all of us can feel so fun about gambling because we use gambling for any reason, and many of us use gambling to make money. Maybe some of us can feel so fun, but for the other people, gambling can make them curious about winning the games.

Sports betting is also a gambling game, but that will depend on how they treat sports betting. If they use sports betting as a way to make money, then they can get two things from sports betting, which is fun and the chance to make money.

[Betwrong]

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The sad truth is that even if 10 billion people roll 10 billion times each, all of them will be losing because we are dealing here with one dynamic, i.e. the effect of the house edge, massively overriding another dynamic, i.e. a natural tendency of random events to have statistical outliers (what your point comes down to). In other words, you would need like 10 billion billion people rolling under 1 million times each to find that extremely lucky one

That's where our POVs differ, you think that we need "10 billion billion people", and I think 1.6 billion would be enough for that. But where did that huge number of yours come from? I mean, was it random? Why not quadrillion of quadrillions then?

Why do I think that 1.6 billion people is enough for something extremely improbable could happen to some of them is because there are people winning from gambling for years in a row. I think they are statistical outliers. But what do you think? That there are no such people, or what?

[deisik]

Why do I think that 1.6 billion people is enough for something extremely improbable could happen to some of them is because there are people winning from gambling for years in a row. I think they are statistical outliers. But what do you think? That there are no such people, or what?

There are statistical outliers as this is what random comes down too

However, with outliers you can't get where "that huge number of yours comes from" because they are outliers, i.e. something which you can't expect or calculate the probability of since otherwise they wouldn't be outliers. But in this case it is irrelevant because you take into account only one factor, i.e. the number of people but discard the other factor which is as important, and which is the number of rolls they make

If 2 billion people make 50 rolls each, it is not improbable that someone will see 50 greens in a row on a 2x multiplier. But if they make at least 100k rolls each the chances of even a few of them winning big and staying that way start to evaporate due to the house edge beating random en masse. In other words, your billion and a half people shouldn't make many bets if you want your theory proved correct. But that is definitely not what is meant by "the long run"

[TheGreatPython]

Dice might not be the most entertaining game, however it can be the game that gives the most profits.

Yes because dice have the lowest betting limits so more strategies can be applied and easier to make more rolls and test your strategy and along with that most dice games have low house edge when compared to sports betting or casinos while talking of casinos, I hate SLOTS!

Apart from the profits, it is a game that it is understood easily by anyone.

Well, it is true but for gambler I guess whatever they bet on they usually have good knowledge about it, I mean someone who loves soccer will not bet on cricket and vice-versa

[Betwrong]

Why do I think that 1.6 billion people is enough for something extremely improbable could happen to some of them is because there are people winning from gambling for years in a row. I think they are statistical outliers. But what do you think? That there are no such people, or what?

There are statistical outliers as this is what random comes down too

However, with outliers you can't get where "that huge number of yours comes from" because they are outliers, i.e. something which you can't expect or calculate the probability of since otherwise they wouldn't be outliers.

Then, imo, we shouldn't say that we need "10 billion billion people" for them(outliers) to happen, because it can take only a 1,000 people, right? They are outliers, after all, they can happen any time to anyone.

Although it's true to some extent, I don't think we can afford this way of thinking, if we want to survive in this world. I think we should try to evaluate the probability of everything, and that's what statistics is there for. At first we have no idea about what is more dangerous, terrorists or drunk drivers. And then we turn to statistics for guidance.



It appears that we are 47 times less likely to die from a terrorist attack than from a road injury. We take that into consideration, and then behave accordingly when on the road. Also, we don't poison our mind with fearing of dying from a terrorist attack when going to a rock band concert.

From another stats



we can see that there are enough people(and guns) in the US for two people being shot dead by toddlers within a year.

If we had similar stats for gambling, we could evaluate whether 1.6 billion gamblers around the world were enough for several of them to be winning, say, 20 years in a row. But without those data, we can rely only on bits and pieces from media reports, unfortunately.

[deisik]

Why do I think that 1.6 billion people is enough for something extremely improbable could happen to some of them is because there are people winning from gambling for years in a row. I think they are statistical outliers. But what do you think? That there are no such people, or what?

There are statistical outliers as this is what random comes down too

However, with outliers you can't get where "that huge number of yours comes from" because they are outliers, i.e. something which you can't expect or calculate the probability of since otherwise they wouldn't be outliers.

Then, imo, we shouldn't say that we need "10 billion billion people" for them(outliers) to happen, because it can take only a 1,000 people, right? They are outliers, after all, they can happen any time to anyone

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that

All in all, you are still looking at only one side of the coin. But there is another side, and that is the house edge and its impact on randomness. Your stats are correct, and toddlers shooting down a couple people every year prove that extreme cases do happen. But why do they happen? In short, they happen because there is nothing that works against them in a prohibitive manner. These are random events at large, unleashed and unrestricted. But with gambling, the house edge in less than no time offsets the randomness of the game, and the longer you play the better it does its job (from the casino's point of view). In other words, it totally removes the factor of randomness from the equation after a certain number of bets (say, after 1 million bets)

So out of 1.6 billion people someone can be winning big, but only if that lucky guy doesn't play too often (read, luck can be on his side). But if all these masses of people were playing all the time, in terms of probabilities, it would be like a single gambler making all this incredible amount of bets. So how would he fare? I guess the house edge would quickly beat him into misery. And all these people too

[Best Dreams]

There are other types of games in relation to gambling. Rolling dice might not be the most entertaining one. Some types of gambling games that could entertain a gambler is betting on something, like in horse racing. The anticipation is what drives them to be thrilled. Other type of games include card games, some with few mechanics, but is still based on luck.

What I see that can also entertain a user is the interaction he gets on gambling. Chat rooms and such also adds to the entertainment and enjoyment they feel.

Yes you may have fun here as well, chat rooms are good , you will meet new people, new friends, that can share their strategies in the game as well it can be helpful , it can be helpful if you will gain that, having a mentor is good in the game.

I guess the *bad thing* you are referring to is the addiction. Well, many first time lottery player for example, likely won't get addicted in their first games. So, one would wonder what could cause a lottery player to get addicted? Maybe sound, greed, cute images, colors,. etc? I think some "fun/pleasurable" things attached to the lottery definitely could cause someone to become a regular player despite not winning or improving.

Addiction will only happen if and only if the gambler is very greedy, well it is given that sometimes we are being like that, and we cannot stop ourselves but we must! that is the root of the addiction, it can lead to that if you only be happy and have fun in gambling then being greedy will take out in the game.

I also do agree people get addicted when they make gambling as their whole time job so we should play gambling but in the limit. When you get the time and become boring then try to start gambling. After one-time tr one should take a break and stop for a while. In the very beginning, a gambler should have control over their emotions and never get addicted to gambling.

[MWesterweele]

I also do agree people get addicted when they make gambling as their whole time job so we should play gambling but in the limit. When you get the time and become boring then try to start gambling. After one-time tr one should take a break and stop for a while. In the very beginning, a gambler should have control over their emotions and never get addicted to gambling.

I agree being addicted in gambling is because of greedy,  we cant blame them but we can be a better than them by having a goal and time management when do gambling. In real life many people become addictive in anything because they want to satisfy their needs, also in gambling so if you limit yourself and do it for entertainment then no need to be worry.

In the long run people are set to lose

"In the long run" means making a huge amount of bets, and this is where the house edge starts to massively overwhelm luck and chance. It simply can't be any other way as otherwise casinos would be quickly ruined, which is apparently not the case in real life

Put differently, you can only win if you are lucky, while that means being short-term and running away as soon as you win big. If you don't win big shortly and continue gambling, losses will be adding up. So when you finally hit a lucky streak, it will be nowhere near enough to offset the total loss accumulated over time

Not only be lucky, I think the more impressive one is, when you have acknowledge the skills also as well as the luck, I do not believe in pure luck in gambling, I also believe in skills that can be use throughout the game.

[Betwrong]

~ Your stats are correct, and toddlers shooting down a couple people every year prove that extreme cases do happen. But why do they happen? In short, they happen because there is nothing that works against them in a prohibitive manner.

I beg to differ, because the age of a toddler(a child 12 to 36 months old, by definition) is something that definitely works against that happening. Toddlers usually don't walk around shooting people. Another counteracting factor is that people who own guns normally don't keep them within the reach of little children.

These are random events at large, unleashed and unrestricted. But with gambling, the house edge in less than no time offsets the randomness of the game, and the longer you play the better it does its job (from the casino's point of view). In other words, it totally removes the factor of randomness from the equation after a certain number of bets (say, after 1 million bets)

That's what I'm striving to find out, is it 1 million, 1 billion or 1 trillion bets. Even a rough estimate would be great.

So out of 1.6 billion people someone can be winning big, but only if that lucky guy doesn't play too often (read, luck can be on his side). But if all these masses of people were playing all the time, in terms of probabilities, it would be like a single gambler making all this incredible amount of bets. So how would he fare? I guess the house edge would quickly beat him into misery. And all these people too

In my opinion, this single gambler would lose 10% of his/her bankroll, max. Do you think otherwise?

[deisik]

~ Your stats are correct, and toddlers shooting down a couple people every year prove that extreme cases do happen. But why do they happen? In short, they happen because there is nothing that works against them in a prohibitive manner.

I beg to differ, because the age of a toddler(a child 12 to 36 months old, by definition) is something that definitely works against that happening. Toddlers usually don't walk around shooting people. Another counteracting factor is that people who own guns normally don't keep them within the reach of little children

It is a difference that makes the difference

And there is a difference between working against something in general and in a prohibitive manner. Indeed toddlers are not supposed to go all postal and shoot people around. However, the higher the population, and more specifically, the higher the number of parents with guns and toddlers, the higher are the chances of some particularly rogue and evil toddler finally pulling the trigger

The sad truth is, the counteracting factors which should work against this unhappy occurrence don't work against the law of large numbers itself. This is not the case with gambling where the tables are turned around as the higher the number of rolls, the less impact luck has. Really, if it were not so, all casinos would eventually be out of business with more people gambling, while in reality it is the polar opposite of that

These are random events at large, unleashed and unrestricted. But with gambling, the house edge in less than no time offsets the randomness of the game, and the longer you play the better it does its job (from the casino's point of view). In other words, it totally removes the factor of randomness from the equation after a certain number of bets (say, after 1 million bets)

That's what I'm striving to find out, is it 1 million, 1 billion or 1 trillion bets. Even a rough estimate would be great

In fact, I've been thinking about that

And I think I have found a way that could help you understand the matter better. You seem to be fond of PD and have some doges, right? So here's a simple test which you can run and see the overwhelming effect of the house edge in action. Start an autobet session with, say, 10k rolls on a 2x multiplier with a minimum bet amount, but without increasing or decreasing the bet size as you progress along

With 10k rolls you will be able to see how little luck matters and how powerful the house edge becomes in offsetting it completely after so many, or rather so few, rolls. The point is, with probably just as few as 1M bets that every human being on earth makes, luck becomes inconsequential and irrelevant altogether. There is no way there can be a few people still being in huge profit (or just in profit) after so many bets (provided they aim high all that time)

So out of 1.6 billion people someone can be winning big, but only if that lucky guy doesn't play too often (read, luck can be on his side). But if all these masses of people were playing all the time, in terms of probabilities, it would be like a single gambler making all this incredible amount of bets. So how would he fare? I guess the house edge would quickly beat him into misery. And all these people too

In my opinion, this single gambler would lose 10% of his/her bankroll, max. Do you think otherwise?

If they are going for big wins (i.e. not using martingale in the safest mode possible), with 1M bets they will lose all, and probably not just once

[Betwrong]

~ This is not the case with gambling where the tables are turned around as the higher the number of rolls, the less impact luck has. Really, if it were not so, all casinos would eventually be out of business with more people gambling, while in reality it is the polar opposite of that

But don't you think that in reality what casinos want to take from gamblers is just a small part of the money they gamble with, not all those money? We can even evaluate how big that part is since it is more or less equal to the house edge. It's 1% for PD, and it can be more than 10% for some land based casinos, but, I think, it's less than 10% on average. If people were only losing to casinos, no one would play there, and people would switch to other "games" where they could win something(or at least some of them could win something). That's why I think that casinos such as PD, with lower house edge, will always be popular, people don't want to lose all the time, they also want to enjoy winning.

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And I think I have found a way that could help you understand the matter better. You seem to be fond of PD and have some doges, right? So here's a simple test which you can run and see the overwhelming effect of the house edge in action. Start an autobet session with, say, 10k rolls on a 2x multiplier with a minimum bet amount, but without increasing or decreasing the bet size as you progress along

With 10k rolls you will be able to see how little luck matters and how powerful the house edge becomes in offsetting it completely after so many, or rather so few, rolls.

I did what you said. Below are the results:



As you can see, I was even in profit after 7k rolls



But in the end I was in loss, 46 sats. Overall I lost less than was expected. I expected to lose 1%(PD's HE) of the wagered amount, which would be equal to 100 sats. (Well, not sats, but the smallest units of Dogecoin, I don't know how are they called).

[deisik]

~ This is not the case with gambling where the tables are turned around as the higher the number of rolls, the less impact luck has. Really, if it were not so, all casinos would eventually be out of business with more people gambling, while in reality it is the polar opposite of that

But don't you think that in reality what casinos want to take from gamblers is just a small part of the money they gamble with, not all those money? We can even evaluate how big that part is since it is more or less equal to the house edge. It's 1% for PD, and it can be more than 10% for some land based casinos, but, I think, it's less than 10% on average

You seem to miss a very important factor here

Namely, that gambling is not trading, with the implication being that once you lose your balance, there is no way back. And this is what happens, sooner or later, especially when you are going for big wins. But once you are out of money, it is a gameover for you. Indeed, you can deposit more, and then even more, but it is just a matter of time till you lose again, and then again. And while it may look like 10% on average, this will only be the case when you bet small, i.e. with a tiny percentage of your account balance. But then you can't win big

But in the end I was in loss, 46 sats. Overall I lost less than was expected. I expected to lose 1%(PD's HE) of the wagered amount, which would be equal to 100 sats

I'm running some tests now and will report here when I'm done (it will take a while)

[Betwrong]

~ This is not the case with gambling where the tables are turned around as the higher the number of rolls, the less impact luck has. Really, if it were not so, all casinos would eventually be out of business with more people gambling, while in reality it is the polar opposite of that

But don't you think that in reality what casinos want to take from gamblers is just a small part of the money they gamble with, not all those money? We can even evaluate how big that part is since it is more or less equal to the house edge. It's 1% for PD, and it can be more than 10% for some land based casinos, but, I think, it's less than 10% on average

You seem to miss a very important factor here

Namely, that gambling is not trading, with the implication being that once you lose your balance, there is no way back. And this is what happens, sooner or later, especially when you are going for big wins. But once you are out of money, it is a gameover for you. Indeed, you can deposit more, and then even more, but it is just a matter of time till you lose again, and then again. And while it may look like 10% on average, this will only be the case when you bet small, i.e. with a tiny percentage of your account balance. But then you can't win big

I agree that this is what happens to most of the gamblers, and that the main reason for that is the house edge. But it doesn't happen to all of the gamblers around. Although I think that many of successful gambling stories are fake, I believe some of them can be true. And it's not that surprising when several people, from 1.6 billion gamblers, have been winning consistently for years, while it's one in a hundred million chance of that happening.(sorry, I don't know what is the real chance of it)

But in the end I was in loss, 46 sats. Overall I lost less than was expected. I expected to lose 1%(PD's HE) of the wagered amount, which would be equal to 100 sats

I'm running some tests now and will report here when I'm done (it will take a while)

Sorry, I forgot to mention that, while making those 10k bets, I was losing more than 200 sats(let's call them "sats" for the convenience, ok?) at some point, somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 bets. (maybe it can be important to know for your tests. Can't wait for the results, btw).

[deisik]

Namely, that gambling is not trading, with the implication being that once you lose your balance, there is no way back. And this is what happens, sooner or later, especially when you are going for big wins. But once you are out of money, it is a gameover for you. Indeed, you can deposit more, and then even more, but it is just a matter of time till you lose again, and then again. And while it may look like 10% on average, this will only be the case when you bet small, i.e. with a tiny percentage of your account balance. But then you can't win big

I agree that this is what happens to most of the gamblers, and that the main reason for that is the house edge. But it doesn't happen to all of the gamblers around. Although I think that many of successful gambling stories are fake, I believe some of them can be true. And it's not that surprising when several people, from 1.6 billion gamblers, have been winning consistently for years, while it's one in hundred million chance of that happening

Okay, let me try a different approach

That is, how do you know that all 1.6 billion people reported are actually gambling in the way we assume them to be gambling, i.e. making millions and millions of bets? Let's just think that it requires betting nonstop 24/7 for a few years, if not decades, unless they use autobet, which is suicidal with higher stakes. Put differently, it is next to impossible for all these masses of people to be relentless and uncompromising gamblers like some of us are

Then, it becomes totally possible that a few or even a few dozen people out of 1.6 billion people can be winning big. But that's simply because they don't gamble 24/7, more like once or twice a week or even a month. Thereby they are not outlandishly lucky but simply lucky enough to make it, and then make it again a couple more times. So no house edge gets hurt in the process

Sorry, I forgot to mention that, while making those 10k bets, I was losing more than 200 sats(let's call them "sats" for the convenience, ok?) at some point, somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 bets. (maybe it can be important to know for your for your tests. Can't wait for the results, btw)

So far I can tell that 10k is nowhere near enough for the house edge to indisputably beat luck (read, luck may prevail, after all). But you already know this

[Betwrong]

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Okay, let me try a different approach

That is, how do you know that all 1.6 billion people reported are actually gambling in the way we assume them to be gambling, i.e. making millions and millions of bets? Let's just think that it requires betting nonstop 24/7 for a few years, if not decades, unless they use autobet, which is suicidal with higher stakes. Put differently, it is next to impossible for all these masses of people to be relentless and uncompromising gamblers like some of us are

Then, it becomes totally possible that a few or even a few dozen people out of 1.6 billion people can be winning big. But that's simply because they don't gamble 24/7, more like once or twice a week or even a month. Thereby they are not outlandishly lucky but simply lucky enough to make it, and then make it again a couple more times.~

I'm not going to argue with this, because I'm pretty sure this is actually the case. Of course not  all of those 1.6 billion gamblers make millions and millions of bets. I think I start to understand why we don't agree with each other on this topic. When saying "in the long run" I mean a long period of time, like 10-15 years or more, while you imply "plenty of bets". If a gambler were in profit from betting once per month for 20 years in a row, I would set him as an example for proving my point, and you would retort: "He has made just 240 bets, it's nothing. If he'd made millions of bets, he'd definitely lose", right?

Indeed it's possible that most of the long time successful gamblers don't bet that much.

(That is not to say that I'm not interested in the results of your research/tests regarding the number of bets required for luck to be beaten by the house edge, indisputably).

[deisik]

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Okay, let me try a different approach

That is, how do you know that all 1.6 billion people reported are actually gambling in the way we assume them to be gambling, i.e. making millions and millions of bets? Let's just think that it requires betting nonstop 24/7 for a few years, if not decades, unless they use autobet, which is suicidal with higher stakes. Put differently, it is next to impossible for all these masses of people to be relentless and uncompromising gamblers like some of us are

Then, it becomes totally possible that a few or even a few dozen people out of 1.6 billion people can be winning big. But that's simply because they don't gamble 24/7, more like once or twice a week or even a month. Thereby they are not outlandishly lucky but simply lucky enough to make it, and then make it again a couple more times.~

I'm not going to argue with this, because I'm pretty sure this is actually the case. Of course not  all of those 1.6 billion gamblers make millions and millions of bets. I think I start to understand why we don't agree with each other on this topic. When saying "in the long run" I mean a long period of time, like 10-15 years or more, while you imply "plenty of bets". If a gambler were in profit from betting once per month for 20 years in a row, I would set him as an example for proving my point, and you would retort: "He has made just 240 bets, it's nothing. If he'd made millions of bets, he'd definitely lose", right?

That's the whole point

I think that in the case of gambling "in the long run" should actually refer to how many bets you make, not the nominal time span between your first and last rolls. After all, running has much more in common with rolling than sitting idly, right? As far as gambling is concerned, if you are running, you are rolling, as simple as it gets. But I'm still curious if you seriously consider someone rolling once or twice a year for 20 years as being deep in the game or a "long time gambler", successful or otherwise

That is not to say that I'm not interested in the results of your research/tests regarding the number of bets required for luck to be beaten by the house edge, indisputably

When I'm finished, I will spin off a separate topic on this matter (read, longer tests require longer times to complete)

[Betwrong]

~But I'm still curious if you seriously consider someone rolling once or twice a year for 20 years as being deep in the game or a "long time gambler", successful or otherwise
~

First off, I was talking about someone rolling once per month(240 bets withing 20 years).

Secondly, since you are saying:

So far I can tell that 10k is nowhere near enough for the house edge to indisputably beat luck (read, luck may prevail, after all).

it means that someone could be making 40 bets per month during 20 years, and still it would be not enough for the house edge to indisputably beat luck, right? Can we call someone, who makes 40 bets per month during 20 years a "long time gambler"? I think we can.

[deisik]

~But I'm still curious if you seriously consider someone rolling once or twice a year for 20 years as being deep in the game or a "long time gambler", successful or otherwise
~

First off, I was talking about someone rolling once per month(240 bets withing 20 years)

It was a hyperbole

Secondly, since you are saying:

So far I can tell that 10k is nowhere near enough for the house edge to indisputably beat luck (read, luck may prevail, after all).

it means that someone could be making 40 bets per month during 20 years, and still it would be not enough for the house edge to indisputably beat luck, right? Can we call someone, who makes 40 bets per month during 20 years a "long time gambler"? I think we can

I wouldn't call him an active gambler anyway (for an online casino, at least)

But it doesn't really matter since 10k refers to 2x multiplier, the point being that you can't actually claim big wins with this multiplier unless you stake big time too. But in that case your wins won't be big compared to both the base amount and the total wagered amount, which kinda defeats the goal

Indeed, you can claim that we should compare the net result with the base bet, but then I can say that you should be winning all the time (in net total), otherwise you get busted somewhere within this sequence of 10k rolls, and probably not just once. Either way, 40 bets a month doesn't say a lot on its own (apart from luck still playing a role)

[Betwrong]

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Indeed, you can claim that we should compare the net result with the base bet, but then I can say that you should be winning all the time (in net total), otherwise you get busted somewhere within this sequence of 10k rolls, and probably not just once. Either way, 40 bets a month doesn't say a lot on its own (apart from luck still playing a role)

If you agree that in betting 20 years in a row, 40 bets a month, luck still playing a role, than, I think, you can also agree that there can be several gamblers, out of 1.6 billion, who are lucky enough to be in profit from their gambling during this, pretty long, period of time. And that's my point, not everyone loses to gambling in the long run.

Btw, it doesn't matter whether it's 2x or 10x multiplier. Having not much time, I just made only 2k bets, but I think you can get the idea.

[deisik]

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Indeed, you can claim that we should compare the net result with the base bet, but then I can say that you should be winning all the time (in net total), otherwise you get busted somewhere within this sequence of 10k rolls, and probably not just once. Either way, 40 bets a month doesn't say a lot on its own (apart from luck still playing a role)

If you agree that in betting 20 years in a row, 40 bets a month, luck still playing a role, than, I think, you can also agree that there can be several gamblers, out of 1.6 billion, who are lucky enough to be in profit from their gambling during this, pretty long, period of time. And that's my point, not everyone loses to gambling in the long run

I agree that there are lucky guys

And I agree that as long as luck plays a certain role in the outcomes (read, as long as you don't make millions of bets and go for high wins), you can be that lucky guy. Moreover, given the number of people allegedly gambling every year (it doesn't really matter since we can just assume that they are for our thought experiment), it is also possible that there might in fact be a few people who could arguably be considered extremely lucky (read, statistical outliers now having their say due to bet outcomes following the law of large numbers)

However, you omit another detail from your story. Basically, your story implicitly assumes that everyone out 1.6 billion people are betting exactly that way. But this is simply not known to us, and unlikely if you ask me. In other words, to make your narrative look plausible, you should have all 1.6 billion people bet the same way in the same long run. Otherwise, it all comes down to what we have already established, i.e. as long as luck is capable of prevailing over the house edge, you can be lucky enough to win big. But we already knew it long before this discussion

Btw, it doesn't matter whether it's 2x or 10x multiplier. Having not much time, I just made only 2k bets, but I think you can get the idea

In fact, it does matter a lot

With a 10x multiplier, you are set to struggle with extreme variance, with the implication being that you are going to lose your balance not so much due to the house edge, but specifically due to bad luck. Really, if there is good luck, there should also be bad luck, right? And just as good luck helps you increase your balance, the bad variety will help you lose it, with no house edge involved in the process at all. But once you lose your balance, there's no way back (read, it is a gameover for you)

[Best Dreams]

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Indeed, you can claim that we should compare the net result with the base bet, but then I can say that you should be winning all the time (in net total), otherwise you get busted somewhere within this sequence of 10k rolls, and probably not just once. Either way, 40 bets a month doesn't say a lot on its own (apart from luck still playing a role)

If you agree that in betting 20 years in a row, 40 bets a month, luck still playing a role, than, I think, you can also agree that there can be several gamblers, out of 1.6 billion, who are lucky enough to be in profit from their gambling during this, pretty long, period of time. And that's my point, not everyone loses to gambling in the long run

I agree that there are lucky guys

And I agree that as long as luck plays a certain role in the outcomes (read, as long as you don't make millions of bets and go for high wins), you can be that lucky guy. Moreover, given the number of people allegedly gambling every year (it doesn't really matter since we can just assume that they are for our thought experiment), it is also possible that there might in fact be a few people who could arguably be considered extremely lucky (read, statistical outliers now having their say due to bet outcomes following the law of large numbers)

However, you omit another detail from your story. Basically, your story implicitly assumes that everyone out 1.6 billion people are betting exactly that way. But this is simply not known to us, and unlikely if you ask me. In other words, to make your narrative look plausible, you should have all 1.6 billion people bet the same way in the same long run. Otherwise, it all comes down to what we have already established, i.e. as long as luck is capable of prevailing over the house edge, you can be lucky enough to win big. But we already knew it long before this discussion

Btw, it doesn't matter whether it's 2x or 10x multiplier. Having not much time, I just made only 2k bets, but I think you can get the idea

In fact, it does matter a lot

With a 10x multiplier, you are set to struggle with extreme variance, with the implication being that you are going to lose your balance not so much due to the house edge, but specifically due to bad luck. Really, if there is good luck, there should also be bad luck, right? And just as good luck helps you increase your balance, the bad variety will help you lose it, with no house edge involved in the process at all. But once you lose your balance, there's no way back (read, it is a gameover for you)

Yes, gambling is all about luck if you are lucky so you can get profit from it and if you are not lucky then it will surely make you lose. In gambling earning and loss is all about your efforts so if you are showing good efforts you will win for sure. So be lucky and work hard to learn all gambling skills for earning Ana you can bet on games that you are expert in.

[KrisAlex18]

After all of the reasons that I have read, I conclude that the main reason for the gamblers why they are gambling is because of the money, they really want gambling because of its ability to make you rich as quick as is, but the probability of being rich in gambling is so low especially those gambling that don't requires your skills and analysis when playing or those game that you may only win because of the luck. There are also some people who are playing gamble because of the reasons of entertainment and fun, they find so happiness when they enter the casino, but the truth is they became happy only when they are winning the game, it is no only because of happiness, winning has a factor to be happy in gambling because how could you feel happiness if you are losing your money, right?

In my own personal opinion, if a person is looking for a game, he should pick the games that he is good at while having fun that he is not only preferring on winning by chance that he should also prefer in making strategy like playing poker, baccarat, pusoy or also known as chinese poker. Playing a dice ia all about chances and prediction, so i think everybody can play it, but playing card games like poker, baccarat and pusoy not everybody can play it.

Indeed, the best thing that you should consider upon choosing the right game on gambling is, you should select the game that will make you happy even you may lose the game, but for me, if I am missing the game and the money I wouldn't be satisfied on that, but I know that there are still gamblers that do not care about winning, they care about happiness while playing the game.

[deisik]

After all of the reasons that I have read, I conclude that the main reason for the gamblers why they are gambling is because of the money

We already know that

But this topic is not about such people. It is about people who are specifically gambling for reasons other than purely financial or economic in general. It is about exploring the depths of human mind, so to speak, the motives that are driving people to gamble if money is not an issue for them, and they may even want to lose some as a sort of payment at that. In the most mundane of terms, people are looking for gambling because they want to feel alive again, and they mostly gamble in order to run away from boredom

[Betwrong]

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However, you omit another detail from your story. Basically, your story implicitly assumes that everyone out 1.6 billion people are betting exactly that way. But this is simply not known to us, and unlikely if you ask me.

I agree that this is very unlikely that all those people are betting identically, and I, actually, never implied that they are. Imo, if we were so strict about this, we wouldn't have any stats at all, because, in fact, all situations are different. Among 1.25 million people that die in road crashes each year, some appear anywhere close to the road once per month and others 20 times per day. Yet all of them considered "victims of road accidents", regardless of other circumstances.

Btw, it doesn't matter whether it's 2x or 10x multiplier. Having not much time, I just made only 2k bets, but I think you can get the idea

In fact, it does matter a lot

With a 10x multiplier, you are set to struggle with extreme variance, with the implication being that you are going to lose your balance not so much due to the house edge, but specifically due to bad luck. Really, if there is good luck, there should also be bad luck, right? And just as good luck helps you increase your balance, the bad variety will help you lose it, with no house edge involved in the process at all. But once you lose your balance, there's no way back (read, it is a gameover for you)

Okay, maybe try the following with your ongoing tests. Make 10k bets with 98% win chance and bet size of 0.0001 DOGE, and then make 10k bets, with the same bet size, with 1% win chance. You'll see that the outcome is pretty much the same.

[deisik]

With a 10x multiplier, you are set to struggle with extreme variance, with the implication being that you are going to lose your balance not so much due to the house edge, but specifically due to bad luck. Really, if there is good luck, there should also be bad luck, right? And just as good luck helps you increase your balance, the bad variety will help you lose it, with no house edge involved in the process at all. But once you lose your balance, there's no way back (read, it is a gameover for you)

Okay, maybe try the following with your ongoing tests. Make 10k bets with 98% win chance and bet size of 0.0001 DOGE, and then make 10k bets, with the same bet size, with 1% win chance. You'll see that the outcome is pretty much the same

I don't need to make 10k rolls

Because I have already made, let me see, right, 31M rolls by now. And I know it from my own experience that with higher payouts I'm going to see a burst in variance. I can even tell the exact figure. With a win chance less than 37%, the martingale strategy I employ becomes unstable. In other words, it is not the house edge that is going to dispatch you, but variance itself (otherwise known as bad luck)

Remember, we are talking about the house edge beating luck, but not about luck itself turning sour and going against you. However, this is what happens with higher payouts (multipliers). In our scenario (i.e. going for big wins and betting high), you will fall victim to bad luck even before the house edge kicks in and catches up with you and your plethora of rolls. But once you are done, you are done, end of story (very romantic, yeah)

[doctor877]

I see the fun-filled gamblers as those who have control over the game, no pressure , no anxiety , no fear. They simply take whatever outcomes they see. Most times these kinds of people are winners. When they take it as fun not for the money. But anytime there is a switch, the reverse can be the case.

[Betwrong]

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I don't need to make 10k rolls

Because I have already made, let me see, right, 31M rolls by now. And I know it from my own experience that with higher payouts I'm going to see a burst in variance. I can even tell the exact figure. With a win chance less than 37%, the martingale strategy I employ becomes unstable. In other words, it is not the house edge that is going to dispatch you, but variance itself (otherwise known as bad luck)

Remember, we are talking about the house edge beating luck, but not about luck itself turning sour and going against you. However, this is what happens with higher payouts (multipliers). In our scenario (i.e. going for big wins and betting high), you will fall victim to bad luck even before the house edge kicks in and catches up with you and your plethora of rolls. But once you are done, you are done, end of story (very romantic, yeah)

I wasn't talking about martingale. Look at the following results of the test I just conducted. I was autobetting with 10% win chance, no increase on loss.



^^ At first, after 200+ rolls, I was in a pretty good profit, 25% from the total wagered amount. Then I started losing, but ended up with profit again, after 1,200+ rolls:



So, my question is, how many rolls do I need to "fall victim to bad luck", betting with less than 37% win chance?

[deisik]

So, my question is, how many rolls do I need to "fall victim to bad luck", betting with less than 37% win chance?

You don't get it

You already lost in the first few bets as this is what your snapshots reveal. If you were betting for real and aiming high, you would have already lost your balance even before you managed to get into the green territory eventually. Bad luck is just that, you want to win big but instead, kind of unexpectedly, lose all right at the outset, game over

The setup you stick to allows you to last long enough to offset the destructive impact of bad luck, but this is not about the house edge at all. More technically, what you are trying to prove here is beyond the scope of the discussion, which is about house edge taking over luck after so many rolls, any luck for that matter, good or bad

[Betwrong]

So, my question is, how many rolls do I need to "fall victim to bad luck", betting with less than 37% win chance?

You don't get it

You already lost in the first few bets as this is what your snapshots reveal.

It's true this time, but I could also win two times within the first 5 rolls. I'm sure it happened to you more than once, that you were winning with 10% win chance from the very first try. (Once I won with 1% win chance from the first roll). But neither of that proves anything, imo. It's all down to luck: you can lose everything you have within an hour, and, on the other hand, you can be winning consistently for years in a row. I still don't see a mathematical proof of the impossibility of that.

The setup you stick to allows you to last long enough to offset the destructive impact of bad luck, but this is not about the house edge at all. More technically, what you are trying to prove here is beyond the scope of the discussion, which is about house edge taking over luck after so many rolls, any luck for that matter, good or bad

I think it is. If the house edge was not 1%, but 5% instead, I wouldn't have such (positive) results.

Btw, I think that if we are discussing how many rolls do we need for the luck to become irrelevant in comparison to the effect of the house edge, we have to settle which house edge we are talking about exactly. Do you agree with me on this?

[deisik]

You already lost in the first few bets as this is what your snapshots reveal.

It's true this time, but I could also win two times within the first 5 rolls

You would have to be extremely lucky for that, the opposite of bad luck in this case

It proves that with higher multipliers you are more susceptible to bouts of bad luck. More specifically, you are going to see more variance, but higher variance means more stopping power. It doesn't matter when you bet small because the more rolls you make the less relevant luck becomes, both bad and good. However, when you are betting big, the first ever losing streak will wipe out your balance

The setup you stick to allows you to last long enough to offset the destructive impact of bad luck, but this is not about the house edge at all. More technically, what you are trying to prove here is beyond the scope of the discussion, which is about house edge taking over luck after so many rolls, any luck for that matter, good or bad

I think it is. If the house edge was not 1%, but 5% instead, I wouldn't have such (positive) results

The higher the house edge the faster it will kick in (read, overcome the effect of luck). Just in case, I'm talking about the standard 1% house edge as in most dice casinos

[Saint-loup]

It's true this time, but I could also win two times within the first 5 rolls. I'm sure it happened to you more than once, that you were winning with 10% win chance from the very first try. (Once I won with 1% win chance from the first roll). But neither of that proves anything, imo. It's all down to luck: you can lose everything you have within an hour, and, on the other hand, you can be winning consistently for years in a row. I still don't see a mathematical proof of the impossibility of that.

Winning consistenly for years in a row is like winning at the lottery or finding a suitcase full of banknotes in the street, or even receiving an unwilling transaction on your btc wallet or your bank account, it's very unlikely to happen...
And you shouldn't forget that btc security is based on that : everyone can get the same private key or wallet seed as you, but because of the likelihood of that, it's very unlikely to happen during your lifetime, even if it's not impossible.

[deisik]

It's true this time, but I could also win two times within the first 5 rolls. I'm sure it happened to you more than once, that you were winning with 10% win chance from the very first try. (Once I won with 1% win chance from the first roll). But neither of that proves anything, imo. It's all down to luck: you can lose everything you have within an hour, and, on the other hand, you can be winning consistently for years in a row. I still don't see a mathematical proof of the impossibility of that.

Winning consistenly for years in a row is like winning at the lottery or finding a suitcase full of banknotes in the street, or even receiving an unwilling transaction on your btc wallet or your bank account, it's very unlikely to happen...
And you shouldn't forget that btc security is based on that : everyone can get the same private key or wallet seed as you, but because of the likelihood of that, it's very unlikely to happen during your lifetime, even if it's not impossible

We have already discussed that

What our fellow member and gambler has in his mind seems to be a little bit different. First, everyone has their own understanding of the term "consistently". To me, for example, consistently means more day after day (read, pretty regularly). But we have already established that rolling a few couple times a month can also be considered consistent (regular) gambling on a long enough time line (say, 20 years). And if there were many, many millions of such gamblers (actually more like billions), there could in fact be a few winners of that kind, i.e. consistent winners, due to the law of large numbers (read, purely statistically)

[Betwrong]

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It proves that with higher multipliers you are more susceptible to bouts of bad luck.

Idk, to me bad luck is when you bet with 95% win chance and lose. When I bet with 0.01% win chance(which I frequently do), I don't consider it bad luck when I lose, tbh. That's why I almost never bet with 50%+ win chance, I don't want to give that bad luck a chance.

~ Just in case, I'm talking about the standard 1% house edge as in most dice casinos

Thanks for the clarification! That's important. Hopefully, we'll come up with some useful ideas for all gamblers in this thread.

[deisik]

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It proves that with higher multipliers you are more susceptible to bouts of bad luck.

Idk, to me bad luck is when you bet with 95% win chance and lose. When I bet with 0.01% win chance(which I frequently do), I don't consider it bad luck when I lose, tbh. That's why I almost never bet with 50%+ win chance, I don't want to give that bad luck a chance

Opinions obviously vary

As I got it, you consider the whole process statically, i.e. you weigh your chances for the next roll only. In other words, if you expect to lose but win (like with a very high multiplier, meaning a low win chance), it is good luck to you. Conversely, if you expect to win but lose (with a very low multiplier,  meaning a high win chance), it is bad luck. But what you expect to get is what you are expected to get anyway, luck aside (pardon the seeming tautology)

I, on the other hand, think of the whole process more in terms of losing streaks rather than single rolls. In this way, if I see a longer losing streak than I would expect on any given multiplier, it is bad luck to me (and vice versa). But with higher multipliers (lower chances) you are going to see greater variance, and that means both shorter and longer losing streaks (bad luck on the loose) than what you would otherwise expect

[STT]

50/50 isnt bad luck, its fair game as it can go either way.

they are gambling is because of the money

Money isnt the main reason for anything is a better argument because people are motivated unequally.   I think money is a good representative and proxy for a number of other things wanted and because money can be used on anything it amplifies the attraction to winning by representing all hopes in one.   So its hard to resist that but still I think we have underlying reasons for gambling and sometimes the win reward is from the lucky factors and defying odds, this can be greater then the money which does have to be spent to actually do anything.

[deisik]

50/50 isnt bad luck, its fair game as it can go either way

It is never 50/50 (or 49.5/50.5 given the typical house edge)

And it is never so (unless you make a few million rolls) specifically because of the randomness of the game. I mean games of chance like dice. You can make a few thousand rolls and still see the effect of luck. But luck is never fair unless you consider fair when luck is on your side. But then you will have to cope with bad luck, which should feel double unfair to you as no luck at all would be simply unfair from your perspective

[Betwrong]

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It proves that with higher multipliers you are more susceptible to bouts of bad luck.

Idk, to me bad luck is when you bet with 95% win chance and lose. When I bet with 0.01% win chance(which I frequently do), I don't consider it bad luck when I lose, tbh. That's why I almost never bet with 50%+ win chance, I don't want to give that bad luck a chance

Opinions obviously vary

As I got it, you consider the whole process statically, i.e. you weigh your chances for the next roll only. In other words, if you expect to lose but win (like with a very low multiplier), it is good luck to you. Conversely, if you expect to win but lose (with a very high multiplier), it is bad luck.~

Actually, it's the other way around. And although I feel like you knew what I meant, and you just accidentally miswrote it, I want to clarify it for others, who might read this thread.

When someone is betting with a low win chance(a high multiplier/payout), and loses, we can't call it bad luck, because losing was pretty much expected with like 1% win chance or lower. So, you shouldn't feel bad after losing such a bet.

Betting with a high win chance(a low multiplier/payout) is a different story entirely. When you bet $100 with 90% win chance, expecting to win $10("It's 90% win chance after all!"), and you lose your $100, that's a bad luck, and you have all the reasons to feel bad about the outcome.

That's why I prefer betting with very low win chance: if I win, I win big, and I'm glad about it; and when I lose, it's not a tragedy, and it's not a bad luck even, as I explained earlier. Bad luck has no chances of striking you if you are betting with high odds.

[deisik]

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It proves that with higher multipliers you are more susceptible to bouts of bad luck.

Idk, to me bad luck is when you bet with 95% win chance and lose. When I bet with 0.01% win chance(which I frequently do), I don't consider it bad luck when I lose, tbh. That's why I almost never bet with 50%+ win chance, I don't want to give that bad luck a chance

Opinions obviously vary

As I got it, you consider the whole process statically, i.e. you weigh your chances for the next roll only. In other words, if you expect to lose but win (like with a very low multiplier), it is good luck to you. Conversely, if you expect to win but lose (with a very high multiplier), it is bad luck.~

Actually, it's the other way around. And although I feel like you knew what I meant, and you just accidentally miswrote it, I want to clarify it for others, who might read this thread

My fault, thanks for the correction (edited my post)

I should have written "high multiplier" instead of "low multiplier", and vice versa. Indeed, your chances for a win are lower the higher the multiplier, therefore you are expecting to lose most of your bets, and when you win it feels like good luck to you. When you bet on a lower multiplier, your chances to win are higher, therefore you hope to win most of your bets. But when you fail, you start to blame luck and call it bad luck

[doctor877]

At times the feeling of togetherness with your friends and fellow gamblers is what matters to some people, while some just enjoy the feeling of being the best gambler even though there is no monetary gain but they feel at the top of the world. That's how it is. Gambling for money is a one way thing while gambling for fun can be diversified.

[Betwrong]

~Indeed, your chances for a win are lower the higher the multiplier, therefore you are expecting to lose most of your bets, and when you win it feels like good luck to you. When you bet on a lower multiplier, your chances to win are higher, therefore you hope to win most of your bets. But when you fail, you start to blame luck and call it bad luck

I well remember when I was only starting my gambling career(if I may use the word "career" being not a professional gambler), and was exploring various gambling strategies, I was always blaming my failures on bad luck, and when I was winning I thought it was because of my skill. The fun part is that it wasn't poker even, it was dice ffs!

[deisik]

~Indeed, your chances for a win are lower the higher the multiplier, therefore you are expecting to lose most of your bets, and when you win it feels like good luck to you. When you bet on a lower multiplier, your chances to win are higher, therefore you hope to win most of your bets. But when you fail, you start to blame luck and call it bad luck

I well remember when I was only starting my gambling career(if I may use the word "career" being not a professional gambler), and was exploring various gambling strategies, I was always blaming my failures on bad luck, and when I was winning I thought it was because of my skill. The fun part is that it wasn't poker even, it was dice ffs!

This seems to be a widespread and omnipresent mental bias

As a rule, we take our successes as something granted, something we have been born for. On the other hand, we are prone to strongly exaggerate our failures and setbacks feeling miserable, disappointed and resentful as if luck played a dirty trick on us. In short, we feel deceived

Because of this, the wins (in dice or anywhere else) don't have as strong an effect on us as our losses. So when we lose, it often feels like the end of the world for us. To put it another way, we are highly prone to overreaction, and still more so with respect to negative events, outcomes and developments

[Best Dreams]

~Indeed, your chances for a win are lower the higher the multiplier, therefore you are expecting to lose most of your bets, and when you win it feels like good luck to you. When you bet on a lower multiplier, your chances to win are higher, therefore you hope to win most of your bets. But when you fail, you start to blame luck and call it bad luck

I well remember when I was only starting my gambling career(if I may use the word "career" being not a professional gambler), and was exploring various gambling strategies, I was always blaming my failures on bad luck, and when I was winning I thought it was because of my skill. The fun part is that it wasn't poker even, it was dice ffs!

Gambling is a game that simply has no set rules of strategies and laws that govern the game. So everyone plays it in his or her own style and according to their intellectual levels and sharpness of mind. This is why people blame winning and losing on fate, skills, greed etc. most of the times.

[Eugenar]

The only good thing that you may acquire in the gambling is entertainment and fun, and money as well if you have luck on that day, but do you think you are the only winner on that day if you win the prize or the reward? Actually all gambling sites are the same, and the winner is only the owner of the websites, they are the one who win because of all the bet you put in the game, it is very impossible to win the gambling if it doesn't requires you to use skills and knowledge.

It is better to play gambling in those game that requires your skills and knowledge, like blackjack, etc. those are the games that have more chance to win than the game that only rely on your luck, or the game that you are only waiting for the outcome and you don't do any skills or apply knowledge.

The worst thing about it is you may become so addicted to it, in way that you don't care anymore to the things around you, you are only focused on the gambling, you became unproductive.

[Betwrong]

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As a rule, we take our successes as something granted, something we have been born for. On the other hand, we are prone to strongly exaggerate our failures and setbacks feeling miserable, disappointed and resentful as if luck played a dirty trick on us. In short, we feel deceived
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Since we tend to apply this approach to almost anything in life, I think gambling can be of some help in understanding very important things.

When we come to realize that we lose mainly not because of the bad luck, but rather because of the house edge and our bad money management, the things we didn't consider before, we can also comprehend that we fail exams and job interviews mainly because of our lack of knowledge and experience, and we can start improving ourselves instead of blaming all our failures on bad luck.

(Note: You can't improve anything in luck based games except the obvious commitment to not stake more than you can afford to lose).

[deisik]

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As a rule, we take our successes as something granted, something we have been born for. On the other hand, we are prone to strongly exaggerate our failures and setbacks feeling miserable, disappointed and resentful as if luck played a dirty trick on us. In short, we feel deceived

Since we tend to apply this approach to almost anything in life, I think gambling can be of some help in understanding very important thingse

It is the way nature made us

To survive, we had to be excessively cautious of anything that was potentially dangerous to us. That's why most things which we consider beneficial don't cause such an exaggerated emotional response compared to things that are likely to hurt us. In simple terms, we are wired to overreact in response to negative events and developments as this is essentially a result of natural selection. Better safe than sorry

Note: You can't improve anything in luck based games except the obvious commitment to not stake more than you can afford to lose

Things are more complicated than that, but you already know it

[Betwrong]

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It is the way nature made us

To survive, we had to be excessively cautious of anything that was potentially dangerous to us. That's why most things which we consider beneficial don't cause such an exaggerated emotional response compared to things that are likely to hurt us. In simple terms, we are wired to overreact in response to negative events and developments as this is essentially a result of natural selection. Better safe than sorry

Interesting. Can it be then that addicted gamblers are acting against the way nature made us? Because they don't care about possible negative developments, and, at the same time, they have exaggerated emotional response to potential wins. Not to real ones, which would be quite natural, but to those that haven't occurred yet(and may never occur before they lose their bankroll), wins they cherish only in their imagination.

[deisik]

Can it be then that addicted gamblers are acting against the way nature made us? Because they don't care about possible negative developments, and, at the same time, they have exaggerated emotional response to potential wins. Not to real ones, which would be quite natural, but to those that haven't occurred yet(and may never occur before they lose their bankroll), wins they cherish only in their imagination

In fact, I have already raised the very same question in the past

And more importantly, I even answered it, though I'm not sure if the answer will make you happy. The truth is, casinos turn the tables in their favor and make nature work against the gamblers. It is exactly their overreaction that saved their ancestors a few hundred thousand years ago in the depths of Africa which is now working against them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldXUIMzw9A

Especially the trigger-happy ones

[Kurokonobasuke]

I just play game for my personal entertainment because it helps me to removed all my problems in life by just keep winning in every game that I joined. I just keep playing because it war very enjoying when my ideal strategies gives me a win. If I didn't win in once game it boosts me to think another strategies that will surely win in the next game. Victory gives me happiness because I proved to myself on what can I do, so that my self-esteem are getting higher.

[Betwrong]

Can it be then that addicted gamblers are acting against the way nature made us? Because they don't care about possible negative developments, and, at the same time, they have exaggerated emotional response to potential wins. Not to real ones, which would be quite natural, but to those that haven't occurred yet(and may never occur before they lose their bankroll), wins they cherish only in their imagination

In fact, I have already raised the very same question in the past

And more importantly, I even answered it, though I'm not sure if the answer will make you happy. The truth is, casinos turn the tables in their favor and make nature work against the gamblers. It is exactly their overreaction that saved their ancestors a few hundred thousand years ago in the depths of Africa which is now working against them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gldXUIMzw9A

Especially the trigger-happy ones

Yeah, I think I will never agree to the notion that casinos are some evil monsters living from destroying people's lives. To me what they are doing is providing platform for entertainment and taking a fee for that.

Some people say that food stores arrange products in such a way so that customers would buy as much unnecessary stuff as possible, which leads to obesity in some cases. Same goes for the clothing shops playing music that makes you buy more. But to me they are just stores where I can buy food and clothes. I don't blame them for trying to make more money, and I'm grateful that they exist.

But that's me, I respect other people's views, of course. I just think I have the right to my own opinion on this matter.

[Ucy]

~
As a rule, we take our successes as something granted, something we have been born for. On the other hand, we are prone to strongly exaggerate our failures and setbacks feeling miserable, disappointed and resentful as if luck played a dirty trick on us. In short, we feel deceived
~

Since we tend to apply this approach to almost anything in life, I think gambling can be of some help in understanding very important things.

When we come to realize that we lose mainly not because of the bad luck, but rather because of the house edge and our bad money management, the things we didn't consider before, we can also comprehend that we fail exams and job interviews mainly because of our lack of knowledge and experience, and we can start improving ourselves instead of blaming all our failures on bad luck.

(Note: You can't improve anything in luck based games except the obvious commitment to not stake more than you can afford to lose).

Exactly.
Something as easy/simple as farming could be considered gambling without proper knowledge on farming.       I guess the proper word for what we call gambling here is betting/prediction market. Gambling in my opinion is simply taking big risk. Adequate knowledge and preparation reduce the risk. If you win consistently with low risk then you definitely not gambling. Occasionally betting with what you can afford to lose in luck-based games doesn't really qualify as big risk.

[Becky666]

I see the fun-filled gamblers as those who have control over the game, no pressure , no anxiety , no fear. They simply take whatever outcomes they see. Most times these kinds of people are winners. When they take it as fun not for the money. But anytime there is a switch, the reverse can be the case.

That's the truth fellas, personally, I get involved into gambling as processe of getting fun from the games and also getting been entertain while gambling. I have never take gamble as a means to earn money but as a process to have fun with friends and family around me. I do gamble with my siblings also and this has been one of my best time with love ones. So, the outcome of the game is fun with friends and families.

[deisik]

I see the fun-filled gamblers as those who have control over the game, no pressure , no anxiety , no fear. They simply take whatever outcomes they see. Most times these kinds of people are winners. When they take it as fun not for the money. But anytime there is a switch, the reverse can be the case.

That's the truth fellas, personally, I get involved into gambling as processe of getting fun from the games and also getting been entertain while gambling. I have never take gamble as a means to earn money but as a process to have fun with friends and family around me. I do gamble with my siblings also and this has been one of my best time with love ones. So, the outcome of the game is fun with friends and families

I don't think it is uncommon

What you refer to here is a way of communication and socializing spiced up by a certain element of risk inherent to any game (though not necessarily a game of chance like dice). For instance, Bill Gates is said to be playing poker with Warren Buffett, and they obviously stake something to make the game more interesting and exciting for them (probably, a million there and a million here)

In this manner, it is definitely about the process itself, as well as what you are exactly looking for in, and getting from, that process. However, things are different when you are playing online (read, alone), and the answer may be not that straightforward as to why you are gambling at all, provided you are playing for something other than money (or the scent of money, as it were)

[Betwrong]

~Gambling in my opinion is simply taking big risk. Adequate knowledge and preparation reduce the risk. If you win consistently with low risk then you definitely not gambling.

If by "low risk" you mean small bets, small enough so that all of them combined add up to an amount you can afford to lose, I agree with you. However, gamblers usually imply a different meaning to the phrase "betting with low risk", namely it means betting with "high winning probability" to them. And that's definitely gambling because expected payouts are low compared to the size of your bet, and the feeling that you can consistently win this way is an illusion.

Occasionally betting with what you can afford to lose in luck-based games doesn't really qualify as big risk.

Absolutely agree with you on this. In fact, I feel like you know everything I said above, so I wrote it rather in case others might read it, to avoid a possible confusion.

[MCobian]

Everyone has different goals when playing gambling, for me gambling is just fun. I play gambling to relieve stress, so when playing gambling
for me I don't have a target to have to win. The important thing is I can forget work routine for a moment. And dice games are my favorite
gambling games, because dice games don't require good skills for win. Quite a bit of luck we can win when playing dice.

[k@suy]

Everyone has different goals when playing gambling, for me gambling is just fun. I play gambling to relieve stress, so when playing gambling
for me I don't have a target to have to win. The important thing is I can forget work routine for a moment. And dice games are my favorite
gambling games, because dice games don't require good skills for win. Quite a bit of luck we can win when playing dice.

Me too, I am not really a pro player, I do gambling sometimes, I always watch some tricks or strategies when playing cards, because I don't fully understand the things that can make me win the game, but the thing is I play gambling because it helps me to develop my skills, it makes my brain works faster in making strategies, before I only played chess with a little bet but now I try playing in dice game it makes me enjoy everything.

[peter0425]

As for me, gambling carries big risks, but if everything is done correctly, you can win big money on a regular basis. Personally, I play poker and cheat. How? I am using poker analyzer system

is this a legit cheat?i mean it is not bannable?or i may risk my account using this ?

but anyway i am not a cheater ever since,i am fair player and want to play and win without cheating.

Poker analyzer is a high-end poker cheating device. Installed with a high-speed processor and endowed with perfect analytical capability, the phone analyzer system can report 100 percent correct result to poker player within 0.1 seconds. It plays an increasingly important role in the playing card games market due to its vast practicality and usage.
This thing helped me win a lot of tournaments and earn a lot of money!

Good luck to your gambling career,but please don't spread cheating in this forum,let us respect the gambling sites that we are playing with.

[deisik]

Good luck to your gambling career,but please don't spread cheating in this forum,let us respect the gambling sites that we are playing with

Don't take it too seriously

Cheating here refers more to claims about the reported capacity to predict the poker game outcomes with "100 percent correct result to poker player within 0.1 seconds. That's the kind of bullshit you would expect from someone with a dozen of posts and all of them advertising some shit

It reminds me of the good old days when you could pay a few shekels and download a certain app to your mobile phone that would (allegedly) show girls without their clothes. Remember that, huh? It is unlikely that any however remotely reasonable person would ever fall for this nonsense

[cabron]

Everyone has different goals when playing gambling, for me gambling is just fun. I play gambling to relieve stress, so when playing gambling
for me I don't have a target to have to win. The important thing is I can forget work routine for a moment. And dice games are my favorite
gambling games, because dice games don't require good skills for win. Quite a bit of luck we can win when playing dice.

This one falls for personal enjoyment and wants to control fate and luck in playing Dice and although its something that just exists in the mind, it still feels like it's real after all we literally hold spend the cash when cashing out.

There is nothing in the game but personal preference some would like to watch two risking athletes breaking each other ribs in the name of sports while as a gambler you watch them doing it but with financial motives still.

[James2Jones]

Everyone has different goals when playing gambling, for me gambling is just fun. I play gambling to relieve stress, so when playing gambling
for me I don't have a target to have to win. The important thing is I can forget work routine for a moment. And dice games are my favorite
gambling games, because dice games don't require good skills for win. Quite a bit of luck we can win when playing dice.

Mostly i agree with you, but in dice games with enough training i think you can learn to control them. The fun part is an interesting concept. I guess it depends. I also like dice games like craps, i'm trying to learn some dice control, but i guess you can't do that playing online. 

[Mauser]

Everyone has different goals when playing gambling, for me gambling is just fun. I play gambling to relieve stress, so when playing gambling
for me I don't have a target to have to win. The important thing is I can forget work routine for a moment. And dice games are my favorite
gambling games, because dice games don't require good skills for win. Quite a bit of luck we can win when playing dice.

I agree with you here, dice games are great to just relax and gamble a bit in the evening, you don't need to think so much your gameplay and strategy. It's quite important to manage expectations though. Gambling and dice on particular are not games to make you rich overnight. Sure you have the chances to make money, but if you play long enough it's very likely that you lose money. We can't be too emotionally invest into our game, because it would just make us very angry if we have a streak of bad beats.

[madnessteat]

Whoever says what, but gambling lures a person on a hormonal level. Any win, even the smallest, is accompanied by the release of dopamine, serotonin and endorphins into the bloodstream, which make us feel happy. Someone gets more pleasure from sex, someone from fast driving, someone from drugs, someone from parachute jumping, and someone throwing dice. The most important thing is to know the measure in hobbies and not to cross the border.

[CryptocurencyKing]

Gambling to most might aways seem like an easy money and it often and you actually feel this way or don't think more about it more based on the fact that, your stakes are often low with the expectation of a greater outcome in monetary form. I guess if the arithmetic is been done on the sum total of what it's been lost in gambling by an individual gambler, a lot of concern would result on the gamblers gambling habit. Every gambler needs one.
For a fact, all gamblers don't start gambling for the sake of fun or enjoyment as you've termed it. Are there users like that here? My best guess is no! It's all ways about the finance until it's not. Why is this? It's just a way of trying not to be too heartbroken when you lose. For you, it's just an at the moment kind of thing, no high hopes but then, gives you hope.

[pankowri]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

In short, I can say that gambling is one of the enjoyable elements for me which I used to do during my free time when I have no work to do. So I used it mostly to pass my free time to utilize it in a good manner.

Gambling can be considered as a part-time thing for me and it is not so serious for me as I will not make it so. If you have stored money which you want to utilize with enjoying then you are welcome here to do gambling as I play Dice many times and already I have got some profit for playing. It will be enjoyable too for you if you can make some profit from it.

[TedMosby]

-snip-

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling, or are there many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

ok, let me combine that people's statements.
gambling is a fun and fast way to earn money...... if you win it

my dad loves gambling, I love gambling too.
both of us only did it for fun. I can say that because we gambled with a small amount of money even when we have more free money to spend.

oh, sometime we gave the profit to the losers when we won the game, we split it pro rata 

life is a competition, we take it into gambling. we compete our luck with other players. people love to be number one, to be the highest, to be praised, etc.

[iamsheikhadil]

As I've matured more on this topic, initially I thought that people gambled only for money and only money was the main goal.

Now I've experienced something totally different. It's not the addiction to winning more money, rather, it's addiction to the game itself.

Gamblers, who are addicted and want an escape from reality would gamble because either their reality is really bad or they just want that "high" feeling from gambling. Trust me, there are gamblers who have unlimited money and are really rich, still they play just for the thrill! I was so wrong in it initially!

[glowing10]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

In short, I can say that gambling is one of the enjoyable elements for me which I used to do during my free time when I have no work to do. So I used it mostly to pass my free time to utilize it in a good manner.

Gambling can be considered as a part-time thing for me and it is not so serious for me as I will not make it so. If you have stored money which you want to utilize with enjoying then you are welcome here to do gambling as I play Dice many times and already I have got some profit for playing. It will be enjoyable too for you if you can make some profit from it.

It’s good to read that you enjoy the game of gambling and consider it for the entertainment and have a good fun time when doing it.  But then we have many who consider gambling is just about making money from it and becoming rich quickly. The problem arises from here when they start thinking only about wining from gambling which is not possible always.

[pankowri]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

In short, I can say that gambling is one of the enjoyable elements for me which I used to do during my free time when I have no work to do. So I used it mostly to pass my free time to utilize it in a good manner.

Gambling can be considered as a part-time thing for me and it is not so serious for me as I will not make it so. If you have stored money which you want to utilize with enjoying then you are welcome here to do gambling as I play Dice many times and already I have got some profit for playing. It will be enjoyable too for you if you can make some profit from it.

It’s good to read that you enjoy the game of gambling and consider it for the entertainment and have a good fun time when doing it.  But then we have many who consider gambling is just about making money from it and becoming rich quickly. The problem arises from here when they start thinking only about winning from gambling which is not possible always.

Yes, that is the fact that people want to win always which is not possible all the time in the gambling section. You must have to set your mindset first that if you lose one match, it doesn't mean you will lose every match. I think taking it as entertainment can help you to enjoy gambling very much. Otherwise, you may hurt or your funds can be lost for lack of knowledge.

[Reatim]

As I've matured more on this topic, initially I thought that people gambled only for money and only money was the main goal.

majority yes it is but of course some gamblers has their own reason why they gamble but of course money is always involved because you cannot play without capital and you can't win without money.

Now I've experienced something totally different. It's not the addiction to winning more money, rather, it's addiction to the game itself.

What does in mean to the game itself?meaning you enjoy more in that specific game that even if you lose too much is fine?

Gamblers, who are addicted and want an escape from reality would gamble because either their reality is really bad or they just want that "high" feeling from gambling. Trust me, there are gamblers who have unlimited money and are really rich, still they play just for the thrill! I was so wrong in it initially!

Sometimes it is the momentum of winning is addicted,when you are seeing the amount of collection you gain for a certain game but all of a sudden may lose if you don't stop.

[tsaroz]

Most of us were introduced to gambling as a kid in fairs. Be it the ring game, plinko or rotating circle (roulette) or the classic dice. Our parent and guardian gave us money to play each game. Wining was not the motivation there. As we grew up and started having pocket money, we might have done P2P bets with friends on sports, events and whether who was right about something. We might have played some poker on gatherings. There were some sense of profit but it's still was mostly fun. People starts gambling as an entertainment, a way to have fun in your spare time. But as they starts being adult and get addicted to it, they aspect the profit more than anything.

[finaleshot2016]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

In short, I can say that gambling is one of the enjoyable elements for me which I used to do during my free time when I have no work to do. So I used it mostly to pass my free time to utilize it in a good manner.

Gambling can be considered as a part-time thing for me and it is not so serious for me as I will not make it so. If you have stored money which you want to utilize with enjoying then you are welcome here to do gambling as I play Dice many times and already I have got some profit for playing. It will be enjoyable too for you if you can make some profit from it.

It’s good to read that you enjoy the game of gambling and consider it for the entertainment and have a good fun time when doing it.  But then we have many who consider gambling is just about making money from it and becoming rich quickly. The problem arises from here when they start thinking only about wining from gambling which is not possible always

Gambling became interesting when people became serious about defeating their opponent or the game, that's why they're being bankrupt and having a losing streak.

Instead of enjoying and having fun on gambling games, they're very greedy to win the huge pot. I can't blame some people if there's a huge pot on a game, people will not hesitate to bet until they got it.

Gambling is probably for entertainment only, professional gamblers that join the league, and earning daily should be the one to make it as full-time.

[pankowri]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

In short, I can say that gambling is one of the enjoyable elements for me which I used to do during my free time when I have no work to do. So I used it mostly to pass my free time to utilize it in a good manner.

Gambling can be considered as a part-time thing for me and it is not so serious for me as I will not make it so. If you have stored money which you want to utilize with enjoying then you are welcome here to do gambling as I play Dice many times and already I have got some profit for playing. It will be enjoyable too for you if you can make some profit from it.

It’s good to read that you enjoy the game of gambling and consider it for the entertainment and have a good fun time when doing it.  But then we have many who consider gambling is just about making money from it and becoming rich quickly. The problem arises from here when they start thinking only about winning from gambling which is not possible always

Gambling became interesting when people became serious about defeating their opponent or the game, that's why they're being bankrupt and having a losing streak.

Instead of enjoying and having fun on gambling games, they're very greedy to win the huge pot. I can't blame some people if there's a huge pot on a game, people will not hesitate to bet until they got it.

Gambling is probably for entertainment only, professional gamblers that join the league, and earning daily should be the one to make it as full-time.

Yes this is also my theory that gambling is for entertainment only. Though it depends on funds also. But if you have more funds, I will suggest you go for leagues. Otherwise, if you are not a gambler then use it for experience and entertainment. I mostly use it in my free time when I used it to get relaxation with the brain.

[michellee]

Yes this is also my theory that gambling is for entertainment only. Though it depends on funds also. But if you have more funds, I will suggest you go for leagues. Otherwise, if you are not a gambler then use it for experience and entertainment. I mostly use it in my free time when I used it to get relaxation with the brain.

If your theory about gambling is for entertainment, you should end your gambling time when you already got the entertain in gambling because if you don't stop, you can spend more money. That will happens too if you have more funds, and you will use that funds to playing gambling longer than usual. We should treat gambling as an entertaining way and get relaxation in our busy days, and maybe we need to have a limit of time that will remind us to stop playing gambling.

[Google+]

Yes this is also my theory that gambling is for entertainment only. Though it depends on funds also. But if you have more funds, I will suggest you go for leagues. Otherwise, if you are not a gambler then use it for experience and entertainment. I mostly use it in my free time when I used it to get relaxation with the brain.

If your theory about gambling is for entertainment, you should end your gambling time when you already got the entertain in gambling because if you don't stop, you can spend more money. That will happens too if you have more funds, and you will use that funds to playing gambling longer than usual. We should treat gambling as an entertaining way and get relaxation in our busy days, and maybe we need to have a limit of time that will remind us to stop playing gambling.

maybe people's opinions are different there are people who are rich and easy to get money so they will visit gambling places just to find happiness and try to research that what they do can produce more or not, because at the gambling place when they are lucky it would be great to hear the sound of the profit made at the gambling venue.

[michellee]

Yes this is also my theory that gambling is for entertainment only. Though it depends on funds also. But if you have more funds, I will suggest you go for leagues. Otherwise, if you are not a gambler then use it for experience and entertainment. I mostly use it in my free time when I used it to get relaxation with the brain.

If your theory about gambling is for entertainment, you should end your gambling time when you already got the entertain in gambling because if you don't stop, you can spend more money. That will happens too if you have more funds, and you will use that funds to playing gambling longer than usual. We should treat gambling as an entertaining way and get relaxation in our busy days, and maybe we need to have a limit of time that will remind us to stop playing gambling.

maybe people's opinions are different there are people who are rich and easy to get money so they will visit gambling places just to find happiness and try to research that what they do can produce more or not, because at the gambling place when they are lucky it would be great to hear the sound of the profit made at the gambling venue.

Not many of them can get lucky in gambling games. Some people who don't have much money can probably get lucky too in just one-hit because we maybe see that can really happen to one or two people. The sound of the profit will be interesting to hear, and that can make people still playing gambling. But all in all, we see many people expect to profit from gambling games, and they forget that gambling is not a place to make money or as a source of income.

[jademaxsuy]

Not many of them can get lucky in gambling games. Some people who don't have much money can probably get lucky too in just one-hit because we maybe see that can really happen to one or two people. The sound of the profit will be interesting to hear, and that can make people still playing gambling. But all in all, we see many people expect to profit from gambling games, and they forget that gambling is not a place to make money or as a source of income.

However the successful stories of those gamblers are making more sound than those who always lose.

Yet, success are really a great story to tell. It is not easy to get into that title being lucky and win especially great prizes or great winnings. Thus making it other gamblers to to try their luck and in return they tend to lose but somehow occassionally will be able to win and that motivate them to play more to get more chance in winning huge prizes.

Thi is one of the reason in getting addiction of gambling. however, there are only few people are getting addicted because all of us had common sene that we could not give in into that situation without considering our priorities in life

[Wexnident]

Is there even a need for a reason for making it as an "enjoyment"? It's like asking something, why do you do that, do you do this, do you want to be that kind of thing. We want it cause we want to, there's really no need to overcomplicate reasons or whatever. We enjoy gambling because we enjoy it, that's my take on to gambling I suppose.

However the successful stories of those gamblers are making more sound than those who always lose.

Yet, success are really a great story to tell. It is not easy to get into that title being lucky and win especially great prizes or great winnings. Thus making it other gamblers to to try their luck and in return they tend to lose but somehow occassionally will be able to win and that motivate them to play more to get more chance in winning huge prizes.

Thi is one of the reason in getting addiction of gambling. however, there are only few people are getting addicted because all of us had common sene that we could not give in into that situation without considering our priorities in life

Aren't they made into "stories" because they were successful? Let's be real here, who would even listen to a story of a man losing to gambling? That's like our everyday lives, no one wants to listen to that, sure if you add a bit of sob story elements some may read it, but that's it. But success? Now that's a story most would be willing to read, why? Because they want to be one, they want to be like the guy that was successful. Do remember that successful stories are just 1 in a million stories out there, but only that 1 is told because it's a unique instance, and not an instance that could regularly occur.

[pankowri]

Yes this is also my theory that gambling is for entertainment only. Though it depends on funds also. But if you have more funds, I will suggest you go for leagues. Otherwise, if you are not a gambler then use it for experience and entertainment. I mostly use it in my free time when I used it to get relaxation with the brain.

If your theory about gambling is for entertainment, you should end your gambling time when you already got the entertain in gambling because if you don't stop, you can spend more money. That will happens too if you have more funds, and you will use that funds to playing gambling longer than usual. We should treat gambling as an entertaining way and get relaxation in our busy days, and maybe we need to have a limit of time that will remind us to stop playing gambling.

maybe people's opinions are different there are people who are rich and easy to get money so they will visit gambling places just to find happiness and try to research that what they do can produce more or not, because at the gambling place when they are lucky it would be great to hear the sound of the profit made at the gambling venue.

Not many of them can get lucky in gambling games. Some people who don't have much money can probably get lucky too in just one-hit because we maybe see that can really happen to one or two people. The sound of the profit will be interesting to hear, and that can make people still playing gambling. But all in all, we see many people expect to profit from gambling games, and they forget that gambling is not a place to make money or as a source of income.

The last sentence is very true in this circumstances. This is not a place for only income source of money. But you can entertain yourself a lot by doing it. It can be enjoyable for you if you take it for entertainment purposes and an extra thing for your free time which I am doing for several weeks. Honestly, I am enjoying it and I believe that if anyone takes it for entertainment then it will be enjoyable for his or her. For stress, there has always a chance of losing their money. So entertainment can help you to reduce your stress.

[michellee]

However the successful stories of those gamblers are making more sound than those who always lose.

Yet, success are really a great story to tell. It is not easy to get into that title being lucky and win especially great prizes or great winnings. Thus making it other gamblers to to try their luck and in return they tend to lose but somehow occassionally will be able to win and that motivate them to play more to get more chance in winning huge prizes.

Thi is one of the reason in getting addiction of gambling. however, there are only few people are getting addicted because all of us had common sene that we could not give in into that situation without considering our priorities in life

If those gamblers don't realize that they don't have much chance to win as a successful gambler, they will not risk much money in gambling. Instead of using big money, they will understand that gambling will need the luck to win a lot of money. They will play gambling with limited money and never chase the win money because they know that they will be a sign for them to lose more money.

The story of successful gamblers inspires many gamblers, but many gamblers do not realize that winning is because of the luck that comes to the right person. And if there are gamblers who are still chasing the win money, sooner or later, they will become addicted to gambling, and it will be hard to stop playing gambling.

The last sentence is very true in this circumstances. This is not a place for only income source of money. But you can entertain yourself a lot by doing it. It can be enjoyable for you if you take it for entertainment purposes and an extra thing for your free time which I am doing for several weeks. Honestly, I am enjoying it and I believe that if anyone takes it for entertainment then it will be enjoyable for his or her. For stress, there has always a chance of losing their money. So entertainment can help you to reduce your stress.

I always explain to my friends who want to try playing gambling that gambling is not a source of income, so they do not even try to make money. Many of them enjoy playing gambling, and they know when to stop gambling after they played for some hours. But I can not force them to follow what I said to them because sometimes, they can be greedy to play gambling, especially if they can win some money. But so far, I see that they can hold themselves not to chase the win money, and they can feel that is enough to playing gambling.

[pankowri]

However the successful stories of those gamblers are making more sound than those who always lose.

Yet, success are really a great story to tell. It is not easy to get into that title being lucky and win especially great prizes or great winnings. Thus making it other gamblers to to try their luck and in return they tend to lose but somehow occassionally will be able to win and that motivate them to play more to get more chance in winning huge prizes.

Thi is one of the reason in getting addiction of gambling. however, there are only few people are getting addicted because all of us had common sene that we could not give in into that situation without considering our priorities in life

If those gamblers don't realize that they don't have much chance to win as a successful gambler, they will not risk much money in gambling. Instead of using big money, they will understand that gambling will need the luck to win a lot of money. They will play gambling with limited money and never chase the win money because they know that they will be a sign for them to lose more money.

The story of successful gamblers inspires many gamblers, but many gamblers do not realize that winning is because of the luck that comes to the right person. And if there are gamblers who are still chasing the win money, sooner or later, they will become addicted to gambling, and it will be hard to stop playing gambling.

The last sentence is very true in this circumstances. This is not a place for only income source of money. But you can entertain yourself a lot by doing it. It can be enjoyable for you if you take it for entertainment purposes and an extra thing for your free time which I am doing for several weeks. Honestly, I am enjoying it and I believe that if anyone takes it for entertainment then it will be enjoyable for his or her. For stress, there has always a chance of losing their money. So entertainment can help you to reduce your stress.

I always explain to my friends who want to try playing gambling that gambling is not a source of income, so they do not even try to make money. Many of them enjoy playing gambling, and they know when to stop gambling after they played for some hours. But I can not force them to follow what I said to them because sometimes, they can be greedy to play gambling, especially if they can win some money. But so far, I see that they can hold themselves not to chase the win money, and they can feel that is enough to playing gambling.

Yes, everyone should act like this. Gambling is for all but you need to take it as your demand. If you are greedy enough then try to avoid it asap. Because there has a huge chance of losing your funds. On the other hand, if you enjoy it with small amount then you can continue as like me. I am doing it with small funds and enjoy it as entertainment. Yep I have lost some money but I enjoyed this. After another match, I recovered also.

[Quidat]

Yes this is also my theory that gambling is for entertainment only. Though it depends on funds also. But if you have more funds, I will suggest you go for leagues. Otherwise, if you are not a gambler then use it for experience and entertainment. I mostly use it in my free time when I used it to get relaxation with the brain.

If your theory about gambling is for entertainment, you should end your gambling time when you already got the entertain in gambling because if you don't stop, you can spend more money. That will happens too if you have more funds, and you will use that funds to playing gambling longer than usual. We should treat gambling as an entertaining way and get relaxation in our busy days, and maybe we need to have a limit of time that will remind us to stop playing gambling.

maybe people's opinions are different there are people who are rich and easy to get money so they will visit gambling places just to find happiness and try to research that what they do can produce more or not, because at the gambling place when they are lucky it would be great to hear the sound of the profit made at the gambling venue.

Not many of them can get lucky in gambling games. Some people who don't have much money can probably get lucky too in just one-hit because we maybe see that can really happen to one or two people. The sound of the profit will be interesting to hear, and that can make people still playing gambling. But all in all, we see many people expect to profit from gambling games, and they forget that gambling is not a place to make money or as a source of income.

The last sentence is very true in this circumstances. This is not a place for only income source of money. But you can entertain yourself a lot by doing it. It can be enjoyable for you if you take it for entertainment purposes and an extra thing for your free time which I am doing for several weeks. Honestly, I am enjoying it and I believe that if anyone takes it for entertainment then it will be enjoyable for his or her. For stress, there has always a chance of losing their money. So entertainment can help you to reduce your stress.

How about losing money? For sure it would really add up some stress because even if you do say that it doesnt really matter but as a human where emotion is a bit fragile then
there would really be a time that you do get pissed off thats why self control is really important when your dealing with gambling.Its all for entertainment but people are
making it a little way too far off towards their perception towards gambling.Just set everything in control and youre just fine, taking up extra motives on making
money then that the time where problems do arise.

[Awraawra]

Some says they gamble for stress reliever and they want to have some fun. And some they do gamble because they want to win big and earn money. As of me i do gamble because i want to win and i want to earn money. Gamble is the most way to get money easily if you gonna win. So game in gamble is for fun and earn money.

[maydna]

Some says they gamble for stress reliever and they want to have some fun. And some they do gamble because they want to win big and earn money. As of me i do gamble because i want to win and i want to earn money. Gamble is the most way to get money easily if you gonna win. So game in gamble is for fun and earn money.

That is why people are playing gambling for the first time, but after they found the fun thing in playing gambling, they try to play other gambling games. Sooner or later, they become addicted to gambling, making it difficult to stop their new habit. If they don't ask for help from other people, they will not have a chance to stop gambling, and they will become heavily addicted to gambling.

But I don't think that gambling is the most way to get money easily because many people lose their money at the gambling table. So if they want to use gambling to make money, they need to think twice before they really decide.

[yazher]

Some says they gamble for stress reliever and they want to have some fun. And some they do gamble because they want to win big and earn money. As of me i do gamble because i want to win and i want to earn money. Gamble is the most way to get money easily if you gonna win. So game in gamble is for fun and earn money.

Trust me it was a stress reliever at first. but then, when you can't stop yourself from playing, that's another story to tell because it's not for entertainment anymore. If the only thing in your mind is to win and how can you play again after you lose some games, this is called addiction and it's hard to resist. some people took them so long to let go of it but most of them still playing without hesitation.

[leea-1334]

How about losing money? For sure it would really add up some stress because even if you do say that it doesnt really matter but as a human where emotion is a bit fragile ---cut.

Which really is the entire point of when people repeatedly advice,,, never put in more than what you can afford to lose. What people do not realize this really means is, put in money you are prepared to lose. In fact, expect that you will lose it.

Then the stress is not part of the equation:)

[Sadlife]

I play both for self entertainment and to earn money, of course i now that gambling isn't easy, and its not a "get rich quick scheme" like everyone else thought it to be. But still, there can be money to be made especially when you have methods or a great team to bet on to. Those people who say they only play for entertainment, isn't exactly true. They play because they think they can get easy money. If its only enjoyment they want, they can easily find those with other activities.

[bitzizzix]

I play both for self entertainment and to earn money, of course i now that gambling isn't easy, and its not a "get rich quick scheme" like everyone else thought it to be. But still, there can be money to be made especially when you have methods or a great team to bet on to. Those people who say they only play for entertainment, isn't exactly true. They play because they think they can get easy money. If its only enjoyment they want, they can easily find those with other activities.

The reason for playing gambling just for fun depends on the condition of the person, especially in the financial sector and for those who have a lot of money from a job or business that makes a lot of money and the reason they play gambling is just to fill their spare time as entertainment.
different from those who don't have a lot of money, of course they want to play gambling to get lots of money quickly.

[deisik]

How about losing money? For sure it would really add up some stress because even if you do say that it doesnt really matter but as a human where emotion is a bit fragile ---cut.

Which really is the entire point of when people repeatedly advice,,, never put in more than what you can afford to lose. What people do not realize this really means is, put in money you are prepared to lose. In fact, expect that you will lose it.

Then the stress is not part of the equation

It doesn't work that way

You can well kiss your money goodbye in your mind, but when it actually comes to that still feel a lot of pain and regrets, up to a point when you become obsessed and start chasing losses. Long story short, thinking something and feeling it with your skin in game are two entirely different things. Sometimes they match, but most often they do not

[feisar]

I came to the conclusion that all games are teased and manipulated. These do not let you win. If you win for a while, in the end you will always lose!
It is not possible to bet many coins, set 1 stone and it falls on you on the 1st ladder! The same happens in stairs game. When you bet a lot of coins it does not let you go up to the 3rd level

[Rodeo02]

I play both for self entertainment and to earn money, of course i now that gambling isn't easy, and its not a "get rich quick scheme" like everyone else thought it to be. But still, there can be money to be made especially when you have methods or a great team to bet on to. Those people who say they only play for entertainment, isn't exactly true. They play because they think they can get easy money. If its only enjoyment they want, they can easily find those with other activities.

Many gamblers think when they play they have a high chance odds to win in casino , those people look at gambling game as passive income or source of income they are often the ones who lose big .it's not an easy win scheme like what they are thinking if you cant control your emotion the bank will get all your winnings and the capital you use to play. If you are looking for a fair odds you should play betting games PVP game in that case chance to win is 50/50 unlike playing with casino.

[FlightyPouch]

Some says they gamble for stress reliever and they want to have some fun. And some they do gamble because they want to win big and earn money. As of me i do gamble because i want to win and i want to earn money. Gamble is the most way to get money easily if you gonna win. So game in gamble is for fun and earn money.

Hope you could control yourself in the longer run. We all know that the usual reason why most gamblers gamble is because of the money, the profit they can get but it doesn't end in that way most often. That is why they chase these losses that usually end up in more losses so I hope you could control yourself so you would not end up chasing losses and get more losses.

[Crptomagma]

The whole idea is based on these because my opinion is that the main objective of gambling is for entertainment whether the players have motives of financial breakthrough with the game or the players are playing for fun and to text their personal abilities to make things come through because using the game of dice for example it’s more of a game of luck than predictions. If I roll a dice and before it was rolled could you have predicted the number that will be on top? Does rolling dice have to do with odds? If yes so what are the odds?

Do I need a statistic to study or game analysis to observe before rolling the dice so as to have a comparative advantage when the dice is rolled. So it’s purely luck for me in the game of dice. So On these note I consider gambling as a form of entertainment that can still be used to enhance financial status not to be depended as the major means of income.

[bitterguy28]

Some says they gamble for stress reliever and they want to have some fun. And some they do gamble because they want to win big and earn money. As of me i do gamble because i want to win and i want to earn money. Gamble is the most way to get money easily if you gonna win. So game in gamble is for fun and earn money.

So now tell us,Have you earn from gambling?and is it Big enough compared to the amount you lose?

How could you say Gambling is easy Winning when the truth is you can't even become richer in your gambling habit.

Hope you will Find way to realize what are you missing in this statement .

[deisik]

Locking this topic for the time being