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[DireWolfM14]

It might also help offset their steadily declining revenues, lol.  

I know that's most likely why they're doing it but I could never understand how exactly they're expecting it to work out. Renegotiate TV contracts? Are the advertisers actually going to pay more? For what exactly? Am I supposed to drink more beer than usual just because there is an extra NFL game?

It seems to me that it's a zero sum proposition, same money will get spread a bit thinner, there won't be hordes of new fans bringing new money, and existing fans may be more likely to skip one or two games because there will be more of those where top players are resting before playoffs etc.

They already have renegotiated the broadcasting contracts for the next twelve seasons.  It was mandated by their Collective Bargaining Agreement that a contract had to be accepted by at least one major broadcasting network before they could have a 17^th game.  According to the article the contracts are worth $10 billion per year, but I don't know how that compares to the last contract.  I assume it's significantly more, since the contracts are usually for a minimum of three years, and most at least five.

It's a doomed recipe, in my humble opinion.  The games are already a chore to watch with so many commercial interruptions, and the commercials themselves seem to get more and more annoying.  This new broadcasting agreement isn't likely to move things in a positive direction.  There were only a few games that I sat down to watch live during this last season.  Most of the time I start a half-hour late, and fast-forward through the bullshit, get caught up by half-time, and do the same thing for the second half.  It seems like at some point the advertisers will get wise to this trend and stop paying so much for advertising.  But what do I know, maybe it's worth it to them?

Take the new ABC contract for example; they're paying $2.7 billion per year for 19 games per season, and two super bowls in the next 12 years.  Just taking averages, a football game broadcast is about 3 hours long, and only about 1 hour and 20 minutes is dedicated to the game or announcer chit-chat.  That leaves about 1 hour and 40 minutes for commercials.  Again, on average ABC is paying about $140 million per game.  Just to break even, they have to charge about $700k for each 30-second long advertising slot.  Just to BREAK EVEN!  Like most retailers they have to make at least a 30% margin to be profitable, so that means they have to charge, on average $1m per commercial...

So, next time you're paying your car insurance bill recall how many of those time slots were occupied by the company to whom you're writing that check. Makes you wonder.

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[South Park]

It might also help offset their steadily declining revenues, lol.  

I know that's most likely why they're doing it but I could never understand how exactly they're expecting it to work out. Renegotiate TV contracts? Are the advertisers actually going to pay more? For what exactly? Am I supposed to drink more beer than usual just because there is an extra NFL game?

It seems to me that it's a zero sum proposition, same money will get spread a bit thinner, there won't be hordes of new fans bringing new money, and existing fans may be more likely to skip one or two games because there will be more of those where top players are resting before playoffs etc.

They are without a doubt diluting the quality of their product, over the short term this could give them some additional profits but it seems like a bad move for the health of the sport, it is similar to what we have now with the addition of two games during the wild card round, I watched the six games but instead of being exciting it was incredibly boring, especially the Bears game, so it is very unlikely that I'm going to watch all of the games during this next postseason, an additional regular-season game may not seem like a big deal but it is, the last Super Bowl was completely disappointing because the Chiefs OL was completely decimated and now there are higher chances this will happen during the playoffs again.

[wheelz1200]

NFL experts of this thread, is there a chance for Jimmy Garoppolo to return to the Patriots and reunite with Bill Belichik? I am quite certain Cam Newton will not be their starting quarterback if they want to play in the playoffs.

I speculate that Jimmy Garoppolo might have a better expectation to be NFL regular season MVP if he plays for the Patriots. 91.82 odds in sportsbet.io, more than 10x than an ICO from 2017 hehehe.

If the right deal comes along but they are only going to take a rock solid deal and Patriots usual MO is to give away late round picks for vets and thats not gonna do it for Jimmy.  At #3 SF will probably get the 3rd qb off the board so there is a good chance they want Jimmy for the season and part ways next year.  If I had to guess, no would be my answer to that.

[DireWolfM14]

NFL experts of this thread, is there a chance for Jimmy Garoppolo to return to the Patriots and reunite with Bill Belichik? I am quite certain Cam Newton will not be their starting quarterback if they want to play in the playoffs.

I speculate that Jimmy Garoppolo might have a better expectation to be NFL regular season MVP if he plays for the Patriots. 91.82 odds in sportsbet.io, more than 10x than an ICO from 2017 hehehe.

If the right deal comes along but they are only going to take a rock solid deal and Patriots usual MO is to give away late round picks for vets and thats not gonna do it for Jimmy.  At #3 SF will probably get the 3rd qb off the board so there is a good chance they want Jimmy for the season and part ways next year.  If I had to guess, no would be my answer to that.

What I hope will happen: Jimmy G stays with the Niners until retirement, stays healthy, wins multiple super bowls, and makes the 2021 draft and the #3 pick a forgotten and meaningless snippet in history.

What I fear will happen: The Niners will draft Mac Jones; he'll sit on the bench for a year while Jimmy G plays good enough to trade for a first round draft pick; Jones will compete for the starting job against some UFA promoted from the practice squad, and lose; the 49ers will go 4-9 (on their way to 4-13); Shanahan and Lynch will be fired; and it'll be a decade before we see another playoff berth.

[wheelz1200]

NFL experts of this thread, is there a chance for Jimmy Garoppolo to return to the Patriots and reunite with Bill Belichik? I am quite certain Cam Newton will not be their starting quarterback if they want to play in the playoffs.

I speculate that Jimmy Garoppolo might have a better expectation to be NFL regular season MVP if he plays for the Patriots. 91.82 odds in sportsbet.io, more than 10x than an ICO from 2017 hehehe.

If the right deal comes along but they are only going to take a rock solid deal and Patriots usual MO is to give away late round picks for vets and thats not gonna do it for Jimmy.  At #3 SF will probably get the 3rd qb off the board so there is a good chance they want Jimmy for the season and part ways next year.  If I had to guess, no would be my answer to that.

What I hope will happen: Jimmy G stays with the Niners until retirement, stays healthy, wins multiple super bowls, and makes the 2021 draft and the #3 pick a forgotten and meaningless snippet in history.

What I fear will happen: The Niners will draft Mac Jones; he'll sit on the bench for a year while Jimmy G plays good enough to trade for a first round draft pick; Jones will compete for the starting job against some UFA promoted from the practice squad, and lose; the 49ers will go 4-9 (on their way to 4-13); Shanahan and Lynch will be fired; and it'll be a decade before we see another playoff berth.

When san Francisco trade up to #3 there is absolutely no way they can not play that qb, and they are getting a qb.  That GM will be insta fired for trading away draft assets to pick up a player ypu aren't going to play.  If Jimmy stays this year its for a maximum of q year tops there is no doubt about that. 

[South Park]

NFL experts of this thread, is there a chance for Jimmy Garoppolo to return to the Patriots and reunite with Bill Belichik? I am quite certain Cam Newton will not be their starting quarterback if they want to play in the playoffs.

I speculate that Jimmy Garoppolo might have a better expectation to be NFL regular season MVP if he plays for the Patriots. 91.82 odds in sportsbet.io, more than 10x than an ICO from 2017 hehehe.

When it comes to the money it makes sense as the 49ers can get out of his contract with a very small hit to their cap, however Jimmy comes from an injury and trading him now will be a bad idea as the offers they will receive are too low.

The best scenario for the 49ers is to pick a QB with the 3rd overall pick and hope they nail it, play Jimmy for the next season and hope he has a good year with no injuries and trade him for a 1st round pick and recover one of the two first they had to give away to move to the 3rd spot.

So I do not see Jimmy going to NE this year and maybe ever as I do not see Belichick trading for him unless he was dirt cheap, most likely the plan Belichick had was for the 49ers to get their QB via trade for a veteran QB, the cap would have forced the 49ers to cut Jimmy and then get him for free, but obviously this did not happened.

[Hueristic]

    What I’ve been told, by a reliable source —- @Patriots are working on a new contract for Jimmy G that could lead to a deal with @49ers. Same source who correctly told me Tom Brady had signed with @Buccaneers. Doesn’t mean it will get done, but they’re working on it.
    — Dale Arnold (@DaleEArnold) April 28, 2021

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/4/28/22408854/49ers-patriots-working-on-potential-trade-for-garoppolo

[bbc.reporter]

It appears the speculation of going back with Bill Belichik is becoming true hehe. I am quite certain the Patriots will not have Cam Netwon as first quarterback if the Patriots want the playoffs. Jimmy is 111.78 to be regular season MVP on sportsbet.io.

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/american-football/usa/nfl/nfl-5ff58bd9e2965ebc9be39fe8

[morvillz7z]

image source: https://twitter.com/FantasyPros/status/1387829547438166019

Draft day, who's excited?  

First two draft picks seem like locks with Lawrence to Jacksonville and Zach Wilson to the Jets, but about the Niners? Trey Lance's name has been trending a lot the last couple of days as the 49ers selection at #3. Not a Falcons fan but interesting to see if they trade down and give up the 4th pick, imagine Pitts with Ridley and Jones.  

I have close to $1k wager on Najee Harris✓ and Patrick Surtain II rip* to be the first drafted RB and CB, so yeah, pray for me! lol
^ Not a huge payout, but i'm confident that both bets will land. I did thorough research on both positions and watched some tape, and i see that Mel Kiper and the rest of the mock draft gurus agree with me and my picks.

[South Park]

    What I’ve been told, by a reliable source —- @Patriots are working on a new contract for Jimmy G that could lead to a deal with @49ers. Same source who correctly told me Tom Brady had signed with @Buccaneers. Doesn’t mean it will get done, but they’re working on it.
    — Dale Arnold (@DaleEArnold) April 28, 2021

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/4/28/22408854/49ers-patriots-working-on-potential-trade-for-garoppolo

I am not against the move but I was kind of getting excited about what we could see today with the Patriots, as we know Belichick has the tendency during the first round to just trade out of it, however with the 15th pick that would have been more difficult while at the same time the pick is not high enough to get the top players so I was hoping to see Belichick moving up, but if the Patriots are really trading for Garoppolo then I doubt the Patriots will move up and maybe Belichick will have to give up that first round pick to get Jimmy back to NE.


And in other news it seems Rodgers is not happy with his situation with the Packers and wants out, we will see if this has an impact during the day as several teams have made inquiries about Rodgers but no trade offers have been made yet.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1387848942432489478

[DireWolfM14]

And in other news it seems Rodgers is not happy with his situation with the Packers and wants out, we will see if this has an impact during the day as several teams have made inquiries about Rodgers but no trade offers have been made yet.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1387848942432489478

There's a lot of talk about the Niners having contacted GB about Aaron Rodgers.  Man, that would be a dream come true, I've been a big fan of Rodgers since his Golden Bears days.  I guess we'll know in about 15 minutes what the 9ers are gonna do.

There's been a lot of talk about Jimmy Garoppolo going away, even some local reports claiming that he's working on restructuring his contract to work with the Patriots.  I'm really on the fence about that news.  He's been really good when healthy.  He's started 30 games, gone 22 and 8, and sat out 20 games due to injuries.  So, we have 60% of a great quarterback.  

[bbc.reporter]

The Denver Broncos also have contacted Greenbay to propose for Aaron Rodgers and the according to the rumor the Broncos will give up 3 first round picks. Greenbay might not agree, however.

@DireWolfM14. His injuries might be why the 49ers will release him. Does Belichick think the Patriots can take care of his health and protect him on the field better than the 49’ers?

[South Park]

And in other news it seems Rodgers is not happy with his situation with the Packers and wants out, we will see if this has an impact during the day as several teams have made inquiries about Rodgers but no trade offers have been made yet.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1387848942432489478

There's a lot of talk about the Niners having contacted GB about Aaron Rodgers.  Man, that would be a dream come true, I've been a big fan of Rodgers since his Golden Bears days.  I guess we'll know in about 15 minutes what the 9ers are gonna do.

There's been a lot of talk about Jimmy Garoppolo going away, even some local reports claiming that he's working on restructuring his contract to work with the Patriots.  I'm really on the fence about that news.  He's been really good when healthy.  He's started 30 games, gone 22 and 8, and sat out 20 games due to injuries.  So, we have 60% of a great quarterback.  

That would have been interesting but the 49ers have selected Lance, lets just hope they got it right this time around, they passed on two HOF QBs on Brady and Rodgers and it seems this draft has the potential to have one or two HOF QBs.

The Falcons got TE Kyle Pitts, this was another of the big questions on the draft, I thought they could select a QB since Ryan is not getting any younger and he is very expensive but it seems they are trying to win now, something difficult to do when they have Brady on their division.

[suchmoon]

Draft day, who's excited?  

I'm very excited about being able to read great reporting here in this thread and not having to follow the draft itself, which seems to be more cringy and boring than a Thursday night game.

[DireWolfM14]

That would have been interesting but the 49ers have selected Lance, lets just hope they got it right this time around, they passed on two HOF QBs on Brady and Rodgers and it seems this draft has the potential to have one or two HOF QBs.

I'm not displeased with that pick.  I was hoping the Jets would take Lance or Fields (I half expected them to,) leaving Wilson on the board, but no such luck.  I like Lance, he seems like a good guy with his head screwed on right.  His film is amazing, and lets hope the lack of a 2020 season didn't hurt any.  Garoppolo and Lance on the roster doesn't make sense for very long, so we'll see what happens in the next couple of days.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade to regain some of those spent draft picks.  Garoppolo's salary isn't guaranteed until the first week of the regular season, so they have some time to make a move.

The Falcons got TE Kyle Pitts, this was another of the big questions on the draft, I thought they could select a QB since Ryan is not getting any younger and he is very expensive but it seems they are trying to win now, something difficult to do when they have Brady on their division.

I think that's a really smart pick for the Falcons.  They've not only got Brady to deal with, but Gronk also.  They needed an upgrade at the position, and they can still win with Ryan.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them take a couple of corners/safeties, and spend a mid to late round pick on a QB.

[South Park]

Chicago traded with NYG, it seems they are going for Fields.

Edit: Confirmed Chicago got Justin Fields, compared to what they paid for Trubisky back then this is fine, lets see if Chicago finally got a QB as it has passed like 6 or 7 decades since they had a good QB.

ChiBitCTy will probably be happy about this.

Edit2: Looking more closely at the trade they still paid a lot to move up(2 firsts, one fourth and one fifth), Matt Naggy wants to keep his job and overpaid because of it, this means Fields will start from day one so he better prepare himself since he is not going to have time to prepare to play on the NFL.

Edit3: Well, Belichick got exactly the player he wanted without having to trade up to get him, Mac Jones will have some time to learn but if Cam begins to play like he did last year then he better be ready to play sooner rather than later, I will say I am relieved, I am not convinced Cam is going to improve much over what we saw last year and the other backup QBs did not play any better so it is nice to have someone there which can at least throw the ball.

[Hueristic]

I wanna know how Bill orchestrated this?

Alabama quarterback Mac Jones was once projected to be the third pick in the NFL draft.

Jones ended up falling to the New England Patriots at 15th overall.

According to Spotrac, his contract fell from $34 million to about $15.5 million in the process.

Man the Pats know how to underpay!

Amusingly San Fran originally was going to pick Jones to replace Garoppolo until the fanbase lost their minds for some reason (if someone can explain this to me i'd appreciate it).

[bbc.reporter]

NFL experts, what team had the best 2021 draft? From first round, I reckon Jacksonville did very good because of their 1st and 25th picks. However, I also read comments from social media that the Bears won the jackpot because of Justin Fields. Others say it the Patriots or 49ers. How can we know who had the best?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/rounds

[South Park]

Amusingly San Fran originally was going to pick Jones to replace Garoppolo until the fanbase lost their minds for some reason (if someone can explain this to me i'd appreciate it).

This happened basically because of the media, immediately after the trade that put the 49ers at the third spot on this draft there was a report they were after Jones, it seems the 49ers from the very beginning were after Lance but they let the rumour take place as it played on their favour, but this created a very negative reaction from the media, but why was that? As we know the media is completely in love with Mahomes and his style of playing, this has died down a little bit after his defeat against Brady but it is still there, so when the media began to compare them Lance always came up favourably and they could not believe the 49ers would select Jones over Lance.

Another factor is that the 49ers are going through the opposite of what the Patriots fans are going through, in our case we have had a pocket passer for a very long time with tremendous success so when we see someone like Cam that can barely throw the football we immediately want to go back to the winning formula which is a pocket passer in our case so we were not against having Garoppolo back or getting Jones, but the experience of the 49ers is the opposite even if Garoppolo has done a good job he has been unable to remain healthy and so they want someone that can move in the pocket like Montana or Young, has a big arm and can extend plays, and Lance is better than Jones on those aspects.

[morvillz7z]

source: https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-expected-to-sign-former-qb-turned-te-tim-tebow-to-one-year-deal

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero reported Monday that the Jacksonville Jaguars plan to sign Tebow to a 1-year contract, per sources informed of the situation.
The deal is expected to be official in the next week or so.

Where would you rank him in your fantasy mock draft, before or after Kelce? 

Now seriously, i thought this was rumors only, a pr stunt or something, but they're actually going to sign him, as a TE...why though???

If Urban Meyer wants him around the team, why can't they just add him as an assistant, staff (or perhaps water boy), this is an insult to all the TEs in the league.