Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024

[Sebas.tian]

Chelsea has always been a great team that have so many achievement titles and all that but these days things haven't been going too well for the Blues, they have good players who can make even the top 4 teams to struggle to get a win not to talk about the smaller teams even a better coach (no doubt, Poche is a good coach), but they have been struggling and those guys who have been there to make things to always fall in line positively are nowhere to be found (Petr Čech and some other guys).
Is it that the current owners are the major cause of the fall of Chelsea, that they're not fit to be in charge of a football club such as Chelsea?
I mean this guy Todd Boehly and his partners they have been calling all the shots in this club especially the transfers and things have been going from bad to worse, if things continues like this I don't see the Blues competing in any Europe competitions but struggling to escape the relegation zone and they (The Blues) will lose good players.

That is why many people are surprised with the current position of Chelsea in the premier league table, despite the signing of new players in the summer but there is no improvement that show that they brought in the right players to save the team from shame. If truly Chelsea coach is a good coach, you will definitely see some changes in the team but the team performance is getting worse every match which you saw what Liverpool did to them 4-1 to achieved three points from them and wolves too did the same to achieved three points from them. Based on what people have experienced from Chelsea so far from some matches, I don't think they have anything to achieve in this season with the poor performance.

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[kro55]

Chelsea has always been a great team that have so many achievement titles and all that but these days things haven't been going too well for the Blues, they have good players who can make even the top 4 teams to struggle to get a win not to talk about the smaller teams even a better coach (no doubt, Poche is a good coach), but they have been struggling and those guys who have been there to make things to always fall in line positively are nowhere to be found (Petr Čech and some other guys).
Is it that the current owners are the major cause of the fall of Chelsea, that they're not fit to be in charge of a football club such as Chelsea?
I mean this guy Todd Boehly and his partners they have been calling all the shots in this club especially the transfers and things have been going from bad to worse, if things continues like this I don't see the Blues competing in any Europe competitions but struggling to escape the relegation zone and they (The Blues) will lose good players.

That is why many people are surprised with the current position of Chelsea in the premier league table, despite the signing of new players in the summer but there is no improvement that show that they brought in the right players to save the team from shame. If truly Chelsea coach is a good coach, you will definitely see some changes in the team but the team performance is getting worse every match which you saw what Liverpool did to them 4-1 to achieved three points from them and wolves too did the same to achieved three points from them. Based on what people have experienced from Chelsea so far from some matches, I don't think they have anything to achieve in this season with the poor performance.

I wouldn't call Chelsea's squad weak. They have a strong enough squad. I would say Chelsea's management and coach's inexperience is why their performance is so erratic.

I don't know why Chelsea management sacked Thomas Tuchel. With the help of Tuchel, Chelsea's performance was quite good. Tuchel was fired probably because of the coach's conflict with the management. And even then Chelsea management changed coach several times. But no benefit is available. Now their performance is very poor. Chelsea need an experienced coach first. Without an experienced coach, there is no chance to see any improvement in the performance of this team.

[Plaguedeath]

Are you sure, what if Manchester City is unable to win the remaining matches that have not been played? Something that hasn't been played yet can't confirm the result, maybe Manchester City will lose points in that match, of course Liverpool will still be in first place.

A counter question: are you sure Manchester City will lose against Everton? if you think Everton will win, let's make a bet for $5 then, the winner takes all. Don't say to me just gamble on online casino, I won't because I don't want to risk my money just for @1.22 odds.

That is why many people are surprised with the current position of Chelsea in the premier league table, despite the signing of new players in the summer but there is no improvement that show that they brought in the right players to save the team from shame. If truly Chelsea coach is a good coach, you will definitely see some changes in the team but the team performance is getting worse every match which you saw what Liverpool did to them 4-1 to achieved three points from them and wolves too did the same to achieved three points from them. Based on what people have experienced from Chelsea so far from some matches, I don't think they have anything to achieve in this season with the poor performance.

They only focus on the striker, but not aware if they have a terrible defense. Both Disasi and Badiashile were make so many blunders, Pochettino should sell both of them ASAP before their market value declines.

[Warkop]

I don't see Arsenal been able to defeat them again, not this time with their current form where they now have all their top players present and playing, the current form of Manchester city is much better than it was when they first met Arsenal this season a d trust gaurdiola to not use the same approach but a better and improved tactics.

I think if it by comparison of strength, depth and form then currently there will be almost no team who will be able to win Manchester city in the premier league this season but they I think with Liverpool there's a better chance than with Arsenal even if Arsenal did won Liverpool recently making it look like they have a better form and strength thank Liverpool, I still don't esteem them that high enough above Liverpool yet and that's why I see Liverpool as a better opponent against Manchester city than I would with Arsenal.

In the match against Liverpool, it was clear that Arsenal always put pressure on Liverpool, such as trying to kick at goal several times and so far Arsenal's control of the ball is also good, which made them win against Liverpool. With this victory, Arsenal managed to score second place. and the third is the same, and it is proven that Liverpool can still be beaten even though Liverpool are currently at the top, but they have not managed to maintain their position well.

In fact, Arsenal's playing technique is better than Liverpool's, because I saw that in this match it was clear that Arsenal were dominating the game and the attacks on Liverpool's back line were very fast. In the end, Arsenal was able to win this match with a final score of 3-1. In my opinion, this victory proves that Arsenal will rise from the downturn they faced at that time. Certainly Arsenal will be better prepared to really compete with Liverpool and Manchester City in the Premier League this season, because their points tally is not far apart in the standings this season.

[shinratensei_]

After I saw the premier league table and the points and standing of each team, I just believe that this premier league is still going to go to the hands of Manchester City. With the outstanding match at hand for them now, I feel very confident that they’re going to win that match and top the premier league table.

the competition for the english league EPL champions is still exciting. the championship candidates are not only manchester city. the current leader of the standings liverpool also has a great chance of winning the english league. besides manchester city and liverpool. arsenal still has a chance to win because the point difference with liverpool is also small. arsenal can also make a surprise to win the english league.

There were some candidates but city still holds the biggest chance to win EPL this season. We can't deny that how fast manchester city was climbing after it was struggling in a few games and it's back again to the top. It proves that the quality of manchester city is something that needs to be considered.
City is very persistent in coming back again to the position achieved last season. Im not doubting that how competence this club is to farm a lot of trophies again this season. Even though liverpool and arsenal are also strong but city will be leading the competition till the end of season.

There will be no significant chance caused by city will be leave liverpool and arsenal behind. it will make the situation far better. Im sure that manchester city will be taking EPL trophy again. In city i believe.
Pep is the best coach in the world.There was no coach who can perform better than him, arteta has not yet fully learned about how pep was thinking about that.

[hd49728]

In fact, Arsenal's playing technique is better than Liverpool's, because I saw that in this match it was clear that Arsenal were dominating the game and the attacks on Liverpool's back line were very fast. In the end, Arsenal was able to win this match with a final score of 3-1. In my opinion, this victory proves that Arsenal will rise from the downturn they faced at that time. Certainly Arsenal will be better prepared to really compete with Liverpool and Manchester City in the Premier League this season, because their points tally is not far apart in the standings this season.

In a single match, Arsenal played better than Liverpool but in a long season, it's too soon to conclude what team are better. So far, Liverpool are better than Arsenal but not big different and at the end of season, it can be changed and Arsenal can end this season at a higher position than Liverpool.

With this winning, Arsenal returned to the title race but they are still under Liverpool and Manchester City so that they still need to try a lot to surpass both Manchester City and Liverpool. It is huge task for Arsenal especially beating Manchester City is not easy even Arsenal already learned something from their failure in the last season.

[Farma]

That is why many people are surprised with the current position of Chelsea in the premier league table, despite the signing of new players in the summer but there is no improvement that show that they brought in the right players to save the team from shame. If truly Chelsea coach is a good coach, you will definitely see some changes in the team but the team performance is getting worse every match which you saw what Liverpool did to them 4-1 to achieved three points from them and wolves too did the same to achieved three points from them. Based on what people have experienced from Chelsea so far from some matches, I don't think they have anything to achieve in this season with the poor performance.

It is not easy to improve the performance of a team that has slumped, especially since almost all the players have been replaced and the coach has also been replaced. I am not surprised by what happened to Chelsea this season.
Maybe it will take them a little longer to recover their team, there are a lot of processes that have to go through and now Chelsea has lost the character of their team.
With conditions like this, there is nothing the brand can hope to get.

the competition for the english league EPL champions is still exciting. the championship candidates are not only manchester city. the current leader of the standings liverpool also has a great chance of winning the english league. besides manchester city and liverpool. arsenal still has a chance to win because the point difference with liverpool is also small. arsenal can also make a surprise to win the english league.

Manchester City has a very big opportunity to replace Liverpool at the top of the standings, they have 1 match left to play and the difference in points with Liverpool is only 2 points, so Manchester City has a very big chance of being able to replace Liverpool at the top of the standings.
The competition for the Premier League title is always fierce and this will also happen this season, only this season it is likely that not only 2 teams will compete fiercely for the title, now Manchester City, Liverpool and Arsenal have fairly even strength so that the three teams have the same opportunities.

[Egii Nna]

The match they played against Brentford was a good experience for Manchester City. Although Brentford took the lead, they could not prevent Foden's 3 goals and lost 3-1. Manchester City achieved excellent statistics with 25 shots and 15 on target. The only reason the match did not end with more scores was Brentford goalkeeper Flekken. Even though he played a great game, he conceded 3 goals.

At first, when Brentford won their first goal in the 21st minute, I was shocked and surprised because the performance that Manchester City are displaying on the field is accurate, but I was feeling some fear for Manchester City. Even though I know that Manchester City are stronger than Brentford, seeing how their goalkeeper is good at saving goals, I started getting discouraged until Manchester City got their first goal before halftime by Foden. That is when I regained a new hope for them to win the match, which Foden ending up having a hat trick in the game with assists from De Bruyne and Haaland.

Although, for sure, Manchester City could have scored more than three goals, the Brentford goalkeeper was strong and experienced in his goalkeeping. Imagine the shot that was saved if there were goals. Brentford will have collected more than enough goals, although Manchester City's performance was excellent. And Brentford would have been seriously beaten if not for their goalkeeper, although even now they are still being beaten by Manchester City.

[Catenaccio]

Manchester City has a very big opportunity to replace Liverpool at the top of the standings, they have 1 match left to play and the difference in points with Liverpool is only 2 points, so Manchester City has a very big chance of being able to replace Liverpool at the top of the standings.
The competition for the Premier League title is always fierce and this will also happen this season, only this season it is likely that not only 2 teams will compete fiercely for the title, now Manchester City, Liverpool and Arsenal have fairly even strength so that the three teams have the same opportunities.

This season looks to have a tougher competition for a league title than the last season with only two competitors Manchester City and Arsenal. In this season, we have another team, Liverpool that seems to replace a position of Arsenal in the past season. They are leading the league but started to feel more pressure from Manchester City.

Arsenal contributed to make this pressure bigger by beating Liverpool last week. From now, Liverpool will be chased by two competitors, Manchester City and Arsenal. All three teams have good chances to win Premier League and Manchester City probably will be affected by Champions League where they are defending their title.

[HajiBagi]

After I saw the premier league table and the points and standing of each team, I just believe that this premier league is still going to go to the hands of Manchester City. With the outstanding match at hand for them now, I feel very confident that they’re going to win that match and top the premier league table.

Definitely going to be entertaining EPL run for these clubs to start bouncing back to victory ways and enchanting their performance to be unique in all round. The EPL title belongs to the club that have the best results and gathering enough points so far this season. With the looks of things, Manchester City, Liverpool and Arsenal seems to be the competitive clubs for the EPL title this season, they won't be backing down because they're elite teams and these categories of teams are the formidable and strongest when it comes to title run.

The only teams I see that Arsenal will be in a competition with each other for the Premier League title this season are Liverpool and Manchester City. Arsenal did not have the strength to do that again; instead, they lost their hope at the start of the season by giving up to teams that could not defeat them. The reason I didn't believe in Arsenal was because they had a history of failing to win the league when they had the chance, so it would be best if we stopped trusting Arsenal right away.

And once more, between Liverpool and Manchester City, I think Manchester City has a better chance of winning the title this season than Liverpool does. Manchester was previously in fourth place in the league table due to injured players, but when those players return, their play improves and they move up to second place. Liverpool leads Manchester City by just two points, and if Liverpool does not improve soon, Manchester City will be in first place.

[bering]

Manchester United will playing against Aston Villa at Villa Park this weekend i think this could being an interesting match because last week Aston Villa and Manchester United gets positive results because Manchester United won from West Ham and Aston Villa have successfully to humiliate Sheffield United with big scores so i was curious which team will be the winner of this match and recently i have checked the odds for both teams and apparently the bookmakers has decide to put Aston Villa as the favourite and Manchester United as underdog team in this match

But i didn't surprised why Aston Villa is the favourite team in this match because just like i said before Aston Villa was very strong during playing at Villa Park and according to the recent conditions for both teams Manchester United has unfavourable situations because they will lost Lisandro Martinez that after recover from his Injured actually he was return to with Manchester United in Premier League but unfortunately when Manchester United beat West Ham last week Martinez was got injured again and the latest update is Martinez at least have to rested 8 week to gets recover i think this is big lost for Manchester United because Martinez is important player for them

[topbitcoin]

After I saw the premier league table and the points and standing of each team, I just believe that this premier league is still going to go to the hands of Manchester City. With the outstanding match at hand for them now, I feel very confident that they’re going to win that match and top the premier league table.

the competition for the english league EPL champions is still exciting. the championship candidates are not only manchester city. the current leader of the standings liverpool also has a great chance of winning the english league. besides manchester city and liverpool. arsenal still has a chance to win because the point difference with liverpool is also small. arsenal can also make a surprise to win the english league.

Honestly if I compare the probabilities between Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City I feel that Arsenal has the lowest probability in this case.
They do still have the opportunity to be able to compete but seeing from several other conditions including the problems they always face every season then indeed I do not feel that Arsenal can get the trophy as long as there are Liverpool and Manchester City who are still very consistent.

The problem Arsenal have always had so far is when they are unable to make a breakthrough and maintain consistency unexpectedly.
We can see last season where they were comfortably at the top of the standings but in the end they had to get out of the championship zone after the problem of inconsistency hit them. So as long as they still can't fix that, Arsenal will only be a complement to the competition not as a potential champion.

[Oluwa-btc]

After the humiliating defeat at home to Wolves, there was a polemic regarding Pochettino's future fate as Chelsea coach. Now a glimmer of hope has returned for Pochettino after the Chelsea owner still supports him to handle Chelsea this season. He expressed his joy after receiving confirmation of the news and hoped that he and the other Chelsea players could close this season with good results.

We know that currently Chelsea is still slumped in 11th position in the standings and this is still the same as what they went through last season. There was hope that Pochettino could fix it this season but it doesn't seem like an easy job for a coach like him. Now the focus is on giving Chelsea another win in the future and Pochettino must remember that the Chelsea owners still believe in him so he has to prove it.

I'm no blue but one thing I know for sure is that, Former owner Abrahimovich will never see his club same way it's been with the manager smiling to the cameras when he's done nothing big but a subpar manegerial job for the club.
Todd Boehly has done nothing but tested run failed managers ( Graham Potter, Frank Lampard and Mauricio Pochetino ) for Chelsea and I know how much these blue fans are pained for that. And right now, lol we've seen talks of Jose Mourinho retuning to Chelsea, to do what exactly? Lol!

Man's tactics old as time and outdated, too defensive and will not thrive as a Chelsea manager because of that fact that football has evolved.They need a top class manager who can handle these players yes but it shouldn't be Jose Mourinho.
Don't you also think it's high time for Mauricio Pochetino? He's already got same records disappointing as Graham Potter's during his time with the Blue's!

[Despairo]

But i didn't surprised why Aston Villa is the favourite team in this match because just like i said before Aston Villa was very strong during playing at Villa Park and according to the recent conditions for both teams Manchester United has unfavourable situations because they will lost Lisandro Martinez that after recover from his Injured actually he was return to with Manchester United in Premier League but unfortunately when Manchester United beat West Ham last week Martinez was got injured again and the latest update is Martinez at least have to rested 8 week to gets recover i think this is big lost for Manchester United because Martinez is important player for them

Martinez isn't a player who give a lot contribution to Manchester United, so it won't be a problem his position will be replaced by other player.

To be honest I'm surprised Aston Villa can be a favorite club in this match, Aston Villa isn't really strong when playing in their home, take a look with the head to head stats, Aston Villa only won 2 from total 24 matches.

I think Manchester United will able to win.

[SmartCharpa]

What should Chelsea do in the current situation? The situation is already getting worse because there is no improvement at all, the previous few matches Chelsea can win 3x but now continue the trend of losing again worse than losing at home to Wolves with a score of 2-4 embarrassing isn't it?

Coaches, staff, other managers can be considered bad because they don't do their job well? It's not entirely their fault but still they are responsible for all this because after all Chelsea has never lacked money, it's just that coaches and other staff don't give better expectations.

Now indeed Chelsea is still difficult to develop with Poch they still can't rise from the downturn.

I didn't see any issues with the staff or management; Chelsea has the players a team could have to win a title this season. However, Chelsea has a strong squad, yet they still find it difficult to win their games, so what did Pochettino want again to improve his players to start scoring goals? Chelsea will play impress game, but they will lost to their opponents. Instead, Chelsea has been really disappointed their fans in their last two games, they lost 4:2 against Wolves last weekend and 4:1 against Liverpool. When Neto was going after Chelsea defenses against Wolves, I'm not even sure they were still there since they were unable to hold him.

I think this season would be the same as the last season, when Pochettino arrived at Chelsea and started to make changes to the starting eleven, i thought this season will be different. Chelsea have good players, but Pochettino doesn't know how to use them. Manchester United, on the other hand, doesn't have the same quality of players as Chelsea but they continues to perform better than Chelsea. Chelsea lost against Wolves 4:2, while Manchester United defeated Wolves 4:3. After 23 games, Chelsea is still in 11th place, which is their favorite position. At this point, Chelsea cannot qualify to the next Europa League.

[skarais]

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Manchester City are two points behind Liverpool having played one match less. Manchester City's next match is against Everton, if Manchester City can get full points in that match then Manchester City will be able to overtake Liverpool. With Manchester City's current performance, we can expect Manchester City to beat Everton easily. If Manchester City beat Everton, there would be only one point gap between Manchester City and Liverpool with equal number of matches played, and then Liverpool and Manchester City would be evenly matched. 
Although Manchester City trailed from the start of the season to the midway point, they have largely performed better since the midway point of the season and cemented their position in a stronger position in the table. It goes without saying that Manchester City and Liverpool will ultimately battle it out for the English Premier League title.

You are right, Manchester City can overtake Liverpool if they win their home game against Everton. But don't forget, Liverpool also has a match on the same day so it is likely that the standings will not change after the two teams finish their respective matches.

Liverpool are currently 2 points ahead of Manchester City, but Manchester City still have 1 game in hand which is an advantage that could make them lead the standings instead of Liverpool. Liverpool's defeat to Arsenal has played in Manchester City's favor, so I don't think they will let the opportunity pass after waiting so long. But no one knows, maybe we will be surprised by the results of the upcoming match even though the two top teams actually had an easy match.

[Queentoshi]

I wouldn't call Chelsea's squad weak. They have a strong enough squad. I would say Chelsea's management and coach's inexperience is why their performance is so erratic.

I don't know why Chelsea management sacked Thomas Tuchel.

The old coach with these new set of players would have been very good. Maybe Chelsea supporters are pushing for a sack of the coach because they know that there is a very good replacement who just recently got sacked by Roma and may be able to return to Chelsea if the new owners give him an offer that will be difficult for him to reject. Crystal Palace are Chelsea's next opponent, pressure will be on the coach for a good result, but same pressure is on Crystal Palace's coach, and since they are the home team, with the support of the home supporters, they will not make winning which will be the plan of the Chelsea coach easy to achieve.

[KTChampions]

It seems like to be like that. If we are looking at the schedules of Man City matches, there will be 2 matches before the remaining match against Brentford.
- Man City vs Everton on Feb 10
- Man City vs Chelsea on Feb 17
- Man City vs Brentford on Feb 20
If Man City can win all those three matches, it is surely that the first place will be taken over. Moreover if Liverpool is beaten during the three matches later.
In this case, Man City's chance to take over the first place is exactly high as long as they can really optimize the chance. The most difficult match may be probably when against Chelsea, but I really believe that man City will win the match. 

It is noteworthy that all three of these games will be home for City. The probability of taking 9 points is very high, but in fact I am hoping for Chelsea and, oddly enough, Everton (they may well make a draw). Chelsea are very volatile in results so there is a chance that it will be a good day for them and after they gave points to outsiders they can take points from City. Unfortunately, City will simultaneously have an easy game with Copenhagen in the Champions League, so they will not have a problem distributing their forces in two directions.

[Franctoshi]

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Manchester City are two points behind Liverpool having played one match less. Manchester City's next match is against Everton, if Manchester City can get full points in that match then Manchester City will be able to overtake Liverpool. With Manchester City's current performance, we can expect Manchester City to beat Everton easily. If Manchester City beat Everton, there would be only one point gap between Manchester City and Liverpool with equal number of matches played, and then Liverpool and Manchester City would be evenly matched.  
Although Manchester City trailed from the start of the season to the midway point, they have largely performed better since the midway point of the season and cemented their position in a stronger position in the table.


 It goes without saying that Manchester City and Liverpool will ultimately battle it out for the English Premier League title.

You are right, Manchester City can overtake Liverpool if they win their home game against Everton. But don't forget, Liverpool also has a match on the same day so it is likely that the standings will not change after the two teams finish their respective matches.

Liverpool are currently 2 points ahead of Manchester City, but Manchester City still have 1 game in hand which is an advantage that could make them lead the standings instead of Liverpool. Liverpool's defeat to Arsenal has played in Manchester City's favor, so I don't think they will let the opportunity pass after waiting so long. But no one knows, maybe we will be surprised by the results of the upcoming match even though the two top teams actually had an easy match.

Let me remind you that Arsenal is not yet taken out of the picture of the teams to lift this trophy. Arsenal have managed to close up the point gap after their game with Liverpool, So until Arsenal faced Manchester city in their second leg game and also Liverpool faced Manchester city in the second leg meeting, then these are likely the games that would decide teams that are mostly likely to end up lifting the trophy. I still 100 percent believe that the trophy will be lifted by Arsenal ,Liverpool, and Manchester city.

[Amphenomenon]

Chelsea has always been a great team that have so many achievement titles and all that but these days things haven't been going too well for the Blues, they have good players who can make even the top 4 teams to struggle to get a win not to talk about the smaller teams even a better coach (no doubt, Poche is a good coach), but they have been struggling and those guys who have been there to make things to always fall in line positively are nowhere to be found (Petr Čech and some other guys).
Is it that the current owners are the major cause of the fall of Chelsea, that they're not fit to be in charge of a football club such as Chelsea?
I mean this guy Todd Boehly and his partners they have been calling all the shots in this club especially the transfers and things have been going from bad to worse, if things continues like this I don't see the Blues competing in any Europe competitions but struggling to escape the relegation zone and they (The Blues) will lose good players.

That is why many people are surprised with the current position of Chelsea in the premier league table, despite the signing of new players in the summer but there is no improvement that show that they brought in the right players to save the team from shame. If truly Chelsea coach is a good coach, you will definitely see some changes in the team but the team performance is getting worse every match which you saw what Liverpool did to them 4-1 to achieved three points from them and wolves too did the same to achieved three points from them. Based on what people have experienced from Chelsea so far from some matches, I don't think they have anything to achieve in this season with the poor performance.

I wouldn't call Chelsea's squad weak. They have a strong enough squad. I would say Chelsea's management and coach's inexperience is why their performance is so erratic.

I don't know why Chelsea management sacked Thomas Tuchel. With the help of Tuchel, Chelsea's performance was quite good. Tuchel was fired probably because of the coach's conflict with the management. And even then Chelsea management changed coach several times. But no benefit is available. Now their performance is very poor. Chelsea need an experienced coach first. Without an experienced coach, there is no chance to see any improvement in the performance of this team.

We know already Todd is bad but tee entire management board including the medical team and the head lacks experience or strategy, removing directors like Petr Cech which is important because such experience is highly needed. While in the issue of Poch security a fine coach but he lacks strategy I guess this was why he failed at Psg and not that the players was too big for him to control because even in Chelsea which has quality players of more lesser reputation he has failed to do well, his strategy is too vague and when he put players out of position they play bad just like how we saw in Graham Potter time.

The fact is Poch and his management team should be sacked, I don't think there is much hope for him to turn things around even if they give him other seasons because this season he has performed really poorly strategically while if him and his team are sack, Chelsea should go get good and experience coaching staffs and not signing a manager and his entire team which has failed with Potter and Poch.

Let's go back to the system use by Roman which was excellent for over a decade until Todd took over.