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[dimonstration]

I am a BFG holder. I have about 10k+ BFG. A few days ago my mobile turned off automatically. I had google 2FA enabled on my Betfury account. After repairing the mobile, I see that everything has been deleted. I have not recorded my google 2fa private anywhere. Right now I can't access my Betfury account. I tried to contact the team many times but failed. I am currently requesting the team to remove google 2FA from my account. So that I can access my account.

Your only way to recover it is to contact their live support to request for your 2FA to be disabled. It's better if you undergo KYC before because you can just submit your ID again as proof for ownership.

But in case you didn't KYC before. I’m sure that casino has an IP record to your account which they can easily detect if the recent attempt on login of your account is from the original owner. This kind of issue can be recover but I think you will need to submit KYC since this issue is very crucial and sensitive. Betfury admin is not active here so don't waste your time here.

Anyway why do you leave your tokens on the casino? If it's staking purposes then just stake on DEX that offers BFG Staking.

[Rigon]

that's why it's important to save the secret key when activating 2fa because it's very important when you lose access like this you can log into your account in case this happens you are too careless though 10k BFG is probably big money you think why don't you think about store the secret key somewhere.

But as far as I know the betfury team can help with problems like this, you can wait for an answer from the active team in this thread too, but don't forget to keep in contact with them via their site, I'm not an active gambler at betfury but you can ask the betfury team to disable 2fa in your account, of course, with proof of ownership, if you can't prove it, of course, your account will no longer be accessible. good luck

I have written down the secret keys of almost all accounts that have 2FA in the notebook.I searched a lot but couldn't find anywhere. Betfury account 2FA secret key was not recorded in notebook or kept in messenger account due to my laziness. Currently this 10K BFG is very precious to me and I don't want to lose this BFG in any way. Trying to contact the team. I will definitely let you know if I can solve my problem from here. Thank you for advising me. Hope to get good response from Betfury team very soon.

[o48o]

I am a BFG holder. I have about 10k+ BFG. A few days ago my mobile turned off automatically. I had google 2FA enabled on my Betfury account. After repairing the mobile, I see that everything has been deleted. I have not recorded my google 2fa private anywhere. Right now I can't access my Betfury account. I tried to contact the team many times but failed. I am currently requesting the team to remove google 2FA from my account. So that I can access my account.

I am pretty sure you'll get your 2fa removed by just answering few questions. Least i have in so many places where i messed up my 2fa. Ask nicely, they might ask when you last logged in and how much is in your account. Your ip or at least country if your ip changes. And when they clearly see that no one else is accessing to that account, they can presume it's yours. Also you might need to KYC if you haven't already.

[dwyane36]

I am a BFG holder. I have about 10k+ BFG. A few days ago my mobile turned off automatically. I had google 2FA enabled on my Betfury account. After repairing the mobile, I see that everything has been deleted. I have not recorded my google 2fa private anywhere. Right now I can't access my Betfury account. I tried to contact the team many times but failed. I am currently requesting the team to remove google 2FA from my account. So that I can access my account.

It's worth noting that Google updated its 2fa app in April and added a sync feature. As I understand it, this feature lets users do cloud backups and sync 2fa codes with their Google accounts. Do you have this feature enabled in your app? If so, you'll be able to get access to your codes. Otherwise, you will have to solve this problem only through Betfury support.
By the way, you can also try to write to the Betfury telegram group. Maybe the community managers will be more responsive, and you'll get some kind of response from them.

[logfiles]

I am a BFG holder. I have about 10k+ BFG. A few days ago my mobile turned off automatically. I had google 2FA enabled on my Betfury account. After repairing the mobile, I see that everything has been deleted. I have not recorded my google 2fa private anywhere. Right now I can't access my Betfury account. I tried to contact the team many times but failed. I am currently requesting the team to remove google 2FA from my account. So that I can access my account.

How long have you been waiting after contacting them?

I think you should give them so time or a few days to respond on the best course of action, but I think after some investigation and perhaps making you do some KYC verification. Your account is likely going to be unlocked.

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.

[Rigon]

I am a BFG holder. I have about 10k+ BFG. A few days ago my mobile turned off automatically. I had google 2FA enabled on my Betfury account. After repairing the mobile, I see that everything has been deleted. I have not recorded my google 2fa private anywhere. Right now I can't access my Betfury account. I tried to contact the team many times but failed. I am currently requesting the team to remove google 2FA from my account. So that I can access my account.

It's worth noting that Google updated its 2fa app in April and added a sync feature. As I understand it, this feature lets users do cloud backups and sync 2fa codes with their Google accounts. Do you have this feature enabled in your app? If so, you'll be able to get access to your codes. Otherwise, you will have to solve this problem only through Betfury support.
By the way, you can also try to write to the Betfury telegram group. Maybe the community managers will be more responsive, and you'll get some kind of response from them.

Finally I successfully spoke to Betfury live support. They documented my problem. First they gave me a form which I emailed. They took 24 hours to solve my problem. I hope my problem will be solved within 24 hours.

[Baobab -Three]

Welcome to bitcointalk!
I thought this was a new casino, but with 132 000 registered members, this isn't the case. Anyone here already member of this casino? Any thoughts/reviews?

Couple of questions that pop into my mind:
- What is your house edge?
- What is the minimum amount to withdraw ?
- Do you have a license?

I repeat the question from the first page do you have a license? if yes can we have the number and know where it was registered?

[o48o]

Welcome to bitcointalk!
I thought this was a new casino, but with 132 000 registered members, this isn't the case. Anyone here already member of this casino? Any thoughts/reviews?

Couple of questions that pop into my mind:
- What is your house edge?
- What is the minimum amount to withdraw ?
- Do you have a license?

I repeat the question from the first page do you have a license? if yes can we have the number and know where it was registered?

You mean curacao licence that they have link to on their front page? House edge differs between the different games. You can just visit their site and look at their house games.

I don't remember the exact minimum withdraw amount but it was quite small and enough for my purposes.

[zuzie]

Welcome to bitcointalk!
I thought this was a new casino, but with 132 000 registered members, this isn't the case. Anyone here already member of this casino? Any thoughts/reviews?

Couple of questions that pop into my mind:
- What is your house edge?
- What is the minimum amount to withdraw ?
- Do you have a license?

I repeat the question from the first page do you have a license? if yes can we have the number and know where it was registered?

You mean curacao licence that they have link to on their front page? House edge differs between the different games. You can just visit their site and look at their house games. I don't remember the exact minimum withdraw amount but it was quite small and enough for my purposes.

I suspect the license link only works when we click on it on the casino page if you click on a link on bitcointalk or from another source then it is not detected
so go to casino page then click there then it will work, don't copy + paste the link in the new tab it doesn't work. I just checked it and the license is still active since the first launch, as a gambler i would not play in a casino without a license except they give free credit without having to deposit.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I am a BFG holder. I have about 10k+ BFG. A few days ago my mobile turned off automatically. I had google 2FA enabled on my Betfury account. After repairing the mobile, I see that everything has been deleted. I have not recorded my google 2fa private anywhere. Right now I can't access my Betfury account. I tried to contact the team many times but failed. I am currently requesting the team to remove google 2FA from my account. So that I can access my account.

How long have you been waiting after contacting them?

I think you should give them so time or a few days to respond on the best course of action, but I think after some investigation and perhaps making you do some KYC verification. Your account is likely going to be unlocked.

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

[LUCKMCFLY]

What they should do is try to recover the way for them to believe in the project again and that is very Difficult,for me things like this are fractured, and if there is no way they want to Recover it,it is up to the team if they want to stay so,Personally, if I did everything possible because there is a fairly strong Infrastructure in the casino, there are many things to recover, one is the token, the other is that the casino is more interesting for the Players and to be able to have a better option for them to be interested in playing there.

I had already commented on this in the past that casino tokens are doomed to failure for the following reason: in this market there are already many older and more reliable casinos that have a very simple deposit and withdrawal system that accept many cryptocurrencies, most people in this market uses bitcoin and it makes more sense that in the casino they accept bitcoin and old and established altcoins as a payment method, when a casino creates without its own token, then this casino is risking having more operational cost, they will have to pay a debt to maintain the casino and another to take care of the token, in the long run this operating cost increases, because the devs also have other things to do

and the price of the token will be falling, for obvious reasons: the market is saturated, there are many altcoins and there are many casinos, the cost of listing altcoins on exchanges is also expensive and people want the token to be listed on the best exchanges and when the casino cannot do this, so people get frustrated and also end up directing this frustration at the casino, that is, they look at the casino as incompetent. I don't know how far the team thought when they created this token, but time will tell if I'm wrong

It is very difficult to fight against a system that already has many things in context, first of all, as you say, the market is very volatile, unstable, with uncertainty, this is not going well for a market that has to do with tokens, tokens are alternatives to bitcoin and some cryptocurrencies, it is faster to do them and build a very alternative market that is still dependent on bitcoin movements, there is nothing like it or that depends on other things, it will always be like this, when we see it from another point of view Come to the same conclusion, altcoins, and tokens will always be under the same classification.

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

Well, it's not that I advise against it, it's just that there are others that are better, and yes, of course, it can be, in terms of security, things can progress a lot and we haven't realized it , personally I've always used 2FA, but let's remember the hack that was done to Binance, where all the 2FA were violated and that's how they managed to do the big robbery , it's interesting to know that there are always good options to learn and apply as security.

[o48o]

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

Well, it's not that I advise against it, it's just that there are others that are better, and yes, of course, it can be, in terms of security, things can progress a lot and we haven't realized it , personally I've always used 2FA, but let's remember the hack that was done to Binance, where all the 2FA were violated and that's how they managed to do the big robbery , it's interesting to know that there are always good options to learn and apply as security.

I want to chime in here. How can i avoid google 2fa when every site uses exclusively that?

There are some phone based options but those are not safe at all. And i never ever heard any google 2fA hacks on Binance, only 2FA sim swaps which have nothing to fo with google 2fa. But if you have more information i would like to hear about this.

[dwyane36]

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

[Beparanf]

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.

[Slow death]

What they should do is try to recover the way for them to believe in the project again and that is very Difficult,for me things like this are fractured, and if there is no way they want to Recover it,it is up to the team if they want to stay so,Personally, if I did everything possible because there is a fairly strong Infrastructure in the casino, there are many things to recover, one is the token, the other is that the casino is more interesting for the Players and to be able to have a better option for them to be interested in playing there.

I had already commented on this in the past that casino tokens are doomed to failure for the following reason: in this market there are already many older and more reliable casinos that have a very simple deposit and withdrawal system that accept many cryptocurrencies, most people in this market uses bitcoin and it makes more sense that in the casino they accept bitcoin and old and established altcoins as a payment method, when a casino creates without its own token, then this casino is risking having more operational cost, they will have to pay a debt to maintain the casino and another to take care of the token, in the long run this operating cost increases, because the devs also have other things to do

and the price of the token will be falling, for obvious reasons: the market is saturated, there are many altcoins and there are many casinos, the cost of listing altcoins on exchanges is also expensive and people want the token to be listed on the best exchanges and when the casino cannot do this, so people get frustrated and also end up directing this frustration at the casino, that is, they look at the casino as incompetent. I don't know how far the team thought when they created this token, but time will tell if I'm wrong

It is very difficult to fight against a system that already has many things in context, first of all, as you say, the market is very volatile, unstable, with uncertainty, this is not going well for a market that has to do with tokens, tokens are alternatives to bitcoin and some cryptocurrencies, it is faster to do them and build a very alternative market that is still dependent on bitcoin movements, there is nothing like it or that depends on other things, it will always be like this, when we see it from another point of view Come to the same conclusion, altcoins, and tokens will always be under the same classification.

well the problem is that having a casino and also having a token implies that the owner of the casino also has to focus on making the token evolve, and in this case evolution of the token means being listed on the best exchanges and that requires the owner the casino has a lot of money to pay for listing on the big exchanges, and unfortunately what has happened is that the token owners list their tokens on the small exchanges because with that they won't spend a lot of money and start to get very rich with each sale of their tokens and after they already have a lot of money they no longer have big reasons that force them to stay working a lot on the project

and what happens next is that investors are begging on twitter for some information from the owner of the token, but it's in vain, he only appears when the price of the token is falling or when he wants to earn even more money so he says some nonsense and the his followers soon see that as good news and start buying a lot of tokens, seriously, sometimes I think that in this crypto market people look at us as the dumbest, because it is not possible for people to buy shitcoin and they are still deluding themselves that it will go to the moon, years and years of holding thinking that it will go to the moon, and the altcoin or token never arrives on the moon

It's funny Is the spirit of never giving up that most people in this crypto market have, and it's really something quite shocking, I confess that I've seen a lot of them spend years holding shitcoin that is falling and falling. finally we will see what will be the next step of the BetFury team

[BitcoinPanther]

I am a BFG holder. I have about 10k+ BFG. A few days ago my mobile turned off automatically. I had google 2FA enabled on my Betfury account. After repairing the mobile, I see that everything has been deleted. I have not recorded my google 2fa private anywhere. Right now I can't access my Betfury account. I tried to contact the team many times but failed. I am currently requesting the team to remove google 2FA from my account. So that I can access my account.

How long have you been waiting after contacting them?

I think you should give them so time or a few days to respond on the best course of action, but I think after some investigation and perhaps making you do some KYC verification. Your account is likely going to be unlocked.

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

Same here I have been using google authenticators for year and has no issue, maybe people are giving warning about using google authenticator because some of the feature of google authenticator is storing our date in an online storage.  So they are a bit worry about hackers getting access of our authenticator keys.

well the problem is that having a casino and also having a token implies that the owner of the casino also has to focus on making the token evolve, and in this case evolution of the token means being listed on the best exchanges and that requires the owner the casino has a lot of money to pay for listing on the big exchanges, and unfortunately what has happened is that the token owners list their tokens on the small exchanges because with that they won't spend a lot of money and start to get very rich with each sale of their tokens and after they already have a lot of money they no longer have big reasons that force them to stay working a lot on the project

As far as I know Betfury is successful in their private sells.  According to google they had raised around $10m during that sales, and with that I think there is enough fund to get listed on huge exchanges and at the same time develop their gambling platform.  So I do not think that being listed on big exchanges will be a financially challenge for the casino.

[o48o]

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Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.

Yeah, but can you name and link one event where google 2fa was compromised because of that? I would take link to any hack event at all in where google 2fa was compromised because of the program itself was exploited. Because i can't find any. Other 2fa hacks i can find plenty. But obviously open source should be always preferred. I am not talking against that by any means.

[Fredomago]

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.

I get your point and it's true if breach take place the chance of being exploit is possible, we really can't tell what or how things may take place but the possibilities is not by far as hackers are always trying to attack even how secure the system they will try to penetrate and if ever things went to their directions, it will really bring big risk into our accounts, especially those security system that we think will help us to prevent attacks to happen.

[delfastTions]

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.

I get your point and it's true if breach take place the chance of being exploit is possible, we really can't tell what or how things may take place but the possibilities is not by far as hackers are always trying to attack even how secure the system they will try to penetrate and if ever things went to their directions, it will really bring big risk into our accounts, especially those security system that we think will help us to prevent attacks to happen.

I see you are discussing one very interesting question.  The question is which authentication is more preferable specifically for you.  
Many millions of people use Google authentication and do not even think about other ways.  However, everyone who has been interested in the development of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies for a long time and at a higher level is well aware that all open source programs are always more transparent and, in a sense, even more reliable.  
And the fact that Google's closed source authentication code may well present you with certain "gifts" in the form of potential third-party access to your credentials.  This is obviously always denied by the devs of such systems, but it also obviously may well be the case in life.  All the same, in this dilemma (open/closed source), I still lean more towards the open source option in all programs.  And in particular in variants of authentication programs.  
As for security and protection against hacker attacks, it must be said that both cannot guarantee 100% protection against hacker penetration and hacking, primarily by powerful groups of hackers.  
So in this sense, Google-only authentication is not a panacea and is not the only truly reliable information security tool.  
Moreover, even theoretically I have no doubt that, at the request of the authorities, Google will certainly provide personal information to authorized bodies in the event of an official request.  This also applies to authentication data.  
Perhaps with open source authentication, the issue is also solved, of course, but not as simply as in the case of such a widespread Google.

[danadc]

Lastly, avoid using Google Authenticator, there are far better Authenticators.

I think this is the very first time I am coming across someone advising against using Google authenticator , why exactly is good authenticator not good, I personally have been using it for as far as I can remember, maybe since 3 or 4 years ago, I've never encountered any issue of any kind, so I am very curious to know exactly why you are advising against using google authenticator, and what other better authenticators do you recommend.?.

I've also been using Google authenticator for years for 2FA authorization on many sites, including the Betfury site. So I would also be interested to know why he recommended avoiding the Google app. Of course, there are many other authenticators, but in fact, all of them have almost the same functionality, and I don't see any reason to change Google authenticator for some other similar app. The main thing is to back up the recovery codes and always keep them in several places to avoid the problems that Rigon had recently encountered.

Probably due to the close source feature of the google app which makes it risky in some way in case google is storing our data. Think about it, If google have access to your authenticator key. Your security might be exploited when their database was breach.

There’s still some good Authenticator out there that is open source. Open source is the typical choice of forum user since everyone can check the code. I’m not that kind of meticulous in 2FA since all my account is protected with multi layer security. I’m also using google account for a long time. Changing now for an open source Authenticator is not for me.

I get your point and it's true if breach take place the chance of being exploit is possible, we really can't tell what or how things may take place but the possibilities is not by far as hackers are always trying to attack even how secure the system they will try to penetrate and if ever things went to their directions, it will really bring big risk into our accounts, especially those security system that we think will help us to prevent attacks to happen.

In every casino there is no incentive for players to have a reward if they find a vulnerability, what they do is exploit it because they know that if they report it they will not receive anything in return and if they receive something in return it is very little and that is something which cannot be taken lightly, exceptions should be made, because when there is a casino exploit the casino usually stops all withdrawals and all players who have played normally without being in the exploit have to wait until the problem is fixed and that causes annoyance, because the others are not to blame, the fault lies only with the casino.