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August 04, 2020, 09:01:13 AM
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It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.
That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.
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August 04, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
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It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.
That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

It is based on experience they will know the possible move of other players since they have many matches play already. In first look its really hard to do this mostly those with timer of only 15 seconds per move . We never how long they play and train there self to be qualify  in tournaments.

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August 04, 2020, 09:50:13 AM
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I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.


Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).



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August 04, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
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It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.
That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.
It's a mind game and players should always be in advanced thinking before committing a move. In my observation of the players that I've met personally, they have already a strategy that they have on their minds and which piece to move. They don't think that much as long as they will follow the plan and will counter if the move is countered by the opponent. I admit that these mind games, isn't for everyone but getting into crypto this sounds fun and interesting.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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August 04, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
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I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.


Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).
This because chess game is really a broad game when it comes to strategic move and defenses. It is really hard to outsmart pro players so everygame is a tough game. It is just one have to do analyzation on the opponnents favorite move and how can one avoid it. Making it online makes.it easier.to.analyze the opponents move in the videos that could be replay again.

So I am positive that chess game could be able to be added in the esports games with geniuses players around the world.
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August 04, 2020, 12:35:31 PM
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I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.


Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).
This because chess game is really a broad game when it comes to strategic move and defenses. It is really hard to outsmart pro players so everygame is a tough game. It is just one have to do analyzation on the opponnents favorite move and how can one avoid it. Making it online makes.it easier.to.analyze the opponents move in the videos that could be replay again.

So I am positive that chess game could be able to be added in the esports games with geniuses players around the world.
The pro players are a different league.

I played a simultan game against Yasser Seirawan (Champion of the USA 1986) . Even he used a fraction of the time I use I didn't had any chance.



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August 04, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
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I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.


Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).
This because chess game is really a broad game when it comes to strategic move and defenses. It is really hard to outsmart pro players so everygame is a tough game. It is just one have to do analyzation on the opponnents favorite move and how can one avoid it. Making it online makes.it easier.to.analyze the opponents move in the videos that could be replay again.

So I am positive that chess game could be able to be added in the esports games with geniuses players around the world.


The video part is interesting. I guess an alternative to that in physical chess game would be to attend most of your favorite player/players games and observe his methods from start to finish,and possibly record him playing, if that is allowed.
I suspect some have tricks they would never reveal to anyone Smiley
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I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.


Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).
This because chess game is really a broad game when it comes to strategic move and defenses. It is really hard to outsmart pro players so everygame is a tough game. It is just one have to do analyzation on the opponnents favorite move and how can one avoid it. Making it online makes.it easier.to.analyze the opponents move in the videos that could be replay again.

So I am positive that chess game could be able to be added in the esports games with geniuses players around the world.


The video part is interesting. I guess an alternative to that in physical chess game would be to attend most of your favorite player/players games and observe his methods from start to finish,and possibly record him playing, if that is allowed.
I suspect some have tricks they would never reveal to anyone Smiley
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August 04, 2020, 03:19:41 PM
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Chess is truly a great sport, it is not only fun but gives room for the human mind to work at its best and develop. However, if it will be featured in a casino betting, I think only people who are really fond of watching and playing chess will be enthusiastic about it. And the popularity of chess globally is not as intense as the other sports. Although, I do not want to be negative about it but who knows, it might be bigger than what I can see.
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August 04, 2020, 03:46:42 PM
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Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a  regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.
True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.
One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

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Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a  regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.
True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.
One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

Well that rules is for any type of chess, also for the long games.

The strangest thing is that you can watch 15 min for a move and when you touch that piece you see in a split second that's a blunder it something like that.



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Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a  regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.
True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.
One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

Well that rules is for any type of chess, also for the long games.

The strangest thing is that you can watch 15 min for a move and when you touch that piece you see in a split second that's a blunder it something like that.
True but that kind of blunder is way more common in a blitz game because you have way less time to think about your movements and for the most part you are acting on reflex, so if your opponent was cunning enough to set up a trap in a position that seems to be harmless then it is way more likely that you are going to fall into that trap, while in a normal game you can decide to take all the time in the world to analyze a position that is complex especially if you think this movement is critical, something that is impossible to do in a blitz game.

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 #213

Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a  regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.
True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.
One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

Well that rules is for any type of chess, also for the long games.

The strangest thing is that you can watch 15 min for a move and when you touch that piece you see in a split second that's a blunder it something like that.
True but that kind of blunder is way more common in a blitz game because you have way less time to think about your movements and for the most part you are acting on reflex, so if your opponent was cunning enough to set up a trap in a position that seems to be harmless then it is way more likely that you are going to fall into that trap, while in a normal game you can decide to take all the time in the world to analyze a position that is complex especially if you think this movement is critical, something that is impossible to do in a blitz game.
Blitz game will definitely silence the game as people are focus on the fast-phase game and requires fast thinking to avoid blunder. If you're mind is on the bad mood, definitely you will lose the game. It requires a lot of mental training for you to be a blitz game master. Traps and decoy are usually common on this type of chess, you will definitely fall without even noticing until the end of the game.

So I guess that this type of chess game will mostly be liked by some of the bettors for its fast-phased feature.
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August 07, 2020, 07:59:46 PM
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Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a  regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.
True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.
One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

Well that rules is for any type of chess, also for the long games.

The strangest thing is that you can watch 15 min for a move and when you touch that piece you see in a split second that's a blunder it something like that.
True but that kind of blunder is way more common in a blitz game because you have way less time to think about your movements and for the most part you are acting on reflex, so if your opponent was cunning enough to set up a trap in a position that seems to be harmless then it is way more likely that you are going to fall into that trap, while in a normal game you can decide to take all the time in the world to analyze a position that is complex especially if you think this movement is critical, something that is impossible to do in a blitz game.
Blitz game will definitely silence the game as people are focus on the fast-phase game and requires fast thinking to avoid blunder. If you're mind is on the bad mood, definitely you will lose the game. It requires a lot of mental training for you to be a blitz game master. Traps and decoy are usually common on this type of chess, you will definitely fall without even noticing until the end of the game.

So I guess that this type of chess game will mostly be liked by some of the bettors for its fast-phased feature.

My tactic for blitz is just build up a big attack at the kings side and go full for the attack. Attacking is way more easy then defending well. So in blitz you better stand at the attacking side ;-)

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August 07, 2020, 09:28:22 PM
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My tactic for blitz is just build up a big attack at the kings side and go full for the attack. Attacking is way more easy then defending well. So in blitz you better stand at the attacking side ;-)

I often using the same tactic, but my weak spot is that many times i can't defend myself and see enemies moves because i'm busy of making my plan. So sometimes i get very unpleasant check mates  Undecided

But it's weird, that for example i'm playing a little worse (because of the weak spot described above) than a friend of mine, but faster. There was too many matches when i've won because he was out of time  Smiley


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August 08, 2020, 11:57:51 PM
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My tactic for blitz is just build up a big attack at the kings side and go full for the attack. Attacking is way more easy then defending well. So in blitz you better stand at the attacking side ;-)

I often using the same tactic, but my weak spot is that many times i can't defend myself and see enemies moves because i'm busy of making my plan. So sometimes i get very unpleasant check mates  Undecided

But it's weird, that for example i'm playing a little worse (because of the weak spot described above) than a friend of mine, but faster. There was too many matches when i've won because he was out of time  Smiley


I try to play against the system and winning will be very low. I do this to learn something out of it. As the system is developed with specific moves to be done based on the moves from the opponent it'll give better playing skills. Same as that of the live Casino available with few gambling sites, live Chess might attract good number of gamblers as chess is more of a skill based game than the luck.

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August 09, 2020, 05:51:47 AM
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Anything can happen but all the decisions will be coming from the casino owners because most of the casino owners will think ahead before adding a certain sports
to their platform.

Casino owners will likely to add chess in their gambling platform if they can see that they can profit from that game but if they can see that the chances to profit
from that game is very slim then they will not put too much effort in adding that game to their platform. But who knows, if one casino will try to add it and it
will become popular then other casinos will surely to follow.
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August 09, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
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Anything can happen but all the decisions will be coming from the casino owners because most of the casino owners will think ahead before adding a certain sports
to their platform.

Casino owners will likely to add chess in their gambling platform if they can see that they can profit from that game but if they can see that the chances to profit
from that game is very slim then they will not put too much effort in adding that game to their platform. But who knows, if one casino will try to add it and it
will become popular then other casinos will surely to follow.

I don't see it happen that a casino add chess. With chess it's way too easy to cheat with third party software like chess engines. To prevent that the casinos should use algorithms to detect frauds like chess.com already does.



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Anything can happen but all the decisions will be coming from the casino owners because most of the casino owners will think ahead before adding a certain sports
to their platform.

Casino owners will likely to add chess in their gambling platform if they can see that they can profit from that game but if they can see that the chances to profit
from that game is very slim then they will not put too much effort in adding that game to their platform. But who knows, if one casino will try to add it and it
will become popular then other casinos will surely to follow.

if they can also add tournament adding that games it will also help to attract more chess games to use their platform to play.

The demand is not enough  I think that's why there are no plan for gambling casino to add it. it is important in any gambling casino to have potential users since the chance of have many players is thin and i don't see if they will make that one as one of their priority

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August 09, 2020, 02:21:23 PM
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Anything can happen but all the decisions will be coming from the casino owners because most of the casino owners will think ahead before adding a certain sports
to their platform.

Casino owners will likely to add chess in their gambling platform if they can see that they can profit from that game but if they can see that the chances to profit
from that game is very slim then they will not put too much effort in adding that game to their platform. But who knows, if one casino will try to add it and it
will become popular then other casinos will surely to follow.

if they can also add tournament adding that games it will also help to attract more chess games to use their platform to play.

The demand is not enough  I think that's why there are no plan for gambling casino to add it it is important in any gambling casino to have potential users since the chance of have many players is thin I don't see they will make as one of their priority

I agree, it's a good idea to associate chess on online casinos. Even though it looks like there is only small market for this game, it could still gain much bigger market as it gain more time being in the casinos available to play. They could also use add chess on betting games.
We'll I think it's not bad for casinos to try it.   Undecided
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