The gambler who manages to beat the casino through cheating

[dunfida]

The gambler who manages to beat the casino through cheating

What at least most of these people do is not cheating. Yes it is against casino rules, since it brings them loss, but is definitely not cheating. They just try to beat the game. And they do it smart.

Are you actually reading on whats been written on op or you cant just understand on what that topic title you had able to read?

Go back to first page and you will find on how these players do beat up or make money on the casinos

-manipulating slots
-deceiving chips replacement
-hand speed switching

This is why its important to read the whole context/post.

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[Ryker1]

Well, I don't know how they manage the cheat those people mentioned by the OP. Once you will cash out in a big amount from the online gambling site, it will require you to pass KYC, perhaps this case will apply to offline gambling but online, I don't think so because most likely owners will monitor all their users and they will detect fraud or abuse. I don't know how does it feel if you will taking advantage of the gambling site, for me, its a conscience that you cheat for the purpose of feeding your greed which is totally wrong.

[Yamifoud]

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

yeah, but this is also a way that casinos must have to deal with their players fairly otherwise, they must have to cheat against them just to win.
In the part of casinos as well, they will have to ensure that they are prepared for such a case and these cheaters can't be successful with their evil intentions.

But above all, this kind of activity encourages people to cheat and win. A reason why some gamblers got caught into cheating but not the casino itself. They are not smart enough to bet casinos as they are already aware of this kind after learning those cheaters that OP had mentioned.

[kramchers]

I thought counting cards in casino is only possible in movies. These guys truly are amazing, although i wonder if why only blackjack is their only expertise despite having multiple games in a casino.
I'm looking for documentaries about these explaining how they did it. If these techniques where relieved, i'm sure all house edge would be busted.

Yeah, you're right dude. I remembered the movie title was " The God of Gambler " where Chow Yut Fat was the main character if I ma not mistaken. I watched this movies and it was cool actually. But anyway, these master's of gamblers are popular in the world of gambling industry, for sure in all casino, roulette, and more they are banned isn't that right?

[maydna]

I thought counting cards in casino is only possible in movies. These guys truly are amazing, although i wonder if why only blackjack is their only expertise despite having multiple games in a casino.
I'm looking for documentaries about these explaining how they did it. If these techniques where relieved, i'm sure all house edge would be busted.

Yeah, you're right dude. I remembered the movie title was " The God of Gambler " where Chow Yut Fat was the main character if I ma not mistaken. I watched this movies and it was cool actually. But anyway, these master's of gamblers are popular in the world of gambling industry, for sure in all casino, roulette, and more they are banned isn't that right?

I like to watch "The God of Gambler" where I am amazed at Chow Yun Fa's acting. He was calm, cool, and he shows his best acting in that movie, and that is one of his movies that I liked.

I believe that some people who only have skills in blackjack can win the game, and they also have big luck in that game, so that makes them be able to make money from that game. Perhaps, we can find and get their technique to learn the lesson to have their skills, But I think that it will not be easy to master those skills, and we need time before we can have high skills in that game.

[boyptc]

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

You're right about this, this could be the best for bug hunting which we all know to attract handsome rewards. In my local games i usually tried to game the platform but this isn't ethical becasue it help destroy ones reputations built for years.

They can tell it to the management that they have found a bug instead of exploiting and abusing.

They will be rewarded for that if they are the first to find it out. But the casino can still reward them if it has been caught again.

[Twinkledoe]

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

You're right about this, this could be the best for bug hunting which we all know to attract handsome rewards. In my local games i usually tried to game the platform but this isn't ethical becasue it help destroy ones reputations built for years.

They can tell it to the management that they have found a bug instead of exploiting and abusing.

They will be rewarded for that if they are the first to find it out. But the casino can still reward them if it has been caught again.

Actually, that is the better way to do it. At leat your conscience is clear and you may be rewarded with your initiatives to report a bug. Because if you will just abuse it, the end game will be bad. And I don't think you will enjoy for that long as you got your money in not-so-good way.  Better be on the right side, at least you will be happy if the management will compensate your effort.

[RealMalatesta]

if the only way to beat a casino was through cheating then you may have a point, but there are many players that over the years have beaten the casinos legitimately even in games that you could consider to be pure luck like craps and roulette so I think we should not mix the two, the players that actually beat the casinos are for the most part incredible people with a talent and a determination to create a new strategy to beat the casinos while the rest are cheaters.

I don't understand this strategy thing because no matter what strategy you make it will always act against a constant house edge and you are expected to lose no matter how smart you are unless you are cheating like mentioned in the OP. You cannot call them talented if players are able to win against the casino in the long term without cheating, instead I call them incredibly lucky.

Cheating has existed since the casinos and sportsbook are made, there are various methods which players use and exploit bugs and I have seen a few sportsbook cheaters myself so I know a few tricks but the house will recognize such players and ban them forever so not worth trying tricks unless you have a special one.

[STT]

They made a lot of money but nowadays casinos make sure that their wheels have no physical imperfections.

There is a recent case similar to this but with a tool used to detect imperfections in timing and bias for where the ball will land, it wasnt an exact number just an area of the wheel where it became more probable.   The tool they used to measure the wheel had lasers on it, the group using this were caught using the tool and were not allowed to withdraw their winnings.
  However they sued the casino for the lost winnings and argued in court to measure the wheel with a laser was not manipulation or banned, the court agreed and forced the casino to pay them their winnings.   This took place in London if memory is serving me correctly.

[Janation]

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

You're right about this, this could be the best for bug hunting which we all know to attract handsome rewards. In my local games i usually tried to game the platform but this isn't ethical becasue it help destroy ones reputations built for years.

There will be a lot of gamblers that would abuse it though.

Not all of the time, these gamblers would point out the bugs happening in a machine or a gambling site. Most of them would even abuse it and use it until they are satisfied. Let's be honest, we are talking about winning money through gambling. In the past it happened here as my father told me, they just abused the bug and when the owner found it, people just said they didn't know.

[Mauser]

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

I think this normally happens once you get caught. We see that a lot of former tricksters and cheaters become security consultants later in life. It might be a decent way to try and avoid a large prison sentence. I think once you made your money with cheating it's all about keeping that money and being able to enjoy it.

[robelneo]

Let just said that you are not going to jail but for sure it will torture once the owner caught a cheaters to their gambling place.
It's good for the cheaters or have plan fo cheat in gambling to not continue their plan and use their skills to apply jobs or better to have own business instead of cheating.

If the casino is being run by a mafia you are in big trouble, no one and you don't mess with a mafia they are hard to deal with, if you are a cheater be sure you are going to pick the right casino to cheat you don't want with a casino run by mafia, many casinos are run or have connection with mafias so they can protect their business from thugs, cheaters and debtors, of course this will not apply to online casinos.

[jaberwock]

I think people who can get a win at a casino gambling place have very good luck because if you want to commit fraud in this game it is very difficult to do, but you should also be careful because a gambling place can make you lose instantly if you don't be careful when taking steps.

Same applies to the casino because if they leave a loophole in their system while creating the casino they can get raped by the players in no time and there have been special hackers like HufflePuff who were able to rip apart reputed casinos like primedice by using the repeated server seed trick by forcing too many bets on the system.

No matter how much effort went into building a casino whether it's online or physical there are always some bugs and errors, so even though it's extremely hard to find them it doesn't mean it's impossible to cheat the system and use it in a way that is profitable specifically for you.

Exactly my point too and with crypto casinos its even more dangerous because they don't ask for KYC and have instant withdrawals and to make things worst the payments are in bitcoins/crypto which means they cannot even track players once they are able to cheat and run away with money.

[ethereumhunter]

Let just said that you are not going to jail but for sure it will torture once the owner caught a cheaters to their gambling place.
It's good for the cheaters or have plan fo cheat in gambling to not continue their plan and use their skills to apply jobs or better to have own business instead of cheating.

If the casino is being run by a mafia you are in big trouble, no one and you don't mess with a mafia they are hard to deal with, if you are a cheater be sure you are going to pick the right casino to cheat you don't want with a casino run by mafia, many casinos are run or have connection with mafias so they can protect their business from thugs, cheaters and debtors, of course this will not apply to online casinos.

If that so, I am sure they will not easily forgive us, and maybe we will die in their hand because we are trying to disturb their business. The casino will have their own security officials, and they can do anything to the cheaters, and I am sure that the police will not try to interfere with that problem because the police will think that is their internal problem. But if that is happening to online casinos, the casino will not let the winner take the money and the casino will block their account.

[plvbob0070]

The gambler who manages to beat the casino through cheating

What at least most of these people do is not cheating. Yes it is against casino rules, since it brings them loss, but is definitely not cheating. They just try to beat the game. And they do it smart.

Yes, they are working smart to think of a way to beat the house. They have the mind to find ways to be able to beat the house and they were successful but their method is just unethical and that's purely cheating. We may have different opinions as you believe it's not cheating but for me, it's considered cheating as they violated rules and used tools and techniques that should not be done in the first place.

[Lorence.xD]

The guy that made a special chip that manipulates the slot machines is the most cunning of them together with the guy that made tools to manipulate slot machine. He could have get away with the chip if he did a strategy where he doesn't seem suspicious.

[maydna]

The guy that made a special chip that manipulates the slot machines is the most cunning of them together with the guy that made tools to manipulate slot machine. He could have get away with the chip if he did a strategy where he doesn't seem suspicious.

He is smart to use a special chip that can manipulate the machine without anyone knows on the first time, but sooner or later, he will get caught by the casino, and I am sure that he will get something to pay back the casino. But it will not be easy to apply that chips to the machine without anyone knows as, in the casino, the security officer will not let anyone cheat on their place. Perhaps, he can use that chips on some casino, but he will not have a chance to use the other casino chips because the other casino will be very careful from a gambler who wants to cheat them.

[Fredomago]

The guy that made a special chip that manipulates the slot machines is the most cunning of them together with the guy that made tools to manipulate slot machine. He could have get away with the chip if he did a strategy where he doesn't seem suspicious.

He is smart to use a special chip that can manipulate the machine without anyone knows on the first time, but sooner or later, he will get caught by the casino, and I am sure that he will get something to pay back the casino. But it will not be easy to apply that chips to the machine without anyone knows as, in the casino, the security officer will not let anyone cheat on their place. Perhaps, he can use that chips on some casino, but he will not have a chance to use the other casino chips because the other casino will be very careful from a gambler who wants to cheat them.

Running a business like this always accompanied by risk coming from those cheaters, casino owners are well aware of this possibilities that's why they are very furious watching each gamblers behaviors.

Those guys who able to manifest their cheating activities may be able to comes out clean for the first time but sooner or later they'll be noticed and each securities around the casinoswill keep an eye with them,  the system may be cheat but people who run this business are easily learning things and will look upon it to know if it's fairly done or cheating/manipulating has been  done.

[Lorence.xD]

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He is smart to use a special chip that can manipulate the machine without anyone knows on the first time, but sooner or later, he will get caught by the casino, and I am sure that he will get something to pay back the casino. But it will not be easy to apply that chips to the machine without anyone knows as, in the casino, the security officer will not let anyone cheat on their place. Perhaps, he can use that chips on some casino, but he will not have a chance to use the other casino chips because the other casino will be very careful from a gambler who wants to cheat them.

What I am saying is that the man could've got away with it if he planned how to approach the situation, if he acted suspicious like being jumpy or anxious then he will be a sore thumb that could be spotted miles away, maybe if he did some heist type of cheating with that chip, I think that until now, he could have made a living.

[vintages]

We have one in this forum.
This guy seems always win since every day I receive his bragging messages.
I tried to follow his path but got beaten to a pulp by the casino.

Lol, you followed his path and got beaten because there is somethings he is not sharing; which are the vital things he does that led to his winnings. Don't blame him though, when a method (especially in games) is saturated, it becomes hard to win.