🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈

[South Park]

You guys need any more players? I am interested if so.  Just got your message via ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5172150.120 ).

I may need a player or two for my league. ( have not read much in this thread yet fyi, will do so in a bit, just wanted to quickly post this as we are nearing the season and it's go time to set up a league! ..I'm excited).

This is the list of the players which have showed interest on participating on the league.

Looks like we have six members interested in a fantasy football league, we're 60-75% there.

Here're the members who expressed interest so far:

@figmentofmyass
@nutildah
@bbc.reporter
@South Park
@tyKiwanuka
@DireWolfM14


I'm calling out some of the members who were active in the Essential NFL thread throughout last season.  Maybe we can entice two or four of them to join as well.

@Hueristic

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@morvillz7z

If everyone that has showed interest on the league joins we will have 9 players in total counting yourself so I think we could still need an additional player.

There was interest in forming the league in July but the possibility of players opting-out obviously delayed this and it seems the interest on forming the league has subsided, but if people are still interested I will participate even if as I have stated before I will be last place on the league.

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[Hueristic]

I'm in as long as its not PPR.

I could get a few more I think as well.

I would also recommend that it be an invite only, one bad apple can ruin a league.

[morvillz7z]

I'm also in and want this to happen badly but we don't have much time left, the season opener is in exactly three weeks from now.
So someone needs to step up, take the initiative and set up the league...

Things that we need to figure out first:

-entry fee (i'm good with anything between 0.003 to 0.005)
-non ppr, ppr or half point (non ppr works for me)
-draft date/time (i'll make draft at whatever time/date it is)
-platform (yahoo fantasy football)

Let's do this! 

[nutildah]

Let's do this! 

I know I'm the one that floated the idea originally but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to back out :/ sorry

Am gonna be traveling a lot in the upcoming months and would be a drag to play with, as I can't give it my all. You guys should certainly feel free to continue without me, or else maybe join the other forum fantasy league -- pretty sure there is one. Again, my apologies.

[DireWolfM14]

I regret to say that I don't think I'll have time for a fantasy league this year.  

I've been scarce on the forum lately due to a hectic work schedule, and it looks like it's going to stay that way.  All this hard work is about to pay off though, so I'm not too bummed about it.  My boss recommended me for a promotion, which it looks like I'll get.  Of course that means more travel for training and visits to other company facilities in the next few months, not to mention the added responsibilities.  And that leads to even less time for the forum.

[figmentofmyass]

sounds like this may not happen? i don't wanna manage the league, but i'm still in.

Things that we need to figure out first:

-entry fee (i'm good with anything between 0.003 to 0.005)
-non ppr, ppr or half point (non ppr works for me)
-draft date/time (i'll make draft at whatever time/date it is)
-platform (yahoo fantasy football)

i'm good with 0.003-0.005 BTC too. non ppr is fine. i'm good with yahoo or ESPN.

the only thing i'm worried about is making the live draft. my schedule is kinda wonky lately. i don't mind handicapping myself with an auto-draft, but not sure if this is possible in a live draft league?

[bbc.reporter]

I want to join for near the lower part of the .003 - .005 range. I am only a casual fan and I only want to have fun while watching the games. This will also be my first time to play fantasy football, I might only be wasting some coins hehehehe.

[Hueristic]

I regret to say that I don't think I'll have time for a fantasy league this year.  

I've been scarce on the forum lately due to a hectic work schedule, and it looks like it's going to stay that way.  All this hard work is about to pay off though, so I'm not too bummed about it.  My boss recommended me for a promotion, which it looks like I'll get.  Of course that means more travel for training and visits to other company facilities in the next few months, not to mention the added responsibilities.  And that leads to even less time for the forum.

Congrats!

Let's do this! 

I know I'm the one that floated the idea originally but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to back out :/ sorry

Am gonna be traveling a lot in the upcoming months and would be a drag to play with, as I can't give it my all. You guys should certainly feel free to continue without me, or else maybe join the other forum fantasy league -- pretty sure there is one. Again, my apologies.

Bummer gonna miss you.

I want to join for near the lower part of the .003 - .005 range. I am only a casual fan and I only want to have fun while watching the games. This will also be my first time to play fantasy football, I might only be wasting some coins hehehehe.

Cool.

sounds like this may not happen? i don't wanna manage the league, but i'm still in.

Things that we need to figure out first:

-entry fee (i'm good with anything between 0.003 to 0.005)
-non ppr, ppr or half point (non ppr works for me)
-draft date/time (i'll make draft at whatever time/date it is)
-platform (yahoo fantasy football)

i'm good with 0.003-0.005 BTC too. non ppr is fine. i'm good with yahoo or ESPN.

the only thing i'm worried about is making the live draft. my schedule is kinda wonky lately. i don't mind handicapping myself with an auto-draft, but not sure if this is possible in a live draft league?

I doubt anyone will mind if you auto or not. you can setup[ a list before hand and it will do whatever order you set.




So what do we have for a list right now?

And If no one has an objection to non-ppr I'll msg some people and see if we can get the ranks filled. Some guys from the first (and or second I can't really remember) Monero league I'd like to invite that were alot of fun.

[tyKiwanuka]

I am still interested as well, but I think we have too few participants (?). And we need someone to take the initiative and set things up, so we can advertise a bit more with clear rules, buy-in, link to join etc. Any volunteers ?

I am fine with any reasonable buy-in and have no preferences for the rules, since I don't know the differences between them, lol. Any draft time fine with me as well.

[figmentofmyass]

I am fine with any reasonable buy-in and have no preferences for the rules, since I don't know the differences between them, lol. Any draft time fine with me as well.

just mind the difference when you make your draft list. non-ppr = no points awarded for receptions. WRs take a hit, RBs have more value early on (except maybe scat backs who mostly catch passes---they are more valuable in PPR), etc. as far as receiving stats go, yards and touchdowns matter, that's it.

so is Hueristic running this then?

[Hueristic]

I am fine with any reasonable buy-in and have no preferences for the rules, since I don't know the differences between them, lol. Any draft time fine with me as well.

just mind the difference when you make your draft list. non-ppr = no points awarded for receptions. WRs take a hit, RBs have more value early on (except maybe scat backs who mostly catch passes---they are more valuable in PPR), etc. as far as receiving stats go, yards and touchdowns matter, that's it.

so is Hueristic running this then?

Actually PPR is extra points per reception, WR and Rb's already get points when making yards. PPR is just so the odds makers can determine average targets and that is why the algorithms are so good at choosing ppr leagues. FF was originally Standard and ppr was added and pushed by those that like to set the books. Basically it takes alot of the guess work out.


If no-one else is interested then I guess I could set it up.

[tyKiwanuka]

Looks like we won't have FF for this season, but maybe next season then

BUT, in a few days from now, we have something to do again on boring Sundays (for those who don't poker^^), so here are the games for week 1 with average odds taken from oddsportal:

Kansas City Chiefs - Houston Texans 1,22 4,33
Atlanta Falcons - Seattle Seahawks 2,04 1,80
Baltimore Ravens - Cleveland Browns 1,27 3,86
Buffalo Bills - New York Jets 1,34   3,30
Carolina Panthers - Las Vegas Raiders 2,34 1,62
Detroit Lions - Chicago Bears 1,63 2,31
Jacksonville Jaguars - Indianapolis Colts 3,94 1,26
Minnesota Vikings - Green Bay Packers   1,70 2,18
New England Patriots - Miami Dolphins 1,34 3,31
Washington - Philadelphia Eagles 3,22 1,35
Cincinnati Bengals - Los Angeles Chargers 2,51 1,54
New Orleans Saints - Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1,55   2,48
San Francisco 49ers - Arizona Cardinals 1,31 3,52
Los Angeles Rams - Dallas Cowboys 2,21 1,68
New York Giants - Pittsburgh Steelers 2,78 1,45
Denver Broncos - Tennessee Titans 1,83 2,00

At first glance I only like Bills (HC -6), some more reasearch needed for the rest. Raiders look good as well odds-wise imo, but early game on the road is always a bit meh with them. Super excited for Saints vs Bucs

[nutildah]

At first glance I only like Bills (HC -6), some more reasearch needed for the rest. Raiders look good as well odds-wise imo, but early game on the road is always a bit meh with them. Super excited for Saints vs Bucs

I'm thinking Houston @ +9.5 might be a good pick if I can get it at that. If its only 9 by the time I want to place a bet, I probably won't take it.

I have a general sportsbook question for Americans: where's a good place to open an account?

[Hueristic]

Sorry guys, I have just been slammed lately and have fallen behind on tons of stuff.

If someone wants to step up and run I'll play but I can't sink the time right now.

Maybe we should have a late one that starts like week 5,

Without pre season its impossible to make any decisions anyway.

[tyKiwanuka]

I'm thinking Houston @ +9.5 might be a good pick if I can get it at that. If its only 9 by the time I want to place a bet, I probably won't take it.

They definitely had good success against KC last season and if not collapsing after Q1 in the PO game, who knows how far they could have gotten. I would think twice about any bet on Houston though. Chiefs will basically play with the same team as last season and I expect them to be super sharp right from the get go because of this. Other teams will struggle a lot more with this limited preparation. Houston lost Hopkins and added Cobb/Cooks, plus they have a new RB in Johnson - I am not sure, if they will click offensively in this game, where you would expect them having to put up some more points to beat this HC.

I have a general sportsbook question for Americans: where's a good place to open an account?

Not American obviously, but what are you looking for ? Crypto or fiat book ? Would you be willing to do KYC ?

5dimes is maybe something you could check out. They have BTC payments, but KYC afaik.


German tabloid Bild has some overview regarding spectators. Most teams will play behind closed doors for the start and first weeks, but there are some exceptions:

Browns: Up to 6,000 vs Bengals and Washington
Bengals: Up to 6,000 vs Jaguars and Browns
Ravens
Steelers

Cowboys: 50% capacity allowed
Giants
Washington
Eagles

Colts: Up to 15,000 (25% capacity)
Jaguars: 25% capacity allowed
Titans
Texans

Chiefs: 22% capacity (~16,000)
Broncos
Raiders
Chargers

Dolphins: Up to 13,000 for home opener against Bills
Patriots
Jets
Bills

Buccaneers: ~14,000 allowed
Saints
Falcons
Panthers

Seattle
49ers
Rams
Cardinals

Bears
Packers
Lions
Vikings

[nutildah]

Interesting stats about the fan capacities. It will be interesting to see if the stadiums that allow more people end up giving their home teams a slight advantage

Not American obviously, but what are you looking for ? Crypto or fiat book ? Would you be willing to do KYC ?

5dimes is maybe something you could check out. They have BTC payments, but KYC afaik.

Yeah just BTC or crypto sportsbook. Apparently 5dimes is closing its doors to US customers starting Sept 21st, at least temporarily:

https://sportshandle.com/5dimes-sportsbook-offshore-legal/

I don't mind the idea of KYC if its a reputable operation. I would prefer one where they don't ask it from you up front and that has a solid history for paying out its customers. That's about all I ask.

Also trying to figure out if I should just buy some sort of NFL package as I'd like to watch more games from home this year. Seeing as how that's pretty much the only option at the moment.

[tyKiwanuka]

I don't mind the idea of KYC if its a reputable operation. I would prefer one where they don't ask it from you up front and that has a solid history for paying out its customers. That's about all I ask.

I have accounts in these traditional bookmakers and never experienced any issues:

https://www.bookmaker.eu/
You will not have to do KYC immediately imo, but when you withdraw for the first time. They accept BTC, but you will bet in USD. US customers from all states accepted.

https://www.betonline.ag/
See above. In addition they have lots of special markets and bets for NFL for example, which lacks a bit in bookmaker.eu for my liking.

I don't have an account here (geo-blocked), but it's an established and trusted book:

https://www.bovada.lv

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I guess you know most of the crypto books, since they advertise here in this forum FJ is maybe my favourite because of the very nice UI and general smoothness when navigating. Stake is nice as well, though the site is a bit annoying/weary/slow.


ESPN ran it's annual simulation and the Chiefs will win the SB again - this time against the Cowboys Brady will lead the Bucs into NFC Championship game.....

[nutildah]

Thanks for the suggestions. For several years I used NitrogenSports but in the last year or so I've noticed an uptick in complaints about them... Do you have any experience or words of caution about them?

I don't have an account here (geo-blocked), but it's an established and trusted book:

https://www.bovada.lv

Right, I took a thorough look into Bovada. While they are highly reputable and won't run off with anybody's money, from what I gather they are very, very slow... Like, it could take days for them to process a bitcoin withdrawal. They are also owned by Calvin Ayre whom I'm trying to boycott on principle, lol.

[Gyfts]

Thanks for the suggestions. For several years I used NitrogenSports but in the last year or so I've noticed an uptick in complaints about them... Do you have any experience or words of caution about them?

I don't have an account here (geo-blocked), but it's an established and trusted book:

https://www.bovada.lv

Right, I took a thorough look into Bovada. While they are highly reputable and won't run off with anybody's money, from what I gather they are very, very slow... Like, it could take days for them to process a bitcoin withdrawal. They are also owned by Calvin Ayre whom I'm trying to boycott on principle, lol.

Doesn't Bovada immediately KYC you? Their withdrawals take days, I don't mind waiting if they won't immediately request documents. Stake apparently is opening up NFL betting, -400 odds on the Chiefs is free cash. Might use them.

[tyKiwanuka]

Do you have any experience or words of caution about them?

No, I never played there For some reason their site doesn't attract me and they are all the same nowadays more or less.

I wouldn't overthink things. Just make a small deposit to maybe FJ/Stake, play a little and see if you like it, you can always deposit more, costs just some tx fees. If you don't like it, just withdraw (if there is anything left ) and deposit to betonline/Bovada/bookmaker, where you'll then get KYCed sooner or later for a withdrawal. You don't have to choose one bookmaker now and play there for the rest of your life, just check some out and see which one suits your needs the best. Deposits/withdrawal are super fast and cheap these days, so no problem in hopping around a bit^^


I have played some outright bets to spice things up a bit for the upcoming season. Not expecting to get anything in return, it's more for fun and with small money. All regular season wins:

Cardinals over 7.5 @1.84 (they had 5 wins last season and I expect them to improve further, they have one of the easiest schedules with Washington, Lions, Panthers, Jets, Dolphins, Patriots (sorry Pats fans^^), Giants, Rams²)
Bills over 9 @1.87 (Easy division this year, kept most of their players, had 10 last year)
Carolina under 5.5 @2.21 (not expecting anything from them this season and 6 is a lot, when you are likely to go 0-6 in your division already)
Raiders over 7.5 @2.04 (I think Raiders will be good this season, don't ask me why)
Vikings over 9 @2.13 (They will win NFC North imo, last season 10 wins and they will be better this season overall)
Patriots under 9 @1.62 (so many players opted out, no Brady, getting 10 wins will be super hard, 9 is a push then, but I am expecting less)
Giants over 6 @1.84 (fanboy, lol)