LFC_bitcoin sending PMs to his friends to oppose flag and bribing DT inclusion

[Side chain]

- all DT opposition is receiving payment from SB. I'm not saying, receiving SP doesn't allow you to have an opinion, but 100% is alarming.

If we're talking about the flag - that's not true, unless you know something I don't. rdbase has a bustadice signature and El duderino_ doesn't have a paid signature.

May be because of my alt account you are not taking my posts in account and missing information. I hope I posted it from my main account but sorry I have my reasons to have this alt account anonymous.

> rdbase is a heavy shill of sportsbet.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208617.0, Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin most possibly received a PM to oppose the flag
> El duderino_ is very close Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin opposed the flag right after receiving the PM from his friend.
>There is another one who supported but then removed the flag. He is also very close friend to LFC_Bitcoin. Proof will be given if necessary.

In Wall Observer LFC_Bitcoin, El duderino_ are very close friends. Here you will find the other guy - BitcoinGirl, in the post he confessed that he received PM and the edited post (cut off part) clearly had LFC_bitcoin asking to oppose the flag. efialtis has screenshot available.

Look up post history of rdbase and see some of his posts. LFC_bitcoin knows he is a benefit seeker from sportsbet.io. See the thread he manages for sportsbet.io although they do not pay him. Plus rdbase is also fairly close to LFC_bitcoin in Wall Observer.

So El duderino_ does not have a paid signature but good guy can not deny the request from his friend.
rdbase saw an opportunity to gain some trust and accepted the bait from LFC_bitcoin and it worked. https://bpip.org/TrustLog
The other guy possibly could not connected his reasonings with LFC_bitcoin although they are good friends so he wanted to stay neutral but made the mistake of mentioning his friends in his innocent post.

DireWolfM14 may have some sense of humor but possibly he is sold because of the weekly payment he receives from SB so he really needed to save his ass by opposing the flag. Plus, this is very much possible that LFC_bitcoin sent him PM to support sportsbet.io

The rest other guys are clearly no way weight any value, they are fake users and not bringing any value to the forum except milking from signature campaign of sportsbet.io and bitcasino (both are same company), check their post history if you do not believe me. It was not very hard for LFC_bitcoin to convince them to oppose the flag by the PM he sent to them.

Ask LFC_bitcoin about how many PMs he sent to oppose the flag although I doubt he will tell you the truth.

I would have had no problem in supporting a type 2 flag.

May be the victim guy made mistake by creating type 3. One could suggest him to create flag 2. This way we do not see members are arguing with the wording of a flag instead of supporting or opposing it. First time I saw a clear mention of correct flag type.

I edited the thread title to LFC_bitcoin sending PMs to his friends to oppose flag and bribing DT inclusion
The bribing is a very silent work he is doing. Oppose the flag, the user finds his inclusion, speaks against sportsbet.io case, the user finds his distrust.
He also send a counter positive feedback which he deleted later to support his sportsbet.io employers.

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LFC_Bitcoin is manipulating others with his PMs and DT position. Is this only for 0.018 BTC a week?

I would like Suchmoon, LoyceV, Lauda, Jollygood, hilariousandco, The Pharmacist, Avirunes, owlcatz, Lutpin, TheUltraElite, Hhampuz,  teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, YOSHIE, Yahoo, Little Mouse, Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS, big_daddy, bL4nkcode, lovesmayfamilis, cryptoaddictchie, witcher_sense, notblox1, Alex_Sr  and all those good forum users to look at the case we have here.

I wish marlboroza was online.

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[LFC_Bitcoin]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body).

I really don’t get the big deal about this, the accuser has had his KYC rejected by sportsbet.io, he’s been linked to multi accounting (4 accounts) & AskGamblers said he doesn't have a case.

sportsbet.io have asked him for a bitcoin address to give his deposit back but he refuses.

I really cba with this any more, it’s already been discussed in another 2 threads, does it need a third? The flags have only been supported by two somewhat reputable members who for some reason have decided to employ themselves as the accusers non-paid investigators.

I already said I’ll remove my avatar & sig if sportsbet have scammed this guy, he has literally been rejected by AskGamblers & refused to nominate a bitcoin address for a refund though.

I’ve discussed this to death, not sure why I need to respond to some shit stirring alt (post from your main account, pussy) but I felt I needed to.

[alani123]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body)

AskGamblers as in a AskGamblers.com the self proclaimed Best Online Gambling Website in 2020 🥇?
I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but why is so much weight put onto such website? They don't seem like a "regulatory body" even.

Because when you hear regulatory body, you think government officials; law experts, lawmakers, parliamentarians and generally people that would make up a government organization that exerts authority over something like an industry. For all I know AskGamblers' interaction with users goes as far as having a forum. Why should their word be respected more than anything on this forum. After all, AskGamblers' primary source of income must be casinos themselves, so there's a bit of a conflict of interest here. It would be like allowing a judge to accept bribes if you ask them to be the final authority protecting gamblers/bettors.

[efialtis]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body).

I really don’t get the big deal about this, the accuser has had his KYC rejected by sportsbet.io, he’s been linked to multi accounting (4 accounts) & AskGamblers said he doesn't have a case.

sportsbet.io have asked him for a bitcoin address to give his deposit back but he refuses.

I really cba with this any more, it’s already been discussed in another 2 threads, does it need a third? The flags have only been supported by two somewhat reputable members who for some reason have decided to employ themselves as the accusers non-paid investigators.

I already said I’ll remove my avatar & sig if sportsbet have scammed this guy, he has literally been rejected by AskGamblers & refused to nominate a bitcoin address for a refund though.

I’ve discussed this to death, not sure why I need to respond to some shit stirring alt (post from your main account, pussy) but I felt I needed to.

Your arrogant attitude is starting to piss me off for real and that's something that doesn't happen very often. Enough is enough - you have pm'ed dozens of people asking for support in opposing a flag for a company that is paying you - and you are still playing the same old card? Seriously - what is wrong with you? You have been saying you are tired of this for 2 days now and yet you are activating an army of shillers and other friends to get involved so you can support sportsbet. Sorry, your actions and your posts are getting highly unethical, I really don't want anything to do with people like you . Good news is - any reasonable person will have noticed by now that what you are doing is absolutely inappropriate as well as untrustworthy.

Regarding that "somewhat reputable members" - looking at the way you have acted for the last days and comparing - we are million miles away when it comes to being honest, objective, unbiased, trustworthy, reputable. Watch your attitude - it's one thing to act the way you do but it's another thing when you start getting extremely arrogant and a big a******-

@OP I am glad someone speaks off - seriously starting to lose my belief in this community.

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body)

AskGamblers as in a AskGamblers.com the self proclaimed Best Online Gambling Website in 2020 🥇?
I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but why is so much weight put onto such website? They don't seem like a "regulatory body" even.

Because when you hear regulatory body, you think government officials; law experts, lawmakers, parliamentarians and generally people that would make up a government organization that exerts authority over something like an industry. For all I know AskGamblers' interaction with users goes as far as having a forum. Why should their word be respected more than anything on this forum. After all, AskGamblers' primary source of income must be casinos themselves, so there's a bit of a conflict of interest here. It would be like allowing a judge to accept bribes if you ask them to be the final authority protecting gamblers/bettors.

Correct - AskGamblers is nothing more than an affiliate website that a few years ago (wisely) decided to add some sort of player advocate thing - they still are affiliates, getting paid for referrals - just like any affiliate (including me) does and as a side note - they are one of the biggest gambling affiliate in the world.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body)

AskGamblers as in a AskGamblers.com the self proclaimed Best Online Gambling Website in 2020 🥇?
I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound rude, but why is so much weight put onto such website? They don't seem like a "regulatory body" even.

Because when you hear regulatory body, you think government officials; law experts, lawmakers, parliamentarians and generally people that would make up a government organization that exerts authority over something like an industry. For all I know AskGamblers' interaction with users goes as far as having a forum. Why should their word be respected more than anything on this forum. After all, AskGamblers' primary source of income must be casinos themselves, so there's a bit of a conflict of interest here. It would be like allowing a judge to accept bribes if you ask them to be the final authority protecting gamblers/bettors.

No offence taken at all, I’m just so fed up of this now.

It’s not my fault if you aren't familiar with AskGamblers nor do you trust them, but they are a pillar in this community and have exceptional credibility.  They are the norm for this type of situation; not other forum members getting involved as this has escalated to.   

I wish I’d never bothered responding to all this in the first place. 

[suchmoon]

I should know better than to reply to an obvious troll but it's a Saturday and the liquor stores are finally opening back up again so I'm in a mood.

I have not received any favors from Sportsbet nor do I see why I should. I believe I have received a few PMs from LFC_Bitcoin over the years on various subjects but I don't recall him shilling anything or otherwise manipulating me. Or maybe the manipulation is so good that I don't even notice... yeah, that must be it.

In conclusion, I have no fucking clue why I'm being mentioned in the OP. Perhaps I called the cowardly troll's puppetmaster a cunt at some point, which is more like a statement of fact but I digress. I've never supported or opposed flags because some anonymous troll told me to, and I'm not going to start now.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I wonder if <snip> The Pharmacist, <snip> and all those scam hunters has received the same PM or may be a different one with the request that please do not say a word to this case because sportsbet is a multi millionaire company and today or tomorrow you will have a benefit.

I certainly never received any PMs about this, nor was I even aware of the scam accusation until just now (and I still haven't read through the whole thing yet).  Generally I don't pay much attention to gambling discussion or the scam accusations that crop up from time to time regarding them, and I'd only support or oppose a flag if I fully understood what was happening on both sides--and with accusations against exchanges or casinos or various other crypto businesses I often don't feel like I have complete information to make judgements.

And OP, sometimes people disagree with scam accusations like this one simply because there's reasonable doubt in their mind that a scam occurred.  Also, maybe you haven't noticed but members who promote verified scam sites tend to get their trust pages painted red, and I've never heard even so much as a rumor that members were being coerced to cover up a scam--and I don't believe that's the case here.

[owlcatz]

FFS, why are there now 2 fucking threads for this? I Just replied to last one and I'll reply again.

Fuck off OP.

[DireWolfM14]

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Lets please put things into perspective and try to remain cool headed.  This is a disagreement about how a business chose to handle a suspected cheater.  Whether they've provided the proper evidence in public, or not is immaterial.  Whether their suspicions are valid or not is immaterial.  Sportsbet has offered to return the accuser's money, and decided to refuse his business.  That's all, nothing more.  You may disagree with their decision, you may find it distasteful, or apply any other adjectives to the subject you choose.  But, in the end the decision is there's to make.

Let's not get to the point where established members are pissing each other off over a disagreement on how a business chose to handle a suspected cheater.

[PrimeNumber7]

I welcome big hitter / highly respected accounts to take a look at the case linked in your post, OP. The accuser has already had a case rejected by AskGamblers (regulatory body).

My understanding is AskGamblers rejected the claim without reviewing it due to their policy on not getting involved in TOS disputes.

I would also not ignore what anyone has to say for the sole reason that someone is a new user, or is using a new account. This mindset will give anyone a license to scam new users without consequence.

[notblox1]

all those scam hunters has received the same PM or may be a different one with the request that please do not say a word to this case because sportsbet is a multi millionaire company and today or tomorrow you will

What the fuck is going on here and why OP added my name in that list?
I am not a scam hunter, and so far I did not receive any PM from anyone about sportsbet.

OP use your main account for this claims.

[suchmoon]

OP use your main account for this claims.

You can't do that, you're violating noobtroll's constitutional right to make shit up without any responsibility.

[hacker1001101001]

I wish marlboroza was online.

Me too.  

Let's not get to the point where established members are pissing each other off over a disagreement on how a business chose to handle a suspected cheater.

You think it's just about judging how a business is handling it's costumers or suspected cheater ? No ! It is about how people here with power handle the issues with biased judgements. To much of dense brain's around.

[logfiles]

LFC_Bitcoin is manipulating others with his PMs and DT position. Is this only for 0.018 BTC a week?

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I wonder if ... Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS,...  and all those scam hunters has received the same PM or may be a different one with the request that please do not say a word to this case because sportsbet is a multi millionaire company and today or tomorrow you will have a benefit.

WTF bro?  >
I received no PM from anyone about Sportsbet.io?

At least if you are making an accusation, make sure you have proof. I don't like doing this but I last received a Private Message on 10th July. Can you show me LFC_Bitcoin's Name?



I haven't even looked in the case, so,  How do you expect me to just pass judgement? It's not an obligation that members must pass judgement on anything that comes up. This is all about volunteering. You can as well start volunteering in busting scam instead of whining. Nobody stopped you.
Start by supporting the flag if you think it's the right thing to do.

[marlboroza]

This is getting better and better each day, account rohang countered -ve and become DT member  

SB even got little "we are selectively enforcing KYC to some of our winners" positive feedback.

So, on one side we have person claiming they withdraw over 1btc and SB never asked them KYC, on the other side another person is accused of multiaccounting and is asked for KYC.

I have to ask this, where is proof of multiaccounting?

[big_daddy]

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LFC_Bitcoin has NOT sent me any private message

OP, are you calling me a "scam hunter"? are you out of your mind? (what I can see here is you using an alt account, probably that's true)

My experience with sportsbet.io is perfect by the time of this post, and I am sure that will continue to be like that.

[Pffrt]

My experience with sportsbet.io is perfect by the time of this post, and I am sure that will continue to be like that.

Today it's neymarjr, other day it will be you, it will be me. I'm not talking about SB to be a scammer but what they are doing isn't good. Initially I agreed with their opinion but now it seems like things are going different. See the OP, what's happening actually? See the above reply of marlboroza. These are indicating something at least.
I have been a SB user but from now on I don't want to be there anymore unless this issue get solved.

[big_daddy]

My experience with sportsbet.io is perfect by the time of this post, and I am sure that will continue to be like that.

Today it's neymarjr, other day it will be you, it will be me. I'm not talking about SB to be a scammer but what they are doing isn't good. Initially I agreed with their opinion but now it seems like things are going different. See the OP, what's happening actually? See the above reply of marlboroza. These are indicating something at least.
I have been a SB user but from now on I don't want to be there anymore unless this issue get solved.

I am neutral here, for now
But can agree with you that can happen to anyone, there is always a chance
Will follow this case from now on, cause I didn't saw the case before I was mentioned here

[Side chain]

After reading some responses I found out that I have offended some users with my initial post. I apologize. My goal was to present things sarcastically and get attention from the mentioned users. I did not mean to offend anyone except some shills. I updated my original post and I hope this is fine now.

A clean version is below,

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flag=2161
LFC_Bitcoin is manipulating others with his PMs and DT position. Is this only for 0.018 BTC a week?

I would like Suchmoon, LoyceV, Lauda, Jollygood, hilariousandco, The Pharmacist, Avirunes, owlcatz, Lutpin, TheUltraElite, Hhampuz,  teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, YOSHIE, Yahoo, Little Mouse, Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS, big_daddy, bL4nkcode, lovesmayfamilis, cryptoaddictchie, witcher_sense, notblox1, Alex_Sr  and all those good forum users  to look at the case we have here.

I wish marlboroza was online.

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Thank you marlboroza, good to see you online and back to action.

This is getting better and better each day, account rohang countered -ve and become DT member  

flag=2161
Opposition: LFC_Bitcoin, swogerino, DeathAngel, kryptqnick, rdbase, El duderino_, DireWolfM14, rohang

Interesting facts: But first some references
> DeathAngel is in bitcasino
> swogerino is in sportsbet.io
> kryptqnick is in sportsbet.io
> DireWolfM14 is in sportsbet.io
> rdbase is a heavy shill of sportsbet.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208617.0, Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin most possibly received a PM to oppose the flag
> El duderino_ is very close Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin opposed the flag right after receiving the PM from his friend.
>There is another one who supported but then removed the flag. He is also very close friend to LFC_Bitcoin. Proof will be given if necessary.
> rohang is a noob account who claims that he won 1 BTC and some other winnings.


7/24/2020 9:34:05 PM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts rohang DT2
7/25/2020 8:21:45 AM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts swogerino DT2
7/25/2020 8:21:45 AM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts kryptqnick DT2
7/25/2020 4:57:22 PM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts rdbase DT2
https://bpip.org/TrustLog


Fact 1: LFC_Bitcoin is adding useless users in the DT system even noobs like rohang. In other words DT manipulating
Fact 2: LFC_Bitcoin is PMing his close circles to oppose the flag.
Fact 3: Except El duderino_ and rdbase, all these users are directly benefiting financially from the company sportsbet

Summary:
LFC_Bitcoin is doing this to make his DT network stronger with these users so that the oppose gets stronger against the flag and save sportsbet.
LFC_Bitcoin, DireWolfM14, DeathAngel, swogerino are shamelessly protecting sportsbet.io for their own interest, receiving weekly payment from signature campaign.
LFC_Bitcoin and his gang already gave the impression^* to this flag that there are a lot of DT members already opposed this flag so with a quick view anyone will assume that this is not a valid flag so move on.

Is this fair play and the forum environment allows it?

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In fairness dude who the hell are most of the people supporting the flag, Royse & efialtis fair enough.

[LoyceV]

I wonder if I would like Suchmoon, LoyceV, Lauda, Jollygood, hilariousandco, The Pharmacist, Avirunes, owlcatz, Lutpin, TheUltraElite, Hhampuz,  teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, YOSHIE, Yahoo, Little Mouse, Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS, big_daddy, bL4nkcode, lovesmayfamilis, cryptoaddictchie, witcher_sense, notblox1, Alex_Sr  and all those good forum users scam hunters has received the same PM or may be a different one with the request that please do not say a word to this case because sportsbet is a multi millionaire company and today or tomorrow you will have a benefit. to look at the case we have here.

Since I was mentioned here: I didn't receive a PM, and I haven't received a payment from Sportsbet.io either. You can't expect all users to pay attention to each scam accusation.

This case

It's much better if all evidence is presented in one post. This one has 18 links to check, many of them can't be verified independently. Getting to the bottom of that takes a lot of time, and apparently you expect the 33 users mentioned in your post to go through all that? At least add clear evidence of a scam, like I did here.

he’s been linked to multi accounting (4 accounts)

I'm still curious why it would be a problem if a user uses more than one account. It doesn't increase his odds, and it's the total wagered amount that should count for the house. But if it's against the rules, it's not allowed. Their website, their rules. And it's just dumb to break this rule, because it gives the site a reason not to pay, while your odds of winning stay the same.

[asche]

I think the multi account rule is mainly to avoid self referral. So yes in the bigger picture it makes little difference and shouldn't (imo) affect the repayment.

[suchmoon]

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Seeing how only one DT member supports the flag, it would be inactive with or without the stuff that you're alleging.

[efialtis]

Many changes to trust lists indeed and I am doing none of these for "revenge" - I explained myself often enough and the people I distrusted know exactly why I am doing this - The whole "situation" is now two things:

1) Sportsbet's unprofessional behavior is alarming (I can live with people not 100% supporting or opposing)
2) Hypocrisy like pm'ing several users to oppose a flag (even ones that have absolutely no clue about gambling), manipulating trust lists, becoming extremely arrogant as if they were something better, actually lying in several occasions

I can not trust in such people's judgement.

- By the way - some food for thought here - it wouldn't be the first time the guys running sportsbet & bitcasino would act "shady" - don't believe? Head over to any reputable gambling forum (business as well as player forums) and ask - you may be surprised.

- Anyone trying to make me look ridiculous as for "PM'ing users to oppose" - There is proof of that and if that's not enough - there is also lots of proof the guys running this thing have been doing this for a long time - proof available, too.

- You might also be surprised to see what kind of messages I have received from Sportsbet in the past with regards to posts I made (not a lamer so I am not going to share publicly but don't get hypocrites plz. The people I am referring to know exactly what I am talking about and just in case, I have also saved these messages.

It is not like I made this whole thing up out of the blue when I first read neymarjr's accusation - again, any reasonable person should realize that you can't act like that if you are Sportsbet (who like to think they are the most reputable bookie out there)

[hacker1001101001]

- Anyone trying to make me look ridiculous as for "PM'ing users to oppose" - There is proof of that and if that's not enough - there is also lots of proof the guys running this thing have been doing this for a long time - proof available, too.

I totally agree with you, there are several events noted from same DT users you are concerned of in the past to manipulate trust lists and other persons view's via sending PMs, this even includes threading user's to kick out from DT in one way or another. You would be interested to know how Lauda would do this !

[tyKiwanuka]

I'm still curious why it would be a problem if a user uses more than one account.

Free bets, promos, deposit bonus was already mentioned in the other thread I think. I will give you an example, how you could cheat the Multimaster Promo with heavy multi-accounting:


Source: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/weekend-multi-master

You have 15³ = 3375 different combinations, minimum stake 0.1 mBTC, so total stake 337.5 mBTC. But you will win 3000 mBTC every weekend (if no one else does the same)


Take 100% first deposit bonus. You deposit 100,- and get 100,- on top. You do this with multiple accounts and always place opposite bets on these accounts. The one account plays "over", the other "under". One account will be empty, but the other has double the amount. Onto the next account. Rinse and repeat, until rollover requirement is done and you can withdraw more than you deposited into all these accounts.


Some bookies don't want you at their site no more. My account at Sportsbet is limited to ridiculously low amounts, I have no price boost anymore, even my max bet button is gone. They want to get rid of me and achieve that by making my account unusable. If multi-accounting was allowed, they couldn't get rid of me (or not that easy), since I could just open new accounts all the time. This is industry standard and they have all the right to do it. I am ok with it, though it's a bit annoying always I must confess, but nothing I can do.

[asche]

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Honestly LFC,

I dislike, on principle, the fact that

- all DT opposition is receiving payment from SB. I'm not saying, receiving SP doesn't allow you to have an opinion, but 100% is alarming.
- That you included several members in your trust list just after they opposed the flag. Maybe you took the time to review all of them and thought to yourself you like their judgment, but once again, that's not how it looks.


All your argument is based on the fact that SP says the user failed KYC. But once again, it's just their voice against the users. Bitcoin stands for transparency, this feels a lot like obscurancy/despotism.

I'm quite surprised that SP refuses to share why he failed KYC. It would cost them 0, and make all this noise and potential reputation harming story go away. This is the only reason I believe there is more to it, but again I can be wrong.

We need transparency, specially in crypto, and on this matter we have 0. And I find this sad, even more when you want to be N°1 like Sportsbet.

Once again, I'd love SP to show us that they are right to deny the full refund, but they aren't for some reason.


OP are you also a paid sportsbet campaign member? Because in any other case I don't see how using your main account would do you any harm. The only possibility is that your main account has big trust issues.

I'm not supporting the flag, but I'm also not comfortable with how the flag got supported by LFC and the brand new DT2 resulting of his trust list changes. I will change my trust list accordingly.

[The Cryptovator]

I believe OP mentioned my name here due to the trust list. However, since my name mentioned here so I will clear about PM. No, I haven't received any PM from LFC_Bitcoin or Sportsbet as well regarding the support or oppose flags. I can't recall if I had chat with LFC_Bitcoin via forum PM. On the other hand, I haven't look into the case deeply so I can't judge anything right now. Due to lack of time sometimes it's not possible to reply to some accusations, also sometimes all DT members wouldn't interested in all cases, especially those who are not well aware of gambling like me.

[mindrust]

How did I miss this thread? Fuck I won't be able to sleep this night.  

Btw, wtf is a askgamblers? I've been around nearly for a decade and I hear about them only today. :/

[asche]

This is some epic shit, DT Members throwing each other under a bus, arguing & bickering. Troll OP getting exactly what he wants, if he continues to divide DT’s he’s gonna say hello to my 12 inch, veiny friend, up his ass.

What is this whole deal over, a 0.3BTC bet withheld by a sports bookie? It isn’t fucking TradeFortress stealing thousands of bitcoin. Haven’t any of you got gf’s/wives or anything better to do?

neymar guy should accept his deposits back from the bookie & end this.

Very interesting how people keeps using accounts with 0 posting history here.

Not sure what LoyceV found to merit...

Why would he accept the .12 vs the full amount if he actually believes he is right? I mean I don't actually know who is right or wrong here, but he does deserve an answer and a fair treatment.

If casinos are able to get away with 'the user failed kyc' it sets a dangerous precedent.

[mindrust]

What is this whole deal over, a 0.3BTC bet withheld by a sports bookie? It isn’t fucking TradeFortress stealing thousands of bitcoin. Haven’t any of you got gf’s/wives or anything better to do?

How did I miss this thread? Fuck I won't be able to sleep this night.  

Exhibit A ^^

Go away vispilio. This is way above your level.

[AB de Royse777]

Good observation on this @OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264620.msg54874768#msg54874768

But if you would post it from your main account then it could weight more. People don't show much respects to newbie alt account, and they do not take their words seriously.

[suchmoon]

You have no respect here, I see you trying to take on suchmoon here today, like a baby trying to fight a man.

Yeah what a travesty... people discussing something on a discussion forum. Unlike shit-stirring noobs like you, who pop up just to waste everyone's time. Get lost.

- all DT opposition is receiving payment from SB. I'm not saying, receiving SP doesn't allow you to have an opinion, but 100% is alarming.

If we're talking about the flag - that's not true, unless you know something I don't. rdbase has a bustadice signature and El duderino_ doesn't have a paid signature. Meanwhile on the supporting side we have two users with signatures of other gambling sites (potential competitors?) and a bunch of game-protect alts and only one DT member. The flag simply doesn't have enough support and is likely invalid to begin with.

[PrimeNumber7]

I'm still curious why it would be a problem if a user uses more than one account.

Free bets, promos, deposit bonus was already mentioned in the other thread I think. I will give you an example, how you could cheat the Multimaster Promo with heavy multi-accounting:

[img height=350 ]https://i.imgur.com/Epl0tNK.jpg[/img]
Source: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/weekend-multi-master

You have 15³ = 3375 different combinations, minimum stake 0.1 mBTC, so total stake 337.5 mBTC. But you will win 3000 mBTC every weekend (if no one else does the same)


Take 100% first deposit bonus. You deposit 100,- and get 100,- on top. You do this with multiple accounts and always place opposite bets on these accounts. The one account plays "over", the other "under". One account will be empty, but the other has double the amount. Onto the next account. Rinse and repeat, until rollover requirement is done and you can withdraw more than you deposited into all these accounts.

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Is there even an allegation that neymarjr12 did this? If not, I would classify this as speculation(or even something less), although this may be one legitimate reason to prohibit multi-accounting.

I want to know what specifically neymarjr12 is alleged to do to cause harm to SB.

[LoyceV]

Not sure what LoyceV found to merit...

This:

This is some epic shit, DT Members throwing each other under a bus, arguing & bickering. Troll OP getting exactly what he wants

I guess I'm just tired of the DT-drama.
But you're right, the rest of the post (and the posts he made after this) isn't worth it. Although I also use Merit as "this post says a lot about the writer", and in that case it fits well again.

[asche]

- all DT opposition is receiving payment from SB. I'm not saying, receiving SP doesn't allow you to have an opinion, but 100% is alarming.

If we're talking about the flag - that's not true, unless you know something I don't. rdbase has a bustadice signature and El duderino_ doesn't have a paid signature. Meanwhile on the supporting side we have two users with signatures of other gambling sites (potential competitors?) and a bunch of game-protect alts and only one DT member. The flag simply doesn't have enough support and is likely invalid to begin with.

You are right about #1 my bad, wasn't watching the flag in 'dt-mode'.

I don't get your point about it being invalid?

If one says, take 30% of what I owe you or get lost, they are trying to steal only 70% of that amount? This is semantics and changes nothing about the matter.  The order of magnitude being the same.

I guess you noticed 271 + 102 = 373 mBTC, so we are all talking about the same thing here. I don't think after reading the story that there would be any misunderstanding about that.

I myself didn't support the flag, because I still hope sportsbet will answer and give some elements showing they do this in full respect of the law and their own T&Cs without abusing their power in saying the user failed KYC for no particular reason.

I mean even if the user was like from a country where SP is not supposed to be operating, what would have happened if it was the other way around, I mean if the net amount in the users account was lower than the deposits. Would SP still refund the entire deposits? If yes I'd be fine with their decision, in that particular case of KYC failure, if not it's not very fair, is it?

Not sure what LoyceV found to merit...

This:

This is some epic shit, DT Members throwing each other under a bus, arguing & bickering. Troll OP getting exactly what he wants

I guess I'm just tired of the DT-drama.
But you're right, the rest of the post (and the posts he made after this) isn't worth it. Although I also use Merit as "this post says a lot about the writer", and in that case it fits well again.

Thanks for the clarification

[Use Your Brain]

Btw, wtf is a askgamblers? I've been around nearly for a decade and I hear about them only today. :/

not surprised by this admission.  after all the shit stirring you are providing, You dont even have a dang clue on the matter.   the true definition of a SHIT POSTER everyone.

[suchmoon]

I don't get your point about it being invalid?

If one says, take 30% of what I owe you or get lost, they are trying to steal only 70% of that amount? This is semantics and changes nothing about the matter.  The order of magnitude being the same.

I guess you noticed 271 + 102 = 373 mBTC, so we are all talking about the same thing here. I don't think after reading the story that there would be any misunderstanding about that.

I think the amount should be stated correctly. The dispute is about 271 mBTC.

There is also the inability of the alleged victim to produce a written contract supporting their statements, so using type 3 for this flag is also likely incorrect. I asked that question a few times and all I got back was some hypothetical doomsday scenario. A written contract flag should be bulletproof.

[asche]

I think the amount should be stated correctly. The dispute is about 271 mBTC.

There is also the inability of the alleged victim to produce a written contract supporting their statements, so using type 3 for this flag is also likely incorrect. I asked that question a few times and all I got back was some hypothetical doomsday scenario. A written contract flag should be bulletproof.

Ok that's why I don't support the flag myself (the written contract part, not the amount), but I also think the matter should be dealt with. The post you linked was all about the amount.

I would have had no problem in supporting a type 2 flag.

I have the feeling we spend more time commenting if the right flag was used for the sake of the argument than actually discussing the matter, which could ultimately benefit the alleged perpetrator. Pitty.

[Side chain]

- all DT opposition is receiving payment from SB. I'm not saying, receiving SP doesn't allow you to have an opinion, but 100% is alarming.

If we're talking about the flag - that's not true, unless you know something I don't. rdbase has a bustadice signature and El duderino_ doesn't have a paid signature.

May be because of my alt account you are not taking my posts in account and missing information. I hope I posted it from my main account but sorry I have my reasons to have this alt account anonymous.

> rdbase is a heavy shill of sportsbet.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208617.0, Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin most possibly received a PM to oppose the flag
> El duderino_ is very close Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin opposed the flag right after receiving the PM from his friend.
>There is another one who supported but then removed the flag. He is also very close friend to LFC_Bitcoin. Proof will be given if necessary.

In Wall Observer LFC_Bitcoin, El duderino_ are very close friends. Here you will find the other guy - BitcoinGirl, in the post he confessed that he received PM and the edited post (cut off part) clearly had LFC_bitcoin asking to oppose the flag. efialtis has screenshot available.

Look up post history of rdbase and see some of his posts. LFC_bitcoin knows he is a benefit seeker from sportsbet.io. See the thread he manages for sportsbet.io although they do not pay him. Plus rdbase is also fairly close to LFC_bitcoin in Wall Observer.

So El duderino_ does not have a paid signature but good guy can not deny the request from his friend.
rdbase saw an opportunity to gain some trust and accepted the bait from LFC_bitcoin and it worked. https://bpip.org/TrustLog
The other guy possibly could not connected his reasonings with LFC_bitcoin although they are good friends so he wanted to stay neutral but made the mistake of mentioning his friends in his innocent post.

DireWolfM14 may have some sense of humor but possibly he is sold because of the weekly payment he receives from SB so he really needed to save his ass by opposing the flag. Plus, this is very much possible that LFC_bitcoin sent him PM to support sportsbet.io

The rest other guys are clearly no way weight any value, they are fake users and not bringing any value to the forum except milking from signature campaign of sportsbet.io and bitcasino (both are same company), check their post history if you do not believe me. It was not very hard for LFC_bitcoin to convince them to oppose the flag by the PM he sent to them.

Ask LFC_bitcoin about how many PMs he sent to oppose the flag although I doubt he will tell you the truth.

I would have had no problem in supporting a type 2 flag.

May be the victim guy made mistake by creating type 3. One could suggest him to create flag 2. This way we do not see members are arguing with the wording of a flag instead of supporting or opposing it. First time I saw a clear mention of correct flag type.

I edited the thread title to LFC_bitcoin sending PMs to his friends to oppose flag and bribing DT inclusion
The bribing is a very silent work he is doing. Oppose the flag, the user finds his inclusion, speaks against sportsbet.io case, the user finds his distrust.
He also send a counter positive feedback which he deleted later to support his sportsbet.io employers.

[rdbase]

^^
A benefits seeker? A shill of sportsbet.io?
Where do you come up with this shit
If you have seen my threads I promote for both stake and sportsbet.io in offering prizes for becoming a referral on both sites under their affiliate programs.Is it not allowed to promote for affiliate programs all the sudden now on the forums?
I support sportsbet.io because I have used the site, have won several times and had no issues cashing out on their site. So I favor them as a sportsbetting site that I like to use and have won a prize once and a while. So I do not see ayn harm in supporting a flag that opposes putting down a site I am active on and enjoy the service they provide.
So with this thread you are basically threatening people on what option they have on a flag.
That is utter nonsense. And all your deductions of your observations are just pure speculation and should not be taken with any truth to them.

[suchmoon]

I have the feeling we spend more time commenting if the right flag was used for the sake of the argument than actually discussing the matter, which could ultimately benefit the alleged perpetrator. Pitty.

We can discuss it without flags too but if the thread is used as a reference for a flag then it needs to provide supporting information for it. I have serious doubts about the credibility of the author of the flag and so far all my suspicions have been confirmed so I'm not touching it.

Same here in this thread. The OP insists on discrediting opposition of the flag but it wouldn't have enough support even if nobody opposed it. I've been giving free advice how to fix the flag the whole day

[Side chain]

rdbase

So you are denying that LFC_bitcoin sent you PM and you did not see an opportunity to be included in his trust list?
https://bpip.org/TrustLog
https://prnt.sc/toyf4g

[LFC_Bitcoin]

My absolute last post on this absolute crap now, I’m getting fed up of this fucking Johnny Foreigner autist (just look at his post history, fucking cowardly alt, shit stirring about various DT Members).

Post from your main account you coward.


I’ve been on this forum & heavily invested in bitcoin since 2014. Bitcoin has made my life & I am forever grateful for discovering bitcoin back then. This place is like a second home to me, I’ve made RL friends from here & I’ve never once done anything that I’d deem as untrustworthy.

I’ve been working with sportsbet for years & consider a number of the guys there as friends. Firstly I’d like to address the bribery accusation, what shit are you talking here? You think I paid people to support or oppose a flag, utter nonsense. I messaged a few people I know to take a look at the flag & see what they thought but bribery? People have their own minds, who am I, I am the boss of nobody. The last time I checked none of the people I asked to take a look would do anything if they didn’t want to. How is that untrustworthy?

sportsbet.io are a multi million pound organisation, there’s no way they’d scam a guy over what is essentially for them, absolute pittance.

This shit should have stopped here -

Hi guys. I hope I'm not yet another unneeded cook but I would like to reiterate my suggestion in that we request both neymarjr12 and Sportsbet to both proceed with this situation through a recognised gambling industry arbitrator -- AskGamblers.com.

@neymarjr12 Please if you haven't done so already, do open your case against them using this link: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/

There is a tutorial there that I urge you to watch and then submit it and wait for it to appear on that same page (your complaint will register there if it meets all the requirements). Then, I would ask you to update this OP with all the information, I am more than certain Sportsbet will respond to that complaint there.

Why do this instead of involving all of us and others here?

1. As much as I respect and love many of the posters here -- I know almost all of them by name and consider them my friends and like-minded allies in gambling -- I do not think it is fair to ask you OR Sportsbet to disclose any private and confidential information. I, for one, would really not like to meddle with GDPR consequences, nor would I like anyone I know here to expose themselves to that very real, potentially litigious risk.

2. As much as I'd like to think my opinion counts (it is possibly not objective as I use Sportsbet myself), I don't think it is also fair to ask anyone to accept our unqualified observations, since none of us I believe actually work in the industry. AskGamblers is the only 3rd-party, independent arbitrator that I trust and I know many others online trust as well. THEY are qualified to intervene and mediate.

3. AskGamblers decision will carry more weight, and should be final, more so than any decision either of us individually or as a group could possibly have. Casinos know their reputation and will be eager and keen to resolve this with them, in a way that protects their method (but opening themselves to inquiry by AskGamblers), and protects the user (so neither I nor anyone on this forum can access your data). We may be able to affect trust ratings here but a flag by AskGamblers will affect trust ratings elsewhere online, arguably with wider impact.

OP, you can inform Sportsbet you are doing this, update the first post with relevant and updated information, and keep us abreast and informed.

I only just notice this thread and read through it, but I'm going comment just to explain why I'm opposing both flags:

Sportsbet.io is a business, and like all businesses they have the right to refuse service to anyone, without explanation.  They aren't obligated to explain themselves to neymarjr12, or any of us.  They made a business decision, and having taken the time to explain themselves in this thread should have been enough.  They didn't have to do that, and they don't owe anyone any more than that.

2. I don't mind sharing my KYC documents with a small group of trusted users in this thread if it helps to solve my case.

This whole business is really silly.  Who's to say the documents aren't stolen and have been passed around?  How would any one on neymarjr12's list be able to determine that?  @Royse777, would you accept this users documents in lieu of collateral for a loan?  If not, then they shouldn't be enough to condemn a legitimate business.

@neymarjr12, I know you've repeatedly said that you've done nothing wrong, but forgive my skepticism.  I couldn't help but notice your English is fairly good.  Are you sure you didn't violate their TOS?  Lets assume your documents are legit, are you from one of the countries highlighted below?

3.3.       You are aware that the right to access and use the website and any products there offered, may be considered illegal in certain countries. We are not able to verify the legality of service in each and every jurisdiction, consequently, you are responsible in determining whether your accessing and using our website is compliant with the applicable laws in your country and you warrant to us that gambling is not illegal in the territory where you reside.  For various legal or commercial reasons, we do not permit accounts to be opened or used by customers resident in certain jurisdictions, including the United States of America (and her dependencies, military bases and territories), Australia, United Kingdom, Estonia, Netherlands or other restricted jurisdictions ("Restricted Jurisdiction") as communicated by us from time to time. By using the Website you confirm you are not a resident in a Restricted Jurisdiction.

The amount they offered him (which he has until now refused) is the sum of his deposits minus his withdrawals.  In effect he would be getting a full refund, and they would go about their business, quite literally.  Somehow it's not ringing the "scam alarm" to me.

This is not my understanding. The OP placed bets with his deposit, that Sportsbet appeared to have accepted that turned out to be winning bets. The net winnings are excluded from what is being offered to the OP.

I understand that philosophy, but we don't know the whole story, and Sportsbet.io isn't obligated to disclose it.  In fact, considering what it would take to prove their suspicions to us, they are very likely obligated NOT to disclose it.

What if the OP is from the US, or another probated location?  Do you suggest they should break the law, and pay the winnings?  We don't know what evidence they have, and I'm not trusting a bitter newbie over an established business.

Multi Accounting Rule -

I'm still curious why it would be a problem if a user uses more than one account.

Free bets, promos, deposit bonus was already mentioned in the other thread I think. I will give you an example, how you could cheat the Multimaster Promo with heavy multi-accounting:


Source: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/weekend-multi-master

You have 15³ = 3375 different combinations, minimum stake 0.1 mBTC, so total stake 337.5 mBTC. But you will win 3000 mBTC every weekend (if no one else does the same)


Take 100% first deposit bonus. You deposit 100,- and get 100,- on top. You do this with multiple accounts and always place opposite bets on these accounts. The one account plays "over", the other "under". One account will be empty, but the other has double the amount. Onto the next account. Rinse and repeat, until rollover requirement is done and you can withdraw more than you deposited into all these accounts.


Some bookies don't want you at their site no more. My account at Sportsbet is limited to ridiculously low amounts, I have no price boost anymore, even my max bet button is gone. They want to get rid of me and achieve that by making my account unusable. If multi-accounting was allowed, they couldn't get rid of me (or not that easy), since I could just open new accounts all the time. This is industry standard and they have all the right to do it. I am ok with it, though it's a bit annoying always I must confess, but nothing I can do.

sportsbet responded to all this literally 24 hrs after the accuser posted.

Hi Guys,

This matter has been discussed on an ongoing basis between the player and our relevant Sportsbook department.

Based on the initial information we had at hand, we decided to lock the account temporarily and contact the player to ask for more information on some matters.

We have asked several questions of the player, on many different email chains. We are not confident in the credibility of the answers vs the information we have at hand.

The decision was made to keep the account closed and refund the customer the difference between the deposits and withdrawals (102mbtc)

On no less than 4 occasions we have requested the customer to provide their nominated bitcoin wallet address so we can send back the money.
these emails date back a couple of weeks, so this is not a new request.

Regardless of the player is happy with the decision of closing their account or not, this is a decision that under the circumstances will not be reversed and the player will have the same amount of money they started with.

Occasion number 5: Neymarjr12: Can you please email back your desired bitcoin wallet address so we can return you the 102 mbtc. This will be done as soon as you send the details.

Thank you for your time all.

In the interest of serving other sportsbet.io customers evenly and fairly, I won't be allocating any more time to this matter. I trust you understand.

regards,

Steve,
Sportsbet.io
(edited)

They further responded even though they have zero obligation to (on a public forum)

Hi All,

Re: neymarjr12:

Our last email to neymarjr12 was sent 20/07/20 once again requesting a wallet address to return the initial deposits too. We have never ignored you and have in fact been prompt and clear in our communication.

We take any accusation extremely seriously and ignoring players is not how we resolve issues. Our history and activity on the forum speaks to that.

The simple matter of the fact here is that our Fraud Team cannot simply expose their methodology for detecting fraud for obvious reasons. When possible we try to show proof but in some cases it's not possible without giving away either sensitive information about the player or about our detection tools.

What we can say publicly is that we have a 100% match and have no doubt that this person was multi-accounting. We use many different tools and techniques in fraud and it’s not as rudimentary as IP matching as some people on the forum have expressed.

However, to be extra sure in this case we also asked this person to undergo KYC, which was not passed.

Given our findings and also our t&cs, we think it’s only fair to return 102 mBTC (deposits minus withdrawals)- something we’ve been trying to do for some time. What we don’t think is fair is to set a precedent of opening up cases publicly, infringing players’ privacy and giving out information which could help others circumvent fraud detection.

We’ve been on the forum since 2016 and since the beginning have tried to act with integrity and fairness. We're so very proud of being part of this community and for being known as a reputable sportsbook in the crypto space and therefore would never do anything to compromise that.


regards,

Steve,
Sportsbet.io

I trust this is enough to get people off my back, I will not comment on this again.

[PrimeNumber7]

I’ve been working with sportsbet for years & consider a number of the guys there as friends.

It is not a good look when you are not only opposing a flag, but using your trust list to exclude anyone who supports a flag against an entity that has employed you "for years".

I see a conflict of interest in your actions.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I’ve been working with sportsbet for years & consider a number of the guys there as friends.

It is not a good look when you are not only opposing a flag, but using your trust list to exclude anyone who supports a flag against an entity that has employed you "for years".

I see a conflict of interest in your actions.

efiliatis & Royse both excluded me first, you’ll see that. It was a bit of an immature retaliation I admit but it annoyed me.

But really last post now, I’m not being charged for murder here. All I have to say on this is in the above post that took me ages to construct.

[Side chain]

Tl;dr who give a dime!

I messaged a few people I know to take a look at the flag & see what they thought but bribery?

Tl;dr who give a dime!

You did not ask them to oppose the flag? Be honest. We have screenshot to prove which will make your situation worse.

Asking them to oppose the flag is helping them to decide their action. This is untrustworthy, this is called manipulating.

I think this should be here: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5486/54869057.html

Thanks LFC_Bitcoin for PMing me on this matter but after carefully scanning some posts here I think I will wait for sportsbet to bring more info to help us making a clear mind before opposing the flag.

What do we get from here?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

You haven’t got shit cryptohunter, I’ve just gone through my PM’s & I absolutely did not tell anybody to oppose the flag. I asked a few people to take a look.

Nice try.

It’s fucking late now, I’m going to bed.

[suchmoon]

Asking them to oppose the flag is helping them to decide their action. This is untrustworthy, this is called manipulating.

Nonsense. There is a whole thread for such requests. Asking to oppose or support a flag is ok.

I'm starting to understand why you're using this sockpuppet account. A good way to test completely asinine throw-shit-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks arguments.

[asche]

You haven’t got shit cryptohunter, I’ve just gone through my PM’s & I absolutely did not tell anybody to oppose the flag. I asked a few people to take a look.

...which is perfectly fine.

I don't think anyone has an issue with that if it's nothing more than asking to take a look at the matter.

But some of it went a bit further, among other things adding perfect newbies to your trust list for the sole apparent purpose of increasing opposition on the flag, or is that a misunderstanding on my end?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

adding perfect newbies to your trust list for the sole apparent purpose of increasing opposition on the flag, or is that a misunderstanding on my end?

I’ve never added a newbie to my trust list, let alone multiple perfect newbies so yes, a misunderstanding on your end.
I added rohang (Member) & then removed him later after thinking he probably isn’t reputable enough to be on my trust list.
Both flags literally have close to zero support, I don’t understand where you’re going with this. If you don’t trust my judgement ~ me but I have nothing else to say on this as I’ve already said. Have a good day, maybe take a look at this thread if you’re struggling for something to do -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264793.0

Your account was locked for multi-accounting amongst other reasons. Support sent you an email requesting that you verify documents. No response on your side to that email.

Pretty similar, no? I don’t see the same level of outrage & interest here though?
No doubt the accuser here is a multi accounting trickster but no interest in this thread?

[efialtis]

adding perfect newbies to your trust list for the sole apparent purpose of increasing opposition on the flag, or is that a misunderstanding on my end?

I’ve never added a newbie to my trust list, let alone multiple perfect newbies so yes, a misunderstanding on your end.
I added rohang (Member) & then removed him later after thinking he probably isn’t reputable enough to be on my trust list.
Both flags literally have close to zero support, I don’t understand where you’re going with this. If you don’t trust my judgement ~ me but I have nothing else to say on this as I’ve already said. Have a good day, maybe take a look at this thread if you’re struggling for something to do -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264793.0

Your account was locked for multi-accounting amongst other reasons. Support sent you an email requesting that you verify documents. No response on your side to that email.

Pretty similar, no? I don’t see the same level of outrage & interest here though?
No doubt the accuser here is a multi accounting trickster but no interest in this thread?

The same? Really? Your judgement indeed can‘t be trusted. I am not going to explain why these cases (at least for now) can‘t be compared at all. Plus - as already mentioned often enough, this very case here has developed into two stories, one being sportsbet's unprofessional handling of the case and two, the hypocrisy when it comes to trust. Other than that - we all know by now how much of a baller you are (Duno how many times I have read that in the last couple of days alone) and that you couldn’t care less - if only your actions would support the second part of my previous sentence.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

efialtis, may I ask your relationship with alani123, just seems a coincidence that a fellow Greek was the first to support your flag?
Probably just a coincidence but hope you didn’t tell him to support your flag?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121796

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=832366;page=iflags

[efialtis]

efialtis, may I ask your relationship with alani123, just seems a coincidence that a fellow Greek was the first to support your flag?
Probably just a coincidence but hope you didn’t tell him to support your flag?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121796

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=832366;page=iflags

You are getting ridiculous man - keep it up But be ready for the truth to come out - shall I post the screenshot with bitcoingirl.club? Shall I share how sportsbet are manipulating users that are taking part in their campaigns? Really?

Instead of acting like a pathetic kid by attacking me once more - how about you explain in which way these cases are similar?! Even you must be realizing that you are avoiding what matters here?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

efialtis, may I ask your relationship with alani123, just seems a coincidence that a fellow Greek was the first to support your flag?
Probably just a coincidence but hope you didn’t tell him to support your flag?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121796

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=832366;page=iflags

You are getting ridiculous man - keep it up But be ready for the truth to come out - shall I post the screenshot with bitcoingirl.club? Shall I share how sportsbet are manipulating users that are taking part in their campaigns? Really?

You’re embarrassing, I’ve got stuff on you but I don’t want to humiliate you in front of the entire forum.

[efialtis]

efialtis, may I ask your relationship with alani123, just seems a coincidence that a fellow Greek was the first to support your flag?
Probably just a coincidence but hope you didn’t tell him to support your flag?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121796

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=832366;page=iflags

You are getting ridiculous man - keep it up But be ready for the truth to come out - shall I post the screenshot with bitcoingirl.club? Shall I share how sportsbet are manipulating users that are taking part in their campaigns? Really?

You’re embarrassing, I’ve got stuff on you but I don’t want to humiliate you in front of the entire forum.

Lol, big fat lol.

[mindrust]

shall I post the screenshot with bitcoingirl.club? Shall I share how sportsbet are manipulating users that are taking part in their campaigns? Really?

Instead of acting like a pathetic kid by attacking me once more - how about you explain in which way these cases are similar?! Even you must be realizing that you are avoiding what matters here?

If you have any information like this and saying "should I do that should I do this", you are only damaging your own reputation by not sharing them.

A straight arrow does not threaten. They just do it.

[efialtis]

shall I post the screenshot with bitcoingirl.club? Shall I share how sportsbet are manipulating users that are taking part in their campaigns? Really?

Instead of acting like a pathetic kid by attacking me once more - how about you explain in which way these cases are similar?! Even you must be realizing that you are avoiding what matters here?

If you have any information like this and saying "should I do that should I do this", you are only damaging your own reputation.

A straight arrow does not threaten. They just do it.

True - and I didn't have / don't have intentions of doing so, even more so since the facts regarding this case are more than enough. Yeah, so that was pretty lame but all the drama here is really starting to f*** my head.

[AB de Royse777]

Asking them to oppose the flag is helping them to decide their action. This is untrustworthy, this is called manipulating.

Nonsense. There is a whole thread for such requests. Asking to oppose or support a flag is ok.

Since there was not anything to hide (I assume) but a straight forward statement of opposing a flag then LFC_Bitcoin could just post it on that topic instead of privately sending it to some of his selective users.

I am interested to hear more in it from LFC_Bitcoin.

LFC_Bitcoin, can you share us the exact text of the PM that you sent to them?

I don't think anyone has an issue with that if it's nothing more than asking to take a look at the matter.

I, too, think it's okay if he requests only to look at the matter, I emphasize on the word "only".

True - and I didn't have / don't have intentions of doing so, even more so since the facts regarding this case are more than enough. Yeah, so that was pretty lame but all the drama here is really starting to f*** my head.

Maybe sharing will help the case we have in here if there are no personal info attached.

[suchmoon]

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I know your heart is in the right place but... you supported a "written contract" flag without there being a violation of a written contract. That alone should be a sufficient reason why there is not enough support for it. Trying to go after LFC_Bitcoin for his PMs just highlights the fact that the you have no solid case. If any recipients feel those PMs were inappropriate they should report them to admin. But there are hundreds of DT members whom LFC_Bitcoin didn't PM and they can still support or oppose the flag unencumbered by whatever bias you suspect here.

[efialtis]

I think I have really said it all in both threads where we are discussing this "case" - I have only tried / I am only trying to do the right thing here with regards to this case while I have personally always had great relations with "the accused", always received my payments on time, always received my withdrawals quickly etc. - turns out you can't do that without being treated like a lamer for some reason I still haven't figured out - I guess that's why I haven't been involved in this forum's politics so far and I should probably keep it that way with respect to my heart and soul, lol.

Nb. I get it that nobody likes "negative" talk but in the end, this whole drama could have been ended many days ago with sportsbet simply stating the exact reason for their action, full stop.

[mindrust]

I am sick and tired of your written contract bullshit suchmoon. No offense.

Where was that written contract of izoomrud&livecoin?

A scam is a scam.

[nutildah]

Where was that written contract of izoomrud&livecoin?

I just checked, that was the Type 2 flag, a "casual or implied agreement".

There are indeed some similarities between that situation and this one.

[suchmoon]

I am sick and tired of your written contract bullshit suchmoon. No offense.

I'm pointing out a potential reason why the flag is lacking support.

Where was that written contract of izoomrud&livecoin?

Livecoin flag is type 2.

A scam is a scam.

Type 3 flag is not about "a scam", it's about a violation of a written contract.

[nutildah]

Type 3 flag is not about "a scam", it's about a violation of a written contract.

To be fair, the Type 3 flag does trigger this language in the warning that hangs over the user's threads:

One or more bitcointalk.org users have reported that they strongly believe that the creator of this topic is a scammer.

With the implied scam being that referenced in the flag's reference thread.

Don't mean to get all TS on you.

[AB de Royse777]

I know your heart is in the right place but... you supported a "written contract" flag without there being a violation of a written contract. That alone should be a sufficient reason why there is not enough support for it.

I was the one who suggested neymarjr12 to create a flag type 3. Now it seems I misguided him, if it really matters the flag type 2 is valid over flag type 3. I will keep my support on the flag type 3 until there is a flag type 2.

Trying to go after LFC_Bitcoin for his PMs just highlights the fact that the you have no solid case.

This is not my case nor LFC_Bitcoin's. This is a case between neymarjr12 and sportsbet.io but some reasoning I see here which are convincing for me to ask for more details that was done in PM because it is relevant in this case and LFC_Bitcoin should not have any reason to hide anything if he has really nothing there that can question him.

If any recipients feel those PMs were inappropriate they should report them to admin.

I am sure they would or will but looking at the easy opposing from the members who opposed the flag so far, and seeing LFC_Bitcoin to add a newbie member account in his trust list which pointed by marlboroza makes this case very uncomfortable for LFC_Bitcoin.

I hope now you will not come up with this that everyone is free to add/remove anyone in their trust list. I already know this that yes one can.

[mindrust]

Type 3 flag is not about "a scam", it's about a violation of a written contract.

So the whole problem here was only the type of the flag?

Are you OK with it if the flag type was right?

[AB de Royse777]

So the whole problem here was only the type of the flag?

No disrespect but I think we need someone to create some Udemy type course about flag things :-P

/s

[suchmoon]

Don't mean to get all TS on you.

I think the text of the flag banner is the same for type 2, 3, and "legacy" negative rating.

I meant not merely a [suspected, alleged, etc] scam (that'd be type 1 flag or negative rating). For type 3 there needs to be a violation of a written contract that resulted in damages. There, now we're ready to join the guild.

So the whole problem here was only the type of the flag?

Are you OK with it if the flag type was right?

Ok with what? I wouldn't support the flag regardless of its type because I think the accuser is full of shit. But that's just my opinion. It's likely that the flag would get more support if it was type 2 and if the accuser got their basic facts right (like the amount of the dispute).

No disrespect but I think we need someone to create some Udemy type course about flag things :-P

/s

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0 (sadly incomplete regarding flags)


(two HRs so that folks above don't take the following personally)

I'm mildly appalled that merely pointing out the basic faults in this is causing so much controversy but that's par for the course with this kindergarten DT driven by toddler emotions.

Another thing I need to point out is all those bitching about Sportsbet's T&Cs can go ahead and red trust them or create a type 1 flag. You don't need a specific complaint for that. If you think that dealing with Sportsbet is high-risk it would be a responsible thing to do.

[mindrust]

How is OP full of shit can you explain?

It is confirmed by the OP and sportsbet.io both, that he is not allowed to withdraw his winnings. Isn't that enough?

edit: you can support or oppose the flag for any reason. I don't oppose or support it neither. I am just wondering your thought process.

edit2: by his winnings, I meant his WINNINGS. I believe that's the correct term.

His deposits = d
His withdrawals = x
His winnings = w

The whole neymarJR  = d + w.

What sportsbet agreed to give is:

d-x

What the OP wants is:

(d-x) + w

Problem?

[AB de Royse777]

It is confirmed by the OP and sportsbet.io both, that he is not allowed to withdraw his winnings. Isn't that enough?

Ah! mindrust!!

The decision was made to keep the account closed and refund the customer the difference between the deposits and withdrawals (102mbtc)

So sportsbet.io decided to give him THE difference between the deposits and withdrawals not the whole. I hope there will be no question about correcting it now.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0 (sadly incomplete regarding flags)

Cheers,

Problem?

Multi-accouting, KYC not passed all these full of shit.

[suchmoon]

How is OP full of shit can you explain?

It is confirmed by the OP and sportsbet.io both, that he is not allowed to withdraw his winnings. Isn't that enough?

edit: you can support or oppose the flag for any reason. I don't oppose or support it neither. I am just wondering your thought process.

I think the accuser is lying. I can't knowingly support a flag based on a lie, regardless how I feel about the fairness of T&Cs and whatnot. Two wrongs and all that.

[hacker1001101001]

Don't mean to get all TS on you.

I think the text of the flag banner is the same for type 2, 3, and "legacy" negative rating.

I meant not merely a [suspected, alleged, etc] scam (that'd be type 1 flag or negative rating). For type 3 there needs to be a violation of a written contract that resulted in damages. There, now we're ready to join the guild.

So, it's looks OK for the so called "emotionally driven DT" to ignore the selective KYC scamming and non verifiable excuses from the accused mergly because the victim is abided by bullshit TOS or even as you said due to a mistake in selecting a correct type of flag.

You are just making the situation more complex by making the victim look confused, rather you could have just instructed him to do the right thing in the first place as Royse777 tried to.

[suchmoon]

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Piss off with your retarded tone complaint. As I stated multiple times already, I think the accuser is full of shit but if they wanted to fix the flag there was nothing stopping them.

[nutildah]

so called "emotionally driven DT"

But really, the "non verifiable excuses from the accused" are a big part of why I can't support the flag.

- You have the OP who claims he submitted proper KYC and has no other accounts.

- You have Sportsbet who claims he didn't submit proper KYC, and he does have other accounts.

Sportsbet doesn't want to give away the recipe of their secret sauce for how they detect multi-accounting, not because they are shady a-holes but because if they did it would be all the easier for future cheaters to avoid getting caught.

Now, some people may just think that's an excuse to not have to pay out the BTC in question, but I think that if they had any doubt in their mind they could be wrong about what happened, they would just pay it out as its a trivial amount for them.

Then you have people coming in left and right trying to stir up a big drama for whatever reason among the DT, which isn't cool. Accusations of vote manipulation and so forth won't lead to a resolution, as our feeble system of democracy is the only thing we've got..

Just don't play at Sportsbet if you don't trust them: problem solved. Fighting hard to activate what could very well be an unjust flag (given Sportbet's longstanding reputation) isn't a viable solution. What the vocal proponents of the flag think they are doing "for the greater good" might not necessarily be so, and not everybody has to share their opinion.

Not much more to say on the situation until new info comes to light.

[asche]

So what now?

If the author of the flag made a mistake in choosing type 3, and can't change it to type 2, he should give up any chance of flagging an account?

Thanks for bringing it. It says "each type" which should mean that neymarjr12 can create a type 2 since he has not created a type 2 yet.

Yes.

But someone else with linking archived proof by creating a thread can create a new flag type if anyone feels the necessity.

I would advise against that. Type 2/3 flags should be created by someone who is a party to the contract and suffered damages.

@OP why not just create a flag 2 type, I think the one thing most people agree here is that it is the best suited to describe the issue faced.

so called "emotionally driven DT"

Sportsbet doesn't want to give away the recipe of their secret sauce for how they detect multi-accounting, not because they are shady a-holes but because if they did it would be all the easier for future cheaters to avoid getting caught.

What about telling why or how he failed KYC? Don't think this would give away any of their 'secret sauce'.

And regarding multi-accounting as a whole, it's not that difficult lol, I doubt you need any secret sauce to have an effective system that flags suspected accounts (and I'm talking from experience here).

Not saying it makes them shady, but they really look nosy and look pretty sure that they can treat customers however they want without any consequence. In the real world this is how you loose market shares/customers.
Looks like we didn't reach that business maturity yet, and that's why they don't give a shit.

So just imagine a moment their "black box" or "secret sauce" or however you call it tags you falsely for multi accounting, and gives them ground to refuses payment of a few thousand bucks, wouldn't you want a chance to defend yourself on the matter in a civilized manner? I would. And that's why I'm concerned.

If the accuser is just another lamer/scammer, just show it. It's not that difficult ffs.

Then again if the accuser actually knew he was in the wrong, I don't see why he would stir shit up and not just accept the repayment from SP.

Today the ball (if you will) is in SP's court. And I would really want them to put an end to that story, one way or the other!

[nutildah]

(and I'm talking from experience here).

With all due respect I really don't see any indications that you are. It's quite easy to envision a scenario where they don't want to reveal exactly how they determined the player was multi-accounting, because if they did then scammers would realize "Oh, they look for those kind of things, I'll have to find a way around this."

The KYC ID process is likely tied into this, but there's a small chance that its not. I think it would be great if Sportsbet wanted to expand on their findings and clarify the situation here, but even if they don't, I'm not going to be supporting any flags against them based on this issue.

In the real world this is how you loose market shares/customers.

They do hundreds of millions of dollars of business every year and have been at it for four years -- they are as "real world" as they come. Their business isn't exactly hurting, either.

So just imagine a moment their "black box" or "secret sauce" or however you call it tags you falsely for multi accounting, and gives them ground to refuses payment of a few thousand bucks, wouldn't you want a chance to defend yourself on the matter in a civilized manner?

Of course, and they did. In my very first post on this issue I mentioned that perhaps it was a false positive and that no sportsbook is perfect in that regard. However, what it boils down to is we don't really know one way or the other, and if you want to take a newbie account's word over theirs on the issue, well, that's up to you. Just don't expect others to follow suit. If suddenly a bunch of similar complaints started appearing in the future, perhaps I'd be more inclined to think otherwise.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Since I've been tagged by OP I'll chime in, but I am not going to get sucked in to the back and forth drama.


In terms of the actual case:

There was a similar case a few weeks ago with bitcasino.io, where a user was not allowed to withdraw his winnings, and bitcasino.io stated that the user was using multiple accounts. They clearly spelt out their reasoning behind this statement in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260832.msg54754514#msg54754514. They also said something quite relevant to this case:

We know however that our community here requires something more tangible than simply our word.

Given that Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io are owned by the same company, I see no reason why one arm would be willing to spell out how they came to a match, while the other says they cannot expose their methodology.

As far as I am concerned, although I do not believe Sportsbet.io are scammers in this situation based on the evidence presented so far, it does not paint them in a good light that they are unwilling to offer any proof for their side of the story.


In terms of LFC_Bitcoin:

I did not receive any PM, and I have not seen its contents, but from what I can surmise based on this thread, then I have no issue with it.

DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.

Given what theymos has said here, coupled with the fact that theymos himself sent out PMs asking other users to exclude a user from their trust lists, I see no issue with sending a PM asking other users to review a flag.

[PrimeNumber7]

Given that Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io are owned by the same company,

This is not obvious to me, and if this is true, I would have viewed statements by several people in both threads very differently.

It appears those who are defending SP the loudest are being paid by one of these two websites (it may be more if anyone commenting have sock puppets receiving payment), including one person who is making the nonsensical argument that what SB did amounts to “declining to do business” with someone they had accepted bets from.

I get that the economy is not good right now, but if you are advertising for a company who is engaging in shady behavior, the right thing to do is to stop advertising for said company, not to shill for the company.

[Side chain]

I’ve just gone through my PM’s & I absolutely did not tell anybody to oppose the flag. I asked a few people to take a look.

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5486/54869057.html

Thanks LFC_Bitcoin for PMing me on this matter but after carefully scanning some posts here I think I will wait for sportsbet to bring more info to help us making a clear mind before opposing the flag.

Then why BitcoinGirl was saying about opposing the flag?

Nonsense. There is a whole thread for such requests. Asking to oppose or support a flag is ok.

How it is nonsense?

The two methods are not looking same.

...which is perfectly fine.

Not perfectly fine because he was asking to oppose the flag. Read the response his Wall Observer friend which he cut off.
Why he cut off something if there were no reason?

I’ve never added a newbie to my trust list, let alone multiple perfect newbies so yes, a misunderstanding on your end.

A user with no record of feedback activity but only one sent to SB and member rank with no interest in the forum who has not made any reputation is very close to newbie account, even if that was a Full member account.

I added rohang (Member) & then removed him later after thinking he probably isn’t reputable enough to be on my trust list.

You did not think but caught red handed.

> Feedback left on July 23 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264620.msg54873718#msg54873718
> 7/24/2020 9:34:05 PM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 trusts rohang DT2
> July 26, 2020, 11:47:25 AM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264620.msg54873718#msg54873718
> 7/26/2020 1:54:07 PM   DT2 selection   LFC_Bitcoin DT1 no longer trusts rohang
https://bpip.org/TrustLog

Your arguments are very fake.
> You sent PM to your friends and asked to oppose a flag to save your employer
> You added users with no history to your trust list so that their feedback show as DT and reflects on the flag opposition

Clear?

efialtis, may I ask your relationship with alani123, just seems a coincidence that a fellow Greek was the first to support your flag?

Surprised to know your level of intellectual and defending methods but Good laugh LAMO

You’re embarrassing, I’ve got stuff on you but I don’t want to humiliate you in front of the entire forum.

I see your being humiliated here not efialtis.

LFC_Bitcoin, can you share us the exact text of the PM that you sent to them?

I do not think he will. He proved he has very low level of IQ and a pathetic liar. Better ask BitcoinGirl. I hope he will co-operate, he immediately addressed his mistake and apologized to efialtis.

DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.

Given what theymos has said here, coupled with the fact that theymos himself sent out PMs asking other users to exclude a user from their trust lists, I see no issue with sending a PM asking other users to review a flag.

Except he asked to oppose the flag to save his employer again please see the response from his friend which he cut off. I am sure that will be an issue for you. Thank you for your input.

I am very sure that LFC_bitcoin is a liar and lying:

I messaged a few people I know to take a look at the flag & see what they thought

Can you ask BitcoinGirl, El duderino_ and others those oppose the flag and working for SP and Bitcasino?

[suchmoon]

How it is nonsense?

The two methods are not looking same.

I'm not talking about "methods". Asking to oppose or support a flag is not a problem, be it a thread or a PM, as long as it doesn't break other rules - like spamming. Refusing to do so is also fine, as we can see in BitcoinGirl's response. You're trying to create new rules that don't make any sense. We do need more DT members and other users to weigh in on disputes like that, not less.

[Side chain]

I'm not talking about "methods". Asking to oppose or support a flag is not a problem, be it a thread or a PM, as long as it doesn't break other rules - like spamming. Refusing to do so is also fine, as we can see in BitcoinGirl's response. You're trying to create new rules that don't make any sense. We do need more DT members and other users to weigh in on disputes like that, not less.

Why make it private while we already have an open thread for asking support or oppose a flag? Why to some selective friends but not to general to everyone?

Can we ask LFC_bitcoin, BitcoinGirl to share the message, BitcoinGirl already talked about receiving PM and LFC_bitcoin admitted of sending PMs to some users.
We are interested to know what was in there that bought oppose to the flag from people who had no contribution in the topic but opposed the flag? We want to be sure that LFC_bitcoin did not tell them anything that create an alert but "take a look at the flag".

Or we just believe LFC_bitcoin and BitcoinGirl that LFC_bitcoin said, "take a look at the flag" like we believe that SP is a highly reputed sportsbet and they will not scam anyone. This will be ironic.

[Pffrt]

Asking to oppose or support a flag is not a problem, be it a thread or a PM, as long as it doesn't break other rules - like spamming.

As you pointed above, there is a single thread of asking for supporting or opposing flags. That something good as a community. Community should be stand together to save the community member. I don't know what exactly LFC sent to some users but if he had sent PM to influence the flag, not as he said to look over, that's something not good. Anyway, I don't think a respected user like LFC could be spamming other inbox and try to influence them to oppose the flag.
Why not we make a request to share the PM by Bitcoingirl.club, @sidechain? I think you should PM him to share the PM if you think LFC was trying to censor anything here.

[Side chain]

Asking to oppose or support a flag is not a problem, be it a thread or a PM, as long as it doesn't break other rules - like spamming.

As you pointed above, there is a single thread of asking for supporting or opposing flags. That something good as a community. Community should be stand together to save the community member. I don't know what exactly LFC sent to some users but if he had sent PM to influence the flag, not as he said to look over, that's something not good. Anyway, I don't think a respected user like LFC could be spamming other inbox and try to influence them to oppose the flag.
Why not we make a request to share the PM by Bitcoingirl.club, @sidechain? I think you should PM him to share the PM if you think LFC was trying to censor anything here.

I do not know if LFC is trying to censor anything in here but moves coming from LFC and the other facts are not very good to believe that he said to take a look. He defiantly said to Oppose the flag and said it to some selective friends and dealt in private.

If LFC and some other reputed members are not giving me any value of my words then why Bitcoingirl.club will? May be some of your reputed members can request both LFC and Bitcoingirl.club to share the exact messages.

[suchmoon]

Can we ask LFC_bitcoin, BitcoinGirl to share the message

You can ask and you can be told to fuck right off... how is it any of your business? If BitcoinGirl considers the message to be offensive or otherwise inappropriate they can complain to admins, or complain publicly or reply to LFC's PM accordingly or whatever they choose to do. Some random troll demanding to see someone's PM to spin it into something incriminating is quite pathetic.

~

Same here. Why? What are you after?

[PrimeNumber7]

The trust and flag system is meant to be political and is political in nature. I would expect PMs to be sent to lobby support or opposition to flags. I think anyone complaining about a person sending PMs trying to lobby support is trying to gin up trouble.

I still have concerns about various conflicts of interest, but that someone send a personal message does nothing to change my stance.

[Side chain]

You can ask and you can be told to fuck right off...

They will easily say it to me but not you and other reputed users.

Some random troll demanding

This is the problem with this community. Ego!
When accounts are established they think community owe them and is correct whatever they say. They become so fat with Ego that when a low rank account wants to justify anything they simply hammer them with their big ass.

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

to see someone's PM to spin it into something incriminating is quite pathetic.

Why would you think so? Because this is a low value account?

[suchmoon]

You can ask and you can be told to fuck right off...

They will easily say it to me but not you and other reputed users.

Some random troll demanding

This is the problem with this community. Ego!
When accounts are established they think community owe them and is correct whatever they say. They become so fat with Ego that when a low rank account wants to justify anything they simply hammer them with their big ass.

So which is it? Reputed or fat with ego? See that's the peril of using a sockpuppet account. You can't have it both ways. Stop pretending like you're being discriminated against if you're unable to stand behind your words and actions.

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

to see someone's PM to spin it into something incriminating is quite pathetic.

Why would you think so? Because this is a low value account?

No, actually that would apply even if LoyceV demanded to publish that PM.

I see no reason for that since there is no aggrieved party in that PM exchange and you have clearly shown that you have a grudge against LFC_Bitcoin.

[Side chain]

So which is it? Reputed or fat with ego?

Nothing here to make conversation. It is when they become reputed they think the community owe them. Don't you see how you, LFC are treating me with your offensive words? I apologize for using big ass words.

I see no reason for that since there is no aggrieved party in that PM exchange and you have clearly shown that you have a grudge against LFC_Bitcoin.

You easily made this justification but don't find anything wrong with LFC_bitcoin even with the evidences. post 1 post 2

Everything is looking fine in your judgement because LFC_bitcoin is a reputed member and this is an account with no history even when references are attached against LFC_bitcoins recent activities. You can simply ask him and BitcoinGirl to be transparent without making this conversation any longer. Buy you won't because you feel an alt account is demanding you. This proves the Ego you built up over the years and perhaps you consider the community owe you.

Fine, I will ask LFC_bitcoin and BitcoinGirl.

I wanted to PM LFC_bitcoin but I get this message
https://prnt.sc/tphhl5

User 'LFC_Bitcoin' has not chosen to allow messages from newbies. You should post in their relevant thread to remind them to enable this setting.

So this was the message

Please look at this post and this post. I hope you will not mind sharing the PM or PMs you sent to BitcoinGirl. A screen-cast will be very appropriate to make it real.

Thank you. God bless you.

I hope LFC_bitcoin address this.

Now my try for BitcoinGirl.

[suchmoon]

I see no reason for that since there is no aggrieved party in that PM exchange and you have clearly shown that you have a grudge against LFC_Bitcoin.

You easily made this justification

It's a statement of fact.

Let me offer you a deal. PM me from your real account. If you're not a shit-stirring troll that I think you are, I'll ask LFC_Bitcoin to publish his PM. He'll probably tell me to fuck off but I'll make an honest good faith effort on your behalf. Let's put your fat ego bullshit to test.

[Side chain]

Let me offer you a deal. PM me from your real account. If you're not a shit-stirring troll that I think you are, I'll ask LFC_Bitcoin to publish his PM. He'll probably tell me to fuck off but I'll make an honest good faith effort on your behalf. Let's put your fat ego bullshit to test.

I do not see how this is connected with asking LFC_bitcoin to publish his PM. Give me a solid reason please.

I already gave my explanation of taking this path of staying anonymous.

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

You are into testing me, how about I give you some clue?
1. I am one of the user who is common in your and LFC_bitcoin's trust list. Test starts now.
2. I am not CH that you are thinking

[suchmoon]

Let me offer you a deal. PM me from your real account. If you're not a shit-stirring troll that I think you are, I'll ask LFC_Bitcoin to publish his PM. He'll probably tell me to fuck off but I'll make an honest good faith effort on your behalf. Let's put your fat ego bullshit to test.

I do not see how this is connected with asking LFC_bitcoin to publish his PM. Give me a solid reason please.

Just offering to show you that "[t]hey will easily say it to me but not you and other reputed users" is likely false - on the off chance that you are indeed a normal person for some inexplicable reason pretending to be a disgruntled troll. But I guess not. Carry on with your quest.

[DireWolfM14]

I can't believe this thread has gotten so much attention.  It's nothing but an obvious attempt at trolling DT members who disagree with you.  If you were at all confident in your position then you would have posted all this drudge from your main account.  Which brings up the question; who's the real "sell-out?"  The member who calls balls and strikes like he sees them, from his main account, or the cowardly member who refuses to address controversial issues with his main account to prevent being "black-listed" by other campaign managers?

In all honesty, until you called me out and I went to check the spreadsheet, I wasn't even sure that I was still on Sportsbet.io's payroll.  I sent a PM to the campaign manager on May 9th informing him that I would likely be too busy to comply with the minimum post requirement for that week, and possibly subsequent weeks.  I also told him that if he felt I was no longer supporting the campaign as needed, to feel free removing me.

Now back to the subject at hand; how many shit-stirring newbies do get on this forum compared to honest, long-standing, legitimate businesses?  How much support has the forum and the bitcoin community received from these newbies compared to this specific legitimate business?  Sportsbet.io has exposed the bitcoin logo to millions of Soccer fans, they didn't have to do that, they could just as easily had their own logo on Watford's sleeves.  All anyone has to do is spend just a few days following their official thread to know what kind of people they are.  They care about this community, they care about bitcoin, and they obviously care about their customers.  I say this as someone who doesn't gamble, and generally speaking I have no love for casinos as a whole.  

As for the accuser, I'm convinced he's a liar.  The way he constructs his sentences and the use of certain phrases that are only common to native English speakers make it very hard for me to believe he's using a translator (like he claims.)  So yeah, I think he's full of shit.

I'm astonished at the reasoning of a few members in this particular case.  On one hand we have the word of a well established business with a long history and reputation of supporting our community, while on the other hand we have the word of a shady newbie, insisting he be compensated more than he deposited.  Is it really that hard to understand why I would choose to side with sportsbet.io in this situation?

I do acknowledge that the question remains; why isn't sportsbet.io divulging more information about the detection and suspicion of the accuser's cheating?  I don't know, but I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and surmise they have a good reason.  Not because I'm wearing their signature, because they've earned it.  As others have noted Bitcasino.io recently had a similar accusation and provided information to the community, so it only stands to reason that their sister company has similar methods of detecting cheaters.  But that's not to say it's the only method of detection, or that the cheaters were using the same methods to defraud the system.  Maybe there is more to the story, maybe one of their methods is insufficient and only partially effective, and this user found a way to navigate around it.  Divulging their detection method for this situation may inadvertently expose a vulnerability that they want to fix before they provide more information.  That seems like enough speculation, I'm sure you get the point.

[mindrust]

You are into testing me, how about I give you some clue?
1. I am one of the user who is common in your and LFC_bitcoin's trust list. Test starts now.
2. I am not CH that you are thinking

How about a game?

yogg
hilariousandco
owlcatz
minerjones
SyGambler
bones261
LoyceV
DarkStar_
eddie13
o_e_l_e_o
TheBeardedBaby
DireWolfM14

Who is this backstabbing coward?   Since I can't really pick a guess someone from that list, I'll go with CH too. Or is this I dunno, DarkStar?

LoyceV is pretty sneaky and suspicious too. With all that Switzerland Imma neutral thick skin shiet.

[suchmoon]

Who is this backstabbing coward? 

The backstabbing coward didn't say that both I and LFC_Bitcoin trust him/her/it. More likely it's one of the ~ entries, or just a lie to begin with.

[mindrust]

1. I am one of the user who is common in your and LFC_bitcoin's trust list.

The backstabbing coward didn't say that both I and LFC_Bitcoin trust him/her/it. More likely it's one of the ~ entries, or just a lie to begin with.

Interesting. Somehow I thought it as a + entry immediately. You do have a point. Then what's the point of saying this line, fu side_chain. Distrusting you now. I thought It was going to be fun.

You violated a written! contract. You promised us a fun game.

[suchmoon]

You violated a written! contract. You promised us a fun game.

Maybe it was "sarcasm". Like lying about reasons for sockpuppeting:

Easy guess of me posting from an alt. I don't want to be blacklisted by yahoo of course. Call me coward, I have nothing to lose from this alt.

It wud hv been better had u commented from your main account. Obviously you are scared or have some sinister motive

If I have the access of my main account then I would of course (the coward things was a sarcasm by the way, there are no blacklisting or such thing.). I can assure you that there are no sinister motive. I am talking because I feel like it's need to be talked and anyone can take my move from any dimension.

I have no financial interest here but anything to care about the forum affairs which looks wrong.

I already gave my explanation of taking this path of staying anonymous.

I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

How dare we not trust lying noobtrolls.

[mindrust]

I didn't check this account's registration date before. (side chain) It has quite a history it seems. Looks like It was a shitty one too.

I am not interested in what LFC did with PM's in this thread. So far I didn't see anything enough to distrust him but I surely didn't like him to side with the casino immediately neither. (without listening to the both sides of the story) That is not how a DT member should act. That's all I have to say about him.

[AjdinS]

I know people won't care because I don't have hero member badge but changing your trust settings just after someone supports a company that directly pays you, reflects wrong behavior and one should not be in DT1 if they are so biased towards a particular sportsbook.

[LoyceV]

No, actually that would apply even if LoyceV demanded to publish that PM.

LoyceV is pretty sneaky and suspicious too. With all that Switzerland Imma neutral thick skin shiet.

What did I do

[suchmoon]

What did I do

We just thought you look too clean so decided to sling some mud your way.

[JollyGood]

~snip~

I would like Suchmoon, LoyceV, Lauda, Jollygood, hilariousandco, The Pharmacist, Avirunes, owlcatz, Lutpin, TheUltraElite, Hhampuz,  teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, YOSHIE, Yahoo, Little Mouse, Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS, big_daddy, bL4nkcode, lovesmayfamilis, cryptoaddictchie, witcher_sense, notblox1, Alex_Sr  and all those good forum users to look at the case we have here.

I wish marlboroza was online.

(Edited)

My name was mentioned in the OP so I decided to make a post here:

- I did not receive a PM from LFC_Bitcoin about this subject
- I did not receive payment from Sportsbet

~

Piss off with your retarded tone complaint. As I stated multiple times already, I think the accuser is full of shit but if they wanted to fix the flag there was nothing stopping them.

hacker1001101001 is a pathetic troll who just cannot help but poke his head inside threads to create division but refuses to post in the thread that exposed his multi-accounts to answer questions put to him: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.msg54743154#msg54743154

~

~snip~

Trying to go after LFC_Bitcoin for his PMs just highlights the fact that the you have no solid case. If any recipients feel those PMs were inappropriate they should report them to admin. But there are hundreds of DT members whom LFC_Bitcoin didn't PM and they can still support or oppose the flag unencumbered by whatever bias you suspect here.

You rightly pointed out just going after LFC_Bitcoin on the basis of alleged PMs is proof there is no solid case against him. When there is a whole thread about supporting/opposing flags why would alleged sending of PMs make this even be considered an issue?: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.0

~snip~

As for the accuser, I'm convinced he's a liar.  The way he constructs his sentences and the use of certain phrases that are only common to native English speakers make it very hard for me to believe he's using a translator (like he claims.)  So yeah, I think he's full of shit.

I'm astonished at the reasoning of a few members in this particular case.  On one hand we have the word of a well established business with a long history and reputation of supporting our community, while on the other hand we have the word of a shady newbie, insisting he be compensated more than he deposited.  Is it really that hard to understand why I would choose to side with sportsbet.io in this situation?

I agree with you there does seem to be more to this than meets the eye and the amount being contested is tiny. As LFC_Bitcoin mentioned in an earlier post, why would a company turning over multi-million USD$ per year scam a user over such a tiny amount? 

[mindrust]

why would a company turning over multi-million USD$ per year scam a user over such a tiny amount? 

For the same reason why livecoin didn't let izoomrud to withdraw his coins. (yes again with that livecoin shit)

I don't get this angle "why would a big company like this would ruin themselves for pennies?"

THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME!

[suchmoon]

For the same reason why livecoin didn't let izoomrud to withdraw his coins. (yes again with that livecoin shit)

I don't get this angle "why would a big company like this would ruin themselves for pennies?"

Wasn't pennies for Livecoin. With XMR and MONA losses they were likely insolvent so they punted the loss to users. Essentially they didn't have the coins, they were trading fakes and eventually removed the markets altogether.


The Sportsbet accusation still hasn't been updated with the correct amount, let alone the correct flag type, even though the accuser is definitely aware of the issues. So far it looks like they are more interested in a trolljob rather than a proper complaint.

[mindrust]

For the same reason why livecoin didn't let izoomrud to withdraw his coins. (yes again with that livecoin shit)

I don't get this angle "why would a big company like this would ruin themselves for pennies?"

Wasn't pennies for Livecoin.

I forgot what was the amount for livecoin but as far as I know we are talking about like a couple grands here don't we?

Which is still bigger than pennies. Peanuts maybe.  

[mindrust]

Here is another angle, to show that the amount is not really important.

Roger Ver doxed his client for what, 35 bucks?

Yes he did that.

[suchmoon]

Here is another angle, to show that the amount is not really important.

Roger Ver doxed his client for what, 35 bucks?

Yes he did that.

Many moons ago someone PAID 10 BTC for my dox just to spite me so... people do stupid irrational shit all the time but that's false equivalence. Sportsbet is not Livecoin and it's not Roger Jesus Ver. Reputation matters. Consequently if Sportsbet is perceived as mishandling this accusation then their reputation may suffer and next time something like this comes up they will have less benefit of the doubt. As of now they are generally perceived as unlikely to scam a quarter of a bitcoin.

[JollyGood]

Ok point taken, there have been several complaints about giants of the betting world scamming users and blaming it on breaches of ToS which at minimal seem petty and at maximal seem harsh to say the least.

On a side note I have no idea what happened with izoomrud and livecoin but I might try to dig around to see what the background was.

why would a company turning over multi-million USD$ per year scam a user over such a tiny amount?  

For the same reason why livecoin didn't let izoomrud to withdraw his coins. (yes again with that livecoin shit)

I don't get this angle "why would a big company like this would ruin themselves for pennies?"

THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME!

[DireWolfM14]

For the same reason why livecoin didn't let izoomrud to withdraw his coins. (yes again with that livecoin shit)

I don't get this angle "why would a big company like this would ruin themselves for pennies?"

Wasn't pennies for Livecoin. With XMR and MONA losses they were likely insolvent so they punted the loss to users. Essentially they didn't have the coins, they were trading fakes and eventually removed the markets altogether.

Not to mention the predatory language in Livecoin's terms of service.  IIRC it was something to the effect of "if you complain about us in public, we get to keep all your money."  There's nothing of that sort in Sportsbet's terms and conditions.

[mindrust]

How is OP full of shit can you explain?

It is confirmed by the OP and sportsbet.io both, that he is not allowed to withdraw his winnings. Isn't that enough?

edit: you can support or oppose the flag for any reason. I don't oppose or support it neither. I am just wondering your thought process.

I think the accuser is lying. I can't knowingly support a flag based on a lie, regardless how I feel about the fairness of T&Cs and whatnot. Two wrongs and all that.

Let's get back to this part.

You think neymarjr is lying... because...

Hmm... let me guess...

Because you believe this whole shit is some kind of hoax artificially made up by some sportsbet.io haters?

Was I close?

[suchmoon]

Was I close?

No.

[JollyGood]

All that Livecoin thing passed me by but thankfully I was sent a PM with some links that shed some light on what was going on during that time, I will be reading up on it. If Livecoin basically stated those types of things in their ToS then they should have been pulled up on it from day one.

Not to mention the predatory language in Livecoin's terms of service.  IIRC it was something to the effect of "if you complain about us in public, we get to keep all your money."  There's nothing of that sort in Sportsbet's terms and conditions.

[Side chain]

Thanks bro BitcoinGirl.Club!
You really need to ship this T-shirt 


https://streamable.com/7w307k

https://prnt.sc/tswrv9
https://prnt.sc/tsws00
https://prnt.sc/tsws74
https://prnt.sc/tswsar
https://prnt.sc/tswslg
https://prnt.sc/tswss2


Good bye.

[hacker1001101001]

Thanks bro BitcoinGirl.Club!
You really need to ship this T-shirt  


https://streamable.com/7w307k

https://prnt.sc/tswrv9
https://prnt.sc/tsws00
https://prnt.sc/tsws74
https://prnt.sc/tswsar
https://prnt.sc/tswslg
https://prnt.sc/tswss2


Good bye.

What an shit head. I already knew the PMs were not only about taking a look. But another gem in DT1. I don't know how anyone would still believe the whole thing is not corrupted.

You haven’t got shit cryptohunter, I’ve just gone through my PM’s & I absolutely did not tell anybody to oppose the flag. I asked a few people to take a look.

Nice work boy !

[LFC_Bitcoin]

There’s nothing in those PM’s that I’m bothered about. What am I supposed to be arsed about?

One thing I’m bothered about is BitcoinGirl.Club breaking my trust & sending PM’s to a newbie troll. Why, because he asked? Did he pay BitcoinGirl.Club for them? Why would you send a noob troll PM’s?
I sent this guy money once before for his daughter. Absolutely pathetic, how dare you.

[mindrust]

I fucked it up man, imma keep ma mouth shut. Sorry mate

...proceeds to record his PM's on a video and posts in the forum...

wtf. That's some unethical shit.

There’s nothing in those PM’s that I’m bothered about. What am I supposed to be arsed about?

One thing I’m bothered about is BitcoinGirl.Club breaking my trust & sending PM’s to a newbie troll. Why, because he asked? Did he pay BitcoinGirl.Club for them? Why would you send a noob troll PM’s?
You fucking piece of shit, immigrant dirt eater. I sent this dick head money once before for his daughter. Absolutely pathetic cuckold, how dare you.

I can't say that the last line was classy neither.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I fucked it up man, imma keep ma mouth shut. Sorry mate

...proceeds to record his PM's on a video and posts in the forum...

wtf. That's some unethical shit.

Especially when I sent his bastard child money, unbelievable. I’ve just read through my correspondence with him & he was panicking about Side Chain being angry at him if he didn’t send him all the PM’s.

What a loser.

[mindrust]

Pamoldar you fuck.


(sorry i had to)

[o_e_l_e_o]

It's worth pointing out that BitcoinGirl.Club's password was reset via email just over 1 hour before the above post by Side chain.

Not sure if significant or relevant.

[mindrust]

He may forge a story...

"I WAS HACKED"

[hilariousetc]

It's worth pointing out that BitcoinGirl.Club's password was reset via email just over 1 hour before the above post by Side chain.

Not sure if significant or relevant.

First thing I thought when I saw that that it may have been compromised.

He may forge a story...

"I WAS HACKED"

I suppose it is plausible it was hacked, though I guess both scenarios are. I'm not sure why BitcoinGirl.Club would expose this to a newbie though. Why would he do that's and what's in it for him, especially when I thought those two were pals at least? He just spammed a PM to 14+ people as well which seems odd and is asking for trouble if someone reports it.

[JollyGood]

With the password being reset there could be more to this story than meets the eye but it would be highly convenient that it happened in and around the time you were being harassed and targeted by the anti-Sportsbet brigade.

One possibility could be screen-sharing using a teamviewer type of software which the OP recorded without consent or knowledge.
 

There’s nothing in those PM’s that I’m bothered about. What am I supposed to be arsed about?

One thing I’m bothered about is BitcoinGirl.Club breaking my trust & sending PM’s to a newbie troll. Why, because he asked? Did he pay BitcoinGirl.Club for them? Why would you send a noob troll PM’s?
You fucking piece of shit, immigrant dirt eater. I sent this dick head money once before for his daughter. Absolutely pathetic cuckold, how dare you.

[mindrust]

Here is what's wrong with the "i was hacked" story:

If somebody gets your pass and logs in to your account, you don't get a warning email as far as I know.

So there is absolutely no reason to change the original owner's password. The hacker can collect his data silently and the original owner won't notice anything unless he checks his IP logs.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I doubt it’s hacked, he was speaking to me about how worried he was about making Side Chain angry. He was panicking Side Chain is an alt of a highly respected account. He’s either ratted me out, sold the account to Side Chain or faked a hack. All three possibilities are disgusting.

Very disappointed, not about the PM’s because there's nothing there I didn’t publicly admit any way. I’m disappointed in the break of trust of somebody I half considered a friend.

[mindrust]

He panic sold his friend.

I know panic selling anything fucks you in the long run. Brings me memories.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Here is what's wrong with the "i was hacked" story:

This is true if someone hacks your account directly. If they hack the associated email then the only way to then access your account is to reset the password via email.

[JollyGood]

Be wary of these so-called cyber friends. Most are here in the forum to make money off signature campaigns or by any other means. I see 99.9999% of them as nothing but pixels on a screen but I do have respect for a handful of users that have ethics and morals and it is not just about signature campaigns for them.

I have no idea why you would consider BitcoinGirl.Club a friend. I remember reading some posts about you meeting some users in person and you vouched for them but did you ever meet BitcoinGirl.Club?

I doubt it’s hacked, he was speaking to me about how worried he was about making Side Chain angry. He was panicking Side Chain is an alt of a highly respected account. He’s either ratted me out, sold the account to Side Chain or faked a hack. All three possibilities are disgusting.

Very disappointed, not about the PM’s because there's nothing there I didn’t publicly admit any way. I’m disappointed in the break of trust of somebody I half considered a friend.

[mindrust]

bitcointalk is a solo game.

This is a fact.

Life is a solo game most of the time.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Be wary of these so-called cyber friends. Most are here in the forum to make money off signature campaigns or by any other means. I see 99.9999% of them as nothing but pixels on a screen but I do have respect for a handful of users that have ethics and morals and it is not just about signature campaigns for them.

I have no idea why you would consider BitcoinGirl.Club a friend. I remember reading some posts about you meeting some users in person and you vouched for them but did you ever meet BitcoinGirl.Club?

I doubt it’s hacked, he was speaking to me about how worried he was about making Side Chain angry. He was panicking Side Chain is an alt of a highly respected account. He’s either ratted me out, sold the account to Side Chain or faked a hack. All three possibilities are disgusting.

Very disappointed, not about the PM’s because there's nothing there I didn’t publicly admit any way. I’m disappointed in the break of trust of somebody I half considered a friend.

I’ve met maybe 10 people off here, all I consider friends. I’m even going to a wedding of one later this year. I was wrong to trust BitcoinGirl.Club. Ironically he’s come out of this worse then me, idiot.

[Timelord2067]

It's worth pointing out that BitcoinGirl.Club's password was reset via email just over 1 hour before the above post by Side chain.

Not sure if significant or relevant.

BitcoinGirl.Club changes their password fairly regularly, so they'd be hard pressed to claim their account was hacked (or sold for that matter)

He may forge a story...

"I WAS HACKED"

And I was one of the ones Pamoldar sent that PM to.

[mindrust]

As you see his regular password changes never happened in 2019 and 2020 and the last pass change was via email unlike the others.

That's weird.

[JollyGood]

This is true but even when groups and gangs are formed they seem to be based on some form of mutual trust. I really do not like the behind-the-scenes- politics that goes on in the forum.

bitcointalk is a solo game.

This is a fact.

Life is a solo game most of the time.

[adam0991]

There’s nothing in those PM’s that I’m bothered about. What am I supposed to be arsed about?

One thing I’m bothered about is BitcoinGirl.Club breaking my trust & sending PM’s to a newbie troll. Why, because he asked? Did he pay BitcoinGirl.Club for them? Why would you send a noob troll PM’s?
You fucking piece of shit, immigrant dirt eater. I sent this dick head money once before for his daughter. Absolutely pathetic cuckold, how dare you.

“Immigrant dirt eater”. Wow seems like you’re the piece of shit with comments like that.

Also congrats on being revealed as a sportsbet and bitcasino paid rep. Very sad to drop to that level, players have a hard enough time trying to be fairly treated on cases without having users who just oppose all flags because they are being paid.

OP was right

[marlboroza]

BitcoinGirl.Club changes their password fairly regularly, so they'd be hard pressed to claim their account was hacked (or sold for that matter)

Bitcoingirl.club AKA Pamoldar was already mentioned in the past as one of farming accounts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662330                                          Pamoldar

Anyway, it doesn't sound like real account owner sent messages:

This is beyond my expectation! [...],BitcoinGirl.Club, [...], [...] are protecting sportsbet.io secretly.

It's beyond bitcoingirl's expectation that bitcoingirl protects sportsbet? Wth?
I tagged account, I won't break my head over this too much.

[JollyGood]

Who is the real user behind this alt-account? Does anybody have any ideas?

- all DT opposition is receiving payment from SB. I'm not saying, receiving SP doesn't allow you to have an opinion, but 100% is alarming.

If we're talking about the flag - that's not true, unless you know something I don't. rdbase has a bustadice signature and El duderino_ doesn't have a paid signature.

May be because of my alt account you are not taking my posts in account and missing information. I hope I posted it from my main account but sorry I have my reasons to have this alt account anonymous.

> rdbase is a heavy shill of sportsbet.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208617.0, Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin most possibly received a PM to oppose the flag
> El duderino_ is very close Wall Observer friend of LFC_Bitcoin opposed the flag right after receiving the PM from his friend.
>There is another one who supported but then removed the flag. He is also very close friend to LFC_Bitcoin. Proof will be given if necessary.

In Wall Observer LFC_Bitcoin, El duderino_ are very close friends. Here you will find the other guy - BitcoinGirl, in the post he confessed that he received PM and the edited post (cut off part) clearly had LFC_bitcoin asking to oppose the flag. efialtis has screenshot available.

Look up post history of rdbase and see some of his posts. LFC_bitcoin knows he is a benefit seeker from sportsbet.io. See the thread he manages for sportsbet.io although they do not pay him. Plus rdbase is also fairly close to LFC_bitcoin in Wall Observer.

So El duderino_ does not have a paid signature but good guy can not deny the request from his friend.
rdbase saw an opportunity to gain some trust and accepted the bait from LFC_bitcoin and it worked. https://bpip.org/TrustLog
The other guy possibly could not connected his reasonings with LFC_bitcoin although they are good friends so he wanted to stay neutral but made the mistake of mentioning his friends in his innocent post.

DireWolfM14 may have some sense of humor but possibly he is sold because of the weekly payment he receives from SB so he really needed to save his ass by opposing the flag. Plus, this is very much possible that LFC_bitcoin sent him PM to support sportsbet.io

The rest other guys are clearly no way weight any value, they are fake users and not bringing any value to the forum except milking from signature campaign of sportsbet.io and bitcasino (both are same company), check their post history if you do not believe me. It was not very hard for LFC_bitcoin to convince them to oppose the flag by the PM he sent to them.

Ask LFC_bitcoin about how many PMs he sent to oppose the flag although I doubt he will tell you the truth.

I would have had no problem in supporting a type 2 flag.

May be the victim guy made mistake by creating type 3. One could suggest him to create flag 2. This way we do not see members are arguing with the wording of a flag instead of supporting or opposing it. First time I saw a clear mention of correct flag type.

I edited the thread title to LFC_bitcoin sending PMs to his friends to oppose flag and bribing DT inclusion
The bribing is a very silent work he is doing. Oppose the flag, the user finds his inclusion, speaks against sportsbet.io case, the user finds his distrust.
He also send a counter positive feedback which he deleted later to support his sportsbet.io employers.

flag=2161
LFC_Bitcoin is manipulating others with his PMs and DT position. Is this only for 0.018 BTC a week?

I would like Suchmoon, LoyceV, Lauda, Jollygood, hilariousandco, The Pharmacist, Avirunes, owlcatz, Lutpin, TheUltraElite, Hhampuz,  teeGUMES, o_e_l_e_o, TheBeardedBaby, coinlocket$, asche, Coolcryptovator, DireWolfM14, morvillz7z, TalkStar, YOSHIE, Yahoo, Little Mouse, Steamtyme, logfiles, ScamViruS, big_daddy, bL4nkcode, lovesmayfamilis, cryptoaddictchie, witcher_sense, notblox1, Alex_Sr  and all those good forum users to look at the case we have here.

I wish marlboroza was online.

(Edited)

[hilariousetc]

Here is what's wrong with the "i was hacked" story:

If somebody gets your pass and logs in to your account, you don't get a warning email as far as I know.

So there is absolutely no reason to change the original owner's password. The hacker can collect his data silently and the original owner won't notice anything unless he checks his IP logs.

But then you don't have access to that account if he ever changes the password. Maybe he gave the account over to someone else for proof, and then they took the screenshots and screen recording. A lot of this doesn't make sense. Why would he go that far to shit on LFC even providing a video to remove any doubt people may have had?

BitcoinGirl.Club changes their password fairly regularly, so they'd be hard pressed to claim their account was hacked (or sold for that matter)

Bitcoingirl.club AKA Pamoldar was already mentioned in the past as one of farming accounts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662330                                          Pamoldar

What's the proof for that though? Looks to just be sign-up dates unless I'm missing something, which could lead to false positives.

Anyway, it doesn't sound like real account owner sent messages:

This is beyond my expectation! [...],BitcoinGirl.Club, [...], [...] are protecting sportsbet.io secretly.

It's beyond bitcoingirl's expectation that bitcoingirl protects sportsbet? Wth?
I tagged account, I won't break my head over this too much.

Yeah, that did look like it came from a third party. Does anyone talk to him off-forum anywhere? Probably best to try get his version of events from there if his account has been compromised in whatever way.

[mindrust]

Either way that account is pretty much ruined and it will be impossible to trust any words coming from it.

So much nostalgia today.

That's right i am looking at you kenzawak.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Damn, I'm on vacation now, i have no time to deeply read the whole thing, got a PM about some crazy accusations...
What actually sportsbet.io did so people had to "protect it"? From the quick read i did until now all i understood was that people wearing the sportsbet signatures are suppressing some flags against the gambling site, is thst all or there's more to read?

I wouldn't use my DT power for things that require deep resurch and has no cleaner evidence, until I return next week.

[suchmoon]

He may forge a story...

"I WAS HACKED"

Or he could be hacked for real. Or social-engineered to share info with a trusted account who turned out to be a sockpuppeting troll. Or could a be an asshole himself. But...

~

Personal attacks involving children etc - uncalled for. Nothing that is said or done on this shithole of a forum is worth it.

[asche]

That's right i am looking at you kenzawak.

Then again it was impossible to trust kenzawak in the first place...

Anyway, it doesn't sound like real account owner sent messages:

This is beyond my expectation! [...],BitcoinGirl.Club, [...], [...] are protecting sportsbet.io secretly.

It's beyond bitcoingirl's expectation that bitcoingirl protects sportsbet? Wth?
I tagged account, I won't break my head over this too much.

I'm not familiar with Bitcoingirl.club, but I didn't see anything else than a funny way of talking about himself in the third person.

[mindrust]

That's right i am looking at you kenzawak.

Then again it was impossible to trust kenzawak in the first place...

Why was that? He was OK before he got hacked as far as I remember.

[asche]

That's right i am looking at you kenzawak.

Then again it was impossible to trust kenzawak in the first place...

Why was that? He was OK before he got hacked as far as I remember.

Well he was Mister Snow white. Very eager to prove wrongdoings that never existed in the first place. And then very surprisingly he didn't take responsibility for what happen with his account.

I would rephrase it to: "If you are looking for wrong doings hard enough, you will find some".

He loved twisting reality to make it look like some people (me) did breach the forum's and his gf's trust, while I was redtagged by vod back in the day...


It has nothing to do with the present matter, but I can happily give you more details in PM

[mindrust]

^ Not interested. He is gone. Rest in Pepperoni. I want to remember him as a good fella even though maybe he was an asshole.

I wouldn't use my DT power for things that require deep resurch and has no cleaner evidence, until I return next week.

That's exactly what bugged me with LFC's actions. He decided to oppose the flag right away.

Dude, take a breath and listen to what the accuser is saying first? Maybe just maybe, he is telling the truth? First ask the right questions, then decide.

[asche]

^ Not interested. He is gone. Rest in Pepperoni. I want to remember him as a good fella even though maybe he was an asshole.

I wouldn't use my DT power for things that require deep resurch and has no cleaner evidence, until I return next week.

That's exactly what bugged me with LFC's actions. He decided to oppose the flag right away.

Dude, take a breath and listen to what the accuser is saying first? Maybe just maybe, he is telling the truth? First ask the right questions, then decide.

I still agree on this. If you trust based on reputation/past behavior, anyone that had a good reputation for some time would benefit from such protection.

It's like saying you trust Trump because he is the POTUS. Bad then you start drinking bleach ...

[marlboroza]

What's the proof for that though? Looks to just be sign-up dates unless I'm missing something, which could lead to false positives.

I didn't look too much into this (just thinking out loud), but there are 7 accounts from that post tagged for account trades/campaign abuse. Rizzlarolla has found some patters, for example this one or this one (at the bottom of post, seems like alphabetic order) but I guess all this is circumstantial

I'm not familiar with Bitcoingirl.club, but I didn't see anything else than a funny way of talking about himself in the third person.

Hm, self-accusation to random forum accounts and risking ban because of PM spam?

[JollyGood]

If BitcoinGirl.Club claims his account was hacked or he was tricked in to parting with it, then nothing to stop him signing up and creating anew account then sending a PM to LTC_Bitcoin explainging what happened.

Let us see what happens...

[LoyceV]

I think BitcoinGirl.Club's PM discussion deserves it's own topic: BitcoinGirl.Club hacked?

[pam_alt_]

Fucked up shit!!!

Code:

BitcoinGirl.Club
My email got compromised
3/8/2020 
And please stop these nonsense

Code:

bc1q02u7ntt7xagu2f2p6yk8wgkh3xjte5xcnk9l4d

Code:

IGpmgn2yk7INtx0OcoudfArYHWMfz/2lCMcU/qQ1dM6UaOHNQMVJe/MbujuzvNANoE4HNvMBBsgCzSy4wQ9Wgpc=

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg53648750#msg53648750

I had to reset my system earlier and now I am restoring everything. I have so many things to worried about not just bitcointalk account.

LFC_Bitcoin, you are my friend but you do not owe me anything. Some of your trash talk will never be appreciated. You could wait for me.

Post a BTC address I will give back the money you sent for my girl with some interest. I am a regular tax payer so don't go with those racist immigrant shit! You don't owe the country.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I apologise for the insults, I was really, really angry about PM’s being made public. I don’t want any money back, I was hurt at the thought of my trust with BitcoinGirl.Club genuine owner being broken.

Still don’t know what to believe or who to trust.

[LoyceV]

Code:

BitcoinGirl.Club
My email got compromised
3/8/2020 
And please stop these nonsense

Code:

bc1q02u7ntt7xagu2f2p6yk8wgkh3xjte5xcnk9l4d

Code:

IGpmgn2yk7INtx0OcoudfArYHWMfz/2lCMcU/qQ1dM6UaOHNQMVJe/MbujuzvNANoE4HNvMBBsgCzSy4wQ9Wgpc=

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg53648750#msg53648750

Verified with Electrum, addy confirmed posted on January 19, 2020.

[rdbase]

I apologise for the insults, I was really, really angry about PM’s being made public. I don’t want any money back, I was hurt at the thought of my trust with BitcoinGirl.Club genuine owner being broken.

Still don’t know what to believe or who to trust.

I told you side chain has to be an old timer here.
My mind goes towards one-above-all.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138419.0
But dont quote me on that. (^^)
I wouldnt doubt he managed to get access to paladmor's email account, resetting their forum account's password thus allowing them to record the steamable link with all those pm's from their inbox.

[nutildah]

I told you side chain has to be an old timer here.
My mind goes towards one-above-all.

In their posts, Side chain does mention CH's various alts as having been wronged a suspicious amount of times, but I think this person is even more nefarious than them. CH is just a giant shit talker, incapable of hiding who they are. This person, on the other hand, committed a criminal act. I hope they are identified and removed from whatever campaigns they may currently be in, and at this point, I'm thinking its probably more than one.

[JollyGood]

So what happened? Was the OP responsible for hacking in to your PC?

Fucked up shit!!!

Code:

BitcoinGirl.Club
My email got compromised
3/8/2020 
And please stop these nonsense

Code:

bc1q02u7ntt7xagu2f2p6yk8wgkh3xjte5xcnk9l4d

Code:

IGpmgn2yk7INtx0OcoudfArYHWMfz/2lCMcU/qQ1dM6UaOHNQMVJe/MbujuzvNANoE4HNvMBBsgCzSy4wQ9Wgpc=

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg53648750#msg53648750

I had to reset my system earlier and now I am restoring everything. I have so many things to worried about not just bitcointalk account.

LFC_Bitcoin, you are my friend but you do not owe me anything. Some of your trash talk will never be appreciated. You could wait for me.

Post a BTC address I will give back the money you sent for my girl with some interest. I am a regular tax payer so don't go with those racist immigrant shit! You don't owe the country.

[notblox1]

Looking at bigger picture here (and I don't defend anyone) I think that we see some organised attack on LFC_Bitcoin and sportsbet.
Bunch of new alt accounts in coordinated effort creating accusations and exposing other members private messages.
It is war, and both sides played dirty.
Just my theory.

[JollyGood]

hacker1001101001 is one of the most disgusting users in the forum.

He is effectively congratulating the Side chain on hacking in to the forum account, email account and exchange accounts of BitcoinGirl.Club

hacker1001101001 you are one of the lowest of the low trash posters in this forum. You are the absolute antithesis of what a model poster should behave like.

What credibility will a scam trash poster like you have even among your 3 or 4 buddies in that local language board and the one or two attention-seekers you collude with? Even they should abandon you for this latest despicable act of yours.

Thanks bro BitcoinGirl.Club!
You really need to ship this T-shirt  


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Good bye.

What an shit head. I already knew the PMs were not only about taking a look. But another gem in DT1. I don't know how anyone would still believe the whole thing is not corrupted.

You haven’t got shit cryptohunter, I’ve just gone through my PM’s & I absolutely did not tell anybody to oppose the flag. I asked a few people to take a look.

Nice work boy !

[PrimeNumber7]

Looking at bigger picture here (and I don't defend anyone) I think that we see some organised attack on LFC_Bitcoin and sportsbet.

Do you think LFC was tricked into sending those messages? Do you think SB withheld coin under questionable circumstances?

[mindrust]

Looking at bigger picture here (and I don't defend anyone) I think that we see some organised attack on LFC_Bitcoin and sportsbet.
Bunch of new alt accounts in coordinated effort creating accusations and exposing other members private messages.
It is war, and both sides played dirty.
Just my theory.

How is OP full of shit can you explain?

It is confirmed by the OP and sportsbet.io both, that he is not allowed to withdraw his winnings. Isn't that enough?

edit: you can support or oppose the flag for any reason. I don't oppose or support it neither. I am just wondering your thought process.

I think the accuser is lying. I can't knowingly support a flag based on a lie, regardless how I feel about the fairness of T&Cs and whatnot. Two wrongs and all that.

Let's get back to this part.

You think neymarjr is lying... because...

Hmm... let me guess...

Because you believe this whole shit is some kind of hoax artificially made up by some sportsbet.io haters?

...

Was I close?

No.

I think I was close.  

Looking at bigger picture here (and I don't defend anyone) I think that we see some organised attack on LFC_Bitcoin and sportsbet.

Do you think LFC was tricked into sending those messages? Do you think SB withheld coin under questionable circumstances?

The way I see it, LFC is a bit too emotional about sportsbet. He wasn't tricked. That's just how he is.

[notblox1]

Do you think LFC was tricked into sending those messages?

No I don't think so.
He did sent those messages, but we also know member has hacked for this, and you want to burn LFC like a witch for what?
We all know members communicate in private in this forum.
And he was not commanding or bribing anyone with coins or money, so title is wrong.

Do you think SB withheld coin under questionable circumstances?

That case was resolved,
and if you are active in this forum you will suspect and investigate any newbie opening topics like that.

[mindrust]

Another guess.

What if...

This is the ENDGAME of GAME-PROTECT?

[suchmoon]

I think I was close.  

You tried to guess what I was thinking. You weren't close to what I was thinking. As it turns out you weren't close to reality either.

[notblox1]

What if...

This is the ENDGAME of GAME-PROTECT?

Hahaha
Sure it can be his revenge, we all know many of his alt accounts are offering protection and legal help even in this case with sportsbet.

[mindrust]

I think I was close.  

You tried to guess what I was thinking. You weren't close to what I was thinking. As it turns out you weren't close to reality either.

I tried to guess what you were thinking by telling you what I was thinking indirectly and It wasn't a far off possibility it seems. It still isn't.

I don't know the terms of the agreement between neymar and sportsbet.io but there is still a possbility that neymarjr was part of this.

[suchmoon]

I tried to guess what you were thinking by telling you what I was thinking indirectly and It wasn't a far off possibility it seems. It still isn't.

Fair enough.

I don't know the terms of the agreement between neymar and sportsbet.io but there is still a possbility that neymarjr was part of this.

I doubt it. However I do think that sportsbet should come clean about any communication and/or financial transactions they had with LFC_Bitcoin or any other shills behind the scenes during these accusations. This has gone too far with some serious real life consequences for some people, like BitcoinGirl.Club getting fucked essential for being a recipient of a PM. If they (sportsbet) didn't have any hand in this they should state so and disown these actions.

[dkbit98]

like BitcoinGirl.Club getting fucked essential for being a recipient of a PM.

That sounded a bit weird.

I think we need real detectives and investigation to solve this case, and maybe moderators with theymos need to be involved.

We should all learn some lessons from this and think twice before sending PM to anyone, and open our eyes when we receive any message.

[mindrust]

Sometimes I think that signature spammers are making the best use of this forum.

Not getting drawn into any dramas, not giving anybody any negative trust ratings, not engaging in serious discussions, not making anybody angry... just spamming quietly without drawing any attention.

 

BEST.

[gentlemand]

Sometimes I think that signature spammers are making the best use of this forum.

Not getting drawn into any dramas, not giving anybody any negative trust ratings, not engaging in serious discussions, not making anybody angry... just spamming quietly without drawing any attention.

Like meeeeeeeeeee.

The reputation section serves as a large warning basically. That nothing good comes of getting involved in the delusions and evils of others and that there are always people more mad, more petty, more pathetic, more vindictive, more deluded, more vicious and with longer memories and more time out there than you.

They are best left to stew in their own juices.

[JollyGood]

That is true, they are mostly impartial to any drama and only post ambiguous nonsense for the sake of collecting their signature campaign funds

Sometimes I think that signature spammers are making the best use of this forum.

Not getting drawn into any dramas, not giving anybody any negative trust ratings, not engaging in serious discussions, not making anybody angry... just spamming quietly without drawing any attention.

 

BEST.

[JollyGood]

You are despicable.

Your adam0991 account was created last month with the specific purpose of attacking Sportsbet regardless of whether they are scammers or not, regardless of whether the users making allegations against them had anything of substance. You had just one motive to attack LFC_Bitcoin and to attack Sportsbet.

Shame on you. Stop hiding behind an alt-account and post using your real user  

There’s nothing in those PM’s that I’m bothered about. What am I supposed to be arsed about?

One thing I’m bothered about is BitcoinGirl.Club breaking my trust & sending PM’s to a newbie troll. Why, because he asked? Did he pay BitcoinGirl.Club for them? Why would you send a noob troll PM’s?
You fucking piece of shit, immigrant dirt eater. I sent this dick head money once before for his daughter. Absolutely pathetic cuckold, how dare you.

“Immigrant dirt eater”. Wow seems like you’re the piece of shit with comments like that.

Also congrats on being revealed as a sportsbet and bitcasino paid rep. Very sad to drop to that level, players have a hard enough time trying to be fairly treated on cases without having users who just oppose all flags because they are being paid.

OP was right

[actmyname]

That is true, they are mostly impartial to any drama and only post ambiguous nonsense for the sake of collecting their signature campaign funds

Ridiculous! Everyone knows that the best way to maximize one's signature earnings is to formulate a gang of DefaultTrust members to hijack the trust system in order to openly facilitate corruption and merit abuse, to arbitrarily indicate users as scammers and transform truth and the values of the forum, to attract users to this, to subsequently tag them and create an excess of drama which results in one or more Reputation threads that the users can later post on, thus completing the cycle and earning their signature peanuts.

Obviously.

They are best left to stew in their own juices.

Yeah, but your untrusted negative feedback collection needs some work! Rookie numbers: only one?!

[gentlemand]

Yeah, but your untrusted negative feedback collection needs some work! Rookie numbers: only one?!

I have absolutely no idea what that means and it's staying that way. I've only sent two feedbacks I think both of which were for actual transactions of a sort on here. Beyond that my eyes glaze over and my tiddler goes limp.

[adam0991]

You are despicable.

Your adam0991 account was created last month with the specific purpose of attacking Sportsbet regardless of whether they are scammers or not, regardless of whether they users making allegations against them had anything of substance. You had just one motive to attack LFC_Bitcoin and to attack Sportsbet.

Shame on you. Stop hiding behind an alt-account and post using your real user 

There’s nothing in those PM’s that I’m bothered about. What am I supposed to be arsed about?

One thing I’m bothered about is BitcoinGirl.Club breaking my trust & sending PM’s to a newbie troll. Why, because he asked? Did he pay BitcoinGirl.Club for them? Why would you send a noob troll PM’s?
You fucking piece of shit, immigrant dirt eater. I sent this dick head money once before for his daughter. Absolutely pathetic cuckold, how dare you.

“Immigrant dirt eater”. Wow seems like you’re the piece of shit with comments like that.

Also congrats on being revealed as a sportsbet and bitcasino paid rep. Very sad to drop to that level, players have a hard enough time trying to be fairly treated on cases without having users who just oppose all flags because they are being paid.

OP was right

Excuse me?

Actually I have mostly good things I could say about sportsbet, I bet on their site daily.

I joined to ask for clarification regarding VPN’s which was never answered. I then got intrigued by all the ‘Scam Accusations’ that are going on, I risk a lot of money in their site and I have an interest in ensuring these issues are resolved otherwise I am also at risk.

I have no idea who LFC is other than I saw this topic and the abuse he posted in the quoted post, and I am the you are shaming?

Get a grip and learn to read

[JollyGood]

Reading that made me chuckle, I mean that is a funny over-elaborated explanation of what happens "beyond" that 

Yeah, but your untrusted negative feedback collection needs some work! Rookie numbers: only one?!

I have absolutely no idea what that means and it's staying that way. I've only sent two feedbacks I think both of which were for actual transactions of a sort on here. Beyond that my eyes glaze over and my tiddler goes limp.

[marlboroza]

Seems someone doesn't like their employer to be questioned in various scam accusation topics:



It is best to be very silent on this forum hehe.
source of image: https://bpip.org/TrustLog

[suchmoon]

Seems someone doesn't like their employer to be questioned in various scam accusation topics:

To be fair, it's a miracle you hadn't been excluded by jeremypwr until now. He's ~6 years old emotionally.

[AB de Royse777]

To be fair, it's a miracle you hadn't been excluded by jeremypwr until now. He's ~6 years old emotionally.

Why The Pharmacist :-P

[asche]

To be fair, it's a miracle you hadn't been excluded by jeremypwr until now. He's ~6 years old emotionally.

Which brings the question how he is in DT1 in the first place...

[dkbit98]

It is best to be very silent on this forum hehe.

And you have been very quiet indeed.
I don't understand why anyone would distrust good and kind old fellow like  Marlboroza.

God bless BPIP for providing supreme truth.

[suchmoon]

I don't understand why anyone would distrust good and kind old fellow like  Marlboroza.

coulrophobia

[marlboroza]

coulrophobia

Good point.

[JollyGood]

I had to look this up, never heard of the word before: coulrophobia - extreme or irrational fear of clowns

[asche]

Why would I trust people who distrust me for thinking a group of Russian’s or Serbs or whatever they are, with questionable alts betting on dodgy table tennis games isn’t quite right?

I don't think neymar's case was regarding dodgy table tennis...

Choosing a side when you don't have all the elements from that side in your hand is questionnable either way.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt that you did review all the elements that conducted SP to flag these accounts. If no it means you just trusted someones word/reputation on it. Which then again, is questionnable.

[suchmoon]

Why would I trust people who distrust me for thinking a group of Russian’s or Serbs or whatever they are, with questionable alts betting on dodgy table tennis games isn’t quite right?

Since this kinda sorta involves me, I think it's perfectly fine to untrust or distrust or whatever, considering that our judgement is so fundamentally different in this case. I just want to make one thing clear: I didn't distrust you "for thinking a group of Russian’s or Serbs or whatever they are, with questionable alts betting on dodgy table tennis games isn’t quite right". I distrusted you and blocked your PMs for your attack on BitcoinGirl.Club and for seriously misrepresenting our communication. I can accept differences in opinions. I can't accept shit like the aforementioned.

[Side chain]

Thanks bro BitcoinGirl.Club!
You really need to ship this T-shirt 


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Good bye.

could you oppose these false flags these ass hats have done against sportsbet, would help them.







Just to let you know suchmoon & nutildah have got my back, they've been PM'ing me all day.





makes me look like a shill



Paying over $200 per week for shilling is working just fine.
Suchmoon & nutildah was able to change the direction of the topic.
Most users in bitcoin forum are only signature honeybees.


Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage. Password sent to your PM.

Until next time!

[nutildah]

Paying over $200 per week for shilling is working just fine.
Suchmoon & nutildah was able to change the direction of the topic.
Most users in bitcoin forum are only signature honeybees.


Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage. Password sent to your PM.

Until next time!

"Sorry for the inconvenience?"

Are you out of your mind?

How could you say your goal wasn't do to any damage? Clearly it was, and that was your only goal. And it changed nothing. You changed nothing except for ruining the account and reputation of BitcoinGirl.club. Congratulations.

We're "signature honeybees" but you're the one who's too afraid to post from their main account for fear of ending up on yahoo's blacklist.

You sir are completely full of shit.

[Last of the V8s]

"signature honeybees" my flabby arse
where's the honey then?
signature vultures a better term in my very humble opinion

otherwise nutildah is right of course

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Side chain, you achieved NOTHING but ruin BitcoinGirl.Club’s life. I’m still here harvesting dat honey so what have you achieved, you autistic lunatic. You’re clearly an intelligent, skilled guy. Why don’t you use those skills constructively?

You accessed BitcoinGirl.Club’s email account that he uses for banking amongst other personal things. It’s disgusting what lengths you went to achieve what exactly? How do you know how much BitcoinGirl.Club relied on his account & signature pay? How do you know if he needs that money to put food on his kids table?

You achieved nothing except ruining his life. I effectively admitted to what was in those pm’s, what was the point? Asking to oppose a flag isn’t against any rule here. Since then it’s been discovered that many of these Eastern Euro’s are multi accounting & are breaking sportsbet.io T&C’s.

I knew from day one that sportsbet.io wouldn’t scam. They pay various sports teams multi millions every year. The accusations here were for peanuts, you imbecile.

What was the point, what did you get out of this?

[LoyceV]

Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage.

Can you at least share how you gained access to his email? Make it an educational topic in Beginners & Help. Try to refrain from posting personal information this time, and see if anything good can come out of this by helping others to keep their account safe.

Password sent to your PM.

The password won't be enough to restore access:

The BitcoinGirl.Club account is banned

Until next time!

Great! Now grow a spine, and post from your main account

[hilariousetc]

This is by far the furthest someone has gone here just to try get one over on someone or 'expose' them. At least no monetary loss happened (as far as I'm aware). Maybe this is a wake up call to BitcoinGirl.Club and others. If someone would go to this just to try expose PMs then there are plenty more people who will go even further if they can scam some money out of it. You should never use the same email here as you do for exchanges.

Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage.

Can you at least share how you gained access to his email? Make it an educational topic in Beginners & Help. Try to refrain from posting personal information this time, and see if anything good can come out of this by helping others to keep their account safe.

Password sent to your PM.

The password won't be enough to restore access:

The BitcoinGirl.Club account is banned

Until next time!

Great! Now grow a spine, and post from your main account

The account can easily be unbanned. I can do that if he can prove he has access to it, but I don't know at what point in the recovery process he's at with the admins.

Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage.

Can you at least share how you gained access to his email? Make it an educational topic in Beginners & Help. Try to refrain from posting personal information this time, and see if anything good can come out of this by helping others to keep their account safe.

Well didn't he install some malware on his computer by sending him an email which BitcoinGirl.Club clicked on?

[PrimeNumber7]

While it is possible to get infected with malware by clicking on a link, I would not take what Side Chain says at face value without evidence. He may have hacked bitcoingirl.club, but I would not assume so without evidence.

This should not distract from the very troubling messages that were disclosed. From their own description of what they were doing, some people were “shilling” for SB, and asked at least one person to lie about why they were taking a stance in favor of a company they were receiving payment from.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

While it is possible to get infected with malware by clicking on a link, I would not take what Side Chain says at face value without evidence. He may have hacked bitcoingirl.club, but I would not assume so without evidence.

This should not distract from the very troubling messages that were disclosed. From their own description of what they were doing, some people were “shilling” for SB, and asked at least one person to lie about why they were taking a stance in favor of a company they were receiving payment from.

The messages enclosed -

Quickseller, I’ve never received a single payment from sportsbet.io
Don’t judge everybody by your own standards #selfescrow

[nutildah]

very troubling messages

 
1. Nobody cares what you think.
2. Show's over, go home, troll.

[dkbit98]

My goal was not to do any damage.

Said the 'honest' Robin Hood criminal and a hacker with alt-account.  

Anything can be written in PMs and hackers can edit that.

Anyone reading this before sending and receiving PMs in forum?



PS
Get a life Sidechan

Great! Now grow a spine, and post from your main account

He is invertebrate.

[PrimeNumber7]

I’ve never received a single payment from sportsbet.io

I’ve been working with sportsbet for years & consider a number of the guys there as friends.

 Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io are owned by the same company.

Your statement that you have “ never received a single payment from sportsbet.io” is very misleading at best. By your own statement, you have been “working with sportsbet for years” and are wearing a signature (presumably getting paid for doing so) of a sister company that shares common ownership with SB.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I’ve never received a single payment from sportsbet.io

I’ve been working with sportsbet for years & consider a number of the guys there as friends.

 Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io are owned by the same company.

Your statement that you have “ never received a single payment from sportsbet.io” is very misleading at best. By your own statement, you have been “working with sportsbet for years” and are wearing a signature (presumably getting paid for doing so) of a sister company that shares common ownership with SB.

 
1. Nobody cares what you think.
2. Show's over, go home, troll.

I get paid by bitcasino.io you tard, they’re loosely connected at the top. I’ve never taken money from sportsbet.io , ask Steve.
You seem to have taken a keen interest in this thread, you were very keen to steer away from theymos looking into IP’s to match forum accounts, you’re not Side Chain are you?

Maybe I’m wrong & it’s just that you don’t want theymos to link Quickseller to dozens of other accounts. That was your biz wasn’t it.....
How many others are there?

[mindrust]

Over the years I heard numerous times that quickseller is one smart and evil mf.

I'd expect something like that from him tbh.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Over the years I heard numerous times that quickseller is a one smart and evil mf.

I'd expect something like that from him tbh.

He has a weird obsession with the higher paying sig campaigns & participants. He went weird over Hhampuz kicking him out of a campaign. It wouldn’t surprise me to be honest.

[mindrust]

Over the years I heard numerous times that quickseller is a one smart and evil mf.

I'd expect something like that from him tbh.

He has a weird obsession with the higher paying sig campaigns & participants. He went weird over Hhampuz kicking him out of a campaign. It wouldn’t surprise me to be honest.

I wish you haven't lost your cool though. If you stayed patient and kept asking the right questions it could have ended better for you.

[efialtis]

Bitcasino and sportsbet being loosely connected is simply... wrong and just not true. They are actually 100% connected. Ask Steve... I am observing without commenting since that neymarjr Drama but just had to dive in here when wrong facts are being stated.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Bitcasino and sportsbet being loosely connected is simply... wrong and just not true. They are actually 100% connected. Ask Steve... I am observing without commenting since that neymarjr Drama but just had to dive in here when wrong facts are being stated.

I’ve never received any money from sportsbet, that was the whole point of what I believe this thread was leaning towards. I’ve never had a penny off Steve or sportsbet.io - Ask him!

My sig pay is from Karl at bitcasino.

It’s a bit like the Pozzo family own Watford, Udinese and Grenada. Watford players don’t get paid by Grenada do they which is why this whole thing is so laughable.

Side chain spent a lot of time & committed illegal acts to do literally fuck all

[efialtis]

Bitcasino and sportsbet being loosely connected is simply... wrong and just not true. They are actually 100% connected. Ask Steve... I am observing without commenting since that neymarjr Drama but just had to dive in here when wrong facts are being stated.

I’ve never received any money from sportsbet, that was the whole point of what I believe this thread was leaning towards. I’ve never had a penny off Steve or sportsbet.io - Ask him!

My sig pay is from Karl at bitcasino.

It’s a bit like the Pozzo family own Watford, Udinese and Grenada. Watford players don’t get paid by Grenada do they which is why this whole thing is so laughable.

Side chain spent a lot of time & committed illegal acts to do literally fuck all

Sorry mate and I know it’s a bit off but no - can’t be compared, they are one and the same. in this case it wouldn’t matter if you got paid in your sb or bc account.

No offense though, that’s ok.

Steve and Karl are being paid by the very same person/company.

Last but not least: I can’t agree with side chains action of course, it’s actually quite scary...

[JollyGood]

I think this "Side chain" user will try to hide his real/regularly used login. One day his mask might slip but until then we wait...

I already asked BitcoinGirl.club for a step by step explanation about how he thinks he got hacked but he will probably need time to repair the damage done by Side chain before he posts here.

Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage.

Can you at least share how you gained access to his email? Make it an educational topic in Beginners & Help. Try to refrain from posting personal information this time, and see if anything good can come out of this by helping others to keep their account safe.

Password sent to your PM.

The password won't be enough to restore access:

The BitcoinGirl.Club account is banned

Until next time!

Great! Now grow a spine, and post from your main account

[dkbit98]

I wonder how some people are felling now after they sent merits to known hacker alt-account  and they praised him for his 'good' work  
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=2752680

[efialtis]

I wonder how some people are felling now after they sent merits to known hacker alt-account  and they praised him for his 'good' work  
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=2752680

I am great actually, thanks for asking - Glad you are interested in our feelings even though I do not know why you are interested all of a sudden, what's the point? Again - unlike so many other people who were involved in this mess, I have simply been sharing my opinion, objectively, unbiased and without getting personal - I like to think it's my right to do so - as a side note, needless to say but I am saying it, I was right with what I "assumed/stated/whatever" even though many people didn't like it.

[dkbit98]

...

You want a medal now?
I never mentioned your name, and you calling yourself here is showing you are not ok.

[efialtis]

...

You want a medal now?
I never mentioned your name, and you calling yourself here is showing you are not ok.

You were directly indirectly referring to me among others - obviously - maybe you should read again what you wrote.

And now it's enough - what some of you are posting is so "off" really, hopeless so there is no need to even try discussing things with you.

And yes, medal for me please now that you are it - cheers!

Nb. This whole thing was a big farce - I know you don't know but (at least some) of the involved parties know and that is why all of this is a shame really.

[marlboroza]

I think this "Side chain" user will try to hide his real/regularly used login. One day his mask might slip but until then we wait...

They don't like yahoo, mosprognoz, TMAN, Lauda and LFC. Seems they like...me. It looks like they mixed posting style of few users, they are very very familiar with forum politics and users so it has to be older account.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I think this "Side chain" user will try to hide his real/regularly used login. One day his mask might slip but until then we wait...

They don't like yahoo, mosprognoz, TMAN, Lauda and LFC. Seems they like...me. It looks like they mixed posting style of few users, they are very very familiar with forum politics and users so it has to be older account.

I’ve seen predictions it could be QS. Then again it could be one of the guys who struggles to get into a sig campaign, perhaps cryptohunter or one of the Turks, perhaps peloso or Vispillo or whatever his name is.

[marlboroza]

I’ve seen predictions it could be QS. Then again it could be one of the guys who struggles to get into a sig campaign, perhaps cryptohunter or one of the Turks, perhaps peloso or Vispillo or whatever his name is.

I don't think it is quacky. He was account trader and did what he did, but hacking forum accounts? I don't think so. Peloso is too lazy to write more than few words. Vispilio? I don't think he likes me and he is not into forum politics unless someone mention Turks. Besides, he has his own fight with JG now. There were few things OP said which reminded me of cryptohunter a lot but I'll keep that for myself. Hm, CH doesn't like me either, and, he was/is tagged by everyone mentioned above except yahoo.

[mindrust]

peloso

peloso is a straight outta moron. I doubt vispullo too. He is not that smart.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Everything looks like cryptohunter (The-One-Above-All) etc but I dunno if Side chain was trying to make his way of writing look like CH.

CH was obsessed with DT & made a Reputation thread about me a hear or two ago.

[mindrust]

What about game-protect? She is one crazy mf too. 

[JollyGood]

I think this "Side chain" user will try to hide his real/regularly used login. One day his mask might slip but until then we wait...

They don't like yahoo, mosprognoz, TMAN, Lauda and LFC. Seems they like...me. It looks like they mixed posting style of few users, they are very very familiar with forum politics and users so it has to be older account.

Without doubt a more established user is playing a dangerous game under the guise of his Side chain account. They are far too familiar with forum users and forum politics and knew how to fool BitcoinGirl.club in to clicking the malware link.

I’ve seen predictions it could be QS. Then again it could be one of the guys who struggles to get into a sig campaign, perhaps cryptohunter or one of the Turks, perhaps peloso or Vispillo or whatever his name is.

I cannot see this plan being carried out by attention-seeking Turkish user Vispilio - he simply talks too much, is crazy about trying to make money from signature campaigns but is an utter useless fool with zero coding capabilities and that user peloso is just as useless so I think you are looking in to the wrong place.

peloso is a straight outta moron. I doubt vispullo too. He is not that smart.

Yes he is  

Everything looks like cryptohunter (The-One-Above-All) etc but I dunno if Side chain was trying to make his way of writing look like CH.

CH was obsessed with DT & made a Reputation thread about me a hear or two ago.

I never read any post about anybody accusing them of being clever enough to use malware to hack in to email accounts or post here using the account of a user who had his account compromised.

The person behind the hack is somebody who absolutely dislikes Sportsbet and anybody that was posting pro-Sportsbet messages challenging accusation they were scammers therefore that might be the place to look for the perpetrator of this crime.

What about game-protect? She is one crazy mf too.  

I doubt it  

[Quickseller]

QS.

You are just naming random people without logic or evidence. You also happen to be deflecting from, and trying to distract from your own corruption.

One of three things happened:
*The hack was faked, and someone saw something he thought was wrong and wanted to go public with the negative information without harming his own reputation.
*The person Sportsbet scammed (or someone else they scammed) hacked someone who was strangely opposing the case against Sportsbet
*One of Sportsbet's competitors hacked the account hoping to expose obvious corruption.

[yahoo62278]

I’ve seen predictions it could be QS. Then again it could be one of the guys who struggles to get into a sig campaign, perhaps cryptohunter or one of the Turks, perhaps peloso or Vispillo or whatever his name is.

I don't think it is quacky. He was account trader and did what he did, but hacking forum accounts? I don't think so. Peloso is too lazy to write more than few words. Vispilio? I don't think he likes me and he is not into forum politics unless someone mention Turks. Besides, he has his own fight with JG now. There were few things OP said which reminded me of cryptohunter a lot but I'll keep that for myself. Hm, CH doesn't like me either, and, he was/is tagged by everyone mentioned above except yahoo.

I didn't tag cryptohunter for being a psycho as I don't agree with tagging a conspiracy theorist for their opinions , although I don't mind that others have done so. I should however prob ~all of CH and his alts even though I don't think it really matters. Noone is gonna trust those accounts, so there is no fear of him ever making DT.

[Shindo8]

Find who mightyDTs is and you will find who Side chain is.

[marlboroza]

Find who mightyDTs is and you will find who Side chain is.

My wild guess is Thule.

[Laudanum]

Find who mightyDTs is and you will find who Side chain is.

My dear member

Exposing DT1 as a liar is valuable work. Trying to turn this reverse on sidechain is foolish.
I use this same gambling company and have had not one issue from many years.but lfcbitcoin is caught red handed lying and using trust inclusions and other enticement and negative reinforcements to force collusion and manipulate flags  without review which is the truth.
I thought bitcoinclub is sidechain but that seems a wrong guess.

[suchmoon]

My wild guess is Thule.

Too illiterate.

*The hack was faked, and someone saw something he thought was wrong and wanted to go public with the negative information without harming his own reputation.

Far too complicated to be fake. Side chain account was created months before the whole drama started.

*The person Sportsbet scammed (or someone else they scammed) hacked someone who was strangely opposing the case against Sportsbet

The target was LFC_Bitcoin. BitcoinGirl.Club just happened to be someone with a publicly known e-mail address and dumb enough to click a malicious link.

*One of Sportsbet's competitors hacked the account hoping to expose obvious corruption.

I don't know how any of this could make sense to you but whatever. Keep making it up until you find one fantasy that you like. Sane people will probably settle with Occam.

[marlboroza]

My wild guess is Thule.

Too illiterate.

I don't know, he was making some threats and he said not so nice things about LFC.

*The hack was faked, and someone saw something he thought was wrong and wanted to go public with the negative information without harming his own reputation.

Far too complicated to be fake. Side chain account was created months before the whole drama started.

It's not complicated at all. Side chain spotted Bitcoingirl's post, attacked LFC and sent message to bitcoingirl, bitcoingirl got scared/moral/ethics/whatever and finally shared PM conversation with side chain (and some other accounts pretending like it is someone else who sent message  ) and changed password to look like account was hacked.

Or, account is hacked.

[suchmoon]

It's not complicated at all. Side chain spotted Bitcoingirl's post, attacked LFC and sent message to bitcoingirl, bitcoingirl got scared/moral/ethics/whatever and finally shared PM conversation with side chain (and some other accounts pretending like it is someone else who sent message  ) and changed password to look like account was hacked.

I don't know BitcoinGirl.Club that well but he doesn't seem like someone prone to something like that. Leaking PMs to a shit-stirring noob is near the bottom of the list of things a sane ethically concerned person would do.

[nutildah]

I don't know BitcoinGirl.Club that well but he doesn't seem like someone prone to something like that. Leaking PMs to a shit-stirring noob is near the bottom of the list of things a sane ethically concerned person would do.

And then coming back as side chain to reiterate what was in the PMs after bidding the forum farewell, not pleased that their malice wasn't having the effect they desired... definitely not BitcoinGirl.Club.

[marlboroza]

It was hypothetical scenario. But yeah, it doesn't make much sense.

[hacker1001101001]

This should not distract from the very troubling messages that were disclosed. From their own description of what they were doing, some people were “shilling” for SB, and asked at least one person to lie about why they were taking a stance in favor of a company they were receiving payment from.

I agree. Users like nutildah and suchmoon ( also backing LFC_Bitcoin as per the PMs ) are blantly trying to deflect the topic towards side chain to paint him in bad light. Account hacking is common here and there are tens of accounts hacked, recovered and sold here on daily basis. The most concerning thing here is that those type of manipulative PMs are being sent to and fro without any fear among this DT groups in order to abuse flag system by making an joke out of it. One could imagiy of DT mobbing and bullying occuring easily here via PM from such events.

I think theymos should manually blacklist such morons and dick heads from DT1, as it's only possible for now.

[nutildah]

I think theymos should manually blacklist such morans from DT1, as it's only possible for now.

Yeah, I agree, blacklist all the morans.

[suchmoon]

Account hacking is common here and there are tens of accounts hacked, recovered and sold here on daily basis.

Oh well, that makes it ok then, along with plagiarism, ICO bumping, and other such guild-approved activities going on "here on daily basis".

[hacker1001101001]

Yeah, I agree, blacklist all the morans.

I hope you got your reflection in that word anyway.

Account hacking is common here and there are tens of accounts hacked, recovered and sold here on daily basis.

Oh well, that makes it ok then, along with plagiarism, ICO bumping, and other such guild-approved activities going on "here on daily basis".

Oh well, sending such manipulative PMs and backing them is OK then. Nice and clear judgement.

https://prnt.sc/tsws74

[Laudanum]

Account hacking is common here and there are tens of accounts hacked, recovered and sold here on daily basis.

Oh well, that makes it ok then, along with plagiarism, ICO bumping, and other such guild-approved activities going on "here on daily basis".

Deflecting again.  Deal with the lying,manipulation and collusion by DT1 to protect their sponsor.
Start your own hacking complaints thread about the member who discovered the evidence to prove the above is taking place.

Your mind seems reduced in capacity lately suchmoron.  Are you okay?  I had presumed any such reduction would have been fatal.  
You're not in with those Russians and Serb ping ping pongers lfc was hating on are you? You mustn't take him seriously.

[suchmoon]

Oh well, sending such manipulative PMs and backing them is OK then. Nice and clear judgement.

Sending or receiving "such" PMs, or any PMs, doesn't make it ok to hack accounts, you illiterate dreck. That much is quite clear to anyone not blinded by anti-DT vendetta or whatever your disease is.

[Laudanum]

Oh well, sending such manipulative PMs and backing them is OK then. Nice and clear judgement.

Sending or receiving "such" PMs, or any PMs, doesn't make it ok to hack accounts, you illiterate dreck. That much is quite clear to anyone not blinded by anti-DT vendetta or whatever your disease is.

Sending PMs that are asking people to collude and manipulate in favour of your sponsors.
PMS that confirm you are telling blatant lies. ?

So now we accept hacking is very bad.
Can we discuss suchmoons opinion on the on topic points i have listed above.
Also what did lfcbitcoin say to misrepresent your conversation.

Please focus and don't run away hiding suchmoron.

Please no more spelling and grammar nazi deflection and diversionary  tactics.
They won't work with me. You just look desperate and grasping for anything to prevent you answering the on topic and important questions. I just keep asking and asking as you know.

Just answer.

[hacker1001101001]

Oh well, sending such manipulative PMs and backing them is OK then. Nice and clear judgement.

Sending or receiving "such" PMs, or any PMs, doesn't make it ok to hack accounts, you illiterate dreck. That much is quite clear to anyone not blinded by anti-DT vendetta or whatever your disease is.

They were not just "such" PMs but "manipulative" PMs which affected the risk flags on Sportsbet if literate like you can't understand. And before you bounce from the topic again, I don't think it's ok to hack account nor support it.

[suchmoon]

I don't think it's ok to hack account nor support it.

And yet you're posting those hacked PMs. Pick a lane.

[JollyGood]

I agree. Users like nutildah and suchmoon ( also backing LFC_Bitcoin as per the PMs ) are blantly trying to deflect the topic towards side chain to paint him in bad light. Account hacking is common here and there are tens of accounts hacked, recovered and sold here on daily basis. The most concerning thing here is that those type of manipulative PMs are being sent to and fro without any fear among this DT groups in order to abuse flag system by making an joke out of it. One could imagiy of DT mobbing and bullying occuring easily here via PM from such events.

I think theymos should manually blacklist such morons and dick heads from DT1, as it's only possible for now.

I decided to unignore this troll for a few days at least just to read his trash because somehow it always comes back to him making pointless posts because he was exposed as having multiple accounts and him colluding with other users he refused to name to bump threads and receive payment for writing posts with fake information.

As usual it means him having to attack DT members and who can forget when this hacker1001101001 was praising Side chain and revelling in happiness when his account got hacked and he used it to attack LFC_Bitcoin: BitcoinGirl.club

hacker1001101001 is one of the most disgusting users in the forum.

He is effectively congratulating the Side chain on hacking in to the forum account, email account and exchange accounts of BitcoinGirl.Club

hacker1001101001 you are one of the lowest of the low trash posters in this forum. You are the absolute antithesis of what a model poster should behave like.

What credibility will a scam trash poster like you have even among your 3 or 4 buddies in that local language board and the one or two attention-seekers you collude with? Even they should abandon you for this latest despicable act of yours.

Thanks bro BitcoinGirl.Club!
You really need to ship this T-shirt  


https://streamable.com/7w307k

https://prnt.sc/tswrv9
https://prnt.sc/tsws00
https://prnt.sc/tsws74
https://prnt.sc/tswsar
https://prnt.sc/tswslg
https://prnt.sc/tswss2


Good bye.

What an shit head. I already knew the PMs were not only about taking a look. But another gem in DT1. I don't know how anyone would still believe the whole thing is not corrupted.

You haven’t got shit cryptohunter, I’ve just gone through my PM’s & I absolutely did not tell anybody to oppose the flag. I asked a few people to take a look.

Nice work boy !

[mindrust]

side chain is a fucking criminal but LFC made his job a lot easier by freaking the fucking out.

adding a dude (forgot his name) with a blank trust page to his dt...
he can add anyone he wants but his addition affected the flag's visibility and It was pretty obvious that was his intention. Not illegal, but i am not sure if it was ethical. (ethics are important)

in his pm's he can ask whatever he pleases. since those pm's were acquired illegally, i can't really comment about them.
bitcoinclub made it public by telling us he got a pm from lfc though. if bitcoinclub opposes or supports the flag without reviewing the case, that's on him. LFC has nothing to be blamed here.

and what LFC said about bitcoinclub after he got hacked... well, that was't nice.

I still don't understand why he acts like that. I don't think even the CEO of sportsbet.io cares that much about their trust rating on btt.   Do they really get all of their players from this forum? I would freak out too if that was the case  

[JollyGood]

LFC_Bitcoin probably got irate when he saw the video of the PMs but only he could comment to clarify. Sure he should not have said certain things but I think he already apologised when it became apparent there was a hack.

Sportsbet are clamping down hard on users that breach their ToS. If it were the word of a newbie alleging wrongdoing by Sportsbet it would be hard to accept it and maybe that is why LFC_Bitcoin decided to strongly post what he thought was the obvious. I also found it hard to believe a company turning over millions of USD$ per annum would scam a user out of a couple of hundred of dollars at most. Not saying it cannot be done but I highly doubt it.

Side chain is a criminal and I am glad you mentioned it. I wonder if anybody can manage to discover his usual/regular user name here.

side chain is a fucking criminal but LFC made his job a lot easier by freaking the fucking out.

adding a dude (forgot his name) with a blank trust page to his dt...
he can add anyone he wants but his addition affected the flag's visibility and It was pretty obvious that was his intention. Not illegal, but i am not sure if it was ethical. (ethics are important)

in his pm's he can ask whatever he pleases. since those pm's were acquired illegally, i can't really comment about them.
bitcoinclub made it public by telling us he got a pm from lfc though. if bitcoinclub opposes or supports the flag without reviewing the case, that's on him. LFC has nothing to be blamed here.

and what LFC said about bitcoinclub after he got hacked... well, that was't nice.

I still don't understand why he acts like that. I don't think even the CEO of sportsbet.io cares that much about their trust rating on btt.   Do they really get all of their players from this forum? I would freak out too if that was the case  

[mindrust]

I also found it hard to believe a company turning over millions of USD$ per annum would scam a user out of a couple of hundred of dollars at most. Not saying it cannot be done but I highly doubt it.

Finding it hard to believe is something, losing your mind over it is something else. LFC did the second one.

[JollyGood]

I agree, yes he did post a strong manner and unfortunately when others claimed he seemed biased, he reacted more - maybe he was having a bad day.

Most important thing is this whole issue about newbies making allegations against Sportsbet is that Sportsbet have been correct and the ones making allegations have been wrong because Sportsbet have ToS which users agree to and if those users breach the ToS then Sportsbet are under no obligation to make public what their reasons for suspending the user accounts are.

In these few threads about newbies making allegations against Sportsbet, on the evidence available I found no wrongdoing by Sportsbet. I did find issues with the stories being presented by those making allegations when they play ignorant and play innocent.

For users that think Sportsbet are scammers, they should simply go elsewhere to gamble.

For users that do not like or do not accept Sportsbet ToS, they should simply go elsewhere to gamble but do not play there then complain here after they have been caught out breaching their ToS.

Simple solution.

I also found it hard to believe a company turning over millions of USD$ per annum would scam a user out of a couple of hundred of dollars at most. Not saying it cannot be done but I highly doubt it.

Finding it hard to believe is something, losing your mind over it is something else. LFC did the second one.

[Laudanum]

Rustymind and suchmoron are clearly fucking retarded and dishonest shit eating cunts.

1. There is no proof of hack. That is impossible to prove with the information you have.
2. If there was proof of hack it would not
a/ change the fact lfcbitcoin is a fucking liar claiming he never asked people to reject the flag when he had done so
b/ change that lfc bitcoin is caught adding people to his inclusions right after they do exactly what he is messaging others to do which is collude with him to protect his sponsor by rejecting flags.
3. Suchmoron even states that lfcbitcoin was misrepresenting their conversation to a degree that they felt required they must remove lfcbitcoin from their trust list.


This is without taking into consideration this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136759.msg50795949#msg50795949

I'd almost forgotten what a cesspool of low functioning plebs all scrapping around for btc dust one must sully themselves with simply to see the truth presented.  I'd also forgotten the fun it was to slap bunch of scammy miscreants around and watch them drool and spaz out trying to prevent the truth being heard.
Feels great to be a good guy.

Hilarious to try and discount all the important  above points and shift focus to something you can't even prove happened.
Lfc says the guy was getting worried that side was angry and wanting info? Then suddenly hacked  and gets the info? Oh really?

Mindrust is a fucking pleb. Is it unethical? Did nothing wrong?
Sounds like the sort of twat that sells bitcoin at the bottom only to watch it explode back straight away.

Hmm lfcbitcoin calling kids bastards now? Well that fits with his obsession with child sex abuse as you can see from reading the thread I have linked to.

Jollygood? That scammer enabling shit stain. Who refuses to hold his DT1 human centipede shit eaters to the same standards as he holds those he believes can do him no harm? You can't trust anything that imbecile says for the above reason plus is all falls to pieces as soon as you put it under the mildest of scrutiny.

If a person is on DT1 it is likely they are dirty and untrustworthy. That's how the system works. There are perhaps a handful of exceptions.

[mindrust]

Get mad you sick fuck. Your play didn't go as you planned.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

He's back Guys, he's back!  

Who else has noticed that this is cryptohunter behind the @Laudanum alt account. He seems to be the last member have high affinity for theSuchmoron nick.

He's very angry as always

What an excellent member we have here "suchmoron"

Why don't you red trust me for tell you now that you are a paid2post financially motivated poster like the rest of your gang.
@suchmoron

How can you say someone is claiming the work as their own if the link to original source is listed in the same post 2nd link at the bottom? you dumb cunt suchmoron.

Suchmoron has tried using sock puppets like scumbuster before to get the true legend banned. You can ban an account but a legends true voice can never be silenced.

You are being laughed at right now. This is us laughing in your fat chubby little face. Thanks this is another funny moment brought to you by suchmoron. BRILLIANT.

Who cares you fat pig. I am sure the true legend is basking in the sun somewhere enjoying himself. Bitcointalk a distant memory of a once great forum.  He probably will return again when the board is cleansed of the net negative non achieving dirt like you suchmoron.

Rustymind and suchmoron are clearly fucking retarded and dishonest shit eating cunts.

Ah, same old suchmoron.
Refuses to explain and then runs away and hides when you start to hammer out the details of it's claims.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

cryptotard is the guy who hacked BitcoinGirl imo

[Laudanum]

Get mad you sick fuck. Your play didn't go as you planned.

Hey wanna buy some bitcoin for 12k a pop moron lol
Sell at 3k buy at 12k. You know how it goes.

Now back on topic you dumb cum guzzling broke down bum.

Lol is it unethical? Is lying wrong? I can't comment on facts due to my speculation on how they were obtained.
How much DT1 meat are they shoving in your holes you peasant pleb?
Lfcbitcoin is proven liar and caught red handed handing inclusions after people collude with him.
Keep swallowing that semen and getting skull fucked in public you mess.
A few more weeks of sig spamming you'll have micro dust to dump at the next collapse.

As if I would go through this to prove lfc is a liar? I find his other traits far more concerning his relationship with vod is likely pure vile. Imagine hacking their machines.  Hell.
He's a pleb like you a harmless broke down monkey. Where did the organ grinder go?

Peasants must not be permitted near DT it stands to reason.
Still it's bad for his sponsors should someone choose to constantly leverage the fact they are employing liars and DT manipulators to prevent their tagging.

[mindrust]

The money I lost from that trade is only 2.5btc. LoL what does that have to do with anything anyway. I can make that money back in a year at worst ( already made some of them back since gold made its thing- to da meewn) but your reputation will never recover from the deep shit it is in..

[JollyGood]

This Laudanum alt-account is an absolute disgusting low-life who needs psychological help and deserves to be put on ignore. Reading this drivel just re-enforces the point that he is mentally unstable.

 

Rustymind and suchmoron are clearly fucking retarded and dishonest shit eating cunts.

1. There is no proof of hack. That is impossible to prove with the information you have.
2. If there was proof of hack it would not
a/ change the fact lfcbitcoin is a fucking liar claiming he never asked people to reject the flag when he had done so
b/ change that lfc bitcoin is caught adding people to his inclusions right after they do exactly what he is messaging others to do which is collude with him to protect his sponsor by rejecting flags.
3. Suchmoron even states that lfcbitcoin was misrepresenting their conversation to a degree that they felt required they must remove lfcbitcoin from their trust list.


This is without taking into consideration this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136759.msg50795949#msg50795949

I'd almost forgotten what a cesspool of low functioning plebs all scrapping around for btc dust one must sully themselves with simply to see the truth presented.  I'd also forgotten the fun it was to slap bunch of scammy miscreants around and watch them drool and spaz out trying to prevent the truth being heard.
Feels great to be a good guy.

Hilarious to try and discount all the important  above points and shift focus to something you can't even prove happened.
Lfc says the guy was getting worried that side was angry and wanting info? Then suddenly hacked  and gets the info? Oh really?

Mindrust is a fucking pleb. Is it unethical? Did nothing wrong?
Sounds like the sort of twat that sells bitcoin at the bottom only to watch it explode back straight away.

Hmm lfcbitcoin calling kids bastards now? Well that fits with his obsession with child sex abuse as you can see from reading the thread I have linked to.

Jollygood? That scammer enabling shit stain. Who refuses to hold his DT1 human centipede shit eaters to the same standards as he holds those he believes can do him no harm? You can't trust anything that imbecile says for the above reason plus is all falls to pieces as soon as you put it under the mildest of scrutiny.

If a person is on DT1 it is likely they are dirty and untrustworthy. That's how the system works. There are perhaps a handful of exceptions.

[Laudanum]

The money I lost from that trade is only 2.5btc. LoL what does that have to do with anything anyway. I can make that money back in a year at worst ( already made some of them back since gold made its thing- to da meewn) but your reputation will never recover from the deep shit it is in..

Only 2.5 btc.  Ha okay whale.
Why the crying it was all you had? Lol gold. Thanks for the laugh. If you had copper I would be shocked.
What If your sponsors suddenly found it undesirable and a negative to their business to let you shill?
I shouldn't complain think I may have bought those off you thanks for the free money friend.
Poor old rustymind.  To think I've been dining and enjoying myself on your stupidity for a few months is very satisfying. Think of all that gold you could have had rather than paying for me to live well.  

What deep shit? Tell me more. Bring evidence please. None will be forthcoming because mr gold ingots  here talks shit.
Reputation? That's a concern for broke ass losers. Not those who have made it already.
Although if you can provide no evidence my reputation is mint and in perfect condition.

Tip there will never be incontrovertible proof for something that never happened.

Now lfc bitcoin has been proven a liar with financial motivation that is pretty much scamming or scam facilitating.
You are attempting to whitewash it.  I bet you love a good DT1 whitewashing don't you?

This thread is about lfcbitcoin lying and manipulating the trust system. Take your hacking speculation to another thread. I doubt the account was hacked.  Theymos should look.  People just like using PM reveals to demonstrate lfcbitcoin is a backstabbing lying cheating and manipulating piece of shit.

I just stumbled on to this gem after the event. But I will make sure it is not forgotten.  Don't you guys worry DT1 smashing is my fav.

Lfcbitcoin had no rep he was a one line shit poster for years on end ...now a lying shill with scary obsession for child sex abuse.
Letting tman give him those protein injections was always going to damage his feeble mind.

So back on topic to lfcbitcoin proven lying and manipulation of DT and flags for his own financial interests.  


When low functioning dregs like jollygood and rusty mind or suchmoron or actually 99% of DT1 understand they can not dare to directly discuss the damning evidence or any specifics at all without being humiliated and crushed in public they run and try to hide behind claims of trolling,  mental illness, or just dive behind ignore.

He should be allowed to post the truth they cry. Just because he has indisputable proof and we can't debunk anything he says ...we don't like having out skulls crushed in public over and over again.

Stop crying jollygood you turd world peasant pleb.  Let's get specific let's examine the evidence together you cowardly little DT1 parasite.
Why so scared? Only want you to answer a few questions and provide some evidence. Why not?

[mindrust]

Are you sure you don't need a doctor? You sound unstable af.

Call 911 if you need help the professionals will take care of you.

[o_e_l_e_o]

We've been over this 1000 times before. Just put Cryptohunter on ignore please.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm not going to get pulled in to any drama here, I just wanted to point something out for everyone throwing around the word "manipulative".

If I PM someone and say "Can you red trust this person/exclude this person/support this flag/oppose this flag." - Not manipulative.

If I PM someone and say "You must red trust this person/exclude this person/support this flag/oppose this flag, or else I will red trust you/remove my inclusion of you/exclude you/not give you any more merit/share your nudes." - Manipulative.

DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.

[asche]

If I PM someone and say "Can you red trust this person/exclude this person/support this flag/oppose this flag." - Definitely manipulative.

If I PM someone and say "You must red trust this person/exclude this person/support this flag/oppose this flag, or else I will red trust you/remove my inclusion of you/exclude you/not give you any more merit/share your nudes." - Blackmail/extortion.

I allowed myself to correct your wording in bold.

If someone that has some high reputation/is your friend/etc, explicitely asks you to do something, it definitely is manipulation.

Second example is 100% blackmail tho.

[Laudanum]

We've been over this 1000 times before. Just put Cryptohunter on ignore please.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm not going to get pulled in to any drama here, I just wanted to point something out for everyone throwing around the word "manipulative".

If I PM someone and say "Can you red trust this person/exclude this person/support this flag/oppose this flag." - Not manipulative.

If I PM someone and say "You must red trust this person/exclude this person/support this flag/oppose this flag, or else I will red trust you/remove my inclusion of you/exclude you/not give you any more merit/share your nudes." - Manipulative.

DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.

Wrong the pm clearly is asking them to reject the tags on his sponsor. He has sent them money before for and then lied about doing iaskikg them to reject the flags , knowing full well it is wrong to just start requesting this kind of action.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If someone that has some high reputation/is your friend/etc, explicitely asks you to do something, it definitely is manipulation.

I would disagree that all requests are inherently manipulative simply because they come from a friend or a person with a good reputation.

[suchmoon]

If someone that has some high reputation/is your friend/etc, explicitely asks you to do something, it definitely is manipulation.

A friend asking for something is called being a friend. A friend asking for something unreasonable is a bit of an asshole but probably still a friend. Intent matters. If one doesn't leverage/abuse their high reputation / friendship / etc I don't see how you can call that manipulative. Otherwise someone like cryptohunter who has no reputation or friends would be a shining example of non-manipulativeness

[asche]

If someone that has some high reputation/is your friend/etc, explicitely asks you to do something, it definitely is manipulation.

A friend asking for something is called being a friend. A friend asking for something unreasonable is a bit of an asshole but probably still a friend. Intent matters. If one doesn't leverage/abuse their high reputation / friendship / etc I don't see how you can call that manipulative. Otherwise someone like cryptohunter who has no reputation or friends would be a shining example of non-manipulativeness

never said it was negative. But it's indeed manipulation. Because I or anyone might do what the friend asks, because it is your friend.
I'm not saying it's wrong or not natural. It manipulates what you would have done otherwise tho.

Then again I don't see an big issue in what LFC did in contacting BitcoinGirl, and I have stated so before.

[Laudanum]

If someone that has some high reputation/is your friend/etc, explicitely asks you to do something, it definitely is manipulation.

A friend asking for something is called being a friend. A friend asking for something unreasonable is a bit of an asshole but probably still a friend. Intent matters. If one doesn't leverage/abuse their high reputation / friendship / etc I don't see how you can call that manipulative. Otherwise someone like cryptohunter who has no reputation or friends would be a shining example of non-manipulativeness

Asking to reject a flag against your sponsor is unreasonable

Hence why lfc lied about doing it.

He knows he should have said can you review the evidence and so what you think best.

Suchmoron is also does not mention lfc has sent him money before.

Why lie about it? You accept he lied suchmoon right

Yes or no??

Watch the fat slob run off without daring to answer.

[suchmoon]

never said it was negative. But it's indeed manipulation. Because I or anyone might do what the friend asks, because it is your friend.
I'm not saying it's wrong or not natural. It manipulates what you would have done otherwise tho.

Perhaps we're just not on the same page as to what "manipulative" means then - it definitely has a negative meaning to me. Or Google:

Manipulative: "characterized by unscrupulous control of a situation or person."
Unscrupulous: "having or showing no moral principles; not honest or fair."

[LoyceV]

If someone that has some high reputation/is your friend/etc, explicitely asks you to do something, it definitely is manipulation.

I would disagree that all requests are inherently manipulative simply because they come from a friend or a person with a good reputation.

I'd say it's entirely up to you if you let yourself be manipulated from a PM. I think theymos had less than 10% success rate when he asked DT1 to exclude Lauda, which makes me believe many users don't just do anything they're asked.

[mindrust]

Most of us don't see theymos as a friend 

[asche]

If someone that has some high reputation/is your friend/etc, explicitely asks you to do something, it definitely is manipulation.

I would disagree that all requests are inherently manipulative simply because they come from a friend or a person with a good reputation.

Asking someone to review something is neutral a non manipulative.

Asking someone to take a position according to yours is manipulative in regards to the decision making.
I'm not a complete naive and I know that's exactly how the world works. The more friends you have, the more votes you get. But let's just call it what it is, shall we?

Edit:

@suchmoon

Found under 'manipulation':

Social influence is not necessarily negative. For example, people such as friends, family and doctors, can try to persuade to change clearly unhelpful habits and behaviors. Social influence is generally perceived to be harmless when it respects the right of the influenced to accept or reject it, and is not unduly coercive. Depending on the context and motivations, social influence may constitute underhanded manipulation.

[PrimeNumber7]

What would you call asking bitcoingirl.club to lie about why she is taking her stance?

[Laudanum]

If someone that has some high reputation/is your friend/etc, explicitely asks you to do something, it definitely is manipulation.

I would disagree that all requests are inherently manipulative simply because they come from a friend or a person with a good reputation.

I'd say it's entirely up to you if you let yourself be manipulated from a PM. I think theymos had less than 10% success rate when he asked DT1 to exclude Lauda, which makes me believe many users don't just do anything they're asked.

Robovac enters totally forgetting how lfcbitcoin admitted he was forced and manipulated against his will by PM to backstabbing  billgator at the request of lauda cos didnt want to fall out with " them"

Lol you can't have both ways morons.

You bunch of dummies are hilarious.

So far...

1. Lfc proven liar
2  shady as fuck includes to those colluding to protect his sponsor quick backtrack
3. Crying again pms have shown him to be scum
4. Blaming others for revealing the truth about him
5. Suchmoon excludes lfc for gross misrepresentation of their messages but won't give details.

Thanks for the laughs.

Not proven

1. Any hack took place
2. Who did the hack that may not have taken place

Now a lot twisting and turning trying to make it all someone else's fault.

Haha dirty turds 1 what a cess pool.


Suchmoon is a crazy mofo. I note now it gets jealous of any kind of attention stealing.
It was all negative on lfcbitcoin now swinging 180 not even able to confirm the documented lie lfc has told.

Do you agree lfcbitcoin was lying suchmoon? Yes or no

How hard is it?

[pam_alt_]

Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage. Password sent to your PM.

Why are you playing with me mate? I was excited to see the post but I do not see any PM from you. You have no idea how hard it's going on with me. Please stop it.

[DooMAD]

We've been over this 1000 times before. Just put Cryptohunter on ignore please.

Which one?  I swear they're getting close to the number of accounts anonymint made over the years.  Getting that same manic, obsessive compulsive vibe.  They won't stop until they're banned.  And even then, there's still a chance they won't stop.

[JollyGood]

It is very sad to see the hacker that committed a criminal act by hacking in to your emails raising your hopes by saying he sent you the password but then lied.

Though hell is punishment enough, this evil low-life deserves to find abode in one of the most painful parts of hell for the misery he has caused you.

Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage. Password sent to your PM.

Why are you playing with me mate? I was excited to see the post but I do not see any PM from you. You have no idea how hard it's going on with me. Please stop it.

[Laudanum]

We've been over this 1000 times before. Just put Cryptohunter on ignore please.

Which one?  I swear they're getting close to the number of accounts anonymint made over the years.  Getting that same manic, obsessive compulsive vibe.  They won't stop until they're banned.  And even then, there's still a chance they won't stop.

Shut up fool.
You're as always meandering way off topic.
See my last post and try to debunk something  there you waste of space.

As per usual the entire DT1 rat crew are unable to refute anything that I say.

Now review the post and debunk it or fuck off you snivelling little twat.

Can you dare to answer even one question every other coward on DT1 refuses to answer?

Do you accept the evidence presented demonstrates lfcbitcoin  is a liar?
Yes or no?

[mindrust]

Yes or no?

Will you fuck off if somebody answers?

[Laudanum]

Yes or no?

Will you fuck off if somebody answers?

No rustymind.

I get horny when you all run away terrified of confirming that which the publically available evidence  reveals loud and clear.

It makes you all look like colluding slimeballs that dare not even say yes or no to me .  It's my viagra.

When I ask for specific evidence to substantiate your claims and  allegations and the deafening silence or diversionary irrelevant excuses are spewed out in desperation. Now ...that is addictive.

Imagine walking into a bar of 30 bad guys,  all bullies and general degenerate thugs. Then single handedly beating them into snivelling  submission until they run away and hide up all crying and busted up.

You leave them and go home get on with your usual things girls , cars, girls, bench pressing 400lbs for 15 reps , living the dream etc.

That bar full of bullies and scum bags is always calling out though. Of course they all need another good thrashing. It is as much for them as it is myself. They like to be dominated.

Now we have that sorted out.

Do you accept that lfcbitcoin lied? Yes or No?

Page 6 if you need to review again. 

[Rizzrack]

Why are you playing with me mate? I was excited to see the post but I do not see any PM from you. You have no idea how hard it's going on with me. Please stop it.

The account BitcoinGirl.Club is currently locked.
So the password would not help you as no one is logging in that account for the moment at least.
Please continue the recovery process through email and if everything checks out you will get the account unlocked.

[hacker1001101001]

What would you call asking bitcoingirl.club to lie about why she is taking her stance?

It is 100% manipulation. I think people with cycles in their avatar are trying to back LFC's action's now.

I just wanted to point something out for everyone throwing around the word "manipulative".

I don't see how you can call that manipulative.

I'd say it's entirely up to you if you let yourself be manipulated from a PM.

Doesn't look good at all.

@Theymos, when Blacklist ?

[Side chain]

Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage. Password sent to your PM.

Why are you playing with me mate? I was excited to see the post but I do not see any PM from you. You have no idea how hard it's going on with me. Please stop it.

I am sorry, please allow PM from newbies in pam_alt_ account. It's sad to see everyone is busy with CH now. All off topic!

For the users who are still trusting LFC_bitcoin:

1. kingcolex (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (248 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. peloso (Trust: +2 / =3 / -3) (171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. bitserve (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (922 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. TMAN (Trust: +28 / =0 / -1) (1305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Searing (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (323 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =6 / -0) (470 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. jeremypwr (Trust: +18 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (1) 428 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. Swordsoffreedom (Trust: neutral) (74 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Globb0 (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (867 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. SiNeReiNZzz (Trust: neutral) (55 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. JayJuanGee (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2029 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. bitebits (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (505 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. owlcatz (Trust: +48 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (20) 364 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. examplens (Trust: +2 / =3 / -0) (244 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. nutildah (Trust: +8 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (11) 2506 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. Joca97 (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (7 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. Fakhoury (Trust: +5 / =0 / -2) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. SyGambler (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (665 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (228 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. bones261 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (823 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. Last of the V8s (Trust: +8 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (0) 3406 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. DeathAngel (Trust: neutral) (301 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. bob123 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (6) 1657 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. eddie13 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 992 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. BitcoinGirl.Club (Trust: +1 / =1 / -5) (730 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
26. Hhampuz (Trust: +85 / =3 / -0) (2128 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. buwaytress (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (861 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. Csmiami (Trust: +1 / =2 / -0) (342 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
29. JollyGood (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (703 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
30. CryptopreneurBrainboss (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (1391 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
31. El duderino_ (Trust: +24 / =1 / -0) (3871 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. kenzawak (Trust: +0 / =1 / -13) (841 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
33. Don Pedro Dinero (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (4583 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
35. Kylapoiss (Trust: neutral) (187 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
36. fillippone (Trust: +10 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (14) 3762 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
37. DireWolfM14 (Trust: +19 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (14) 1832 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
38. Harkorede (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (417 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
39. twiki (Trust: neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
40. MisterBitconio (Trust: neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trusting a shill who has no moral is any good for the community? There are some interesting actions came from him.
"He distrust users who distrust him"
"Miss representation of the PM sent from his pals"
"He never received money from sportsbet"
"He never asked bitcoingril to oppose flag"
"Added then removed then added again a questionable user in the trust list"
"He blindly backs his employer and asks others to do the same"

If I give this guy 0.02 BTC a week which is 0.002 BTC more than his current employer for the next few months or years then slowly he will start backing my action too 
You still think this guy cares about the community? He cares more about his employers. Your trust inclusion is his strength to benefit his employers not the community.

[Hhampuz]

I'm good, thank you though!

[Side chain]

It is fine for jeremypwr, DeathAngel, DireWolfM14 and users who are wearing sportsbet/bitcasino signatures. Eventually all of these users are shilling for the same employer to secure their weekly payments.

[LoyceV]

I'd say it's entirely up to you if you let yourself be manipulated from a PM.

If you let yourself be manipulated by PM on an internet forum, you really have to work on your priorities! Who cares what someone on the internet thinks about you/them/someone?
I'm totally fine with being persuaded with arguments though.

Yes or no?

Will you fuck off if somebody answers?

That's a tricky one, as I have the troll on ignore and don't want to read the context. So I'm taking a guess, but I'm feeling positive today, so I'm going with "yes".
Now please all ignore the troll, he's had his 5 minutes of fame again by creating yet another account.

[JollyGood]

Ever since marlboroza outed this scamming little low-life he has been posting trash in threads to attention seek while avoiding answering accusations about his scam activities.

This pathetic hacker1001101001 should get back to the thread he is running away from and answer the questions about how many accounts heu created to bump ICO threads with propaganda in lieu of payments:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.msg54227233#msg54227233

What would you call asking bitcoingirl.club to lie about why she is taking her stance?

It is 100% manipulation. I think people with cycles in their avatar are trying to back LFC's action's now.

I just wanted to point something out for everyone throwing around the word "manipulative".

I don't see how you can call that manipulative.

I'd say it's entirely up to you if you let yourself be manipulated from a PM.

Doesn't look good at all.

@Theymos, when Blacklist ?

[sirazimuth]

....snipped <same old CH shit>

okay CH, as if it ain't obvious.
I know you need a reply from a legendary to stroke your pathetic ego...here ya go.

[NotATether]

Sorry BitcoinGirl.Club for all inconvenience. My goal was not to do any damage. Password sent to your PM.

Why are you playing with me mate? I was excited to see the post but I do not see any PM from you. You have no idea how hard it's going on with me. Please stop it.

I am sorry, please allow PM from newbies in pam_alt_ account. It's sad to see everyone is busy with CH now. All off topic!

And give them back their email password too to end this whole ordeal.

[PrimeNumber7]

For the users who are still trusting LFC_bitcoin:

...

I have noticed that many, or maybe most people base their trust lists based more on personal interactions than business interactions. This has resulted in the sone of the most ‘trusted’ people not being businessmen. It also gives cover to people to keep others on their trust lists who have questionable ethics.

You are free to highlight those who have LFC on their trust lists, but I think you are wasting your time and won’t achieve anything other than cause stress for yourself. LFC seems to be a nice enough guy and appears to love bitcoin, which I can appreciate. This is true even if I condemn what he did in this case.

I hope everyone will just move on. As in nearly all disputes involving the trust system, no one appears to be willing to even acknowledge those with opposing views could possibly be in the right. 

[suchmoon]

I have noticed that many, or maybe most people base their trust lists based more on personal interactions than business interactions. This has resulted in the sone of the most ‘trusted’ people not being businessmen. It also gives cover to people to keep others on their trust lists who have questionable ethics.

Perhaps many, or maybe most people can read.

List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists, one user per line.

[PrimeNumber7]

I have noticed that many, or maybe most people base their trust lists based more on personal interactions than business interactions. This has resulted in the sone of the most ‘trusted’ people not being businessmen. It also gives cover to people to keep others on their trust lists who have questionable ethics.

Perhaps many, or maybe most people can read.

List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists, one user per line.

I guess the concept of self governance isn’t for everyone, or something you believe in.

[Rikafip]

I have noticed that many, or maybe most people base their trust lists based more on personal interactions than business interactions. This has resulted in the sone of the most ‘trusted’ people not being businessmen. It also gives cover to people to keep others on their trust lists who have questionable ethics.

When I look at this from LoyceV Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system, it seems that trust lists shouldn't be based on business interactions but on whether you trust someone else's judgment.

You should add users who left accurate feedback and have good Trust lists to your Trust list, and you should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback.
This means your Trust list should be based on how you value the users' judgement on others, and it should not be based on whether or not you Trust those users (with money) or traded with them.

Isn't Trust Feedback more appropriate for business interactions?

[suchmoon]

I guess the concept of self governance isn’t for everyone, or something you believe in.

Non sequitur. "Being businessmen" is a straw man, it's not a criteria for trust lists and it has fuck all to do with "self governance".

Isn't Trust Feedback more appropriate for business interactions?

Yes, but that's not gonna prevent lying sockuppeting weasels from trying to spin it their way.

[Laudanum]

I guess the concept of self governance isn’t for everyone, or something you believe in.

Non sequitur. "Being businessmen" is a straw man, it's not a criteria for trust lists and it has fuck all to do with "self governance".

Isn't Trust Feedback more appropriate for business interactions?

Yes, but that's not gonna prevent lying sockuppeting weasels from trying to spin it their way.

Perhaps it should be criteria for trust lists.

It seems nobody in DT1 will even confirm when asked that which the publically available evidence clearly and undeniable demonstrates.
You're all weasels.

Lfcbitcoin was lying. He did clearly request his pal who has sent money to previously to reject the flag against his sponsors.
Suchmoon says lfc bitcoin misrepresented their messages to such a degree that he removed him from his trust list but didnt tag him.
Then when called to explain suchmoron runs off and usual.

You can't trust anyone on DT1 except a tiny handful perhaps less than 5 people.

This thread is a another gold mine in terms of lies, and even more the collusion and refusal to even admit he lied. Not one will simply answer yes and tell the truth lol.

[JollyGood]

 

I guess there is not much to say that can add to the image below  

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I think people with cycles in their avatar are trying to back LFC's action's now.

Well now that you indirectly brought me into this (and are implying a conspiracy of some sort), I'll have to go back and re-read this entire thread, because honestly at this point I have no idea what exactly happened.  I do remember getting the initial impression that LFC_Bitcoin had engaged in some low-level shenanigans, but sentiment among some of the members posting in this thread seem to indicate that it was worse than that.

Just for the record, I've got a cycle in my avatar but nobody has tried to sway my opinion on this drama in any way.  I ended up tuning it all out until about five minutes ago when I read several of the most recent posts here.  The fact that the "cyclers" happen to be agreeing with one another doesn't surprise me at all.  That's usually been the case on other matters from what I've seen, but I don't think there's anything going on behind the scenes if that's what you think.

I need a TL;DR.  If anyone wants to write an unbiased one that succinctly explains what has transpired with LFC_Bitcoin and the hack and everything else, I would be happy to give merits generously for anything useful until I've been brought up to speed.  This would be a perfect use of the merit system.

[suchmoon]

I need a TL;DR.  If anyone wants to write an unbiased one that succinctly explains what has transpired with LFC_Bitcoin and the hack and everything else, I would be happy to give merits generously for anything useful until I've been brought up to speed.  This would be a perfect use of the merit system.

LFC_Bitcoin sent out some PMs to his friends and acquaintances on this forum. At the time he claimed that he asked those users to look at flags raised against Sportsbet.io, and didn't ask to oppose the flags.

The OP hacked BitcoinGirl.Club's account and leaked the PMs in question showing that LFC_Bitcoin asked to oppose the flags. Prior to that a lot of noise was made about whether it's ethical to ask to oppose flags, which I think is bullshit (there ends the "unbiased" part LOL) as anyone can ask anything and can also get told to fuck off, but the whole debacle probably pushed LFC_Bitcoin to make the stupidly false claim that he didn't ask for opposition.

There was a lot of speculation about the hack and whatnot and the usual suspects like the guild members jumping in to stir some extra shit into all this but it's boring and probably of no interest to you.

And please don't send me any merits unless you want to give crypthunter an orgasm.

 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

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OK, I actually knew most of what you wrote (but thanks for writing it anyway).  I guess I'm confused as to LFC_Bitcoin's relationship is with Sportsbet.io and why he sent those PMs--and I might have simply forgotten.  What was written in OP's post wasn't written very clearly--or I'm brain dead.

One thing I wasn't fully aware of was that LFC_Bitcoin denied asking for opposition to that flag, and whether he actually did  ask for opposition (or just asked people to "look at the flag").  Is that the big controversy?  

Edit:

Yes, that's pretty much the molehill that got a 15-page-long LED floodlight built next to it to make its shadow look like a mountain.

Ah, gotcha.

LFC is being paid by bitcasino, which shares common ownership with sportsbet. The common ownership is not obvious to the casual onlooker.

One thing that SM left out was that, in the PM that LFC sent, he asked bitcoingirl.club to lie, and LFC explicitly said in his PM that him sending a PM looks like shilling for sportsbet.

OK, all of that info is helpful, especially the first part about the relationship between the two casinos. 

I'm going to give the OP another read-through just for shits & giggles.

[suchmoon]

OK, I actually knew most of what you wrote (but thanks for writing it anyway).  I guess I'm confused as to LFC_Bitcoin's relationship is with Sportsbet.io and why he sent those PMs--and I might have simply forgotten.  What was written in OP's post wasn't written very clearly--or I'm brain dead.

He's in their sig campaign (or rather their sister site bitcasino.io) and apparently 100% certain that sportsbet/bitcasino are not scammers.

One thing I wasn't fully aware of was that LFC_Bitcoin denied asking for opposition to that flag, and whether he actually did  ask for opposition (or just asked people to "look at the flag").  Is that the big controversy?  

Yes, that's pretty much the molehill that got a 15-page-long LED floodlight built next to it to make its shadow look like a mountain.

[PrimeNumber7]

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OK, I actually knew most of what you wrote (but thanks for writing it anyway).  I guess I'm confused as to LFC_Bitcoin's relationship is with Sportsbet.io and why he sent those PMs--and I might have simply forgotten.  What was written in OP's post wasn't written very clearly--or I'm brain dead.

One thing I wasn't fully aware of was that LFC_Bitcoin denied asking for opposition to that flag, and whether he actually did  ask for opposition (or just asked people to "look at the flag").  Is that the big controversy? 

LFC is being paid by bitcasino, which shares common ownership with sportsbet. The common ownership is not obvious to the casual onlooker.

One thing that SM left out was that, in the PM that LFC sent, he asked bitcoingirl.club to lie, and LFC explicitly said in his PM that him sending a PM looks like shilling for sportsbet.

[hacker1001101001]

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I don't think there is anything behind the scenes, everything is clear. All of the replies I quoted in my previous post were wearing a merits cycling avatar and had baised views about the case, claiming that LFC's action was not manipulative where as it was highly manipulative in the first place in many aspects of the situation. Most importantly it manipulated the flag against sportsbet. There became an unexpected need of unbiased DT1's like Royse777 and efialtis to actually fight or even attract exclusions from other DT powered user's supporting LFC and Sportsbet at specific to bring justice at the table.

I don't know how you see this, but I would never try to fuck with the weaker side of the case, even after all evidences are presented by the victim.

There was a lot of speculation about the hack and whatnot and the usual suspects like the guild members jumping in to stir some extra shit into all this but it's boring and probably of no interest to you.

And please don't send me any merits unless you want to give crypthunter an orgasm.

Bad attempt to fly him back. You should show what PMs you sent to LFC that he got a big backing bump.

[nutildah]

One thing that SM left out was that, in the PM that LFC sent, he asked bitcoingirl.club to lie

No he didn't. If you're referring to the part where he says "just say I asked you to look at the flags & oppose them if you thought necessary," how is that a "lie"? You keep repeating he asked him to lie, but that in itself is a lie.

[suchmoon]

You should show what PMs you sent to LFC that he got a big backing bump.

Ok. I suppose that's Klingon. I translated it to English and back a few times and this is what I got:

God be wi' you, sir.

Sounds about right.

[PrimeNumber7]

One thing that SM left out was that, in the PM that LFC sent, he asked bitcoingirl.club to lie

No he didn't. If you're referring to the part where he says "just say I asked you to look at the flags & oppose them if you thought necessary," how is that a "lie"? You keep repeating he asked him to lie, but that in itself is a lie.

That is a lie because that is not what LFC asked bitcoingirl.club to do. LFC asked her to:
"Bro, could you oppose these false flags these ass hats have done against sportsbet, would help them"

LFC asked her to oppose the flags. Not to look at the evidence, and not to make her own judgment.

[nutildah]

One thing that SM left out was that, in the PM that LFC sent, he asked bitcoingirl.club to lie

No he didn't. If you're referring to the part where he says "just say I asked you to look at the flags & oppose them if you thought necessary," how is that a "lie"? You keep repeating he asked him to lie, but that in itself is a lie.

That is a lie because that is not what LFC asked bitcoingirl.club to do. LFC asked her to:
"Bro, could you oppose these false flags these ass hats have done against sportsbet, would help them"

LFC asked her to oppose the flags. Not to look at the evidence, and not to make her own judgment.

 

You're being overly myopic here. The conversation contained more relevant back and forth after the statement you highlighted. Tell us what your end goal is by continuing to harp on this dead issue.

If anything we should be trying to figure out who side chain is so we can get their main account tagged and removed from whatever sig campaign they are currently in.

[PrimeNumber7]

Tell us what your end goal is

I have no agenda. I only seek the unbiased truth.

If anything we should be trying to figure out who side chain is so we can get their main account tagged and removed from whatever sig campaign they are currently in.

I see no benefit to that. You are also making a number of unproven assumptions, such as that there is a hacker, that the hacker, if he exists is a regular forum user, and that he is in a signature campaign.

If the hacker does exist, my prime suspect would be the person that SB refused to pay out. My second suspect would be anyone else SB has refused to pay out.

It seems like you are more concerned about LFC's shanaggians exposed than the shanaggians themselves.

[hacker1001101001]

You should show what PMs you sent to LFC that he got a big backing bump.

Ok. I suppose that's Klingon. I translated it to English and back a few times and this is what I got:

God be wi' you, sir.

Sounds about right.

I am not suppose to post that backing PM again to prove it. I don't want be labled as promoting unethical hacking by topic twisters like you.

[suchmoon]

You should show what PMs you sent to LFC that he got a big backing bump.

Ok. I suppose that's Klingon. I translated it to English and back a few times and this is what I got:

God be wi' you, sir.

Sounds about right.

I am not suppose to post that backing PM again to prove it. I don't want be labled as promoting unethical hacking by topic twisters like you.

Or you could post in English and not make me guess what you want to say.

Let me untwist this. You hacked my account and you got some PM to prove something but you can't post it because you're so ethical. Is that what you're trying to say?

[JollyGood]

I don't know how you see this, but I would never try to fuck with the weaker side of the case, even after all evidences are presented by the victim.

You really are about as useful as a bull in a China shop.

You complain about this and that but you avoid explaining how may alts you have and how many users colluded in your game of receiving payments for making posts to bump ICO threads.

There was a lot of speculation about the hack and whatnot and the usual suspects like the guild members jumping in to stir some extra shit into all this but it's boring and probably of no interest to you.

And please don't send me any merits unless you want to give crypthunter an orgasm.

Bad attempt to fly him back. You should show what PMs you sent to LFC that he got a big backing bump.

Nobody owes you anything, why should anybody release any PMs to a multi-alt scammer such as you?

[notblox1]

Will LFC_bitcoin sin of sending PM to other members ever be forgiven by trolls and hackers from this forum?  
I guess the answer is no.
I can only suspect that sidechain and hacker with many zeros are connected and maybe the same person.
If not, then they are sure part of same lowlife crew (like Laudanumoron)

[Laudanum]

Will LFC_bitcoin sin of sending PM to other members ever be forgiven by trolls and hackers from this forum?  
I guess the answer is no.
I can only suspect that sidechain and hacker with many zeros are connected and maybe the same person.
If not, then they are sure part of same lowlife crew.

Look at nobollox above. Typical ass licking noob low functioning dreg eager for his poverty grubby paws to get banging out more low functioning spew sponsored by chipmixer.

As if being caught abusing the trust system and lying all out of personal financial interest is simply sending a PM.

Not to mention giving trust includes to people who help reject flags on his sponsors and apparently misrepresenting suchmorons conversation to such a degree even she ~ him.

Nobollox will say anything like most asslickers who want to get in with the dt/chipmixer crew.


Jollygood the independently verifiable scammer enabler and facilitator who turns a blind eye to his pals attempting to repatriate scams on this forum that he has identified previously just because they are DT buddies?

Or how he runs around tagging those wearing sigs for certain sponsors but avoids tagging DT that are managing those projects or advertising them too

These things anyone can research then provides a picture of their clear abuse of the Dt system on my account as some kind of evidence that a bunch of scammer and scammer supporters can abuse the trust system in an attempt to prevent whistle blowing on them.

Lfcbitcoin has been caught out before on PMs admitting he takes orders from scammers because he is scared of them.

Not one person on DT defending LFC has a clean sheet here. What does that tell you.

Only suchmoon has now kind of admitted LFCbitcoin lied the rest of the DT1 colluding scum would not even dare answer yes or no.

The trust system is a protection racket that allows them and their sponsors if they choose to scam with impunity. They will block flags and tag you if you mention something they don't like even if it is independently verifiable as being true.

They then gang up to try and attack the character of the person presenting the truth.
When they can find nothing they will simply make things up for which they have no proof at all.

Nobollox and jollygood who? What are these noob trash accounts? Non achieving broke down bums like the rest of the DT1 sig spamming crew.

Lfcbitcoin or laudas felching clown is a scum bag, all those defending him are likely worse when you start digging.

The usual scumbags here trying to spin it into.....err....just simply sending other members some PMs?

Surely all this is just making a mountain out of a mole hill. lol these pieces of shit have flagged and tagged people for far less.

[JollyGood]

I can only suspect that sidechain and hacker with many zeros are connected and maybe the same person.

hacker1001101001 barely has any functioning brain cells so I would put the theory he and Side chain are the same person aside but they are definitely connected because they follow each other around like a bad smell.

If not, then they are sure part of same lowlife crew (like Laudanumoron)

Thank you for mentioning this, it is a keyword that correctly connects these two.

In the past I have referred to hacker1001101001 (and some other members) as "lowlife" because the word certainly was apt.

[Laudanum]

I can only suspect that sidechain and hacker with many zeros are connected and maybe the same person.

hacker1001101001 barely has any functioning brain cells so I would put the theory he and Side chain are the same person aside but they are definitely connected because they follow each other around like a bad smell.

If not, then they are sure part of same lowlife crew (like Laudanumoron)

Thank you for mentioning this, it is a keyword that correctly connects these two.

In the past I have referred to hacker1001101001 (and some other members) as "lowlife" because the word certainly was apt.

Lol ...thank you nobody noob trash nobollox for saying this keyword.
Haha when you have to start thanking nobody noob trash asslickers for their undeniably stupid and incorrect interpretation of independently verifiable evidence then you just are demonstrating what a desperate bunch of dregs you all are.

Oh wait jollygood is just another nobody noob trash scammer enabler actually.

Get it through your thick skull dip shit this thread is about

Lfcbitcoin undeniably telling lies.
He lied because he knew he should not be requesting people he has previously sent money to protect his own sponsors from a flag
He also was handing out trust includes to who rejected the flag
Several trust system abuses and certainly not how it's intended to be used.
Then grossly misrepresented his discussion with suchmoon

This thread is not about attacking any person that simply presents the truth about LFCbitcoin

Nobollox will slather his slobber on the balls and ass of any DT1 he thinks gets him extra favor.
Rather like you jollygood scammer enabler.

Couple of little noob peasant pissant nobodies with zero achievements and zero skin in the crypto game.

Looks like nobollox is trying to whitewash this along with all the other scumbags that have red tagged and flagged people for way less.
Double standards colluding scum.

These new details need to be added to the dirtyturds thread.

[hacker1001101001]

Attack from LFC_Bitcoin against me for presenting some solid facts about the situation and asking some on point questions, related to the issues.

LFC_Bitcoin   2020-08-25   Reference   ICO bump account, I really do not trust this person. Seems to have an unhealthy obsession with trying to discredit me too

This reaction clearly show's how this DT would react to anyone criticizing him of any wrong doing.

He was even doing the same and scaring away legimate opinions and views from many other users in the Sportsbet accusation thread.

Anybody who responds to this thread who isn’t directly involved in the investigation after my post is at the risk of receiving negative trust

I think he is not mentally stable and should seek doctor's help. I even remember him posting images of mentally disabled children's to make fun. Should be booted off DT asap.

Shit

_{PS: this nice post of mine was deleted by mod so posting it again with an on topic discussion.}

[KaneVWE]

Since the evidence is clearly there of lfcbitcoin lying on page 6 with relation to his abuse of the trust system why is he not blacklisted now?

[JollyGood]

More nonsense from this multi-scamming user who has been exposed in this thread but refuses to post there as he has literally no defence thanks to the efforts by marlboroza: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.0

Attack from LFC_Bitcoin against me for presenting some solid facts about the situation and asking some on point questions, related to the issues.

*TRASH*

[KaneVWE]

More nonsense from this multi-scamming user who has been exposed in this thread but refuses to post there as he has literally no defence thanks to the efforts by marlboroza: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.0

Attack from LFC_Bitcoin against me for presenting some solid facts about the situation and asking some on point questions, related to the issues.

*TRASH*

The reader must exercise caution when dealing with the scam facilitator jollygood

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

It should be noted he is devious and uses scam busting as a cover to conceal his scammer facilitating.
It appears he busts scams then " other dt1" will offer help to repatriate them to the forum and escrow for them for a fee

Nice racket.

Lfcbitcoin is a confirmed trust abuser and proven liar. Jollygood trying to defend them is further indication of his true nature.

See page 6 of this thread for conclusive proof of lie.