Do you verify every bet as a gambler? Provably Fair Guide.

[TrevorS]

This really gives me an idea on checking every bet I have made. Though I'm just small time player I never check nor verify my bet in a game. But this post makes me now realize there is other else that we can do on checking if the site is offer a provably fair. I never won actually but the site I'm paying is one of the well known online casino.

I suppose you are not the only one. I think the majority here did not think about it before the appearance of this topic, or rather, they thought about it, but no further action occurred.
Now this is already a question of interest, because in fact this is collective interaction at the forum. I will definitely check my next bet.

[bearexin]

Would be nice if there is an online tool that automates the checking of seed hash if it has change while betting because to me, manually copying hash seed in every bet is a bit an hassle it would render my gambling experience unenjoyable. Hope you could also develop a GUI plugin for these kinds of problems and avoid gambling sites exploiting the PF feature.

Actually for me, I just verify bets when I am betting big and other times I just believe the system.
It is the classic case of suppose you have a box of 100 locks and you don't know if all of them are working and smooth so you just randomly pick up 5-10 and then pass the whole box. Similarly you verify a few bets every now and then to make the system is fair.

I have another concern that is how frequently people actually change the client seed? There must be hardly any gamblers who change their seed regularly so yes it is literally not possible to verify all the bets and change seed every time because it would be too much hassle.

[AniviaBtc]

As a small-time roller, I don't verify my every single bet. That seems an unnecessary hassle or a waste of time for me who's just having pure fun rolling the dice for example. But I admit that it is every gambler's responsibility to make sure he is not just gambling but also makes sure that fairness is installed. A random verification would be enough.

Another reason why I don't verify every bet is that I am using sites which have already made a name in this forum. I don't think you can get away from a red tag and criticism in this forum if you are promoting an unfair gambling site.

That's why we are responsible on choosing the best gambling sites where we feel fairness and legitimacy when we access it.

It is your fault when you are victimized by those fraud gambling sites that is so unfair to its customer, and once you lose a huge amount of money, then you can't blame them.

That's the reason why prevention is much better, you should seek information and look for a reputable gambling casino first and don't waste your time to engage in gambling without even looking for a trusted casino. It should've start with us, it should've start on awareness towards choosing a fair gambling site. Don't forget to make a bad reviews once you experienced unfair gambling site so that other people will become aware with that also.

[bitcoinst]

That's why we are responsible on choosing the best gambling sites where we feel fairness and legitimacy when we access it.

It is your fault when you are victimized by those fraud gambling sites that is so unfair to its customer, and once you lose a huge amount of money, then you can't blame them.

That's the reason why prevention is much better, you should seek information and look for a reputable gambling casino first and don't waste your time to engage in gambling without even looking for a trusted casino. It should've start with us, it should've start on awareness towards choosing a fair gambling site. Don't forget to make a bad reviews once you experienced unfair gambling site so that other people will become aware with that also.

Only we are responsible for the events that happen to us. Our action or our inaction leads to what is happening to us now.
If we neglected to search for information about any project and ended up falling for a scam, it is our fault.
We should always be critical of everything, even in cases where we are 100% sure of the correctness of our choice.

[MCobian]

Very useful topic, although the explanation is quite long but it is worth to reading. Because it contains valuable information.
Especially for those of me who don't know how provably fair works, with the explanation in the opening post I get knowledge
how check the fairness. So someone like me can be better at choosing gambling sites to play with, not based on gambling sites
popular and widely used by others. Which is not necessarily fairness.

[maydna]

That's why we are responsible on choosing the best gambling sites where we feel fairness and legitimacy when we access it.

It is your fault when you are victimized by those fraud gambling sites that is so unfair to its customer, and once you lose a huge amount of money, then you can't blame them.

That's the reason why prevention is much better, you should seek information and look for a reputable gambling casino first and don't waste your time to engage in gambling without even looking for a trusted casino. It should've start with us, it should've start on awareness towards choosing a fair gambling site. Don't forget to make a bad reviews once you experienced unfair gambling site so that other people will become aware with that also.

Seeking information is a must before we can start to play gambling. Without research the information, we will not know about the gambling site. But if that person is not having any intention of playing gambling than to enjoy the game and have fun, that will be okay because he will not think about provably fair or not because he doesn't chase the winning. But maybe some people still search for the information to know more about the gambling site, which is good for him, so he doesn't have any doubt about playing on that website.

[Janation]

That is a great topic and I thought most of us already know this since we are always talking about these sites being Provable Fair.

Did some checking on the sites told by the OP, following the instructions and it appears just like the OP said. Either way, this is the site where I first read about this. I don't know if anyone here check this site out but it might be of help for you guys.

[fiulpro]

A very helpful article for all the people who did not know about these things plus I also learned a thing or two from it . Thank you for investing your time in writing this out. I would for sure try and use it . 

Other than that I do think it's important to :

1. Use a super Trusted client
    You can read Google reviews , you can read the reviews on the board , you can even check how genuine the website it , look for scams that might be connected then only you should place a bet on the site.
     There are sites which are dedicated to actually mention the names of the Trusted websites for gambling and remember this one site be better for placing bets on cricket does not mean they will have a wide variety of online games.

2. Always make sure to check the sites which are involved in the signature campaigns and such , most of them are genuine and they start off great and some of them even give start bonus for the new people.
Even provide you with referral benefits , this way you can save up and also sometimes get free bets.

3. I sometimes make sure to check if the website I am using does have a fairness meter or something of that type , since this shows how much those people care about to provide explanation for the people who might be using them.

Some associations are also providing COVID-19 helpline and such in respect to Gambling , kudos to them.


For some small games it's practically impossible for me to sometimes check every bet especially if it's not that significant therefore this time I might try and keep this into account.

Thank you

[BitcoinTurk]

Although I have never believed that any online gambling service is fair, I usually use these types of services for ease of use. Also, although I do not trust these services, they do not provide the necessary controls after any of my games and I am not sure that the bet I have played or the outcome of the game is absolutely correct. Although it is a pain to provide control for each game individually, as a gambler for entertainment purposes, I do not feel the need to provide such controls. Still, I am sure that many of the games we have played are not really honest and we can never be aware of this because we do not control the game result. Here, there were members who proved that some games that some services provided by providing the necessary controls did not give correct results.

[KTChampions]

Although I have never believed that any online gambling service is fair, I usually use these types of services for ease of use. Also, although I do not trust these services, they do not provide the necessary controls after any of my games and I am not sure that the bet I have played or the outcome of the game is absolutely correct. Although it is a pain to provide control for each game individually, as a gambler for entertainment purposes, I do not feel the need to provide such controls. Still, I am sure that many of the games we have played are not really honest and we can never be aware of this because we do not control the game result. Here, there were members who proved that some games that some services provided by providing the necessary controls did not give correct results.

I think that in all the top casinos the games are absolutely fair. If this were not the case, they would be very quickly caught doing it. Everything here is based on mathematics and any fraud is easy to see since everything is recorded and it is very easy for any player to get complete statistics at a distance of thousands and tens of thousands of bets.

[Savemore]

That's why we are responsible on choosing the best gambling sites where we feel fairness and legitimacy when we access it.

It is your fault when you are victimized by those fraud gambling sites that is so unfair to its customer, and once you lose a huge amount of money, then you can't blame them.

That's the reason why prevention is much better, you should seek information and look for a reputable gambling casino first and don't waste your time to engage in gambling without even looking for a trusted casino. It should've start with us, it should've start on awareness towards choosing a fair gambling site. Don't forget to make a bad reviews once you experienced unfair gambling site so that other people will become aware with that also.

Seeking information is a must before we can start to play gambling. Without research the information, we will not know about the gambling site. But if that person is not having any intention of playing gambling than to enjoy the game and have fun, that will be okay because he will not think about provably fair or not because he doesn't chase the winning. But maybe some people still search for the information to know more about the gambling site, which is good for him, so he doesn't have any doubt about playing on that website.

That is why researching is important in order to gather information about its fairness before depositing in specific gambling site. Review of other people are also good source of information about the fairness of a specific gambling site but if it is still not enough then you are the one who should try in order for you to really experience if it is fair or not.

[AjithBtc]

Although I have never believed that any online gambling service is fair, I usually use these types of services for ease of use. Also, although I do not trust these services, they do not provide the necessary controls after any of my games and I am not sure that the bet I have played or the outcome of the game is absolutely correct. Although it is a pain to provide control for each game individually, as a gambler for entertainment purposes, I do not feel the need to provide such controls. Still, I am sure that many of the games we have played are not really honest and we can never be aware of this because we do not control the game result. Here, there were members who proved that some games that some services provided by providing the necessary controls did not give correct results.

I think that in all the top casinos the games are absolutely fair. If this were not the case, they would be very quickly caught doing it. Everything here is based on mathematics and any fraud is easy to see since everything is recorded and it is very easy for any player to get complete statistics at a distance of thousands and tens of thousands of bets.

Maybe in the past people weren't aware about it, as well as doesn't have what's within the phrase "provably fair". Now people are aware and even if something seems to be unfair in the operation soon they raise complaints. This will surely create bad reputation to the casinos. To avoid such situations casinos do legitimate service and through the house edge they make profit.

[mersal]

Although I have never believed that any online gambling service is fair, I usually use these types of services for ease of use. Also, although I do not trust these services, they do not provide the necessary controls after any of my games and I am not sure that the bet I have played or the outcome of the game is absolutely correct. Although it is a pain to provide control for each game individually, as a gambler for entertainment purposes, I do not feel the need to provide such controls. Still, I am sure that many of the games we have played are not really honest and we can never be aware of this because we do not control the game result. Here, there were members who proved that some games that some services provided by providing the necessary controls did not give correct results.

I think that in all the top casinos the games are absolutely fair. If this were not the case, they would be very quickly caught doing it. Everything here is based on mathematics and any fraud is easy to see since everything is recorded and it is very easy for any player to get complete statistics at a distance of thousands and tens of thousands of bets.

If you choose to play on a reputed gambling site then all the results are fair and if you can want then you can verify your random bets to see how their reputation goes. Actually people keep verifying their random bets and expressing their opinion about reputed gambling sites in bitcointalk as well and if there is some issue then you can report it to the site and can get bounty rewards for that.

[Pamadar]

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If you choose to play on a reputed gambling site then all the results are fair and if you can want then you can verify
your random bets to see how their reputation goes.

Reputable sites are mostly concern with their names, knowing that being fair is the main life of their business, they won't let this being ruined.

Actually people keep verifying their random bets and expressing their opinion about reputed gambling sites in bitcointalk as well and if there is some issue then you can report it to the site and can get bounty rewards for that.

That's how this forum able to help those gamblers, this place is a good channel to reached those sites, as they are really concern with their reputations.

[TimeTeller]

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If you choose to play on a reputed gambling site then all the results are fair and if you can want then you can verify
your random bets to see how their reputation goes.

Reputable sites are mostly concern with their names, knowing that being fair is the main life of their business, they won't let this being ruined.

Actually people keep verifying their random bets and expressing their opinion about reputed gambling sites in bitcointalk as well and if there is some issue then you can report it to the site and can get bounty rewards for that.

That's how this forum able to help those gamblers, this place is a good channel to reached those sites, as they are really concern with their reputations.

Very true! A reputable and established casino site will not ruin their image by not exercising the provable fairness.
However, if you are a player, from time to time, it is better to check the fairness randomly, just to make sure their system is always working.
Because if there's a bug in the system, and if the casino is legit, they will be willing to rectify the situation and will not make excuses.
So the sites and other tips here how to check the provable fairness is really helpful in spot checking these casinos.

[robelneo]

Very true! A reputable and established casino site will not ruin their image by not exercising the provable fairness.
However, if you are a player, from time to time, it is better to check the fairness randomly, just to make sure their system is always working.
Because if there's a bug in the system, and if the casino is legit, they will be willing to rectify the situation and will not make excuses.
So the sites and other tips here how to check the provable fairness is really helpful in spot checking these casinos.

There was a thread similar about this about one gambler who find out that he is playing in a gambling site that shows different algo hash, but it was already rectified by the admin of that gambling site, so it's better that you checked before you play the game, it's to protect your funds and to also validate the integrity of the gambling site that you are playing.

[Beparanf]

That is a great topic and I thought most of us already know this since we are always talking about these sites being Provable Fair.

Did some checking on the sites told by the OP, following the instructions and it appears just like the OP said. Either way, this is the site where I first read about this. I don't know if anyone here check this site out but it might be of help for you guys.

OP's effort in explaining how it works is very nice even it's too long, he explained the process and what and whys of doing it. You're reference will also be helpful to those who are lazy in readi g at the same wanted a list of casino's who offering the provably fair in their games, might bookmark it for future reference since their list is still few and they might add more in the future.

[KrisAlex18]

This really gives me an idea on checking every bet I have made. Though I'm just small time player I never check nor verify my bet in a game. But this post makes me now realize there is other else that we can do on checking if the site is offer a provably fair. I never won actually but the site I'm paying is one of the well known online casino.

I suppose you are not the only one. I think the majority here did not think about it before the appearance of this topic, or rather, they thought about it, but no further action occurred.
Now this is already a question of interest, because in fact this is collective interaction at the forum. I will definitely check my next bet.

Indeed. Many of us are surprised reading this fresh information for those who still do not know about this. It was really an interesting topic and at the same time a new knowledge worthy to be known by many people most specially those who are just doing bets but did not even care to check just because they are random bettors that play frequently and at small time bets. Actually upon reading this one, I come into realization that if ever I would try to do some bets again, I would try to check the Provably Fair script of the site I am currently using although it is known already to be popular and reputable. I just want to check the new information and knowledge I have learned from this thread since I am also a small bettor that is not verifying or checking my bets once I have done betting for I just play with small amount of bets. But with this thing, I have realized to make it a try to check it out.

This is really fascinating how this forum becomes helpful to each and every one to see information like this that is new for many and this was really an interesting knowledge to be known.

[Stedsm]

I've known to checking each of our manual bets that we place on a dice site, but still not aware of checking the fairness of autobet rolls. Let's take an example of duckdice, if I play through their autobet feature and use flash in it, I won't be able to check each and every dice bet that it places. And I mostly lose on those flash bets, does it mean that the site is rigged? But what about the fact that I win sometimes when I manually play there?

[Janation]

That is a great topic and I thought most of us already know this since we are always talking about these sites being Provable Fair.

Did some checking on the sites told by the OP, following the instructions and it appears just like the OP said. Either way, this is the site where I first read about this. I don't know if anyone here check this site out but it might be of help for you guys.

OP's effort in explaining how it works is very nice even it's too long, he explained the process and what and whys of doing it. You're reference will also be helpful to those who are lazy in readi g at the same wanted a list of casino's who offering the provably fair in their games, might bookmark it for future reference since their list is still few and they might add more in the future.

I just google searched this in the past and I don't know if they are still updating this site for the people.

I checked this last year and I don't know if they are still active or not, I just bookmarked it since I might need it again. All I know is that at the time I needed these sites to check they show it to me. Maybe you could contact them since I don't bet that much in these sites nowadays.