[CLOSED] BestChange Signature Campaign | Sr Member+

[Best_Change]

Guys, we reviewed your posts and decided to exclude you. Since our obligations are completely fulfiled and money are paid in full, we have no reason to continue the discussion. We bear the costs of the project and we have the right to decide who will participate in the campaign and who will not. We are sorry, but we have no time to explain our position to every participant again and again. Our opinion is already written above. We wish the best of luck in other campaigns to all excluded participants.


@hugeblack,

Perhaps in the future we will introduce some rules regarding merits. That’s actually a good idea, thank you! However, you need to be attentive with this strategy. Whether a person has or doesn’t have merits is not always a good indicator of posts quality.

As for the vacation question, at the moment, we do not see a special rule regarding vacations. You can drop us a PM starting your dates of absence from gadgets/the forum.

[FontSeli]

#Proof Of Authentication
Bitcointalk Name: FontSeli
Bitcointalk Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2221613
Current amount of Posts (Including this one): 2964
Amount of merits for the last 120 days: 20+
BTC Address: 3NiZHrey3MKGNGiaut6RY8qDk6BLPfo6ia

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

@Best_Change

Just a random thought, not sure how others would react on this? But, instead of having $90 pay rate per week and having 25 posts as minimum you can consider paying $3.5 per post for Hero/Legendary Members. You can implement a rule like there is no minimum post count and you would be paying a maximum of upto 25-30 posts per week. Well, we can be very much sure that greedy spammers would try to reach their 25/30 posts somehow to grab the highest pay but on the other hand, this would differentiate spammers and non-spammers.

Right now, many in the campaign are forced to reach 25 posts minimum eventhough they are somewhat decent posters while comparing spammers which would eventually make them spam at some point in time in a week when they didn't reach the minimum. I personally consider this approach had a wider reach (ex. Chipmixer) than many campaigns which were indeed paying a little less than CM. If the quality participants wear the signature, the campaign would be having the best outreach instead of handing over to redundant posters who post 25 meaningless posts and are indeed a much less value to the forum.

I am not sure if someone has suggested this idea before, but we all know the outreach of no minimum post count campaigns like CM!!!

[Rikafip]

Well, we can be very much sure that greedy spammers would try to reach their 25/30 posts somehow to grab the highest pay but on the other hand, this would differentiate spammers and non-spammers.

To be honest, if someone makes only 15 posts per week that doesn't make him good poster, same as writing 40-50 posts per week doesn't make you spammer or bad poster (quite a few CM members reach 50 posts cap each week). So even if Best_Change implements what you suggested, it wouldn't automatically differentiate bad from good poster. You simply have to look at each poster individually, no matter the payment system.
It's true though that no minimum would give more room to good posters that for some reason don't have enough time to meet week quota, but from what I noticed Best_Change is somewhat lenient there so if you are ocassionaly few posts short you won't be kicked immediately.

I like @Best_Change approach as it is, where they are constantly "pruning" out less quality/active members and substituting with better ones, making campaign more quality, therefore more successful (we can see that it works, as it's getting harder and harder to get into campaign, competition is tough and you have to be good to get in ).

[YOSHIE]

Guys, we reviewed your posts and decided to exclude you. Since our obligations are completely fulfiled and money are paid in full, we have no reason to continue the discussion. We bear the costs of the project and we have the right to decide who will participate in the campaign and who will not. We are sorry, but we have no time to explain our position to every participant again and again. Our opinion is already written above. We wish the best of luck in other campaigns to all excluded participants.

observe & watch;
Now different is more assertive & professional.

This time your decisions and words are right on target and correct.
You are campaign manager, you have full rights to the rules and conclusions about the participants of the BestChange campaign.

Solve this problem, take the participants that you think, the company and the BestChange team, are eligible to be included in the new participant campaign.
The sooner the better.

Anyone has the right to accept the decisions that have been issued by the campaign manager, even though that happened to me.
Of course this decision is hard, but the manager, has a team of decisions that have been taken at this time.

@Best_Change, do your best, you & your team know better, "progress" of the BestChange company now and in the future.

[OcTradism]

Just a random thought, not sure how others would react on this? But, instead of having $90 pay rate per week and having 25 posts as minimum you can consider paying $3.5 per post for Hero/Legendary Members. You can implement a rule like there is no minimum post count and you would be paying a maximum of upto 25-30 posts per week.

There are two types of campaigns: fixed payment with fixed number of posts; Pay per post (post more and earn more)

Companies have different targets and they will have different decisions to run different campaign types.

- Fixed payments will bring more stable effects from signature and participants.
- Pay per post will bring more flexibile effects.
Which types of campaign, the quality of participants is important and manager is hired for the tasks: choosing good participants, and forcing them to maintain their good quality posts to get payments.

Types of campaigns:

There are generally two types of campaigns: 'Fixed' campaigns which offer a fixed amount of bitcoins for a minimum of X amount of posts and 'Pay Per Post' which is pretty self-explanatory. Pay Per Post campaigns pay for every post that a user makes and thus tend to be the most abused whilst fixed campaigns tend to limit the amount of spam generated. It's up to you which campaign you choose and both are fine just as long as you have someone monitoring them. If you don't then either form of campaign will be abused. If you want to check out or compare other signature campaigns an overview of all the currently active ones can be found here.

Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign)

[Sanugarid]

If you can't find a 2 or 3 pager thread in a section ( I doubt it ) where you want to post, then just open a new one but make sure it is interesting and timely, as simple as that so you can avoid writing on megathreads.
Campaign like this, that has been around for many months should be kept progressive, I understand the call of the Bestchange on changing the rules. Must follow if you want to keep your signature.

[OcTradism]

If you can't find a 2 or 3 pager thread in a section ( I doubt it ) where you want to post, then just open a new one but make sure it is interesting and timely, as simple as that so you can avoid writing on megathreads.

It is not a wisely way to get acceptance for your posts.

Do neither post if you don't see reasons to posts (questions are already answered) nor your idea and information is bad, boring, not creative, not helpful.

Do not create a new thread (yours) only because you don't find any thread to release your posts. No idea, just create threads because you need a place to get post count and just to avoid spam mega threads. It is where spam mega threads are born for: place to post and get postcount, and activities.

[btcltcdigger]

As all other bounty types, signature bounty has mutated into something that's not supposed to be.
IMHO signature bounty should be a way to reward people for their contribution on the forum and crypto in general, while providing advertisement to the company sponsoring it.
But nowadays, many people consider bounty as "work" and a chore, that's why these guys are fighting so hard not to be excluded, because they're counting on that money.

Having said that, imho the fairest approach to signature bounty, from company that's sponsoring it perspective, would be for the manager, having full authority, read every single post, and decide which post should be rewarded. This method however would take too much time, and person running the bounty would get a headache every day checking dozens of people.

So i agree with @best_change, it's their porogative to accept what they want to sponsor and what not, especially since money put into this on a weekly basis is not insefnificant.

[pokeronlinestatus]

I just started this topic and will love to hear your opinion : Is it a right approach a campaign decides where you to post?

[Bitcoin_Arena]

I just started this topic and will love to hear your opinion : Is it a right approach a campaign decides where you to post?

That wasn't necessary, I don't think the decision they made should be up for discussion in reputation board. They already issued a warning last week and on top of that It's their money. So why don't we give them a right to choose what they like if they have paid everyone in full?

We have seen certain CMs remove excellent posters from participating in their sig campaigns but i haven't seen such complaints or topics about it in reputation board except thanking them for the time they were offered to participate in the campaign. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[The Cryptovator]

Guys! Why so much violence regarding removal decisions? Please learn to respect the manager's decisions on those campaigns you are participating in. This violence reminds me of a quote;

“If you don’t like a Rule…Just Follow it…Reach on the Top…And Change the Rule.” -Adolf Hitler

Honestly, I was trying to avoid discussion regarding removal. Because of its manager's decision and we should appreciate it. We forgot that manager isn't obliged to explain regarding removal. "He is the payer and we are the beggar taker, and beggar taker can't be a chooser". Its manager right to choose perfect participants for his campaign since they have their standards. Please let him do his job.

Just contribute yourself to the forum and hope you will get in a better campaign.

[Questat]

I am not sure if someone has suggested this idea before, but we all know the outreach of no minimum post count campaigns like CM!!!

I suggested this before, the chipmixer rule, but you explain it well, so thanks for giving that idea to this campaign.

Well, we can be very much sure that greedy spammers would try to reach their 25/30 posts somehow to grab the highest pay but on the other hand, this would differentiate spammers and non-spammers.

I think if a poster have enough time to spend in the forum, they can meet even 50 posts per week, I've seen a lot of posters in the CM campaign who are consistent with reaching the limit paid post, but they are good posters, not spammers, so I guess I disagree with the word greedy and spammers.

[btcltcdigger]

I think if a poster have enough time to spend in the forum, they can meet even 50 posts per week, I've seen a lot of posters in the CM campaign who are consistent with reaching the limit paid post, but they are good posters, not spammers, so I guess I disagree with the word greedy and spammers.

Problem here is that very high percentage of "paid posters", ie signature campaign participants, are only doing it for the money. If the rule is 25, they will dish out 25 and that's it, won't log in til the end of the week.
But now BM is actually restricting them from posting on the "good old post farming megathreads" and it becomes a problem, because now they have to turn on that light bulb in their head and post something constructive and helpful to the community.

It's even worse in the altcoin sig campaigns, where you have threads with 50+ posts with same exact answer, only worded differently, and it counts. I guess old habbits die hard

[examplens]

All participants in BestChange Signature Campaign they should feel privileged because they are part of this program.
My advice to all participants, when you post something here on Bitcointalk, just think, does anyone read you post, and whether your signature carries any significance.
I fully understand the campaign manager if he can't accept posts in mega discussion's threads like posts in "Altcoin Discussion > Is it risky to invest in new crytpo coin/tokens?" can anyone find me a constructive post here? it is written here only to fill the number of posts quota, to be honest, no one read anything from there. that is, there are no readers, signature it's not read.
if someone is involved in a signature campaign, they should know something about the company which hired them, and there must be mutual interest where it's advertisements will be shown.
Bestchange have nothing with gambling, and it is not their priority to have his signature in the gambling section, but they still have a bunch of posts there. Mine too 
they are engaged in exchange and financial matters, but I did not see many posts there from his participants, although it would be logical for them to be present there.

It's simple, some discussion can be useful after 50 pages, but also some may be useless just after a few posts. Many here either do not understand what constructive discussion means, but needs to be considered, what is a benefit for an employer ^{(signature campaign owner)} if they just post and full fil some numbers of the posts counts.
For example, I represent the interests of Bestchange, and if they have a result from my work, I guess it will be more job for me, more money for me and ...

So, again it's no matter if someone post in 4 pages or 44th page if the discussion is useless and no one care. It is a waste of signature owners money. All users must keep this in mind.

Bonus advise to all users, any posts in "mega discussion" thread are almost always worthless, they need to be avoided. if it is difficult, then you should avoid Bitcoin payment campaigns.

[DaCryptoRaccoon]

#Proof Of Authentication
Bitcointalk Name: MagicByt3
Bitcointalk Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2269783
Current amount of Posts (Including this one): 958
Amount of merits for the last 120 days: 59
BTC Address: 3JjsGHYQH8yVJA5G4mgPNHuoX4DHmU5fis

[AB de Royse777]

"He is the payer and we are the beggar, and beggar can't be a chooser".

Excuse me! Sorry, I was just reading and found this is too offensive to read.

I really do not see how I am a beggar here. That's not how it's working for me. There is a price for my signature space and I have given it to BestChange because I think the price worth it for me, although I am a GreedyBitcoiner and would like more sats on my way:-D

But I can not accept that I am begging here.

Since I have my post in here already, so I would like to write a little more about this matter.
I think (I can't remember properly) long ago I was suggesting Best_Change to reduce number of participants. Keep only good quality posters who are really not counting how many posts they made in a week, but they are posting because they are engaged in the conversations.
And perhaps they can pay these good valuable poster more than they are paying now as an incentive because from the reduction of participants they will already save from the weekly budget.

A personal observation: When someone is wearing CM signature it's by default that this is a good forum member, but we still can not tell anyone with close eyes that if someone is wearing BestChange signature then they are a good forum member.

BestChange is already paying a lot of money considering the number of participants they have then why not follow something that will give them a very high standard.

In this process if I find myself out of a spot then I think I am fine by knowing that a better one should have a spot before me.

Cheers,

[Vispilio]

#Proof of Authentication
Bitcointalk username: Vispilio
Bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288
Current amount of posts (including this one): 2887
Merit earned in the last 120 days: 98
BTC Address for Payouts: bc1qjpms8lghlmd5at6h3h72udgy3elznt9gd32zgx

[Avirunes]

Just coming here to apologize Best_Change for not posting as according to what they were asking for. I was aware about the spam megathreads but didn't realized that they also considered gambling discussion threads into those kind of spam threads as well. But anyway what done is done. I always usually post in such threads since I love to talk about such things so I had no intention of spamming in my defense. I understand Best_Change's decision and I will gladly accept this in a good way to improve my posting style by trying to post in other sections as well.

Thanks for hearing me out. Have a good journey everyone.  

Thanks @wozzek23 for helping me out with the detailed report.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Just coming here to apologize Best_Change for not posting as according to what they were asking for. I was aware about the spam megathreads but didn't realized that they also considered gambling discussion threads into those kind of spam threads as well. But anyway what done is done.

No need to apologize mate, I think you did great for the past weeks you did for bestchange campaign, and Im sure  they appreciate your promotions for them. Good luck on your future campaigns. Youre a reputable member of the forum and mostly recognized you (even myself)

BestChange said, they are not closing their doors for possible reentry on the campaign. So chances that you can regain your slot in the future. Good luck again.