What's in the game, after all?

[rodskee]

my expectation is not to be rich, but to try my luck entirely.

sounds familliar eh ?  i think i heard this phrase before where some users say that they gamble because they only want to test thier luck if they were lucky that time they play . this will give you an enjoyment and chills especially when you hit closer payouts that you ever wanted to hit but the good part is that you arent betting too much which is nice   . but to me , i also rolls a few times a day on higher payouts but this is my plan already  . i wanted to profit big so i keep on trying to do this

lol one of the most pretending word from someone who's hiding identity about gambling activities.

how can you say that you are not playing to get richer(of course richer from your current status that means any higher amount can be called as rich)but you only trying your luck?
for what reason?if you lose will you never gamble again since it wasnt your luck?ot you are just fooling your self because each time you played trying your luck again and again lol.

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[deisik]

It is so ironic where the joy that you tend to feel at the start of your journey in gambling will turn to a chaos in your life lately

It is not just about gambling

A lot of other addictions (since we are apparently talking about addiction here) start this way exactly. What distinguishes gambling from other addictions (and for the worse) is the amount of chaos it can wreak in so short a time. Even drug addiction takes time to develop and destroy one's life (sometimes years), but with gambling it can be literally a matter of minutes within which one's life is ruined. Put differently, it is a short cut between the joy and the grief

[AicecreaME]

It is so ironic where the joy that you tend to feel at the start of your journey in gambling will turn to a chaos in your life lately

It is not just about gambling

A lot of other addictions (since we are apparently talking about addiction here) start this way exactly. What distinguishes gambling from other addictions (and for the worse) is the amount of chaos it can wreak in so short a time. Even drug addiction takes time to develop and destroy one's life (sometimes years), but with gambling it can be literally a matter of minutes within which one's life is ruined. Put differently, it is a short cut between the joy and the grief

It could be also applied in general, any addictions will make a damage, internally or externally, even emotionally, the only difference is that we don't notice it yet at first, because it is only small like dust, until it gets in our eyes and it hurts. For example is like the addiction of alcohol in drugs, it might be a little off topic but hear me out at least. A person who just started drinking alcohol or use drugs won't feel it's effect as well as its harmful effect on our body, unless that person are doing it everyday, many times a day, and then when our body can't handle it anymore, that is when we started to feel something aches (in general).

Summary of that, we take precautions when it's too late, when we are dying, the reasons are too many to mention, either we are dying because of stress on how we are going to pay our debts, our bills, our health is at risk, so on and so forth.

[Betwrong]

Modern games I can watch on Twitch and its almost like a movie, some literally are chained cut scenes so the two sectors have merged to some extent

It's a little bit off-topic here but let me add my opinion

I certainly understand what you refer to. More specifically, you refer to games which are linear, and you have to follow a preset scenario as events are unfolding in the game. But there are also other games like already mentioned Far Cry, with huge open worlds where you are not required to follow a prearranged train of events at predefined moments, and can explore the environment as you see funnier

I remember as in the first Far Cry you could escape the limits imposed on you by the game's script after some effort, and then wander around the whole location freely and even hit your enemies from above, where you were not supposed to be (well, at least it felt that way). Indeed, you would still have to die instantly if you actually reached and then tried to cross the boundaries of the game world, but within those boundaries you didn't have to follow the script

Exactly that's why I find gambling so entertaining, you are not following any script at all, everything is unpredictable. When in video gaming it all comes down to figuring out the fastest way of finishing the game, there is no such thing in gambling, you, in fact, can't figure out anything, the outcome is truly unpredictable. If someone finds out how to finish a game successfully and uploads a playthrough on YouTube, anyone can watch it, then repeat all the acts, and finish the game successfully as well. But similar instructions for games like dice, slots etc. are all scams, and they never work. And if it were otherwise, games would stop bringing profits to gambling sites owners withing a week after their release, and the sites would die out, one by one, in no time.

[deisik]

I remember as in the first Far Cry you could escape the limits imposed on you by the game's script after some effort, and then wander around the whole location freely and even hit your enemies from above, where you were not supposed to be (well, at least it felt that way). Indeed, you would still have to die instantly if you actually reached and then tried to cross the boundaries of the game world, but within those boundaries you didn't have to follow the script

Exactly that's why I find gambling so entertaining, you are not following any script at all, everything is unpredictable. When in video gaming it all comes down to figuring out the fastest way of finishing the game, there is no such thing in gambling, you, in fact, can't figure out anything, the outcome is truly unpredictable. If someone finds out how to finish a game successfully and uploads a playthrough on YouTube, anyone can watch it, then repeat all the acts, and finish the game successfully as well

But isn't that the same with movies?

As before watching a certain movie, you can read its plot in the Wiki article. I don't know about you personally, but some movies (well, it is more about film series actually but still) I watched half a dozen times already and will likely watch them as much in the future (which would make it a whole dozen, I guess). Anyway, no one forces you to read or view these walkthroughs or use the cheat codes



And some games are so fascinating that you play them over and over again. Okay, I don't play them anymore, but I played in the past. Apart from that, there are games with hidden levels. I remember one such game, Blade of Darkness, where there was an entire game within the game which started after you finished the latter and collected some artifacts (called runes if I remember correctly)

[White Christmas]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

[ice098]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

I also play dice because it is fun to play and lots of thrill. Yes indeed this game will really test your luck because as what you have said, this game is not strategical meaning to say you can just play it for fun and money. If you are lucky enough to win the game, it means you are fortunate but if you frequently lose the game it means you are unfortunate.

[wozzek23]

I guess people could play on those kinds of games where useful & unique items can be designed or  won by players and sold to other players for money

Online games (like massively multiplayer online role-playing games) are exploiting this phenomenon to the hilt

Hopefully they create items that are really useful to players, so people don't get addicted to the wrong things.
Am particularly interested in farming or city construction kind of games. People could construct and sell materials to builders/farmers.    The best practicable farms (practicable in real world) or most sustainable practicable cities win hugh sums. This is probably a safe & useful way to spend time/money on gambling

These are actually among the imaginary games. You do not need your luck in such games, but you do need to work hard to build your space or farms onto the space on internet in order to cultivate profits over there. These kind of games are also much popular among the youngsters but they do not assume these games as gambling.

They play these games just to spend their time and to entertain themselves. They might also play these games in order to challenge their friends on the same game which would make them feel proud about their gaming skills.

But, does these kind of games really deserve space in the gambling industry? We do not really have that time to start farming or constructing building from our busy schedule.

[KnightElite]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

It is all about enjoyment, I also playing dice games in order for me to enjoy. Dice games doesn't need our skills, it is about pure luck. My winning rate in dice games is above average where I have 60% in terms of winning. Most of the gamblers are also prefer to play dice games because it id easy to underdtand due to basic mechanics. Dice games for me is all about enjoyment, there are times that I killing my time by playing that kind of game.

[maydna]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

It is all about enjoyment, I also playing dice games in order for me to enjoy. Dice games doesn't need our skills, it is about pure luck. My winning rate in dice games is above average where I have 60% in terms of winning. Most of the gamblers are also prefer to play dice games because it id easy to underdtand due to basic mechanics. Dice games for me is all about enjoyment, there are times that I killing my time by playing that kind of game.

Enjoying the gambling game is what we should do because if we don't enjoy the game and only think about how to win the money, that will make us curious, and our tension will become high. Playing dice games is a way for you to enjoy and to have fun, but you don't have to spend more money because playing dice games will need the luck to win.  Most gamblers will spend their money until left, and they will always come back to the games and hope that they can win someday. If we can use gambling games as a way of killing time or spending our free time, then it will not be a problem, but of course, you will need to have control for yourself.

[Betwrong]

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But isn't that the same with movies?

As before watching a certain movie, you can read its plot in the Wiki article. I don't know about you personally, but some movies (well, it is more about film series actually but still) I watched half a dozen times already and will likely watch them as much in the future (which would make it a whole dozen, I guess).

Same here, mate, same here! Some movies, such as Pulp Fiction, Fight Club, Inception,  The Matrix, Memento, The Big Lebowski and some others, I watched more than 10 times, and I'm going to watch them again in the future. Knowing the plot doesn't make a good movie uninteresting to watch(for me personally).

Anyway, no one forces you to read or view these walkthroughs or use the cheat codes

True, but my point was that no one, even in principle, could provide similar(valid) walkthroughs for gambling games such as dice, roulette, slots etc. And this fact makes the latter games more unpredictable, and thus more entertaining than video games. Well, for me at least.

[deisik]

Anyway, no one forces you to read or view these walkthroughs or use the cheat codes

True, but my point was that no one, even in principle, could provide similar(valid) walkthroughs for gambling games such as dice, roulette, slots etc

But why not really?

I have already provided a valid "walkthrough" for dice by using a tailored version of the martingale strategy. Indeed, it won't help you win insane profits, but something is still better than nothing. For fuck's sake, it fits in quite well with the definition of a walkthrough as a guide assisting players in some game

On the other hand (in case you disagree), it can be said that these games of chance (dice, roulette, slots, etc) are in fact quite predictable in the sense you are set to lose in the long run. Can it be considered a valid walkthrough? I doubt that, but it doesn't make them less predictable in this regard, right?

[amishmanish]

I have already provided a valid "walkthrough" for dice by using a tailored version of the martingale strategy. Indeed, it won't help you win insane profits, but something is still better than nothing. For fuck's sake, it fits in quite well with the definition of a walkthrough as a guide assisting players in some game

I am a new wanderer to these parts and "A walkthrough of the martingale strategy" is something I'd be interested in. It'll be great if you can share a link.

If this discussion is comparing PC/ Console gaming experience and the movie experience with the Gambling experience, isn't that a losing bet? Purely for entertainment, gaming is way better. Gambling games have a much lower outcome time though. Like, I could be stuck playing DoTA for over 40 minutes while I could lose/ win a lot of bets in that time. Though every kill in the game is also an outcome in itself yet the effort that goes in setting up a gank and rolling a dice is incomparable.
My opinion on the original question is that it is hard for me to understand the charm of purely luck based gambling. Betting on the other hand seems slightly more interesting because there you do have a certain set of information to use for deciding what you will bet on.

[ethereumhunter]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

I also play dice because it is fun to play and lots of thrill. Yes indeed this game will really test your luck because as what you have said, this game is not strategical meaning to say you can just play it for fun and money. If you are lucky enough to win the game, it means you are fortunate but if you frequently lose the game it means you are unfortunate.

Playing dice games can make us chase the win money even if that is for little money. Yes, that will make us use more money to play, and we want to get the next winning if we already win. Dice games will also attract you to go deeper into those games, and many people can become addicted to the games without they realize that dice games can be dangerous gambling games. Yes, our luck will not come many times in many rounds because no matter what strategy we use, we need to depend on the luck.

[Betwrong]

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On the other hand (in case you disagree), it can be said that these games of chance (dice, roulette, slots, etc) are in fact quite predictable in the sense you are set to lose in the long run. Can it be considered a valid walkthrough? I doubt that, but it doesn't make them less predictable in this regard, right?

It depends on what you mean by "in the long run". I know dice players who were 3-5 BTC in profit from playing this game for several years. And it's not from their words, but from the stats. Unfortunately, you can't see someone's total profit currently on PD, but I remember seeing that last year. You are more likely to lose in the long run, that's true, but it's not like it's set.

What is predictable in Dice is that you won't win with higher than 9900x payout. But even that is not completely accurate because you can win much more by hitting a jackpot. And with Mines, you can win with 5 million+ payout. Can you imagine that? With betting just 1 satoshi you can win almost $500! What kind of video game can provide you with such a thrill?

Well, I'm forgetting that people are different. So, it would be more right to say, no video game can provide me with such a thrill.

[deisik]

I have already provided a valid "walkthrough" for dice by using a tailored version of the martingale strategy. Indeed, it won't help you win insane profits, but something is still better than nothing. For fuck's sake, it fits in quite well with the definition of a walkthrough as a guide assisting players in some game

I am a new wanderer to these parts and "A walkthrough of the martingale strategy" is something I'd be interested in. It'll be great if you can share a link

Sorry, saw your question but forgot to answer it

If you are really interested in exploring this area, you should start here and read the whole topic. Well, you can skip some posts but reading mine is a must, especially the ones with stats (if you really want to get the hang of that thing). It is about martingale (as I mentioned) but run with a very specific setup aimed at exploiting variance

After you are done, you can also read our discussion on the matter with Betwrong in some other topic around here. I don't remember which exactly but maybe he will tell you where (anyway, you can always use the search button). At first he was a doubting Thomas of sorts but then I successfully converted him

[Ucy]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

It is all about enjoyment, I also playing dice games in order for me to enjoy. Dice games doesn't need our skills, it is about pure luck. My winning rate in dice games is above average where I have 60% in terms of winning. Most of the gamblers are also prefer to play dice games because it id easy to underdtand due to basic mechanics. Dice games for me is all about enjoyment, there are times that I killing my time by playing that kind of game.

Enjoying the gambling game is what we should do because if we don't enjoy the game and only think about how to win the money, that will make us curious, and our tension will become high. Playing dice games is a way for you to enjoy and to have fun, but you don't have to spend more money because playing dice games will need the luck to win.  Most gamblers will spend their money until left, and they will always come back to the games and hope that they can win someday. If we can use gambling games as a way of killing time or spending our free time, then it will not be a problem, but of course, you will need to have control for yourself.

Probably better to assume that your gambling fund is lost already, If you don't want "your tension to get high".

I still don't think it's a good idea to enjoy taking risk with luck-based gambling. Those that are after the monetary rewards will likely stop once they notice their unprofitability after gambling for a long time,but the fun seeking gamblers could always rely on gambling once bored, unhappy, depressed etc. If the gambler's unhappiness becomes frequent, gambling will certainly be one of the things he/she rely  on to be happy

[peter0425]

Actually I am playing some dice also in which skills are doesn't matter and the only one matter is there is your luck. Yes! Your luck because in dice it is just a matter of luck in which the number that you bet may show when the dice finished on rolling, in which it is not necessary that you need some skills just to win, unlike on poker or baccarat in which you really need some skills in order for you to read what the cards of the other enemies in order to set up a plan on how you guys will destroy them right?

but this is the easiest Gambling game ever created right?

you need no knowledge as long as you choose the Numbers to bet,not like other game that there are too many things we need to learn.

also most of the starter in gambling specially here in online use to play Dice first before diverting to other Gambling game offers by sites.

[deisik]

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On the other hand (in case you disagree), it can be said that these games of chance (dice, roulette, slots, etc) are in fact quite predictable in the sense you are set to lose in the long run. Can it be considered a valid walkthrough? I doubt that, but it doesn't make them less predictable in this regard, right?

It depends on what you mean by "in the long run". I know dice players who were 3-5 BTC in profit from playing this game for several years. And it's not from their words, but from the stats. Unfortunately, you can't see someone's total profit currently on PD, but I remember seeing that last year. You are more likely to lose in the long run, that's true, but it's not like it's set

And what is in these stats?

Are they playing dice with martingale? Then, "I told you so". Otherwise, I can envisage only one way they can stay in profit after so many years of dicing. That is if they won jackpot and they continued to gamble for dust, or that they were gambling for dust first and then proceeded to win jackpot. You simply can't have it any other way

To summarize it in more abstract terms, they managed to make luck relevant in the time span of those several years. And then they were just lucky enough without even being extremely lucky to be in profit at this moment. Put differently, "in the long run" means long enough to make luck irrelevant while the house edge overwhelming

you need no knowledge as long as you choose the Numbers to bet,not like other game that there are too many things we need to learn

Yes, it's the embodiment of simplicity without losing the intensity

[Lucasgabd]

that is quite a nice topic, one of the best I've seen on this part of the forum

I bet (pun intended) it's usually a combination of dopamine hits caused by small wins and excitement on the possibility of "easy money" that keeps people gambling.

of course there are deviations on this behavior but I don't see how people would approach gamble on a "personal growth" way.
more like a "test of luck" or "destiny's checking"