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Minor suggestion, @Rikafip: Would you mind use width option inside the img brackets to make smaller images visually, please. It takes me for a while to scroll the mouse from top to bottom of one page. I see a sudden pump of merit per post ratio from 0.07 to 0.53. Your charts only confirm my findings
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December 08, 2020, 07:49:23 AM Last edit: December 08, 2020, 08:03:06 AM by Rikafip |
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Minor suggestion, @Rikafip:
Would you mind use width option inside the img brackets to make smaller images visually, please. It takes me for a while to scroll the mouse from top to bottom of one page.
Usually I set the width at 800, but for this one I made a mistake and set it at 900, and now it's back to the old value, thanks for pointing that out. I don't want to decrease it further though as due chart orientation it won't make a huge difference even if I decrease it further 30 %, it will just make it less readable. And to be honest, I quite like it how it looks at the moment I see a sudden pump of merit per post ratio from 0.07 to 0.53. Your charts only confirm my findings I guess you are referring to Nigerian topic? Yeah that ratio can vary a lot on those boards with low post count. One very good post with a lot of merit received and ratio gets inflated. Then again some other local boards ratio is decreasing constantly.
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December 08, 2020, 08:04:31 AM Last edit: December 08, 2020, 08:14:39 AM by tranthidung |
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Usually I set the width at 800, but for this one I made a mistake and set it at 900, and now it's back to the old value, thanks for pointing that out. I don't want to decrease it further though as due chart orientation it won't make a huge difference even if I decrease it further 30 %, it will just make it less readable. And to be honest, I quite like it how it looks at the moment No problem, a minor suggestion as said initially. I know it also depends on personal style or favorite. Move on. I guess you refer to Nigerian topic? Yeah that ratio can vary a lot on those boards with low post count. One very good post with a lot of merit received and ratio gets inflated. Then again some other local boards ratio is decreasing constantly.
I know of the effect from sample size (this case, total posts) and your chart shows an overview only and without other factors, your chart can disclose something accurately or does not make any sense because biases from non-inclusive factors. Factors can be: - Percent of extremely helpful posts per shit posts. If the percentage is high, the total earned merits can be biased
- Percent of merited posts per total posts. If most of posts received merit, shit happens. You don't have it in your analyses, feel free to take my idea for your next updates.
- Maybe other things, just a sneak peek.
Example: A local topic received 100 merits in a specific month but OP receive 80 or 90 merits and total posts in one month is 100. It means 80-90% of earned merit centralized in OP, and most of the 99 rest posts are mostly shit posts. Just a likelihood if look at raw statistics. "Garbage in, garbage out" so to have good data interpretation, must have good data inputs and good variable definitions.
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December 08, 2020, 09:31:38 AM Last edit: December 08, 2020, 09:48:28 AM by Rikafip |
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I know of the effect from sample size (this case, total posts) and your chart shows an overview only and without other factors, your chart can disclose something accurately or does not make any sense because biases from non-inclusive factors.
This overview doesn't go in depth and honestly I don't even want to. And even if I wanted to, I am not an expert in the matter. I just wanted to share few basic info regarding each local board and put it in some easily understandable chart, hence the word "brief" in the title. If I really go in depth I think that people would loose all interest for it (assuming that there is some interest for this kind of approach), and if they want to check it a little bit more thorough, they can always use Merit Dashboard. Example: A local topic received 100 merits in a specific month but OP receive 80 or 90 merits and total posts in one month is 100. It means 80-90% of earned merit centralized in OP, and most of the 99 rest posts are mostly shit posts.
True, merit shared and merit ratio doesn't give clear picture of local board quality. In the end, only those that speak the language and are active there can know that. But to try to give a little bit more info how merit is spread and how many people are part of merit system, I started making that merit senders/receivers chart. That one also shouldn't be taken too seriously either, but it does show some stuff. For example, it's obvious that merit shared is very decentralized in Pilipinas board.
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January 04, 2021, 09:25:31 AM Last edit: January 04, 2021, 04:08:42 PM by Rikafip Merited by cabalism13 (6), DdmrDdmr (4), fillippone (3), hugeblack (2), babo (1), TryNinja (1), bitmover (1), Bthd (1), masulum (1), yhiaali3 (1), big_daddy (1), Csmiami (1) |
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As always, new month means new overview of the local boards activity, this time for the month of December 2020. Like in all previous overviews, data was taken from @DdmrDdmr Merit Dashboard which I suggest you check if you want more in depth overview of your own local board. For the overview of most active users per local board during 2020, I used another great tool, @TryNinja ninjastic.space. I wholeheartedly suggest you check that one too, if you haven't already. Post activity per local board during December 2020Once again Turkish local board has been the most active one, so last month wasn't just an exception, followed by Russian and German local boards. From what I could see, main reason why Russian board is not dominantly at the top like in all those previous months is due significant decrease in Russian altcoin section activity. Majority of other local boards are keeping decent activity, but it is worth to mention that some of the numbers might be misleading due big amount of moved/deleted posts across several local boards, so they might appear less active than they actually were. To be honest, I expected local boards to be even more active than in previous months due bull market, but I guess effects still haven't kicked in fully. Merit shared per local board during December 2020Once again there is a change at the top, German board having one of the best months since I am making these overviews, followed closely by Russian local board, with Turkish and Italian ranked 3rd and 4th. It's also nice to see two communities without local board (Bangladesh and Pakistan) having decent merit activity considering total lack (AFAIK) of merit sources that are active in their thread. Merit senders/receivers per local board during November 2020Pretty straightforward chart in which more merit shared usually means more members involved, with a few standard exceptions. Merit/Post ratio per local board during December 2020Due high amount of deleted/moved posts in various boards which would affect this chart a lot, I decided to make an exception this month and beside monthly merit/post ratio to include ratio in the last 12 months, to give somewhat clearer picture of the situation. Several boards lack either December or 12 months merit/post ratio, and that is due negative post count during last month or due lack of data for previous months. One exception here is Romanian board which would have more than 11 merit/post ratio during December due many deleted posts which would completely mess up this chart so I decided to exclude their monthly data and share only 12 months value. As always, please don't read too much into this chart as it can be misleading, including 12 months values.
The most active members during 2020 per local boardSo far in all these overviews I never mentioned the members that are keeping their local boards alive and active, but since it's a new year I decided to make an exception and mention the most active members in each local board. Due obvious reasons I can't mention each and every member that was active in local board, so I narrowed it down to ten most active ones, including their post count. I've decided to exclude few dead boards like Hebrew and Skandinavsk from this list.
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January 04, 2021, 09:28:10 AM Merited by fillippone (1) |
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i love graph and statistics thank you very much for this resume TL;DR; of dmrdmr tools obviously I got here thanks to the tryninja tool that notified me that you mentioned me a bit thanks to tryninja too have a nice day
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January 04, 2021, 09:31:02 AM |
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Support your local 💪🏻 Thank you for this detailed recap!
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If you don't believe it or don't get it, I don't have the time to try to convince you, sorry.
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January 04, 2021, 09:50:59 AM |
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I do believe local boards are of utter importance for allowing new users to bitcoin, without the language barrier that can beca too harsh obstacle for many approaching an already difficult subject as bitcoin. Thank you for your work @rikafip. I will embed your thread in my monthly survey of the Italian board: [Meta] Andamento sezione italianaAlso, I remember everyone I strongly support local boards with my initiative: Help me translate my best posts in your Local Board
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January 04, 2021, 10:30:27 AM |
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To be fair with the Romanians, the Spanish local december merit/post should have also been excluded; someone decided to do some reporting in the altcoin boards and ended up getting more than 200 posts deleted, so that does screw the data a bit too much. Still it's great to see how things develop on local boards. I'm a bit surprised to see one of our top posters is a spammer service that only post "updates" in their ANN, but since they aren't breaking any rule... On top of what fillippone said, considering how important local boards are, I shall remind everyone that there's a request to improve the SEO positioning of said boards, as their current position is bit lame (2nd/3rd page on google): search engine optimization for local boards
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I do believe local boards are of utter importance for allowing new users to bitcoin, without the language barrier that can beca too harsh obstacle for many approaching an already difficult subject as bitcoin.
I am with you 100% on this and that was the main reason I started doing these overviews. If we want bitcoin to spread evenly all over the world, it's not enough to just offer content in English, as there are many countries where there is a real need for crypto (e.g countries where people have issues opening something as basic as bank acoount) and what's the best way to understand Bitcoin and everything around it than talking about it in your native language. Anyway, i am glad to hear that others find these charts useful and that I am not making these just for my own sake (even though I wouldn't mind as I am genuinely interested in all this). To be fair with the Romanians, the Spanish local december merit/post should have also been excluded; someone decided to do some reporting in the altcoin boards and ended up getting more than 200 posts deleted, so that does screw the data a bit too much. Still it's great to see how things develop on local boards.
That happens quite often on other boards too, and if I am to exclude all boards where that happens, there wouldn't be many boards left. For example, my local board (Croatian) ratio is realistically at least half of what it says on the chart due us getting few new child boards and topics being moved around that sometimes messes up the post count. Romanian board is a bit specific case as it is different to have ratio 11+ and 1.5. That's why I always mention that those numbers shouldn't be taken too seriously and I included 12 month ratio too, to compensate that a bit. In the end, only those that are active in some board know the real story.
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January 04, 2021, 11:51:18 AM Last edit: May 16, 2023, 12:42:51 AM by fillippone |
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Since I am here, on my meta post apart from the spikes in the Romanian and Spanish boards, I also noticed what I called the “Indonesian Drama”. The Indonesian board was a prominent force amongst the local boards, then all of a sudden they stopped. You can notice checking your last post against the OP, or even looking at this graph: [Received Merits Subsection I] Does someone have a good explain action for this? Why posts and merits got reduced so much on that board?
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Nice local boards statistics and it would be interesting to see percentage change from previous months because I see some big movements. Bitcoin price change affected some boards more than others and I expected to see different result for Croatian local board. Turkish local board is having over 2000 posts more every month... whats up with that?
October 4297 November 6089 December 8061 January ?
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January 04, 2021, 12:28:11 PM |
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Since I am here, on my meta post apart from the spikes in the Romanian and Spanish boards, I also noticed what I called the “Indonesian Drama”. The Indonesian board was a prominent force amongst the local boards, then all of a sudden they stopped. Does someone have a good explain action for this? Why posts and merits got reduced so much on that board?
That is a good question indeed and hopefully someone from Indonesian board can shed some light on the issue. Similar thing is happening with Pilipinas board, another one that used to be very active, both post and merit wise. Regarding Indonesian board post activity, from what I can see on the Merit Dashboard it was heavily dependent on Altcoin section, where big majority of posts were written. With the decline of altcoin market (probably bounties too) their numbers went down. I might be completely wrong though as that's just my guess. Nice local boards statistics and it would be interesting to see percentage change from previous months because I see some big movements. Bitcoin price change affected some boards more than others and I expected to see different result for Croatian local board.
I was thinking about including that long time ago, but somehow I never went with that. Might include it in the next overview, thanks for reminding me. About numbers of our local board, real ones are much higher, but as I mentioned those new boards messed up the count somehow. Turkish local board is having over 2000 posts more every month... whats up with that?
It is true that Turkish board is experiencing big increase month after month, but then again that's not such a big surprise when you check their post activity in some previous periods when they were even higher. Those big boards have a lot of room for growth, compared to smaller ones.
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January 04, 2021, 12:38:36 PM |
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The additions you’ve made this month to the provided information are nice, and make sense to mitigate the merit/post ratio, which is subject to heavy drifts often due to post deletion. The information on most active users per board is smashing, and provides a nice overview on who posts there with more weight (in terms of number of posts). I discovered a profile on the Spanish local board list whom I’ve never encountered before, but that’s because the posts are Ann/bounty related. It’s worth mentioning here what we discussed the other day regarding the number of posts. I derive the information on the Merit Dashboard by simply compiling and substracting the values shown in the forum’s stats (manual work, that could render the odd data value error once in a while). That means that I’m considering net posts (as opposed to created posts), where "net" means something like: Net posts: created - deleted – moved +/- reindex adjustments Using the above, all deleted spam is not accounted for in the post count nor derive ratios (nor should they). For example, we made it roughly over 800 deleted posts in the Spanish Local board last month, that were largely part of the bot wars on Bitcointalk posts (links, backlinks, etc.). These do not show in any of the indicators on the Merit Dashboard.
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The information on most active users per board is smashing, and provides a nice overview on who posts there with more weight (in terms of number of posts). I discovered a profile on the Spanish local board list whom I’ve never encountered before, but that’s because the posts are Ann/bounty related. That's one of the things I might keep in the future monthly overviews, but will think about it as I don't want to share too much info in order to keep it "brief" as mentioned in the title and not bore people and divert them from this overview. But there is so much interesting info so it's getting kinda hard not to include some of those. Using the above, all deleted spam is not accounted for in the post count nor derive ratios (nor should they). For example, we made it roughly over 800 deleted posts in the Spanish Local board last month, that were largely part of the bot wars on Bitcointalk posts (links, backlinks, etc.). These do not show in any of the indicators on the Merit Dashboard.
True, that's why in the end I went with data provided by your Merit Dashboard. Regarding most active members lists, some smaller local boards even have nuked accounts with now 0 posts among most active members during 2020, so I had to check them manually. And all those posts are counted by ninjastic.space towards total board activity, inlating the numbers.
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January 08, 2021, 07:23:44 AM |
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...chart...
A bit off, but can you also do something about the Rep and Gabling Discussion Board? On whose the Top 10 Posters there? Just curious 🤔 ...
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January 08, 2021, 08:20:13 AM Merited by cabalism13 (3) |
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...chart...
A bit off, but can you also do something about the Rep and Gabling Discussion Board? On whose the Top 10 Posters there? Just curious 🤔 ... Sure, here are the top 10 Reputation board posters during 2020 1. suchmoon [996] 2. LoyceV [788] 3. Timelord2067 [603] 4. Vod [557] 5. TECSHARE [498] 6. Lauda [482] 7. marlboroza [482] 8. JollyGood [433] 9. YOSHIE [382] 10. nullius [333] And top 10 in Gambling Discussion Board during same period 1. Vishnu.Reang [1530] 2. coinlocket$ [1520] 3. JSRAW [1203] 4. swogerino [1203] 5. snipie [1122] 6. buwaytress [1086] 7. tokeweed [1083] 8. maydna [1077] 9. Reid [1071] 10. Trofo [1069]
So I don't go more offtopic, you can also check it by yourself for any other board very easy via Ninjastic.space, an excellent tool made by @TryNinja as that's the one I used for those lists as well. Just click on "Posts" tab in the top left corner and choose the board you want the see and set the time frame.
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February 05, 2021, 02:44:23 PM |
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January is behind us, time for another monthly overview of local boards activity. In order to make these charts, data was taken from @DdmrDdmr Merit Dashboard. This is just a brief overview but if you want to check your local board in more details, I suggest that you check that tool. Post activity per local board during January 2021Top of the chart remained pretty much the same like in last few months, with Turkish board once again at the top followed by Russian and German. Due high amount of deleted posts last month we miss French board on this chart, which is usually among top 4-5 most active boards. It is nice to see once very active boards (Pilipinas and Indonesian) slowly recovering, hopefully this month wasn't an exception and they continue this trend. Two most active communities without local boards (Pakistan and Bangladesh) had decreased actvitiy which is a not a good thing if they want to get their own local boards. eventually.
Merit shared per local board during January 2021
Compared to previous month, amount of merit shared across local boards remained pretty much the same (5230 merit shared during January, down from 5360). Like in previous chart, names at the top remained the same, but this time Russian is at the top while German dropped to 2nd place due ~25% decrease of the merit shared. Two active local boards had big incrase in merit shared; French with 545 merits shared which is 70% increase compared to previous month and Indonesian board with 275% increase, going from only 50 merits shared during December 2020 to 187 last month. Opposite to that, communities without local board (except Serbian) had merit decrease. Afaik they don't have their own merit sources so it's hard for them to remain at similar merit amounts each month and will fluctuate a lot. Merit senders/receivers per local board during January 2021With a few standard exceptions, this chart generally follows the amount of merit shared which makes sense. Merit/Post ratio per local board for Januray 2020Like Romanian board last month, this time Dutch board sticks out when it comes to merit/post ratio. Generally, boards with low post count are easily affected and ratio can vary a lot, giving wrong impressions and to somewhat alleviate that, I've decided to keep 12 month ratio metric. As usual, Arabic and Italian board are high on the chart, and same thing can be said about the bottom. Just a reminder not to take merit.post ratio chart too seriosuly as even 12 month ratio can paint wrong picture due deleted posts, let alone monthly ratio. The most active members during January 2021 per local boardThis list is made thanks to @TryNinja and his https://ninjastic.space/Even though I planned to make make this list once a-per year, I've decided to keep it and publish it on the monthly basis with rest of the charts. I've excluded dead boards like Korean, Japanese, Hebrew etc as their activity is so low that probably there wouldn't be more than 1-2 names on the list as it's full of nuked spammers. If you notice nuked user among those names (that can happen in less active boards) please let me know and it will be sorted. I looked for those when making the lists but some might have slipped through.
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February 05, 2021, 03:40:38 PM |
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Due high amount of deleted posts last month we miss French board on this chart, which is usually among top 4-5 most active boards.
Indeed, due to security concerns (among others) following Ledger's hack, an old french Legendary member decided to delete all his posts. It breaks your stats a bit but it shouldn't happen too often (I hope).
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February 05, 2021, 03:55:46 PM |
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Sad to see that activity in Bangladesh local thread has decreased significantly. It's possible that due to the recent scandal on "A guy get caught for using bitcoin" (actually he is involved with hacking activities), activity has been decreased as bitcoin users in our local are in more fear. This is just my speculation. Moreover, with the pump of BTC, some people may had a huge profit and enjoying the pump
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