Presidential debates

[Spendulus]

Short story: Do four or five studied face expressions make someone look presidential?

Harris has many flaws, but face... seriously? With the orange combover as the POTUS, that's your concern?

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Run a part of the "debate" with the sound off and you'll see what I mean.

In a courtroom, when someone doesn't agree with what a person on the stand is saying, or perhaps what one attorney is saying, they will make these sorts of expressions. They do this because the court prevents them from vocalizing, that'll get them tossed out.

She goes way overboard with this tactic. In this debate, it's virtually a continuous show.

[squatz1]

A good team coaching you is one thing, but a good team providing you real time answers to questions is another.

Obviously we all know that everyone is going to have debate prep and to be coached and such, but no one wants you to be spoon fed answers. That's my issue with it being online.

I get the health concerns though, and if the Trump campaign/admin is transparent with his test results leading up to the debate wouldn't we be fine? Also -- Could just kick the debate back for sometime. Trumps campaign manager is saying to have the debate on Oct 22nd and the 2nd one on the 29th.

Again, it's not just Trump, but anyone in his entourage who could be contagious. Or Biden's team too for that matter. Or anyone working at the venue. I don't think Trump personally infected 11 people in Cleveland.

It's unnecessary risk for no real benefit. It's one thing to waste billions of dollars on political campaigns but it's a whole new level to put people at risk for... what exactly? Prime time entertainment?

I'll give you this, cause it is totally right.

I suppose everyone who is entering the debate facility could also submit to a test, but even doing that isn't going to rule out everything -- as people could be too early in the process to test positive for a test.

Another day in paradise, lol.

[suchmoon]

I'll give you this, cause it is totally right.

I suppose everyone who is entering the debate facility could also submit to a test, but even doing that isn't going to rule out everything -- as people could be too early in the process to test positive for a test.

Another day in paradise, lol.

Part of the problem with the White House outbreak is that they put a lot of trust into notoriously unreliable rapid tests while ignoring most of the distancing and mask guidelines. Trump's team refused to wear masks in the first debate. Trump's now sick along with 30+ people linked to the White House. The administration has not been transparent in this whole fiasco. Given all that a virtual debate is absolutely the right decision. Not everyone has a chopper on stand by and a team of doctors with experimental drugs

[TwitchySeal]

After chickening out of the debate Trump called on Barr to be the greatest AG in history and indict Biden lol.


He wants to be a dictator so bad.

[BADecker]

I'll give you this, cause it is totally right.

I suppose everyone who is entering the debate facility could also submit to a test, but even doing that isn't going to rule out everything -- as people could be too early in the process to test positive for a test.

Another day in paradise, lol.

Part of the problem with the White House outbreak is that they put a lot of trust into notoriously unreliable rapid tests while ignoring most of the distancing and mask guidelines. Trump's team refused to wear masks in the first debate. Trump's now sick along with 30+ people linked to the White House. The administration has not been transparent in this whole fiasco. Given all that a virtual debate is absolutely the right decision. Not everyone has a chopper on stand by and a team of doctors with experimental drugs

Masks and distancing are part of the problem, both for Covid, and for freedom, and for many other mental and physical diseases. Masks and distancing are part of the destruction of the economy at the same time that they increase Covid problems.

[ololajulo]

I expect the law on the distancing for the second debate to be relaxed, we need another debate to deal with some inadequacies from the previous. There should have been discussion on last night debate though the contestant are more of a subject to the president. The rating IMO dont seem reliable and I dont know if the parties are sincere enough to accept ratings that not good and take the lessons from them. The debates still looks like a norm with little effect on people's choices.

[Spendulus]

I'll give you this, cause it is totally right.

I suppose everyone who is entering the debate facility could also submit to a test, but even doing that isn't going to rule out everything -- as people could be too early in the process to test positive for a test.

Another day in paradise, lol.

Part of the problem with the White House outbreak is that they put a lot of trust into notoriously unreliable rapid tests while ignoring most of the distancing and mask guidelines. Trump's team refused to wear masks in the first debate. Trump's now sick along with 30+ people linked to the White House. The administration has not been transparent in this whole fiasco. Given all that a virtual debate is absolutely the right decision. Not everyone has a chopper on stand by and a team of doctors with experimental drugs

Why?

Six months ago everyone agreed to a lockdown because they'd "Flatten the curve." And now the goal is what? To avoid having members of the POTUS contenders get sick? To not get Covid until the vaccine is available, then take the vaccine, thus avoiding it entirely?

Plus as noted, the rapid response tests are skewed in favor of false positives, in order to get the number of false negatives as low as possible. There's a number of 1:5 I've seen as typical, one real covid infection for five positive test results.

And there's the recent CDC analysis of Covid mortality: 0.13%. So, who is articulating the end game for this Mask Theater, and what is it?

[suchmoon]

Why?

Why what? Why put people at risk for a TV show? Beats me.

Mask Theater

If you want to go bungee jumping without a cord I fully support your right to do so as long as you don't fall on my grandpa.

[TwitchySeal]

I'll give you this, cause it is totally right.

I suppose everyone who is entering the debate facility could also submit to a test, but even doing that isn't going to rule out everything -- as people could be too early in the process to test positive for a test.

Another day in paradise, lol.

Part of the problem with the White House outbreak is that they put a lot of trust into notoriously unreliable rapid tests while ignoring most of the distancing and mask guidelines. Trump's team refused to wear masks in the first debate. Trump's now sick along with 30+ people linked to the White House. The administration has not been transparent in this whole fiasco. Given all that a virtual debate is absolutely the right decision. Not everyone has a chopper on stand by and a team of doctors with experimental drugs

Why?

Because they choose to only listen to advice from those most qualified when it's not too inconvenient.  

The rapid testing wasn't too inconvenient.

The rest was.

[Spendulus]

I'll give you this, cause it is totally right.

I suppose everyone who is entering the debate facility could also submit to a test, but even doing that isn't going to rule out everything -- as people could be too early in the process to test positive for a test.

Another day in paradise, lol.

Part of the problem with the White House outbreak is that they put a lot of trust into notoriously unreliable rapid tests while ignoring most of the distancing and mask guidelines. Trump's team refused to wear masks in the first debate. Trump's now sick along with 30+ people linked to the White House. The administration has not been transparent in this whole fiasco. Given all that a virtual debate is absolutely the right decision. Not everyone has a chopper on stand by and a team of doctors with experimental drugs

Why?

Because they choose to only listen to advice from those most qualified when it's not too inconvenient. 

The rapid testing wasn't too inconvenient.

The rest was.

I'm skeptical.

https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number

... in 1918 there was a worldwide outbreak of the swine flu that killed 50 million people. According to a review article published in BMC Medicine, the R0 value of the 1918 pandemic was estimated to be between 1.4 and 2.8.

But when the swine flu, or H1N1 virus, came back in 2009, its R0 value was between 1.4 and 1.6, report researchers in the journal Science. The existence of vaccines and antiviral drugs made the 2009 outbreak much less deadly.

COVID-19 R0
The R0 for COVID-19 is a median of 5.7, according to a study published online in Emerging Infectious Diseases.

5.7 simply put means extremely infections. You are going to get it. Period. Masks and distancing might put that off but won't stop it. But the earlier number I mentioned 0.13% mortality, means you won't have much of a higher chance of death than with the common cold.

[TwitchySeal]

I'll give you this, cause it is totally right.

I suppose everyone who is entering the debate facility could also submit to a test, but even doing that isn't going to rule out everything -- as people could be too early in the process to test positive for a test.

Another day in paradise, lol.

Part of the problem with the White House outbreak is that they put a lot of trust into notoriously unreliable rapid tests while ignoring most of the distancing and mask guidelines. Trump's team refused to wear masks in the first debate. Trump's now sick along with 30+ people linked to the White House. The administration has not been transparent in this whole fiasco. Given all that a virtual debate is absolutely the right decision. Not everyone has a chopper on stand by and a team of doctors with experimental drugs

Why?

Because they choose to only listen to advice from those most qualified when it's not too inconvenient. 

The rapid testing wasn't too inconvenient.

The rest was.

I'm skeptical.

Makes sense considering you think global cooling is the greatest threat to the planet.

[Spendulus]

I'm skeptical.

Makes sense considering you think global cooling is the greatest threat to the planet.

The planet doesn't care, but civilization does. Other major threats to civilization are solar flares, asteroid impacts, germ and virus, and others. But the historical cycles show ice ages to be incredibly long term and severely impact habitable areas.

[suchmoon]

0.13% mortality

I don't even want to know what part of your anatomy you pulled that out of because it doesn't pass the smell test.

212000/0.0013 = half of the US population had COVID-19 and recovered?

[Gyfts]

Virtual debates don't work well but even if they end up doing a virtual debate, Trump isn't going to back out. He needs it way more than Joe Biden does.

I thought an outdoor debate would be a good alternative too. If Trump tests negative, have the debate outdoors to prevent further spread.

[Spendulus]

0.13% mortality

I don't even want to know what part of your anatomy you pulled that out of because it doesn't pass the smell test.

212000/0.0013 = half of the US population had COVID-19 and recovered?

deaths / population

212k / 336,000k does not yield .13 percent, but 0.06%.

I'll find the reference.

[af_newbie]

0.13% mortality

I don't even want to know what part of your anatomy you pulled that out of because it doesn't pass the smell test.

212000/0.0013 = half of the US population had COVID-19 and recovered?

deaths / population

212k / 336,000k does not yield .13 percent, but 0.06%.

I'll find the reference.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The numbers you are looking for are:

217,658/7,831,355 or 2.78%

as of Oct 8th.

mortality of an infection=deaths/# of infections

[Gyfts]

0.13% mortality

I don't even want to know what part of your anatomy you pulled that out of because it doesn't pass the smell test.

212000/0.0013 = half of the US population had COVID-19 and recovered?

deaths / population

212k / 336,000k does not yield .13 percent, but 0.06%.

I'll find the reference.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The numbers you are looking for are:

217,658/7,831,355 or 2.78%

as of Oct 8th.

mortality of an infection=deaths/# of infections

That's the confirmed case fatality rate. You can't get the mortality of a disease if you don't know how many people have it, and WHO came out and said they think that 10% of the population has gotten COVID-19, meaning over 700 million cases, not 7 million.

[suchmoon]

deaths / population

212k / 336,000k does not yield .13 percent, but 0.06%.

I'll find the reference.

That's why I said "half". Your reference must be a doozy but you might want to do this in one of the 1000 threads dedicated to COVID-19 conspiracies because this is really not about debates anymore.

That's the confirmed case fatality rate. You can't get the mortality of a disease if you don't know how many people have it, and WHO came out and said they think that 10% of the population has gotten COVID-19, meaning over 700 million cases, not 7 million.

Apples and cucumbers. 7 million is the US case count. 700 million is 10% of world population.

[Gyfts]

deaths / population

212k / 336,000k does not yield .13 percent, but 0.06%.

I'll find the reference.

That's why I said "half". Your reference must be a doozy but you might want to do this in one of the 1000 threads dedicated to COVID-19 conspiracies because this is really not about debates anymore.

That's the confirmed case fatality rate. You can't get the mortality of a disease if you don't know how many people have it, and WHO came out and said they think that 10% of the population has gotten COVID-19, meaning over 700 million cases, not 7 million.

Apples and cucumbers. 7 million is the US case count. 700 million is 10% of world population.

Yeah that's my mistake. I meant the world wide case count that's like 30M+, not just the U.S. case count.

Point being, there are a lot more cases than are confirmed so that drives the fatality rate down from the confirmed case fatality rate.

[suchmoon]

Yeah that's my mistake. I meant the world wide case count that's like 30M+, not just the U.S. case count.

Point being, there are a lot more cases than are confirmed so that drives the fatality rate down from the confirmed case fatality rate.

Ok, I'll play along, even though it's really getting off the topic. 10% of US population is 33 million. AFAIK there have been antibody tests in some locations showing rates up to 20% so let's make it 50 million total or ~15% of population.

50 million times 0.13% = 65 thousand deaths. We have 3+ times as many deaths or 0.4-0.5% fatality rate and that's based on a fairly optimistic assumption above.

Now can we accept that sacrificing people for a TV debate is just not right.