[CLOSED] BestChange Signature Campaign | Sr Member+

[Poker Player]

Will any signature campaign participants conclude the best course of action is for them to leave and find a different signature campaign?

Can you ask the questions in a less biased way? With this rhetorical question you are trying to force the participants in the campaign to do what you want them to do.

You are acting as judge and jury, condemning Best Change, without the trial having taken place.

[JollyGood]

You misconstrued what I wrote, there is no bias attached and I am not acting as judge, jury, executioner or anything else. Your presumption to that effect is ill-concluded since there was a counter-balance written yet you picked and chose what you wanted to take the meaning out of context.

In effect, Best Change is employing people to promote it and in light of the latest allegation where their brand name and business ethics was called in to question here SCAM EXCHANGE MONITOR: BestChange

I asked for signature participants for their views because either they will support the way Best Change is conducting business therefore should be happy to defend it and therefore to promote it... or they are not happy with the way Best Change conducts business therefore should not be happy to promote it and therefore should not promote it.

If signature campaign participants are unhappy with the manner in which Best Change conducts itself and are unwilling to defend it but at the same time are happy to promote it, then that in itself raises a different question about their own moral behaviour. $400 a month plus bonuses for several members is a lot of money in many parts of the world and that can cloud judgements of even the most capable and rational people.

I am waiting for the Best Change forum representative to give their own views on the allegation in question and their signature campaign participants could or should do the the same before concluding what they feel is the best course of action for them.

Will any signature campaign participants conclude the best course of action is for them to leave and find a different signature campaign?

Can you ask the questions in a less biased way? With this rhetorical question you are trying to force the participants in the campaign to do what you want them to do.

You are acting as judge and jury, condemning Best Change, without the trial having taken place.

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You misconstrued what I wrote, there is no bias attached and I am not acting as judge, jury, executioner or anything else. Your presumption to that effect is ill-concluded since there was a counter-balance written yet you picked and chose what you wanted to take the meaning out of context.

In effect, Best Change is employing people to promote it and in light of the latest allegation where their brand name and business ethics was called in to question here SCAM EXCHANGE MONITOR: BestChange

I asked for signature participants for their views because either they will support the way Best Change is conducting business therefore should be happy to defend it and therefore to promote it... or they are not happy with the way Best Change conducts business therefore should not be happy to promote it and therefore should not promote it.

If signature campaign participants are unhappy with the manner in which Best Change conducts itself and are unwilling to defend it but at the same time are happy to promote it, then that in itself raises a different question about their own moral behaviour. $400 a month plus bonuses for several members is a lot of money in many parts of the world and that can cloud judgements of even the most capable and rational people.

I am waiting for the Best Change forum representative to give their own views on the allegation in question and their signature campaign participants could or should do the the same before concluding what they feel is the best course of action for them.

Will any signature campaign participants conclude the best course of action is for them to leave and find a different signature campaign?

Can you ask the questions in a less biased way? With this rhetorical question you are trying to force the participants in the campaign to do what you want them to do.

You are acting as judge and jury, condemning Best Change, without the trial having taken place.

you say exactly what Poker Player wrote, I absolutely agree with him.
now if the two of us already understood your words like that, maybe you should think about whether you expressed yourself well.
I also came to the conclusion that leaving the campaign is a "must" because there are criticisms of the owner. whether the participants of the signature campaign are the most important part of the whole business?

I haven't had enough time for the forum in the last 2-3 days, although I followed a famous case. due to the lack of time, and there are already certain positions that I agree with. I did not consider my participation (as the bearer of the Best Change signature) in the discussion to be urgent, just didn't want to repeat things over and over again.
now I will do it anyway, to make an official note.

[JollyGood]

you say exactly what Poker Player wrote, I absolutely agree with him.

Thank you for the feedback but I disagree with the manner in which the original post was interpreted and misconstrued.

now if the two of us already understood your words like that, maybe you should think about whether you expressed yourself well.

I think I expressed myself in a clear and concise manner and the expression is part of my style, my character and the way I post. I think I expressed myself appropriately but can consider using alternative words and expressions to make myself more clearer if future in need be. Having said that there really is not much to change in the original post or the subsequent follow-up because the points raised are valid even if some members might find the text somewhat harsh.

I also came to the conclusion that leaving the campaign is a "must" because there are criticisms of the owner. whether the participants of the signature campaign are the most important part of the whole business?

You misconstrued my post and by the looks of it even the follow-up too. What you attributed to me is factually incorrect.

I haven't had enough time for the forum in the last 2-3 days, although I followed a famous case. due to the lack of time, and there are already certain positions that I agree with. I did not consider my participation (as the bearer of the Best Change signature) in the discussion to be urgent, just didn't want to repeat things over and over again.
now I will do it anyway, to make an official note.

Yes I can understand the time aspect. Time is always of the essence and making time for the forum is not always possible.

I certainly do not feel there is an immediate need for any signature campaign participant to post in any discussion related to Best Change as a sense of urgency but since those displaying Best Change signatures are receiving payment of at least $100 per week for doing so, they have a moral responsibility to make a decision about their future affiliation with Best Change after investigating the facts and after reading what Best Change have to say on the matter.

If after going through the claims against Best Change and the counter-claims their signature campaign participants conclude there is no reason for them to stop promoting Best Change then that is a decision for them just as it is for those that conclude they will not promote Best Change any longer and just as it is for those that will not promote Best Change until or unless they change certain business practices. Each to their own.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

I was hoping those participating in the Best Change signature campaign would take a look at this thread and then give some feedback on the subject matter: SCAM EXCHANGE MONITOR: BestChange

I personally saw it and posted what I thought in one of the threads, but this should not be a case for immediate alarm for most sig campaign participants. It's not a must that participants should have an opinion on any complaint that comes up. I believe some members don't even check on scam accusations board.

This is not the first time Best Change has received negative press but what do Best Change signature campaign participants think about the manner in which the business they promote is conducting itself?

Most of the negative press was initially based on "Guilty until proven innocent" If you were active when this happened. Most members who rushed to send them negative feedback had to remove or change it to neutral.  A couple of scam accusations have come by, but even just as an exchanger monitor, they did try to resolve them amicably.

Will any signature campaign participants conclude the best course of action is for them to leave and find a different signature campaign?

Are BestChange.com scammers? If they are, please let me know.

Will any signature campaign participants post views defending the manner in which Best Change is operating?

I believe this is a choice, not a must.

[Best_Change]

The payment has been sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ec3ed57211aa93742f6295ce7a4dbdc27ccfeee3daa3a08b7275e02063b2c6fb

The bonus went to:

• Darker45
• cryptoaddictchie
• hugeblack
• Charles-Tim
• Mpamaegbu

Thank you for your great work!

[JollyGood]

I personally saw it and posted what I thought in one of the threads, but this should not be a case for immediate alarm for most sig campaign participants.

If it is not a case for immediate alarm from most signature campaign participants then which are the minority that it is a case for immediate alarm?

It's not a must that participants should have an opinion on any complaint that comes up.

That is your opinion and I welcome it, however I disagree. That is the beauty of an open forum we can all express our views 

I would say that at the very least, signature campaign participants should study the complaints against those that are paying them even if they do not make public statements to support either side to start with. After a scam or misconduct allegation is closed, signature campaign participants should leave the campaign if a scam has taken place or stay if no scam has taken place and/or a resolution has been found... or leave if they are not satisfied with the outcome.

In my opinion allegations against websites/organisations cannot be overlooked or dismissed by those promoting them simply on the basis that they pay weekly signature campaign fees on time, even with added bonuses such as in the format in which Best Change operate.

I believe some members don't even check on scam accusations board.

Yes that is true, hence my posting about the issue in this thread where all Best Change participants would be perusing in order to check there were updates as well as if they were in line for receiving the weekly bonus.

That is why I suggest Best Change signature campaign read what is actually being discussed about their service:

Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED)
SCAM EXCHANGE MONITOR: BestChange

Most of the negative press was initially based on "Guilty until proven innocent" If you were active when this happened. Most members who rushed to send them negative feedback had to remove or change it to neutral.  A couple of scam accusations have come by, but even just as an exchanger monitor, they did try to resolve them amicably.

Well let us for argument sake say that happened in an amicable manner, that was the past. The latest allegation against Open Change via Best Change affiliate links was mentioned. The previous alleged good conduct of Best Change (in resolving scam allegations and other issues associated to them) was not raised here.

As for the thread you linked above, the very same thread has this post (#3) which also should not be dismissed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217470.msg53602682#msg53602682

And my reply to it (#63) making my feelings known: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217470.msg53617135#msg53617135

In the same thread (post #61) the member states that the OP (that you linked above) demonstrated Best Change can add scam exchanges without proper checks: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217470.msg53616819#msg53616819

Are BestChange.com scammers? If they are, please let me know.

I think the onus is on forum members who agree to promote a business, project or service to apply due-diligence before deciding to receive remuneration in lieu of promotion. When applying due-diligence, prospective signature campaign participants can come to their own conclusions about whether they are promoting as scam or not and whether they feel they are happy to promote the website paying them.

As for me stating whether Best Change are scammers, I not am going to say they are a scam but some of their practices are borderline. For example, they promoted a scam exchange (Open Change) and the incident was mentioned by the victim. He visited bestchange.com and found Open Exchange via an affiliate link on thier website. The user sent approximately $5000 worth of crypto which they withheld, only to release 90% but kept 10% for themselves under the guise of their highly dubious Terms and Conditions. They effectively are saying their ToS allow them to confiscate 10% of funds if they they deem the transaction to be suspicious.

And they did it here:

Openchange (Openchange.cash) (PARTIALLY SOLVED)
SCAM EXCHANGE MONITOR: BestChange

Best Change have not yet answered a simple question: Are they going to receive an affiliate payment from Open Change for 10% that they stole from the victim? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404706.msg60513258#msg60513258

Keeping this in perspective and looking at the current situation, I would not be promoting Best Change and would disassociate myself from them if I were on their payroll and that is only because my threshold is very short therefore for me it does not need to be an out-and-out scam for me distance myself from promoting it. Having said that, other members have their own threshold and their own criteria for carrying out their own due-diligence and come to their own conclusion.

Will any signature campaign participants post views defending the manner in which Best Change is operating?

I believe this is a choice, not a must.

You believe absolutely correct, it is a personal choice.

From what I can see, for now at least it is only Best Change that can force those participating it their signature campaign to make a public statement about how it conducts business on the bestchange.com website and they will probably refrain from doing so as it could backfire spectacularly on them.

For obvious reasons, signature campaign participants questioning Best Change publicly about the way it conducts business will probably be removed whereas those that do not have any issue with Best Change business practices (or those that do not publicly question it) will be allowed to continue promoting it for their weekly remuneration.

I will be waiting to read their next post in the threads I linked, especially looking for the answer to the question about whether they will receive an affiliate payment from Open Change as a result from the 10% they stole from the victim.

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You believe absolutely correct, it is a personal choice.

From what I can see, for now at least it is only Best Change that can force those participating it their signature campaign to make a public statement about how it conducts business on the bestchange.com website and they will probably refrain from doing so as it could backfire spectacularly on them.

For obvious reasons, signature campaign participants questioning Best Change publicly about the way it conducts business will probably be removed whereas those that do not have any issue with Best Change business practices (or those that do not publicly question it) will be allowed to continue promoting it for their weekly remuneration.

I will be waiting to read their next post in the threads I linked, especially looking for the answer to the question about whether they will receive an affiliate payment from Open Change as a result from the 10% they stole from the victim.

I believe we should refrain from speculation and guesswork. what someone will probably do, let's leave it for the moment when it finally happens.
by guessing in such sensitive matters, we make it difficult to see the situation realistically, especially when they are this biased and stubborn.

Also, this is the signature campaign thread I would say that it is not necessary to have another place to discuss the same thing. for example, I gave you my answer in the scam accusations thread, I believe you may not have seen it. but that's not a surprise when the discussion about this case is conducted in 4 different threads.

[Best_Change]

We have sent the payment for the week 130: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/791a8a50ed6e1de140451aab37d761821283d04f68a4fee39db3036eb17039c2

The bonus went to:

• examplens
• tvplus006
• crwth
• adaseb
• Nrcewker

Thank you, everyone, for your great work. Let's rock further!

[_BlackStar]

We have sent the payment for the week 130: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/791a8a50ed6e1de140451aab37d761821283d04f68a4fee39db3036eb17039c2

The payment is visible in the wallet since 9 hours ago, but it is still unconfirmed as of now. I think the low transaction fees are the reason why it wasn't confirmed, so a bit more patient to wait for this one. But thanks for the smooth payout this week.

[Best_Change]

The payment for the week 131 has been sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/49f0026f809b90a95d9b9a7c736ea5dfb1ec74662a283a6b51f28cf0b1fc49ae

The bonus went to:

• Upgrade00
• zasad@
• Charles-Tim
• _BlackStar

Thank you, everyone, for your great work!

[Blawpaw]

Can I get onboard?

Bitcointalk Profile:Blawpaw
Amount of merits for the last 120 days:1011 - 0
BTC Address:3FnRsJBYWpWrCkBjHByMGXChfhwVXALEmw

Hope you guys can consider my application!

Cheers,

[Z-tight]

Hope you guys can consider my application!

The campaign isn't open yet, it is CFNP (closed for new participants), you are an aspiring new participant so you'd have to wait for a signal from the campaign manager stating that the campaign is open before applying, sending applications before the manager does that isn't helping your chances when the campaign opens in the future. Cheers!

[_BlackStar]

Looks like Best_Change forgot to notify the gang about the 132nd week payment has been sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3eb845122ffac66aaed1fc318eac82082d74be6d3e3d778ea1d412521a0905ec

The bonus goes to:
hugeblack
lovesmayfamilis
KingsDen
Bitcoin_Arena

[Charles-Tim]

Looks like Best_Change forgot to notify the gang about the 132nd week payment has been sent

Good work though. But Best_Change can never and has never forgotten such before, it can take long sometimes before it is updated here.

[Best_Change]

The payment for the week 132 has been sent: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3eb845122ffac66aaed1fc318eac82082d74be6d3e3d778ea1d412521a0905ec

The bonus went to:

• hugeblack
• Bitcoin_Arena
• lovesmayfamilis
• KingsDen

Thank you, everyone, for your excellent work!

[Best_Change]

We have sent the payment for week 133: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/58fd8180346d50e2accf6dd4cc55b3b5ed5b2b7edb0cdf7220abf9d5fd5b730e

The bonus went to:

• tvplus006
• sheenshane
• hugeblack
• lovesmayfamilis
• Mpamaegbu

Thank you, everyone, for your great input! Keep it up!

[Best_Change]

We have sent the payment for week 134: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/76d6ffb8a8768e65fcf8071c97c54f0b961fb2e7ac16421e39b7814093b872e5

The bonus went to:

• GreatArkansas
• Upgrade00
• Charles-Tim
• GeorgeJohn
• KingsDen

Cheers!

[Mpamaegbu]

The bonus went to:

• GreatArkansas
• Upgrade00
• Charles-Tim
• GeorgeJohn
• KingsDen

Cheers!

I got paid bonus for the week but my name isn't on that list. I guess there's a mix up somewhere. Kindly, crosscheck if it was wrongly sent so I can get it back across.

[Best_Change]

The bonus went to:

• GreatArkansas
• Upgrade00
• Charles-Tim
• GeorgeJohn
• KingsDen

Cheers!

I got paid bonus for the week but my name isn't on that list. I guess there's a mix up somewhere. Kindly, crosscheck if it was wrongly sent so I can get it back across.

Dear Mpamaegbu, thank you for notifying us about that. The formula in Google sheets was erroneous, so we wrongly sent you an extra 30 dollars. We would appreciate it if you could return the surplus to the same address we sent you the payment from. Thank you!