Do you verify every bet as a gambler? Provably Fair Guide.

[Saint-loup]

This is the biggest advantage of a provably fair online game casino, which is for users to verify the outcome of the game and not just suspecting that the casino is fabricating the result for their own good.

I haven't tried to verify a singe game of mine, but with the thread you just made, I think I will do it for my future bets. For most of the people who hardly understand this topic, I advise to study these terms first:

Hash Functions,
Cryptography,
SHA256,
SHA512,
Third Party Hash Applications

I'll rephrase how I understand the verification process:

What you need is to hash the unhashed seed from the server and client, then simply compare the hashes shown by the casino to the thirdparty hashing application.

You don't need to hash the client seed since it's your own. But in order to check the outcome you will have to run the game algorithm with your seed and the deciphered house seed.

[ethereumhunter]

Playing without paying attention on other details is a suicide and it's similar to giving away your money to the strangers .

They play using their own money because they are also expecting for some return but if they don't like to verify their bets then  it's better if they will only use fake money or faucet money to play for fun  .

Sometimes, they use fake money or faucet, but at the other time, they will deposit some money, but not to be used to gamble all day long. They can expect to get the win money, but they also need to win the games will need luck. And if the luck comes, no matter if the site is fair or not, you will win that. We can play without thinking about fairness if our reason for playing gambling is not chasing the money.

[finaleshot2016]

Verifying the bets will give you awareness and idea on the platform you are betting with so as a gambler, you must do things like this to be aware of your bets and secure your earnings.

But most of us don't do this kind of things, they'll just bet and leave the platform without observing how it works because they thought it'll be a waste of time.  

As a gambler, I am having a difficulty in verifying the fairness of every website that I was able to play even if they are giving an instruction on how we will be
able to check the fairness in their platform.

And I am wondering also if the script that they are giving can be altered easily just to cheat the players and they are just displaying the script just to say that they
are fair. And with regards to client and server seed, I am very poor about it even if you are giving a good example to it.

For a reputable gambling website, they won't cheat to their member or they will lose their members if somehow, their members know about that. That gambling site will tell that they are fair enough to their members, and even, they can invite people to try to test their script to know if they are fair or not. I never think about fair or not because I don't play gambling as other people. And for me, as long as I can play without any problem, that will be fair.

How can we say that even a reputable gambling website won't cheat its users? we don't know because the system isn't transparent. So definitely, there are part of this that cheating really occurs sometimes on reputable or non-reputable platforms and we aren't aware of that.

[BuNga_cute]

For me, verify every bet is really troublesome, I'm a gambler who doesn't care about fairness issues on the gambling site.
As long as the gambling sites I use are popular and provide the features and games I want, I don't care about their system
is it provably fair or not.

[Lanatsa]

For me, verify every bet is really troublesome, I'm a gambler who doesn't care about fairness issues on the gambling site.
As long as the gambling sites I use are popular and provide the features and games I want, I don't care about their system
is it provably fair or not.

This is my first time on hearing out someone do tell that they dont care about legitimacy or fairness of the site.lol. Of course we do really care because its just dumb

for you to make deposits if you arent sure if the site you are dealing with is fair.At least even if you do lose then you do know that you have lost in a fair way which wont really give any

some feeling of regret or being angry just because you had been rigged but somehow on the quality and in talks of popularity then a certain site wont really reach that
state if they arent fair in the first place.

There are gamblers who are really keen on checking out.

[travwill]

That’s a lot of numbers to crack for you to know if its fair, and if you are just playing to have fun then you don’t have time to know if its a real fair or not. Someone will work on that, those who gamble seriously should make sure that the site is fair to you and fair on giving details of your games. Probably fair really exist, top gambling site is making sure to be fair to remain a reputable gambling site.

But we are talking about blockchain. One way or another, we can do a check inside the network, and there are special algorithms for this. I have never trusted regular online casinos because their source code is closed and we cannot be sure of anything. But blockchain allows for a different way of looking at these things. Why configure the system in such a way that someone would lose more if initially all factors are arranged in this way. The probability of losing is always slightly less than the probability of winning.

[KTChampions]

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

As you correctly noted, these are one-day projects and they are unlikely to deceive anyone for serious sums - software development, website launch, advertising (even illegal) are expensive compared to the earnings they will have time to get. Therefore, for purely economic reasons, such projects either live very little or do not appear at all.

[FontSeli]

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

As you correctly noted, these are one-day projects and they are unlikely to deceive anyone for serious sums - software development, website launch, advertising (even illegal) are expensive compared to the earnings they will have time to get. Therefore, for purely economic reasons, such projects either live very little or do not appear at all.

Now the fight against scams on our forum is much better than a few years ago. However, this does not stop scammers who launch more and more crypto projects and sites in order to earn as much as possible before they are exposed.
And if I gave them my money, I will be cheated by them. Then they will be called scammers, this will save other people's money, but I will never be able to get my money back.

[spike420211]

For me, verify every bet is really troublesome, I'm a gambler who doesn't care about fairness issues on the gambling site.
As long as the gambling sites I use are popular and provide the features and games I want, I don't care about their system
is it provably fair or not.

Your position is quite clear, I am sure it coincides with the position of the majority.
But you must understand that the need for an honesty check, as a rule, arises if it seems to you that you have been deceived.

It is in this case that such functionality will be extremely useful.
In addition, those platforms on which there is the possibility of verification are much more credible than those on which it is not. This is the quality standard.

[AicecreaME]

Wow, this is a very nice explanation with simple, but detailed terms about how provably fair works.

This would be a beneficial thread especially for the not technically inclined people who wants to understand provably fair's nature.

With this, gamblers would be more wary of their actions when placing their bets so they won't be cheated on. Because like what you said, it's usually the human's tendency to neglect some parts and only consider a few like the starting part and end of the code given to them.

Verifying and making sure of getting the same server hash before placing a bet should definitely be a gambler's duty to notice if there's some kind of anomalies going on so they could report it and make proper actions.

[MFahad]

But isn't the point of the Provably Fair system just to know for sure that everything is fair? As I understand it, any player with average technical knowledge/ability can check the fairness of the game on the history of their bets. I read that there are certain nuances and "loopholes" but in general the system works like this.

I think the gambling place that provides that sentence can be used to make players more sure about the betting system that is being carried out because usually when there is no writing like that the players think that the gambling place is manipulating the game, maybe that's what I know from the gambling place circulating at this time.

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

A simple rule is to stay away from the new casinos and play at the old ones. People play at new casino because they are either attracted by the interface of the new site or they want to gather the promotions and bouns which the new site offers. Remember that a site who want to scam will give you a very attractive promotion offers.

[KTChampions]

A simple rule is to stay away from the new casinos and play at the old ones. People play at new casino because they are either attracted by the interface of the new site or they want to gather the promotions and bouns which the new site offers. Remember that a site who want to scam will give you a very attractive promotion offers.

It seems to me that this is the only reason why players enter a new casino. As you know, all new projects are forced to give bonuses much higher than average in order to attract the public. But at the same time, if the bonus is too high, then it is very suspicious and scares off experienced players. A funny paradox 

[FontSeli]

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

A simple rule is to stay away from the new casinos and play at the old ones. People play at new casino because they are either attracted by the interface of the new site or they want to gather the promotions and bouns which the new site offers. Remember that a site who want to scam will give you a very attractive promotion offers.

All casinos give bonuses, especially to new players. This is how they attract new players and try to make sure that they always play there.
However, players should remember that the size of bonuses is limited by the profit of casinos, which can not give all bonuses at a loss, they also need to earn. Therefore, the size of bonuses must be adequate and can't be much more than in similar casinos.

[Debonaire217]

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

I have encountered some(Of course I didn't entertain them) but I read posts like this, they are promoting these kind of sites and is acting like they are one of the staffs. They goes like this telegram, they will message you and and once you reply, they will promise you a great profits saying that they have control over the outcome of the casino.

Some functionality of the site is working such as the games and deposit. It also seems like you are winning in the games but the problem will come when you try to withdraw your funds, either is not working, or they will ask you to deposit more in order to withdraw.

First of all, in the very start of the conversation, the site is not reputable already because of having these kind of staffs if they really have, in addition, knowing that the staffs have control to the outcome is a complete destruction of the reputation of the games. Not provably fair, and just made to scam people around.

[In the silence]

This was the best explaination about server seed, client seed and nonce ive seen since i was wondering what this means when i was playing long time ago.

What i did then was always changing the server seed every bet, that was my strategy but dont have knowledge how it works. I even create new account just to change my luck then, it gives me a fresh new start. 

[webtricks]

This was the best explaination about server seed, client seed and nonce ive seen since i was wondering what this means when i was playing long time ago.

What i did then was always changing the server seed every bet, that was my strategy but dont have knowledge how it works. I even create new account just to change my luck then, it gives me a fresh new start.  

I'm really glad that you liked it. Within a week, a new and well-detailed article on Provably Fair will be published on BTCgosu.com in which everything will be explained in more details and in completely non-technical language.

It will be complemented with a Provably Fair Tool where user can verify the fairness of 33 casinos at single place.

I will publish the update here as well, once article and tool will be live on btcgosu. Stay tuned!

[Saint-loup]

This was the best explaination about server seed, client seed and nonce ive seen since i was wondering what this means when i was playing long time ago.

What i did then was always changing the server seed every bet, that was my strategy but dont have knowledge how it works. I even create new account just to change my luck then, it gives me a fresh new start.  

I think it's a good strategy to set your own client seed each time, because instead you've to trust the game code and/or your browser randomness... But more importantly, it's funnier 

[Triffin]

But isn't the point of the Provably Fair system just to know for sure that everything is fair? As I understand it, any player with average technical knowledge/ability can check the fairness of the game on the history of their bets. I read that there are certain nuances and "loopholes" but in general the system works like this.

I think the gambling place that provides that sentence can be used to make players more sure about the betting system that is being carried out because usually when there is no writing like that the players think that the gambling place is manipulating the game, maybe that's what I know from the gambling place circulating at this time.

In fact, all these fears of players came to gambling from earlier times when honesty was not controlled by mathematics and evidence, but by regulatory authorities (or no one at all) and, accordingly, there was a huge field for manipulation.

Now sometimes you can also find gaming sites created by scammers. These sites do not exist for long, but they manage to deceive a certain number of people. Therefore, people who have passed through the hands of such scammers will be cautious about other online casinos.

This is really bad but the reality is that in our life there are so many scamming sites that we will have to avoid to stay safe and I think the only way is that we should not open Every website without proper research as many of them are fake. I am feeling bad to say but I also been a victim of this thing so people who check and verify the game before investing stay safe. There are so many resources Search on Google if you feel the site is scam just reported and don’t gamble with them.

[webtricks]

Big Update

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[webtricks]

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