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January 05, 2021, 10:11:37 AM
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Sometimes we are interested in playing gambling because we are inspired by someone. I am inspired by some of the people below,
not because I want to beat the casino or cheat the casino. But purely out of amazement it turns out that the casino can be beaten
by some of the people below.

1. MIT Blackjack Team

Gambling has become very popular in the US, then in 1979 at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) a team of 6 people was formed
to research gambling, and how to win with counting cards. The team was led by JP Massar by gathering students who were really good at gambling,
with the aim of defeating casinos all over America. In 1980 JP Massar met Bill Kaplan and worked together to develop the MIT Blackjack Team
to 35 people. And managed to make a profit of $ 350,000. And at its peak in 1992 Bill Kaplan, JP Massar and John Chang created a company
to train many new gamblers, to beat casinos around the world.

2. Don Johnson

Is a gambler who managed to break into Atlantic City for 6 million USD in one night. His name is now famous in various casinos, and it is prohibited
to play in all casinos in America.

3. Dennis Nikrasch

Dennis Nikrasch managed to get 16 million USD from slot machines, unfortunately he cheated and had to be responsible for his actions. He cheated
by making special chips that can manipulate slot machines.

4. Tommy Glenn Carmichael

Successfully created various tools for manipulating slot machines. Like top-down joints, monkey paw and the light wand. Which makes many casinos
lose millions of dollars.

5. Richard Marcus

Richard Marcus is not a smart gambler but has lots of tricks to cheat casinos. One of the most famous cheats is when playing Roulette, by betting
3 chips of $ 5. Then the bottom chip is a $ 500 chip, so when he win it will distract with a happy shout. Then take out the $ 500 chip, but if he lose
it will take quietly the $ 500 chip.

6. Ida Summers

It turns out that not only men who are good at gambling, because a woman named Ida Summers is known as the god of gambler. With a gambling technique called Switching in Coolers and Hand Mucking. This technique requires hand speed to hide the cards from being caught, and will bring
them out again if profitable.

Those are 6 gamblers who make me even more interested in the world of gambling, maybe some of the members here also like the gamblers above.
Or there are other gamblers that you consider great that I haven't mentioned can be shared in this thread.

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January 05, 2021, 10:27:20 AM
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Pelayos' brothers also beat the casinos. They took advantage of the casinos' wheels because most of them had tiny physical defects. So some numbers were coming more frequently than others. They started keeping track of those numbers and betting accordingly. They made a lot of money but nowadays casinos make sure that their wheels have no physical imperfections.

You can see their story here:

Los Pelayos Beat The Wheel.

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January 05, 2021, 10:41:14 AM
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These are mostly cheaters who have gone out of the conventional playing method to make quick money. So there is nothing to applaud about! Gambling, especially the land based casinos are mainly created as an adult entertainment where people will come to relax and enjoy an evening with few glasses of chilled beer! That's not really a way of making money!

Because casinos are business entities and not charitable organizations so they will also have to maintain a property and pay salaries to their staffs! If everyone starts winning, then the casino will have to file for bankruptcy!

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January 05, 2021, 10:54:02 AM
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But then again, since casino's are part of the system, then beating the system means that they must be punished with jailtime and humiliation for the rest of their lives. They can be lauded as the ones who were able to make their way to a gamble and then made millions of dollars because of it. I am not sure if these methods can be emulated by others but since they are the first who were able to pull it off then casino's also did their share of making their establishments more secure from these people.

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January 05, 2021, 11:05:02 AM
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What? They are all cheaters!

I will be agreeing to some of the most popular gamblers that construct strategies to some games that are banned right now in most of the casinos. This list just proves that most of the time if we wanted to beat the casino or the house, you need an accomplice, tricks and cheats, or maybe some exploits to machines that the casino is using.
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January 05, 2021, 11:08:20 AM
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They are or most of them are cheaters that's why they win against the casino.

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Does it refers to the movie entitled 21?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsK1c9ZBpuw

I saw this movie and they use their skills in math by counting cards, yes they make money but it's still cheating.
I think there are still people who make money without cheating, but only few of them.

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January 05, 2021, 11:18:23 AM
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1. MIT Blackjack Team

This is the only one I am amazed even though they still cheated. I watched 21 in the past and at that time I think they are really amazing. To be able to memorize the cards and defeating the "system". Still, we are talking about beating the casino and one of the most popular methods they've used to beat it is through cheating.

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January 05, 2021, 11:22:24 AM
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Is there something else you wanted to share that is almost cheat free? Reading the OP seems most or all of them are gambler that cheated the casino. I think I'll be more inspired to people who never quits gambling yet manage to hit their lucks.
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January 05, 2021, 11:40:47 AM
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If I am not mistaken, the story of the MIT Blackjack Team is the original story to which the movie "21" pertains to. I was researching and found out that the movie is really based on a true story about six MIT students who are trained to play and gamble in Vegas Casinos to earn millions in winnings. But looking at the flow of the story, the players are cheating by counting cards, and formulating gestures that they themselves could only understand whether a player should play on a table or do a certain action to win as a team. It is quite a good and inspiring story but I don't think it should be appropriate to be followed by many as cheating is never a good way to earn profit in gambling. Who knows, we might get in trouble if we get caught.


By the way, here is the movie:

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January 05, 2021, 12:54:09 PM
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Can we really consider cheaters as part of the people who manage to beat the casino? Because obviously, if it was not for their tools or whatsoever, they won't be able to win such a huge amount of money. Cheating means you are also cheating yourself and it includes bigger consequences since it involves money. Personally, I won't be inspired by those people who cheated just to so-called beat the casino.
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January 05, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
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Cheating? I'll be headed anyway if I got caught.

These really give inspiration to cheaters but this also helping casino owners to tighten their security and might lead to questioning any gamblers that will consistently win. They are smart and I can't imagine how long they've been working this just to succeed.

If these people still existing these days, they are possibly banned in any casinos.

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January 05, 2021, 01:06:23 PM
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Except for the first mention, the rest are all cheaters lmao, how can we consider them as inspiration  Grin in gambling with a house edge, the casino always wins in the long run and hence, the house can't be beaten. I think, there are hundreds or thousands of inspiring gamblers who continue to be profitable because they know when to stop and when to gamble. They stay in profit, and don't lose their cool when they are on a losing streak. But their names aren't famous, the key to stay profitable in gambling is self-control and to resist the temptation to chase back losses, because that leads to more losses. I think card counting is forbidden in many offline casinos now though Tongue
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January 05, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
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Ooooh. The MIT Blackjack Team. Are they the ones that inspired the creators of the movie "21"? I really liked that movie and enjoyed how they were trained. It's quite an intense movie as well. I'm not sure if those violent scenes happened also in real life, lol. Debonaire217 confirmed my query. Thanks for that. Cheesy

Anyway, I don't think what they did is directly cheating. It's a method and if you get good at it, then you would have an advantage over the house. It's a tactic and the house never likes that for sure.

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January 05, 2021, 01:32:01 PM
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I thought counting cards in casino is only possible in movies. These guys truly are amazing, although i wonder if why only blackjack is their only expertise despite having multiple games in a casino.
I'm looking for documentaries about these explaining how they did it. If these techniques where relieved, i'm sure all house edge would be busted.
its more possible in movies because movies are fictional but it was less succesful or few gamblers are using it on real casinos  because it was cheating and they are afraid what if they will get caught .
they can pay more than what can they win but if you wana know more of card counting you can search it on this forum because card counting is a famous topic that have been discuss on this forum many times  

Pelayos' brothers also beat the casinos. They took advantage of the casinos' wheels because most of them had tiny physical defects.
all the gamblers shown on the op are cheaters but yours? i guess its not because they didnt do any tricks but aside from betting and playing normally . its a tip to the gambling owner to check the site games or the machines if its offline to ensure that no gambler can take advantage if theres any broken games & machine
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January 05, 2021, 01:49:12 PM
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From the title of your thread, I expected something completely different. I thought I would read a story about one (singular) gambler who got lucky and won millions of dollars. But this is also not bad. Even thought the first group counted cards, it still required skills, logic, concentration, and serious balls. Hats off to them. They saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

I didn't understand the story of Don Johnson. You only briefly mentioned that he "broke into Atlantic City". Are we talking about a physical break in and theft or how did he win $6 million?

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Lol cheating must be out of the list automatically. I do also cheat in our local slots just by lowkey smashing the machines and voila! many coins are popping up. So with that, I can be considered as one of those gamblers who beats casinos? Also, some machines in some casino have their fixed codes/program and not randomly generate wins. e.g. if I there are 20 loses in a machine, the next one is an absolute win. And yes, it happened to me. Yet I don't considered it beating the casino nor cheating at all.

Some unpopular opinion: does even someone manage to beat an online casino? No one... but not to those who abuses bugs in some faulty casinos Wink
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January 05, 2021, 02:10:55 PM
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Quote from: Wawa2013 link=topic=5306970.msg56024468#msg56024468 date=1609841497
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1. MIT Blackjack Team[/b]

Gambling has become very popular in the US, then in 1979 at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) a team of 6 people was formed
to research gambling, and how to win with counting cards. The team was led by JP Massar by gathering students who were really good at gambling,
with the aim of defeating casinos all over America. In 1980 JP Massar met Bill Kaplan and worked together to develop the MIT Blackjack Team
to 35 people. And managed to make a profit of $ 350,000. And at its peak in 1992 Bill Kaplan, JP Massar and John Chang created a company
to train many new gamblers, to beat casinos around the world.


While going this thread, this particular paragraph caught my attention. When a research team is formed, the team is always saddled with the task of researching a particular subject and produce a report from such research.

I want to know the gambling research that these 6 man team conducted and what's their discovery.

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January 05, 2021, 03:56:44 PM
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We have one in this forum.
This guy seems always win since every day I receive his bragging messages.
I tried to follow his path but got beaten to a pulp by the casino.

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In my honest opinion, I think cheaters should not be categorized as people who 'beat' the casino since they applied trickery on their games.

From reading their backgrounds, I think Don Johnson deserves the spot for the person who beat the casino. He was just purely lucky at that time and the gods of gambling shined upon him. I am actually surprised that some casinos banned/prohibited him from participating. Other than him, those people mentioned should be excluded as they cheated!

I didn't understand the story of Don Johnson. You only briefly mentioned that he "broke into Atlantic City". Are we talking about a physical break in and theft or how did he win $6 million?

According to Wikipedia, Don Johnson's total winnings amounted to around $15.1 million dollars in different occasions back in 2011. I suggest you research about him to further know his background.

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January 05, 2021, 04:36:58 PM
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Awesome!! Placing those people who manages to beat and break a casino and win every huge amount of money was really awesome and quite inspirational for those people who are aspiring to become a professional gamblers someday.
Don Johnson was really one of the gods that I am idolizing since day 1 because his ability and skills are pure and how he manage every round whenever he play was really superb.



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