What's in the game, after all?

[imstillthebest]

it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

thats what they says . being addicted cause by dopamine in the brain  .

small wins dont gives me dopamine but big wins yes . these days i dont feel like gambling when i only have a small money or a small coins on my account .

easy money yes , this what i think of everytime i step on the gambling platform but the hard truth is that the more i think for easy money the harder i can earn because i end up betting huge and loosing pretty quickly .

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[abel1337]

it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

thats what they says . being addicted cause by dopamine in the brain  .

small wins dont gives me dopamine but big wins yes . these days i dont feel like gambling when i only have a small money or a small coins on my account .

easy money yes , this what i think of everytime i step on the gambling platform but the hard truth is that the more i think for easy money the harder i can earn because i end up betting huge and loosing pretty quickly .

There are different types of people who experience dopamine during a gambling session, There are many things to consider too. In my case, I feel nervous when I am losing money on the early rounds and keep thinking to regain it, The thing that makes me nervous is the feeling that I will bet hard enough to regain the loss I got and getting bankrupt in the end. I got some techniques or behavior I develop to avoid that and it greatly helps me.

[deisik]

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

Well, I agree that these people may not think about it this way exactly

However, this is how it may play out in the end (pun intended as well). I mean people lose big time and that teaches them a lesson, the hard way, that is. So they end up "personally grown" in a sense (not all but many). A few years ago I lost like 1.5 BTC in one losing streak at PD, and I guess that taught me something. The point is, if we can use such an experience in other areas of our lives (transfer it), it may be worth the buck (lost) after all

[naikturun]

To be explicit and begin with, by gambling I mean playing only the games of chance (think dice here), i.e. games where your skill doesn't matter, where the outcome is determined by luck alone

As the debates and discussions here clearly show, there are two major camps in respect to the question why people are gambling. The first camp claim that people gamble because they are looking for ways to earn money (something like the notorious "get rich fast" scheme). The other camp say there are as well people who gamble just for the fun of it (to be clear, they don't deny the monetary incentives of some, or most, of the players). Let's call such an attitude personal enjoyment as that seems to be the established term (you're welcome to come up with a different name for it)

To reassert, I'm not discarding the possibility that quite a few people may be looking into gambling as a source of easy money (whether it actually is, or can be, is another question), or that it can in fact be their primary incentive. But this topic is not about such people. In this topic I want to dissect and analyze the other group of gamblers (and their motivations), the one that is actually playing for its own sake, for personal enjoyment and entertainment. And here's the question (a few questions) to muse over while taking a break from rolling the dice

What is exactly meant and understood by this "personal enjoyment" generic category? Is it one feeling, or are there many? What do people actually feel when gambling with motives other than purely financial? What do they get out of it? My take is that they are feeling in control of their fate, even if only for very brief moments. Simply put, that they are not losers, and luck is on their side, at least sometimes. Indeed, we all know that this feeling is fleeting and false overall, but it is so nice and pleasant that we are ready to pay for it, up to a point where we get addicted to it

So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!

so my opinion people like this do not have a goal in life, like nothing you want to achieve and just stay in place, like throwing dice as you say there is no need for skill only luck and everyone can do it.
there is no difficulty or obstacle, only six sides are thrown together continuously.

[Betwrong]

~ It depends on what you mean by "in the long run". I know dice players who were 3-5 BTC in profit from playing this game for several years. And it's not from their words, but from the stats. Unfortunately, you can't see someone's total profit currently on PD, but I remember seeing that last year. You are more likely to lose in the long run, that's true, but it's not like it's set

And what is in these stats?

Are they playing dice with martingale? Then, "I told you so".

Yeah, I do remember that. But you were telling about winning only small amounts with that strategy, and that's why you suggested to bet with the smallest fraction of DOGE instead of BTC. One needs to have like 100 million BTC to employ that strategy successfully with it.

Otherwise, I can envisage only one way they can stay in profit after so many years of dicing. That is if they won jackpot and they continued to gamble for dust, or that they were gambling for dust first and then proceeded to win jackpot. You simply can't have it any other way

To summarize it in more abstract terms, they managed to make luck relevant in the time span of those several years. And then they were just lucky enough without even being extremely lucky to be in profit at this moment. Put differently, "in the long run" means long enough to make luck irrelevant while the house edge overwhelming

No, those guys(I'm talking about just 2 players, actually, whom I've never met offline, but had plenty of chatting with) didn't win because of a specific strategy. But you are right, both of them won big one day, and then were playing with dust later on. One of them, who won 5 BTC, told me that he withdrawn right away and sold all of it at around $600 per BTC. He was smart enough to not risk the won money, but not enough to hold BTC until the $20k peak.(but who of us was?) ...

Anyways, my point is that one shouldn't necessarily lose in the long run(even if we take your definition of "in the long run" here). If you are wise enough to know that big wins happen extremely rarely, you can cash out right after that happens, and then play with dust for 5 or 10 years afterwards, thus remaining in positive profit for a long time.

[deisik]

Are they playing dice with martingale? Then, "I told you so".

Yeah, I do remember that. But you were telling about winning only small amounts with that strategy, and that's why you suggested to bet with the smallest fraction of DOGE instead of BTC. One needs to have like 100 million BTC to employ that strategy successfully with it

That's true indeed. You can't beat the house with Bitcoin. You need a somewhat more powerful weapon, with greater killing power. And Dogecoin is that kryptonite (pun intended)

Anyways, my point is that one shouldn't necessarily lose in the long run(even if we take your definition of "in the long run" here). If you are wise enough to know that big wins happen extremely rarely, you can cash out right after that happens, and then play with dust for 5 or 10 years afterwards, thus remaining in positive profit for a long time

These dudes just got lucky

And then were smart enough not to try their luck again. However, you could just as well stay away from gambling altogether after hitting a jackpot, right? But would that count as winning big all that time? Apparently not, but this is not what you meant to convey, or at least not how it got over to me. I understood it like they were extremely lucky and had been winning huge amounts all the time. But it was only a one-off event

[RealMalatesta]

Definitely I would not have been into gambling, if I was not told about the possibility of winning big. After all frustration and humiliation, we do gamble only for the reason of wiping out all the problems with one big win, like winning a lambo in freebitco.in.

I believe when people are seeing how other people are making money from gambling (regardless of those are true or fake) , they just want to copy that. They keep on trying until achieving their dream target. This must be the reason why all casinos are very prompt about posting their results of all contests. They want to tempt at all possible ways.

Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

[maydna]

Enjoying the gambling game is what we should do because if we don't enjoy the game and only think about how to win the money, that will make us curious, and our tension will become high. Playing dice games is a way for you to enjoy and to have fun, but you don't have to spend more money because playing dice games will need the luck to win.  Most gamblers will spend their money until left, and they will always come back to the games and hope that they can win someday. If we can use gambling games as a way of killing time or spending our free time, then it will not be a problem, but of course, you will need to have control for yourself.

Probably better to assume that your gambling fund is lost already, If you don't want "your tension to get high".

I still don't think it's a good idea to enjoy taking risk with luck-based gambling. Those that are after the monetary rewards will likely stop once they notice their unprofitability after gambling for a long time,but the fun seeking gamblers could always rely on gambling once bored, unhappy, depressed etc. If the gambler's unhappiness becomes frequent, gambling will certainly be one of the things he/she rely  on to be happy

I think our tension will still get high even if we assume the fund is already lost because the passion for playing gambling games will still be there.

At least, if you can enjoy the game and use small money to place the bets, you will have the rest of the money. That will better if you can stop the game and leave the place, so you still have that money. But yes, stopping the game will be the best decision you can do if you cannot see the chance to win. When you still playing gambling for more, you will get another feeling, and I guess that the bad feeling will be bigger than the good feeling. So enjoy the game while you can, and stop the game while you can.

[sheenshane]

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Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

But it isn't the same feeling of having a thrill and maybe feeling intense while you are in gambling. You should spend a buck of money while watching movie and eating popcorn. The money will make you happy all the way, but spend only what you can afford.

However, Dopamine is a very wide type of stimuli. As a matter of fact, checking your social media's notification about yourself has the same effect as winning big in gambling. It really is addicting especially when you let yourself be carried out with your emotions. I believe that no conscious person will ever be addicted to gambling. As they know they are the ones who will choose their destiny. Luck isn't the thing. It's conscious and manifestation.

You have to control your luck, always. That is possible. Wanna know how? Work hard, stop trying to look for shortcuts.

[deisik]

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Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

But it isn't the same feeling of having a thrill and maybe feeling intense while you are in gambling. You should spend a buck of money while watching movie and eating popcorn

With gambling, the thrill lies in the opportunity, or more correct, in the possibility of winning your money back and above that. I think it's a crucial difference. In a cinema, you typically don't expect to get your money paid back to you

You have to control your luck, always. That is possible. Wanna know how? Work hard, stop trying to look for shortcuts

Honestly, I don't think it is a bright idea

The point is, you can't control your luck in a productive way. In practice, it would mean ignoring worthy opportunities which can be made available to you only through luck. This mode of reasoning and the behavioral patterns that follow from it ("stop trying to look for shortcuts") will make you ignore a shortcut when you are lucky to encounter one. Indeed, you should work hard, but when you see a real chance, don't wait and think twice before someone else takes it. In other words, don't underestimate the power of luck in life. It is real, important, and can be life-changing

[carlisle1]

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Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

You have to control your luck, always. That is possible. Wanna know how? Work hard, stop trying to look for shortcuts.

that is not possible mate,because luck only Knock once and also no one knows when this will come or will be on their way.

what you are saying about working hard and not looking for shortcuts ,this is perseverance and dedicating mate and not luck at all.

but that is best to be aware on what is going on mate and not just betting /playing.

[deisik]

what you are saying about working hard and not looking for shortcuts ,this is perseverance and dedicating mate and not luck at all

That's what he means

He is just cutting off the impact of luck from the life equation, if I can say so. If we follow this path, we will be inclined to reject the lucky moments we all have now and then. And losing such a lucky opportunity when it presents itself may cause, and most certainly does, great regrets that will follow us through our entire lives. Rationalizing a failure to grab an opportunity at the right time in the way described can indeed make suffering less severe but it also facilitates more such failures in the future

[XenoFever]

I think personal enjoyment is one feeling inside us that only we will know because other people will not know how that feeling and that feeling will be different between other people. I don't have any feeling in gambling except for enjoying the moment I played because I don't have motives for financial.

When I play dice games, I want to release my free time because I don't know what I want to do, so I decide to play the dice game, and when I remember what I should do, I will close the browser and do what I remember. Although that will be a short time for me to playing a dice game, I am okay with that because I don't search for making money.

There are so many gamblers in this virtual world, there are so many addicted to this kind of game, and for me, the reasons of addiction in gambling are the ability of having an easy money, and also the fun that this game gives to them,  but in fact, it is all not true because according to Timothy J. Legg a researcher, People who live with this kind of addiction may experience depression, migraine, distress, intestinal disorders, and other anxiety-related problems. As with other addictions, the consequences of gambling can lead to feelings of despair and helplessness, so meaning to say, aside from losing money in gambling, there is also harm in your psychological health. So you better stop gambling. The websites of the gambling game are the only one who wins this game.  

[MWesterweele]

Definitely I would not have been into gambling, if I was not told about the possibility of winning big. After all frustration and humiliation, we do gamble only for the reason of wiping out all the problems with one big win, like winning a lambo in freebitco.in.

I believe when people are seeing how other people are making money from gambling (regardless of those are true or fake) , they just want to copy that. They keep on trying until achieving their dream target. This must be the reason why all casinos are very prompt about posting their results of all contests. They want to tempt at all possible ways.

Gambling will be same like watching a movie or hearing a song if money is not involved.

In gambling we are also learning many experiences and it can help us in many ways, and throughout the game, it is not a game after all, it is also a source of our funds, it is also our source of fun , if we really understand what gambling it is not only the game that can give us money that we wanted, it can help ourselves and our minds as well.

[peter0425]

I think personal enjoyment is one feeling inside us that only we will know because other people will not know how that feeling and that feeling will be different between other people. I don't have any feeling in gambling except for enjoying the moment I played because I don't have motives for financial.

When I play dice games, I want to release my free time because I don't know what I want to do, so I decide to play the dice game, and when I remember what I should do, I will close the browser and do what I remember. Although that will be a short time for me to playing a dice game, I am okay with that because I don't search for making money.

There are so many gamblers in this virtual world, there are so many addicted to this kind of game, and for me, the reasons of addiction in gambling are the ability of having an easy money, and also the fun that this game gives to them,

that two are different thing mate Having fun in Gambling wont bring us to addiction i am sure about that because we can control our emotion with this but looking for easy money?that is addicting and that will bring us to failure.

 but in fact, it is all not true because according to Timothy J. Legg a researcher, People who live with this kind of addiction may experience depression, migraine, distress, intestinal disorders, and other anxiety-related problems. As with other addictions, the consequences of gambling can lead to feelings of despair and helplessness, so meaning to say, aside from losing money in gambling, there is also harm in your psychological health. So you better stop gambling. The websites of the gambling game are the only one who wins this game.  

yeah that research is right and accurate but it doesnt mean we need to stop gambling at all,because what is the intention of that research is to let people know that they need to control and manage gambling rightfully before they become loser at all.

[Lucasgabd]

it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

thats what they says . being addicted cause by dopamine in the brain  .

small wins dont gives me dopamine but big wins yes . these days i dont feel like gambling when i only have a small money or a small coins on my account .

easy money yes , this what i think of everytime i step on the gambling platform but the hard truth is that the more i think for easy money the harder i can earn because i end up betting huge and loosing pretty quickly .

this is quite amazing about human nature
people will experience dopamine differently.

some have more resistance, some less, so forth and so on.

for some people a small win will feel the same as a big win.

[Betwrong]

Anyways, my point is that one shouldn't necessarily lose in the long run(even if we take your definition of "in the long run" here). If you are wise enough to know that big wins happen extremely rarely, you can cash out right after that happens, and then play with dust for 5 or 10 years afterwards, thus remaining in positive profit for a long time

These dudes just got lucky

And then were smart enough not to try their luck again. However, you could just as well stay away from gambling altogether after hitting a jackpot, right? But would that count as winning big all that time? Apparently not, but this is not what you meant to convey, or at least not how it got over to me. I understood it like they were extremely lucky and had been winning huge amounts all the time. But it was only a one-off event

Sorry, I should have explained my point of view better then. I would never say that I knew gamblers who were winning huge amounts all the time, because it would encourage people to look for some "winning strategies", and they could become victims of some scammers in the end.

I think that in luck based games no strategy can help you to win big all the time. If you play big stakes(and you can't win big otherwise, btw) you are going to lose big, sooner or later. That's like a general rule. However, with hundreds of millions(1.6 billion, by some estimations) people gambling each year, there have to be deviations from the general rule, and it can be 50, or even 100 people, who win big from playing dice(or another luck based game) during a particular year. And 3-4 gamblers(out of 1.6 billion) winning big 5-10 years in row is also possible. And, whatever they might think, the reason for their winnings was pure luck, and not their strategies, witchcraft, prayers or whatever. And the sooner they understand it, the more money they will save.

[bitcoinst]

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

Well, I agree that these people may not think about it this way exactly

However, this is how it may play out in the end (pun intended as well). I mean people lose big time and that teaches them a lesson, the hard way, that is. So they end up "personally grown" in a sense (not all but many). A few years ago I lost like 1.5 BTC in one losing streak at PD, and I guess that taught me something. The point is, if we can use such an experience in other areas of our lives (transfer it), it may be worth the buck (lost) after all

That's right. Our brain is designed in such a way that only our own mistakes help us to learn and develop. The main question is how each individual relates to their own mistakes.
The best thing you can do is try to correct the mistake and learn a valuable lesson from it, because all our mistakes teach us something.
In fact, any situation in life teaches us something, and Gamblin is that area of activity in which any mistake can lead to a big loss, and the temptation to make a mistake in Gambling is full.

[Twentyonepaylots]

that is quite a nice topic, one of the best I've seen on this part of the forum

I bet (pun intended) it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

Aside from the fake impression of winning, game of chances are really booming because of the fact that they make it so that the gamblers feel like everyone has an equal chance at winning. They make the common joe want to feel like the scarface when he sits down the gambling table. Which is generally untrue, as some people, even the game master can be bought for their services and put the odds in favor of the one who can pay an acceptable price. That's why gambling is big, it's accessible to everyone, and it makes people think thst it is for everyone.

[doomistake]

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"

Well, I agree that these people may not think about it this way exactly

However, this is how it may play out in the end (pun intended as well). I mean people lose big time and that teaches them a lesson, the hard way, that is. So they end up "personally grown" in a sense (not all but many). A few years ago I lost like 1.5 BTC in one losing streak at PD, and I guess that taught me something. The point is, if we can use such an experience in other areas of our lives (transfer it), it may be worth the buck (lost) after all

Correct.

There is this saying or lyrics in a song saying that you should be afraid of not trying than risking something, so basically, even if we lose any amount of money in gambling, the most important thing to look or to realize is the fact that we gave it a try. The result might be devastating for us that could cause depression or frustration, but we just need to look on silver linings in life to gives us hope after a mistake (is it?).