LFC_bitcoin sending PMs to his friends to oppose flag and bribing DT inclusion

[Side chain]

- all DT opposition is receiving payment from SB. I'm not saying, receiving SP doesn't allow you to have an opinion, but 100% is alarming.

If we're talking about the flag - that's not true, unless you know something I don't. rdbase has a bustadice signature and El duderino_ doesn't have a paid signature.

May be because of my alt account you are not taking my posts in account and missing information. I hope I posted it from my main account but sorry I have my reasons to have this alt account anonymous.

> rdbase is a heavy shill of sportsbet.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208617.0, Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin most possibly received a PM to oppose the flag
> El duderino_ is very close Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin opposed the flag right after receiving the PM from his friend.
>There is another one who supported but then removed the flag. He is also very close friend to LFC_Bitcoin. Proof will be given if necessary.

In Wall Observer LFC_Bitcoin, El duderino_ are very close friends. Here you will find the other guy - BitcoinGirl, in the post he confessed that he received PM and the edited post (cut off part) clearly had LFC_bitcoin asking to oppose the flag. efialtis has screenshot available.

Look up post history of rdbase and see some of his posts. LFC_bitcoin knows he is a benefit seeker from sportsbet.io. See the thread he manages for sportsbet.io although they do not pay him. Plus rdbase is also fairly close to LFC_bitcoin in Wall Observer.

So El duderino_ does not have a paid signature but good guy can not deny the request from his friend.
rdbase saw an opportunity to gain some trust and accepted the bait from LFC_bitcoin and it worked. https://bpip.org/TrustLog
The other guy possibly could not connected his reasonings with LFC_bitcoin although they are good friends so he wanted to stay neutral but made the mistake of mentioning his friends in his innocent post.

DireWolfM14 may have some sense of humor but possibly he is sold because of the weekly payment he receives from SB so he really needed to save his ass by opposing the flag. Plus, this is very much possible that LFC_bitcoin sent him PM to support sportsbet.io

The rest other guys are clearly no way weight any value, they are fake users and not bringing any value to the forum except milking from signature campaign of sportsbet.io and bitcasino (both are same company), check their post history if you do not believe me. It was not very hard for LFC_bitcoin to convince them to oppose the flag by the PM he sent to them.

Ask LFC_bitcoin about how many PMs he sent to oppose the flag although I doubt he will tell you the truth.

I would have had no problem in supporting a type 2 flag.

May be the victim guy made mistake by creating type 3. One could suggest him to create flag 2. This way we do not see members are arguing with the wording of a flag instead of supporting or opposing it. First time I saw a clear mention of correct flag type.

I edited the thread title to LFC_bitcoin sending PMs to his friends to oppose flag and bribing DT inclusion
The bribing is a very silent work he is doing. Oppose the flag, the user finds his inclusion, speaks against sportsbet.io case, the user finds his distrust.
He also send a counter positive feedback which he deleted later to support his sportsbet.io employers.

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LFC_Bitcoin is manipulating others with his PMs and DT position. Is this only for 0.018 BTC a week?

I would like Suchmoon, LoyceV, Lauda, Jollygood, hilariousandco, The Pharmacist, Avirunes, owlcatz, Lutpin, TheUltraElite, Hhampuz,  teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, YOSHIE, Yahoo, Little Mouse, Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS, big_daddy, bL4nkcode, lovesmayfamilis, cryptoaddictchie, witcher_sense, notblox1, Alex_Sr  and all those good forum users to look at the case we have here.

I wish marlboroza was online.

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[LFC_Bitcoin]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body).

I really don’t get the big deal about this, the accuser has had his KYC rejected by sportsbet.io, he’s been linked to multi accounting (4 accounts) & AskGamblers said he doesn't have a case.

sportsbet.io have asked him for a bitcoin address to give his deposit back but he refuses.

I really cba with this any more, it’s already been discussed in another 2 threads, does it need a third? The flags have only been supported by two somewhat reputable members who for some reason have decided to employ themselves as the accusers non-paid investigators.

I already said I’ll remove my avatar & sig if sportsbet have scammed this guy, he has literally been rejected by AskGamblers & refused to nominate a bitcoin address for a refund though.

I’ve discussed this to death, not sure why I need to respond to some shit stirring alt (post from your main account, pussy) but I felt I needed to.

[alani123]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body)

AskGamblers as in a AskGamblers.com the self proclaimed Best Online Gambling Website in 2020 🥇?
I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but why is so much weight put onto such website? They don't seem like a "regulatory body" even.

Because when you hear regulatory body, you think government officials; law experts, lawmakers, parliamentarians and generally people that would make up a government organization that exerts authority over something like an industry. For all I know AskGamblers' interaction with users goes as far as having a forum. Why should their word be respected more than anything on this forum. After all, AskGamblers' primary source of income must be casinos themselves, so there's a bit of a conflict of interest here. It would be like allowing a judge to accept bribes if you ask them to be the final authority protecting gamblers/bettors.

[efialtis]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body).

I really don’t get the big deal about this, the accuser has had his KYC rejected by sportsbet.io, he’s been linked to multi accounting (4 accounts) & AskGamblers said he doesn't have a case.

sportsbet.io have asked him for a bitcoin address to give his deposit back but he refuses.

I really cba with this any more, it’s already been discussed in another 2 threads, does it need a third? The flags have only been supported by two somewhat reputable members who for some reason have decided to employ themselves as the accusers non-paid investigators.

I already said I’ll remove my avatar & sig if sportsbet have scammed this guy, he has literally been rejected by AskGamblers & refused to nominate a bitcoin address for a refund though.

I’ve discussed this to death, not sure why I need to respond to some shit stirring alt (post from your main account, pussy) but I felt I needed to.

Your arrogant attitude is starting to piss me off for real and that's something that doesn't happen very often. Enough is enough - you have pm'ed dozens of people asking for support in opposing a flag for a company that is paying you - and you are still playing the same old card? Seriously - what is wrong with you? You have been saying you are tired of this for 2 days now and yet you are activating an army of shillers and other friends to get involved so you can support sportsbet. Sorry, your actions and your posts are getting highly unethical, I really don't want anything to do with people like you . Good news is - any reasonable person will have noticed by now that what you are doing is absolutely inappropriate as well as untrustworthy.

Regarding that "somewhat reputable members" - looking at the way you have acted for the last days and comparing - we are million miles away when it comes to being honest, objective, unbiased, trustworthy, reputable. Watch your attitude - it's one thing to act the way you do but it's another thing when you start getting extremely arrogant and a big a******-

@OP I am glad someone speaks off - seriously starting to lose my belief in this community.

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body)

AskGamblers as in a AskGamblers.com the self proclaimed Best Online Gambling Website in 2020 🥇?
I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but why is so much weight put onto such website? They don't seem like a "regulatory body" even.

Because when you hear regulatory body, you think government officials; law experts, lawmakers, parliamentarians and generally people that would make up a government organization that exerts authority over something like an industry. For all I know AskGamblers' interaction with users goes as far as having a forum. Why should their word be respected more than anything on this forum. After all, AskGamblers' primary source of income must be casinos themselves, so there's a bit of a conflict of interest here. It would be like allowing a judge to accept bribes if you ask them to be the final authority protecting gamblers/bettors.

Correct - AskGamblers is nothing more than an affiliate website that a few years ago (wisely) decided to add some sort of player advocate thing - they still are affiliates, getting paid for referrals - just like any affiliate (including me) does and as a side note - they are one of the biggest gambling affiliate in the world.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body)

AskGamblers as in a AskGamblers.com the self proclaimed Best Online Gambling Website in 2020 🥇?
I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but why is so much weight put onto such website? They don't seem like a "regulatory body" even.

Because when you hear regulatory body, you think government officials; law experts, lawmakers, parliamentarians and generally people that would make up a government organization that exerts authority over something like an industry. For all I know AskGamblers' interaction with users goes as far as having a forum. Why should their word be respected more than anything on this forum. After all, AskGamblers' primary source of income must be casinos themselves, so there's a bit of a conflict of interest here. It would be like allowing a judge to accept bribes if you ask them to be the final authority protecting gamblers/bettors.

No offence taken at all, I’m just so fed up of this now.

It’s not my fault if you aren't familiar with AskGamblers nor do you trust them, but they are a pillar in this community and have exceptional credibility.  They are the norm for this type of situation; not other forum members getting involved as this has escalated to.   

I wish I’d never bothered responding to all this in the first place. 

[suchmoon]

I should know better than to reply to an obvious troll but it's a Saturday and the liquor stores are finally opening back up again so I'm in a mood.

I have not received any favors from Sportsbet nor do I see why I should. I believe I have received a few PMs from LFC_Bitcoin over the years on various subjects but I don't recall him shilling anything or otherwise manipulating me. Or maybe the manipulation is so good that I don't even notice... yeah, that must be it.

In conclusion, I have no fucking clue why I'm being mentioned in the OP. Perhaps I called the cowardly troll's puppetmaster a cunt at some point, which is more like a statement of fact but I digress. I've never supported or opposed flags because some anonymous troll told me to, and I'm not going to start now.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I wonder if <snip> The Pharmacist, <snip> and all those scam hunters has received the same PM or may be a different one with the request that please do not say a word to this case because sportsbet is a multi millionaire company and today or tomorrow you will have a benefit.

I certainly never received any PMs about this, nor was I even aware of the scam accusation until just now (and I still haven't read through the whole thing yet).  Generally I don't pay much attention to gambling discussion or the scam accusations that crop up from time to time regarding them, and I'd only support or oppose a flag if I fully understood what was happening on both sides--and with accusations against exchanges or casinos or various other crypto businesses I often don't feel like I have complete information to make judgements.

And OP, sometimes people disagree with scam accusations like this one simply because there's reasonable doubt in their mind that a scam occurred.  Also, maybe you haven't noticed but members who promote verified scam sites tend to get their trust pages painted red, and I've never heard even so much as a rumor that members were being coerced to cover up a scam--and I don't believe that's the case here.

[owlcatz]

FFS, why are there now 2 fucking threads for this? I Just replied to last one and I'll reply again.

Fuck off OP.

[DireWolfM14]

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Lets please put things into perspective and try to remain cool headed.  This is a disagreement about how a business chose to handle a suspected cheater.  Whether they've provided the proper evidence in public, or not is immaterial.  Whether their suspicions are valid or not is immaterial.  Sportsbet has offered to return the accuser's money, and decided to refuse his business.  That's all, nothing more.  You may disagree with their decision, you may find it distasteful, or apply any other adjectives to the subject you choose.  But, in the end the decision is there's to make.

Let's not get to the point where established members are pissing each other off over a disagreement on how a business chose to handle a suspected cheater.

[PrimeNumber7]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body).

My understanding is AskGamblers rejected the claim without reviewing it due to their policy on not getting involved in TOS disputes.

I would also not ignore what anyone has to say for the sole reason that someone is a new user, or is using a new account. This mindset will give anyone a license to scam new users without consequence.

[notblox1]

all those scam hunters has received the same PM or may be a different one with the request that please do not say a word to this case because sportsbet is a multi millionaire company and today or tomorrow you will

What the fuck is going on here and why OP added my name in that list?
I am not a scam hunter, and so far I did not receive any PM from anyone about sportsbet.

OP use your main account for this claims.

[suchmoon]

OP use your main account for this claims.

You can't do that, you're violating noobtroll's constitutional right to make shit up without any responsibility.

[hacker1001101001]

I wish marlboroza was online.

Me too.  

Let's not get to the point where established members are pissing each other off over a disagreement on how a business chose to handle a suspected cheater.

You think it's just about judging how a business is handling it's costumers or suspected cheater ? No ! It is about how people here with power handle the issues with biased judgements. To much of dense brain's around.

[logfiles]

LFC_Bitcoin is manipulating others with his PMs and DT position. Is this only for 0.018 BTC a week?

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I wonder if ... Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS,...  and all those scam hunters has received the same PM or may be a different one with the request that please do not say a word to this case because sportsbet is a multi millionaire company and today or tomorrow you will have a benefit.

WTF bro?  >
I received no PM from anyone about Sportsbet.io?

At least if you are making an accusation, make sure you have proof. I don't like doing this but I last received a Private Message on 10th July. Can you show me LFC_Bitcoin's Name?



I haven't even looked in the case, so,  How do you expect me to just pass judgement? It's not an obligation that members must pass judgement on anything that comes up. This is all about volunteering. You can as well start volunteering in busting scam instead of whining. Nobody stopped you.
Start by supporting the flag if you think it's the right thing to do.

[marlboroza]

This is getting better and better each day, account rohang countered -ve and become DT member  

SB even got little "we are selectively enforcing KYC to some of our winners" positive feedback.

So, on one side we have person claiming they withdraw over 1btc and SB never asked them KYC, on the other side another person is accused of multiaccounting and is asked for KYC.

I have to ask this, where is proof of multiaccounting?

[big_daddy]

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LFC_Bitcoin has NOT sent me any private message

OP, are you calling me a "scam hunter"? are you out of your mind? (what I can see here is you using an alt account, probably that's true)

My experience with sportsbet.io is perfect by the time of this post, and I am sure that will continue to be like that.

[Pffrt]

My experience with sportsbet.io is perfect by the time of this post, and I am sure that will continue to be like that.

Today it's neymarjr, other day it will be you, it will be me. I'm not talking about SB to be a scammer but what they are doing isn't good. Initially I agreed with their opinion but now it seems like things are going different. See the OP, what's happening actually? See the above reply of marlboroza. These are indicating something at least.
I have been a SB user but from now on I don't want to be there anymore unless this issue get solved.

[big_daddy]

My experience with sportsbet.io is perfect by the time of this post, and I am sure that will continue to be like that.

Today it's neymarjr, other day it will be you, it will be me. I'm not talking about SB to be a scammer but what they are doing isn't good. Initially I agreed with their opinion but now it seems like things are going different. See the OP, what's happening actually? See the above reply of marlboroza. These are indicating something at least.
I have been a SB user but from now on I don't want to be there anymore unless this issue get solved.

I am neutral here, for now
But can agree with you that can happen to anyone, there is always a chance
Will follow this case from now on, cause I didn't saw the case before I was mentioned here

[Side chain]

After reading some responses I found out that I have offended some users with my initial post. I apologize. My goal was to present things sarcastically and get attention from the mentioned users. I did not mean to offend anyone except some shills. I updated my original post and I hope this is fine now.

A clean version is below,

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flag=2161
LFC_Bitcoin is manipulating others with his PMs and DT position. Is this only for 0.018 BTC a week?

I would like Suchmoon, LoyceV, Lauda, Jollygood, hilariousandco, The Pharmacist, Avirunes, owlcatz, Lutpin, TheUltraElite, Hhampuz,  teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, YOSHIE, Yahoo, Little Mouse, Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS, big_daddy, bL4nkcode, lovesmayfamilis, cryptoaddictchie, witcher_sense, notblox1, Alex_Sr  and all those good forum users  to look at the case we have here.

I wish marlboroza was online.

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Thank you marlboroza, good to see you online and back to action.

This is getting better and better each day, account rohang countered -ve and become DT member  

flag=2161
Opposition: LFC_Bitcoin, swogerino, DeathAngel, kryptqnick, rdbase, El duderino_, DireWolfM14, rohang

Interesting facts: But first some references
> DeathAngel is in bitcasino
> swogerino is in sportsbet.io
> kryptqnick is in sportsbet.io
> DireWolfM14 is in sportsbet.io
> rdbase is a heavy shill of sportsbet.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208617.0, Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin most possibly received a PM to oppose the flag
> El duderino_ is very close Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin opposed the flag right after receiving the PM from his friend.
>There is another one who supported but then removed the flag. He is also very close friend to LFC_Bitcoin. Proof will be given if necessary.
> rohang is a noob account who claims that he won 1 BTC and some other winnings.


7/24/2020 9:34:05 PM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts rohang DT2
7/25/2020 8:21:45 AM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts swogerino DT2
7/25/2020 8:21:45 AM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts kryptqnick DT2
7/25/2020 4:57:22 PM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts rdbase DT2
https://bpip.org/TrustLog


Fact 1: LFC_Bitcoin is adding useless users in the DT system even noobs like rohang. In other words DT manipulating
Fact 2: LFC_Bitcoin is PMing his close circles to oppose the flag.
Fact 3: Except El duderino_ and rdbase, all these users are directly benefiting financially from the company sportsbet

Summary:
LFC_Bitcoin is doing this to make his DT network stronger with these users so that the oppose gets stronger against the flag and save sportsbet.
LFC_Bitcoin, DireWolfM14, DeathAngel, swogerino are shamelessly protecting sportsbet.io for their own interest, receiving weekly payment from signature campaign.
LFC_Bitcoin and his gang already gave the impression^* to this flag that there are a lot of DT members already opposed this flag so with a quick view anyone will assume that this is not a valid flag so move on.

Is this fair play and the forum environment allows it?

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In fairness dude who the hell are most of the people supporting the flag, Royse & efialtis fair enough.

[LoyceV]

I wonder if I would like Suchmoon, LoyceV, Lauda, Jollygood, hilariousandco, The Pharmacist, Avirunes, owlcatz, Lutpin, TheUltraElite, Hhampuz,  teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, YOSHIE, Yahoo, Little Mouse, Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS, big_daddy, bL4nkcode, lovesmayfamilis, cryptoaddictchie, witcher_sense, notblox1, Alex_Sr  and all those good forum users scam hunters has received the same PM or may be a different one with the request that please do not say a word to this case because sportsbet is a multi millionaire company and today or tomorrow you will have a benefit. to look at the case we have here.

Since I was mentioned here: I didn't receive a PM, and I haven't received a payment from Sportsbet.io either. You can't expect all users to pay attention to each scam accusation.

This case

It's much better if all evidence is presented in one post. This one has 18 links to check, many of them can't be verified independently. Getting to the bottom of that takes a lot of time, and apparently you expect the 33 users mentioned in your post to go through all that? At least add clear evidence of a scam, like I did here.

he’s been linked to multi accounting (4 accounts)

I'm still curious why it would be a problem if a user uses more than one account. It doesn't increase his odds, and it's the total wagered amount that should count for the house. But if it's against the rules, it's not allowed. Their website, their rules. And it's just dumb to break this rule, because it gives the site a reason not to pay, while your odds of winning stay the same.