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Sometimes we are interested in playing gambling because we are inspired by someone. I am inspired by some of the people below,
not because I want to beat the casino or cheat the casino. But purely out of amazement it turns out that the casino can be beaten
by some of the people below.

1. MIT Blackjack Team
https://i.imgur.com/kdu49vr.jpg
Gambling has become very popular in the US, then in 1979 at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) a team of 6 people was formed
to research gambling, and how to win with counting cards. The team was led by JP Massar by gathering students who were really good at gambling,
with the aim of defeating casinos all over America. In 1980 JP Massar met Bill Kaplan and worked together to develop the MIT Blackjack Team
to 35 people. And managed to make a profit of $ 350,000. And at its peak in 1992 Bill Kaplan, JP Massar and John Chang created a company
to train many new gamblers, to beat casinos around the world.

2. Don Johnson
https://i.imgur.com/5WccH7i.jpg
Is a gambler who managed to break into Atlantic City for 6 million USD in one night. His name is now famous in various casinos, and it is prohibited
to play in all casinos in America.

3. Dennis Nikrasch
https://i.imgur.com/XfPU0pL.jpg
Dennis Nikrasch managed to get 16 million USD from slot machines, unfortunately he cheated and had to be responsible for his actions. He cheated
by making special chips that can manipulate slot machines.

4. Tommy Glenn Carmichael
https://i.imgur.com/58m9ap9.jpg
Successfully created various tools for manipulating slot machines. Like top-down joints, monkey paw and the light wand. Which makes many casinos
lose millions of dollars.

5. Richard Marcus
https://i.imgur.com/3PL4NCg.jpg
Richard Marcus is not a smart gambler but has lots of tricks to cheat casinos. One of the most famous cheats is when playing Roulette, by betting
3 chips of $ 5. Then the bottom chip is a $ 500 chip, so when he win it will distract with a happy shout. Then take out the $ 500 chip, but if he lose
it will take quietly the $ 500 chip.

6. Ida Summers
https://i.imgur.com/rDZ5u5B.jpg
It turns out that not only men who are good at gambling, because a woman named Ida Summers is known as the god of gambler. With a gambling technique called Switching in Coolers and Hand Mucking. This technique requires hand speed to hide the cards from being caught, and will bring
them out again if profitable.

Those are 6 gamblers who make me even more interested in the world of gambling, maybe some of the members here also like the gamblers above.
Or there are other gamblers that you consider great that I haven't mentioned can be shared in this thread.

Pelayos' brothers also beat the casinos. They took advantage of the casinos' wheels because most of them had tiny physical defects. So some numbers were coming more frequently than others. They started keeping track of those numbers and betting accordingly. They made a lot of money but nowadays casinos make sure that their wheels have no physical imperfections.

You can see their story here:

Los Pelayos Beat The Wheel. (https://www.npr.org/2014/04/25/306869524/los-pelayos-beat-the-wheel?t=1609842138351)

These are mostly cheaters who have gone out of the conventional playing method to make quick money. So there is nothing to applaud about! Gambling, especially the land based casinos are mainly created as an adult entertainment where people will come to relax and enjoy an evening with few glasses of chilled beer! That's not really a way of making money!

Because casinos are business entities and not charitable organizations so they will also have to maintain a property and pay salaries to their staffs! If everyone starts winning, then the casino will have to file for bankruptcy!

But then again, since casino's are part of the system, then beating the system means that they must be punished with jailtime and humiliation for the rest of their lives. They can be lauded as the ones who were able to make their way to a gamble and then made millions of dollars because of it. I am not sure if these methods can be emulated by others but since they are the first who were able to pull it off then casino's also did their share of making their establishments more secure from these people.

What? They are all cheaters!

I will be agreeing to some of the most popular gamblers that construct strategies to some games that are banned right now in most of the casinos. This list just proves that most of the time if we wanted to beat the casino or the house, you need an accomplice, tricks and cheats, or maybe some exploits to machines that the casino is using.

They are or most of them are cheaters that's why they win against the casino.

Does it refers to the movie entitled 21?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsK1c9ZBpuw

I saw this movie and they use their skills in math by counting cards, yes they make money but it's still cheating.
I think there are still people who make money without cheating, but only few of them.

This is the only one I am amazed even though they still cheated. I watched 21 in the past and at that time I think they are really amazing. To be able to memorize the cards and defeating the "system". Still, we are talking about beating the casino and one of the most popular methods they've used to beat it is through cheating.

Is there something else you wanted to share that is almost cheat free? Reading the OP seems most or all of them are gambler that cheated the casino. I think I'll be more inspired to people who never quits gambling yet manage to hit their lucks.

If I am not mistaken, the story of the MIT Blackjack Team is the original story to which the movie "21" pertains to. I was researching and found out that the movie is really based on a true story about six MIT students who are trained to play and gamble in Vegas Casinos to earn millions in winnings. But looking at the flow of the story, the players are cheating by counting cards, and formulating gestures that they themselves could only understand whether a player should play on a table or do a certain action to win as a team. It is quite a good and inspiring story but I don't think it should be appropriate to be followed by many as cheating is never a good way to earn profit in gambling. Who knows, we might get in trouble if we get caught.


By the way, here is the movie:

Can we really consider cheaters as part of the people who manage to beat the casino? Because obviously, if it was not for their tools or whatsoever, they won't be able to win such a huge amount of money. Cheating means you are also cheating yourself and it includes bigger consequences since it involves money. Personally, I won't be inspired by those people who cheated just to so-called beat the casino.

Cheating? I'll be headed anyway if I got caught.

These really give inspiration to cheaters but this also helping casino owners to tighten their security and might lead to questioning any gamblers that will consistently win. They are smart and I can't imagine how long they've been working this just to succeed.

If these people still existing these days, they are possibly banned in any casinos.

Except for the first mention, the rest are all cheaters lmao, how can we consider them as inspiration  ;D in gambling with a house edge, the casino always wins in the long run and hence, the house can't be beaten. I think, there are hundreds or thousands of inspiring gamblers who continue to be profitable because they know when to stop and when to gamble. They stay in profit, and don't lose their cool when they are on a losing streak. But their names aren't famous, the key to stay profitable in gambling is self-control and to resist the temptation to chase back losses, because that leads to more losses. I think card counting is forbidden in many offline casinos now though :P

Ooooh. The MIT Blackjack Team. Are they the ones that inspired the creators of the movie "21"? I really liked that movie and enjoyed how they were trained. It's quite an intense movie as well. I'm not sure if those violent scenes happened also in real life, lol. Debonaire217 confirmed my query. Thanks for that. :D

Anyway, I don't think what they did is directly cheating. It's a method and if you get good at it, then you would have an advantage over the house. It's a tactic and the house never likes that for sure.

its more possible in movies because movies are fictional but it was less succesful or few gamblers are using it on real casinos  because it was cheating and they are afraid what if they will get caught .
they can pay more than what can they win but if you wana know more of card counting you can search it on this forum because card counting is a famous topic that have been discuss on this forum many times  

all the gamblers shown on the op are cheaters but yours? i guess its not because they didnt do any tricks but aside from betting and playing normally . its a tip to the gambling owner to check the site games or the machines if its offline to ensure that no gambler can take advantage if theres any broken games & machine

From the title of your thread, I expected something completely different. I thought I would read a story about one (singular) gambler who got lucky and won millions of dollars. But this is also not bad. Even thought the first group counted cards, it still required skills, logic, concentration, and serious balls. Hats off to them. They saw an opportunity and took advantage of it.

I didn't understand the story of Don Johnson. You only briefly mentioned that he "broke into Atlantic City". Are we talking about a physical break in and theft or how did he win $6 million?

Lol cheating must be out of the list automatically. I do also cheat in our local slots just by lowkey smashing the machines and voila! many coins are popping up. So with that, I can be considered as one of those gamblers who beats casinos? Also, some machines in some casino have their fixed codes/program and not randomly generate wins. e.g. if I there are 20 loses in a machine, the next one is an absolute win. And yes, it happened to me. Yet I don't considered it beating the casino nor cheating at all.

Some unpopular opinion: does even someone manage to beat an online casino? No one... but not to those who abuses bugs in some faulty casinos ;)

While going this thread, this particular paragraph caught my attention. When a research team is formed, the team is always saddled with the task of researching a particular subject and produce a report from such research.

I want to know the gambling research that these 6 man team conducted and what's their discovery.

We have one in this forum. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1051955)
This guy seems always win since every day I receive his bragging messages.
I tried to follow his path but got beaten to a pulp by the casino.

In my honest opinion, I think cheaters should not be categorized as people who 'beat' the casino since they applied trickery on their games.

From reading their backgrounds, I think Don Johnson deserves the spot for the person who beat the casino. He was just purely lucky at that time and the gods of gambling shined upon him. I am actually surprised that some casinos banned/prohibited him from participating. Other than him, those people mentioned should be excluded as they cheated!


According to Wikipedia, Don Johnson's total winnings amounted to around $15.1 million dollars in different occasions back in 2011. I suggest you research about him to further know his background.

Awesome!! Placing those people who manages to beat and break a casino and win every huge amount of money was really awesome and quite inspirational for those people who are aspiring to become a professional gamblers someday.
Don Johnson was really one of the gods that I am idolizing since day 1 because his ability and skills are pure and how he manage every round whenever he play was really superb.

Yeah, they mostly beat the casinos but with a cheat. I thought that it's like having a genius strategy that they were able to beat the casino.

I remember a series that there's a device that the character was able to manipulate the results of the slots, I think that was with the Prison Break episode and with the trivia from OP, I didn't thought that it happened in real life.

Great to see that at least by Chances Casino Houses has been beaten ,because whole of their career ,they are the one whos Bagging Money from Players.

So taking this amount won't really hurt them either from legal or illegal ways.

Those people mentioned are really great in their respected careers.

Agreed, the only legitimate example of a group of gamblers beating the casino is the MIT team, everyone else is just a cheater, which surprises me because there have been many gamblers over the years that did so legitimately by finding new strategies, one of them is Edward Thorp he is the creator of card counting which is a strategy that gives advantage to the player when certain conditions are met and it should not surprise anyone he also found a way to profit from the stock market and made a fortune that way.

Well, Beating the Casino is literally cheating the casino and I think when a person keeps on winning at something the Casino's will be alarm at this and investigate that person if there is something suspicious about him/her, And yes this is punishable by law if there is proof that they really did it,

I guess if you can not beat the system in an honest to goodness way then don't play casino gambling because there is no such thing that a player would win without anything suspicious behind it, although there is really a person that has 100% luck.

It was and always will be a goal for a lot of people to win the house, but casinos are so sophisticated now..that it is almost impossible for regular people to win the casino. ( I know the card counters are registered on a database that are shared between the different casinos in Vegas)

People have also created multiple accounts with the same seed and successfully predicted the possible outcome of a bet in a split second for the other accounts... but it was quickly flagged, because the cheater got greedy and several wins in a row... caught the attention of the support team. (This is why withdrawals are monitored and checked)  ;)

Thank you for providing information regarding the Pelayos brothers, I tried reading from the link you gave and also looking for myself related to
Pelayos brothers. It's also quite interesting the way they beat casinos, it turns out that they are quite famous in the casino world because they
have won hundreds of thousands of dollars at the Roulette table in several countries. And it turns out that the film Winning Streak (2012) was
inspired by the story of the Pelayos brothers.

Winning Streak (2012) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843202/)

Most are cheaters indeed, casinos was design to have the advantage but sometimes there's
lucky gamblers who are able to get something huge out from the gambling house.

But in terms of consistent and honest playing, it will be more difficult to beat the house. You need to have lots of experienced and good
emotional control to take your chances.

You can  inspired by allowing yourself to find the right ways to  set a good strategy
to continuously have the edge to win little by little.

You can change the title to something like gamblers who managed to beat casinos through cheating, majority or almost all of them won because they are cheating the system, I wonder who among them are charged, fined or gone to prison because of their cheating, there is one article among gamblers who beat the casino in a fair manner, but these personalities are something, they honed their skills to cheat the casinos, unfortunately, you cannot get away all the time.

Correct! its a bit misleading and i thought that they legitimately beat up the casino on legal way but on reading up all of them do make use of fraud or illegal way of playing.
Yes, they had earned money but not with sheer luck but rather cheating.Its just right that they should really be banned nor get prisoned on the actions that they had made.
There's no way for you to beat up the casino and we know that casinos wont really be allowing to those people who do sip out money on them.
Once you get caught then you do know on what would happen.

And with time, casinos found out how they did cheat during their winnings.
Remember, these casino people are sharp to identify possible tricks that these gamblers are pulling off.
It is better to earn money without any swindling involved.
Because either it will haunt you or you will get into trouble once uncovered.
Beating a casino is rarely heard of when you apply honest strategies.

The worse thing that can happen when cheating in a casinos is when you are posted and ban on all casinos, casinos online or offline are interacting with each other so they know names and personalities of gamblers that are cheating, or who had bad records, they take note of that and they are not allowing them to play in their casinos.

Ya, I have a bit of a hard time considering them as having beat the casino if they went to jail for it.  That'd be like saying you robbed a bank and got away, but you ended up going to jail.  I think the "got away" tends to include the freedom of paying the consequences for your crime.  The subject line is eye grabbing though.  I clicked it expecting to see some wild claims of amazing gamblers but found the actual content to be a bit more interesting anyway. 

These are 6 gamblers who really made money out of casinos. On the other side of the fence are hundreds of millions of other gamblers who are losing in casinos. And up to this day, casinos are still money-making machines. They multiply in number because the business is thriving.

I think it takes a little genius or above-average skill to really beat a casino. Only a handful of gamblers have that. And because of that, casinos are actually facing a little risk of losing instead of winning.

I'm afraid this inspiration might not be working well for you in the end.

Upon all of those .seems like This one has the safest way to win as He was not charge of any violation aside from being prohibited in Gambling casino houses ?

Meaning He only manage to win using skills and Luck ?it is not mentioned of What Game he made this 6 million Dollar but it can be Just a Pure Luck right?

The one i mentioned has No record of cheating , just got beaten the casino by 6 million in 1 night.

The Team is the most accurate of them all because of having a Formal study and using Math ,without cheating and also  spreading their knowledge to help other gambler at least have a chance to win over Blackjack casino .

But i think it's better to study other games also because casinos are really dominating the system and gamblers comes to be their food for the table all the time.

How can you forget the famous poker player Phil Ivey? He won around $8m-$9m according to sources.

Was even in the 60 minutes plus talking about his technique.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41751208

However, he wasn't paid because the casino said he was cheating using the 'edge sorting' and lost the case against Crockfords Club.

Those all people managed to beat the casino not by luck just by their cheating strategies which can't be considered as actual beating the house because it is actually possible in long run no matter what. Well, these are some interesting stories behind the great minds who used to be smart but get caught at the end. :D

If they really beat the casino with their skills, I will give my salute to all of them. But if they beat the casino by cheating them, hm I don't think they are smart enough too beat the casino. They could have something secret to beat the casino so that they will take the money with them. The card games are hard gambling games, and it needs high skills to beat the other players or the casino. The casino itself will found if they cheat them by knowing how much money the gamblers take. Once the casino realizes the money they already lose, they will become suspicious and investigate the gamblers.

Similar to the MIT gambling team, I remember watching a documentary called 'Holly Rollers' about a group of Christians who formed a team of card counters and made a business out of trying to beat casinos at blackjack. According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Team), they received $1.2 million in investments and won over $3 million. Eventually, they started getting banned from casinos and they disbanded after six years.

That's just how it is, if you don't cheat, you won't really beat those casinos because they are a lot tough than you thought. Anyway, cheating in casinos is not a good idea though, when you caught you face some heavy charges depends on what kind of cheating you did. Some people might not even reach the police station maybe they got their punishment outside the casino. You know what I mean.

Anyway, Those people are rare considering they can create some technologies to counter the machines in the casinos. it's just they get some bad luck when they started to become greed and lose their chance to spend the money which they deserve after losing probably close to those amounts they've got. They've been playing for years and might losing every time for those years they played.

This is amazing.

Never thought that there are other teams like the MIT group. I've seen this title on Netflix in the past and I don't actually think that it is about gambling. I will be watching it, it might be good.

There are definitely very few who can successfully cheat a casino. And all of them might end up getting caught. Casinos are wise. They have eyes everywhere, too. They will notice you if you are winning more often than you should have. And you might not be admitted the next time around. So it is really hard to cheat. You may do it but you should avoid making a pattern if you don't want those cameras to be zooming in on your face in the monitoring room.

I am amazed with their great abilities in beating the casinos but not to be inspired with those cheating techniques like Dennis and that of a god gambler woman with fast hand. Isn't more interesting and inspiring if one particular person really beat casinos repeatedly without using a trick or cheating? Like having a good instinct and pure luck with courage then it could be serve as an inspiration to everyone.

Anyway, if others can cheat the casinos by making special chips to manipulate slots machine, etc. This makes me think that others may also do the same by making a good program to also cheat in online casinos.

Thank you robelneo for the input, I have changed the title so it is not misleading. You are correct indeed most of the gamblers I mentioned beat
casinos through cheating. But to my knowledge it is very difficult to beat casinos without cheating, but indeed the gamblers I mentioned are not
to be imitated. I just want to share information.


I didn't forget to include Phil Ivey, I just didn't know him, maybe because I didn't really like poker games. But after I read an article related to
Phil Ivey, who has the nickname the tiger woods of poker, I was quite curious about how to play it. Later, if there is free time, I will try to watch
him play poker from videos on the YouTube platform. Rumor has it that his total fortune is up to $ 100 million from the information I got on wikipedia,
if the information is correct, it is impressive.

OP, here is another 10m+ case:

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/25107-poker-legend-phil-ivey-settles-10-1-million-lawsuit-with-borgata

https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/borgata-and-phil-ivey-will-settle-the-infamous-baccarat-case/

Between Phil Ivey and Borgata. He's a famous poker player with some nasty gambling habits.

It's not cheating, it's 'equalizing the odds' :D

the girl named herself after god but what she did was against to god . she is blessed with a talent , fast hands . actually all of them are talented but if they  can make use of those talent for good and not for taking advantage of ones business we wont be this angry . dont know if there are already gambler that beats the casino in a fair way but i think there ist yet because if winning is easy , we wont see so many cheaters . online casinos are more prone to cheats but casinos wont just sit and do nothing , they are also moving to terminate cheaters .

We're all creating out our own strategies just to win in gambling and it's just that these people have created their own strategies that turned out to be cheating strategies. I'm also amazed by the skills that they have just to win again casinos. They're admirable for being smart but cheating is still cheating and we shouldn't plan to beat casinos by doing things like what they did because it has huge consequences.

If they still using the same way to beat the casino that is known as cheating, they will not get success in the other time because if the casino knows about that, they will share the news, so the other casino will know and will prevent that things happen again.
The people who cheat the casino will need to be careful from the casino because they can get caught in the other time, and they will not be able to gamble on any casino.
The casino will not stop chasing people to get their money back, and if necessary, the casino will hire some people to help them get the money.

So this cheating real stories from Casino guys only proves you cannot win huge amount of money in any casinos without cheating? I know this casinos is really hard to beat you need thousands of money to be able to win but this is not assurance even you have thousands if you have no strategy then eventually you will lose.   

Winning in a casino in an illegal way has a consequence.
Probably there are some who tried to cheat in the casino and luckily they didn't get caught. Either way, quite amazed by these people who can do things like this.

This just shows then that some of the games in a casino can be manipulated. As per my part, I don't have intentions to gamble or cheat in the casino because if I tried to cheat then I will get punished and one more is that I'm not capable of cheating it :D. Just good luck for those gamblers who are trying to do the same though :).

Surprisingly, you didn't mention one of the most high profile cheating incident in Bitcoin's gambling history.

Hufflepuff cheated Primedice 2,400 BTC a few years ago by exploiting a glitch that allows the reuse of secret seeds[1]. At today's value, that's worth 84 million dollars. I was skeptical of the winnings when I came across it on the forum and I was sure no one would be able to beat the house that way.


[1] https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

Win against casinos by sheer luck = legal
Win against casinos by skills = illegal or cheating

That's just how they look at it since everyone is convinced that nobody can win against casinos using skills alone and without cheating.
Card counting is a great skill but casinos are so scared of losing money so they prohibited it.

I don't think so, a number of gamblers has won huge amount without cheating the casino,
Skills are developed over time and it should not be term as illegal if one uses skills in casino houses cause skill in not part of cheating.

Well, I'm not surprised that most of them are cheaters. If everything is correct, the casino has a positive mathematical expentacy with every play, while the player has a negative one. Only counting cards in the past and those imperfections found by the Pelayos brothers could beat the casino but I think it's nearly impossible nowadays, unless someone finds a way to somewhat hack the online casinos software.

That is a great perspective.

These people have their own skills and they are just taking or using them to be able to make them a profit but in another perspective, that application of skill is considered as cheating. Like those people exploiting the vulnerability of those machines which means they are skilled when it comes to those machines. That is skill.

I really amazed at how they have done all those things to won bug amount of money but cheaters are cheaters and nothings is good about it, the worst thing about it is that you may get into jail for doing such actions, it is still better to idolize those gamblers who use their skills, techniques, knowledge and proper research to take advantage to the game and win big prizes.

That's the only way  gmblers have a high chance in winning against the house.


H.E and everything are being calculate plus all the calculations that being test before they start facilitating the business.


Yeah, as house already have counter for that and if in terms of live landbase casinos they will throw you away if you do counting the cards.

Of course you can still win huge in a casino, however the odds are going to be slim. And that's why these people find a way to 'cheat' or exploit loopholes in the gaming industry. Nevertheless, they are caught red handed, some of them goes to jail, some of them become cooperative thus they are hired to caught more cheaters.

These guys all are known because they cheated in physical casinos with all kind of tricks.There are a lot more unknown which have exploited online casinos that we don’t know about because they operate by getting small chunks and not go up to 16 million dollars.These are much more difficult to catch and are a cancer to online gambling.Luckily casinos have build their security to another level and slow slow these hackers cannot do any harm in the future.

Wondering how this chips do? Manipulate the Slot machine? hope this can be furthermore coz it's interesting and cool  ;D

I have been losing Too Much in Slots in Live casino so wondering how this can manage to make the slot machine go over the chips to give positive outcome.

I wouldn't call them "great minds" though. Cheating isn't something a wise person would consider performing. Take the MIT team, prolly the wisest people of them all. Being scientists they could direct their efforts on inventing something which would make millions of USD for them legally. Many people could benefit from their inventions, while they could make good profits themselves. And yet they decided to engage in card counting, or, in other words, stealing money from casinos and other gamblers.

In my case if I will found some strategies to beat some games then I will definitely use it and for those people who spent a lot of time to research some strategies to beat the casinos then I salute them as they are not just random cheaters as they are spending their time in order to develop a useful strategy just like the MIT Team.

Every game has a weakness that is why the casinos are also vulnerable but it doesn't mean that they can be cheated easily as the casino owners are also doing their best to make a counter measures to their game weaknesses and as you can see if the casino can find out that they are being cheated then they will definitely act.

That is a great list of very interesting people. Maybe you wan't to add Phil Ivey as well? He managed to cheat the casino out of a lot of money by memorising the layout of the cards. I haven't heard of many people who manage to cheat in a large scale playing Baccarat. In the end he had to repay the money tho as the casino went to court.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/25107-poker-legend-phil-ivey-settles-10-1-million-lawsuit-with-borgata (https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/25107-poker-legend-phil-ivey-settles-10-1-million-lawsuit-with-borgata)

Not all the gamblers on the list are cheaters. The MIT Blackjack team was not composed of cheaters. They were composed of honest casino players. They played according to the rules. They didn't do something which was outside the rules of blackjack. It was just a matter of brilliance. They are more than the ordinary gamblers. They can play with the existing rules, take advantage of them, and make millions.

Cheaters could be reported to the police, get caught, fined, and may be incarcerated. But all these cannot be done to them because they were not criminals. They're just a bunch of above-averaged students who have taken the game on a whole new level.

Casinos would know if they are cheated or not, they are expected to win most of the time and if there's abnormal results on their profitability, they'll conduct and investigation to find out the reason behind, and if someone is winning constantly, they will also check on that person.

Right now, we have cameras all over and the security is improved now, so it's hard to cheat a casino.

Those cheaters were able to abuse the casinos before, but I doubt it would happen at the current generation.

Cheating is also an art which needs some special skills so I will call it as smartness to be honest but its morally wrong and discouraged for sure. Those person worked on how to cheat the system when all the people were just blaming their fate for their results which is something to be consider for smart mind.

Yes, that's why 'mostly' was the word that I've said. Well that guy has been winning with whatever strategy he had in his mind.

A casino that lost that amount in one instance would definitely start to be strict because that's a huge money that came out to them.

First off, cheating is cheating,,, you are not beating the casino if you are cheating;) You can cheat your friends, other players, the house, but that is not the definition of beating the casino legitimately!

Card counting is not cheating though, technically. Casinos can blacklist you but it is not a crime as far as I know.

The 5th one is quite ridiculous though, I mean I don't imagine someone will do that lame tricks yet he managed to get millions with that. Anyway, cheating is unacceptable in every aspect even in gambling so there's nothing to be applauded with that because they didn't play in fair. Imagine everyone is striving hard to win gambling even though luck isn't the side of them and there are cheaters who are winning without any difficulties, that was really unacceptable. Regarding the MIT team, does it count cheating because as far as I know, they've been using math in doing this one, does it count? They were pretty amazing btw.

When those people who had been using math to make up some big wins then its literally not cheating at all but house do consider it to be one as long those kind of ways
to sip out huge money into their platform or business then that one would really be treated to be called a cheating and the rest of the list are basically or obviously
the illegal way on winning things.So it is just right for them to be kicked out on the place since theyve been abusing  to take advantage on the rest.
It isnt really beating but rather on cheating on how to make millions on easiest way.

Even if that is art, but if someone is cheating, that means still cheat. But yes, it will need special skills, and not many people can do those skills. But it is too risky to do that thing because if the owner knows about cheating their system, I am sure the owner will try to catch them and get them to jail. Well, there will be people who still try to cheat the system, but only some people who can succeed to get the casino's money.

You can win a lot of money in casinos it is that the odds surely will not be on your side. Extreme skill and luck will be needed for you to win huge money in a casino without cheating, it is possible but most likely would not happen because it is way harder than we can think of.

I agree to that but we should bear in mind cheating is cheating. Exploiting somethings flaw doesn't make you clean, and there are rules that you agree to before playing so you should as well follow them and never cheat against the casinos.

And how many of them do you think won by skills alone? Or how many of them were allowed by casinos to take their winnings?

Check how many skilled players were banned from playing or their winnings forfeited due to cheating accusations.

Good take. Banned or blacklisted is pretty much the same as an illegal gambler. It's true that you can walk freely but you're not allowed to do what you like which is to play in casinos where the big money is.

I never said cheating right, just said it is also a skill which can't be done by someone like you and me against the secured casino interface.Well Did you ever felt that we are getting cheating by the casinos all the time since house has winning percentage of 90% but when the player has only 10% which is also unfair and can be considered as cheating right?

But Most of them are cheater and did not literally beat the casino because of their skills and Knowledge in game.
 
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I Admire the MIT blackjack team for their dedication ,wondering how many of their students had become a Blackjack experts now?

They are Example that People can Beat the system , By studying and By Giving the best for the good outcome.

For what I have read it's nearly impossible to win over the casino it's either you are very very lucky or you needed to cheat in order to win. Well I've seen some successful gamblers that win a lot but most of them won through lottery and not table games or slot games.

Counting card is actually one of the oldest and easy to spot trick to beat casino, I think also that isn't so common in real life... Very important! counting card in most of cases could provide only an odds advantage and rarely can be a sure win. Casino owner know very well these type of tricks and have several "weapons" to avoid counting card

Yeah Poker is very hard to cheat , Not unless the players are Noob and the opponent has a fast hands that will make them advantageous to this game.
But there are Players that Good at it ,an they have been proven this in tournaments , some of my friends are also best in poker and you can find their skills somewhere in occasions .

It is clear you said:


But never mind. I can accept it, and I can apologize to you if feel what I am saying is not right for you.

I do not think that the casino will cheat the gamblers. Even if they cheat us, we can not do anything because that is their business. If they cheat, we can move to the other website, and I am sure we will find it easily. But so far, I never think about the casino cheat or not because I do not think too far about that. All I want is to playing gambling, that's all.

Even looked at my previous posts where I can't find when I said cheating is right but never mind.

Casinos are not cheating us, they are working based on the structure they made centuries earlier but just look at it deeply gambler has less while house has more chance then is it not fair right.

"counting card" generally only reduces the risk of losing a player (not 100% will win).  This is a strong reason why "bodyguards" are always prepared in every card game by the gambling business owner, the goal is to monitor each player whether anyone uses this trick or not.  usually, when a player is caught using this "counting card" trick, the player will be kicked out and banned from playing in that casino forever..

Considering the era of online casinos nowadays, It is interesting if someone could make this kind of list, but for:
- Multi-account abuser
- Hacker
- Finding exploits, etc.

Anyway, I don't think that card counting is cheating if a person does it by himself.

the casino itself can make those countermeasures about multi-account prob, if their dev is good with their job. online casinos i believe is easier to contain than traditional casinos. but you need to employ a capable dev and know how to block potential attacks to their site. hacking will be prevented if they will allocate their funds to secure their firewall protection. and that will be the challenge, are they going to go beyond the normal security protection?

When making up this kind of business then its just normal that security would really be one of the most important for an owner to focus on because
we are talking big money on here when it comes to house bankroll or capital knowing that hot and cold wallets would get involved.When you do first
launch the website then its just no brainer that it should really be finalized and it would really be bug-free so that these kind of incidents wont really happen.
For comparing the security on online and physical ones then i dont see much of difference yet they do have different genre or form but
having the same input.

To be precise, it's not a trick to beat the casino (as we can't) but it's a strategy that can be an advantage against a dealer.

And I agree with you that strategy is already well-known by casino operators so their respective dealers already know how to deal with it.

Right execution is a must.

I have this certain mindset regarding people who spent an awfully huge amount of time to learn a game and get the best odds to win on it. I feel like they deserve to ein the prizes they got, regardless if the house calls it cheating or not which they will do by the way in the, best of its ability to ensure that they don't lose big amounts, so people shouldn't be kept away from their prizes, because they deserved it one way or a other

We find the gambling scenes on James Bond movies to be more interesting. Someone need to come forward and make movies of these people which will reach good and will be much interesting. We could've never thought of genius people handing together to beat casinos. Thats really a big news to know about gambling god's.

As long as they are following the regular rules of the casinos, I believe they deserve to get their price.
Whatever strategy they come up with, but not to the point of cheating, I think it is not fair for them to be just banned in the casino.
There are really individuals who can devise some methods that will help them in their winnings.
Casino should identify what rules they are violating with and what kind of cheating they are practicing with.

I agree with you Natalim, in poker if you wanted you could cheat. And probably it is the easiest one to devise a more tactful cheating strategy that might work than any other games like dice or slots. At least with poker you can bluff your way through- sometimes. You can't bluff in dice or slots...

Cheating is obviously not advised, and it is risky business as you could get banned across multiple platforms. So unless you're 99.99% sure you can get away, you shouldn't risk it.

As you said, indeed most of them are cheating by finding some loopholes in the casino system. Because nothing in this world has a perfect system
and there will always be gaps. That's what some gamblers say who have beaten casinos through cheating.


In my opinion, the MIT Blackjack Team is the most extraordinary, apart from being very organized in carrying out its actions. Members of them are
indeed people who have excellent academic grades, especially in mathematics. Therefore, after the disbandment of the MIT Blackjack Team, most of
them finally succeeded in real life, because they are basically geniuses. To my knowledge, the MIT Blackjack Team who is now Blackjack experts is
Mike Aponte.

If you are going to cheat casinos make sure that you are not going to be charge or you have cheated with a huge amount of money because you will never get in any casino ever, they all going to ban you for life, you will become notorious in the eyes of bettors they will think you are wise to cheat casinos, but in the eyes pf operators you are a player that they don't want to see in their casinos.

I don't consider winning a jackpot as you now beat a casino.

Winning a jackpot is a lucky one for you and the casino knows there will be a time that someone will manage to achieve it despite their edges and advantages.

Unfortunately, these people on the OP's list are fraud and greedy so while they were able to take lots of money in the casino, there are risks that followed it. They beat the casino as OP mentioned but not a wonderful winning as they didn't enjoy the freedom after winning.

I think I agree with you because winning a jackpot is only work for one or two people in one casino while the other gamblers will lose their money in all gambling games on that casino. In the end, the casino will win all the money, and even if someone won the jackpot, the casino still takes the biggest money from the gamblers. If the casino losses the money on that day, the casino can take the other profit on the other day, because the winner will not always come every day.

From that story, I think I dream to be a winner on winning a jackpot ;D

I want to feel how it looks like winning huge money and withdraw it into my wallet.

It comes into the mind of the gamblers that cheating is the only tool to make us win in gambling. And that also to think that gambling sites and casinos are cheating the same to the players;D. lol

I have sometimes won in gambling but of a sweet winning because I was not in a way fo cheating. You are right, can't be more than happy if you win because you dare to cheat them and in the future, you'll be found guilty and get ashamed, not being proud of ourself?
I don't think such a thing and I just wanted casinos to also will be fair for their players as well.

Not applicable to all players, I guess. Some players are just into winnings disregarding 'true gambling experience'. No matter what method they used, they will just eye on winning every game but we cannot blame them. Money is power and that's what we are fighting for in gambling. At first guilt will cross to your mind if you encountered an easier way to win especially if it is illegal, but the more you experience winning through such method, guilt will eventually fade and be more likely replaced by greed. But who's to blame? Players who do cheat or gambling sites having odds? I'd say platform is also at fault for not being able to determine the 'dirty' way in their platform and players just take advantage of such 'bug'. Indeed a great idea for players and platforms to be fair at the same time.

No, if the only way to beat a casino was through cheating then you may have a point, but there are many players that over the years have beaten the casinos legitimately even in games that you could consider to be pure luck like craps and roulette so I think we should not mix the two, the players that actually beat the casinos are for the most part incredible people with a talent and a determination to create a new strategy to beat the casinos while the rest are cheaters.

For sure those kind of people do exist when they do won big in a casino in a legal or non cheating way but of course it would really be needed some skills and extreme luck.
If you do talk about strategic games inside like poker then this one will really be depending on players or gamblers capability. Manage to beat up a casino in a cheating way?
This one isnt a considerable act or achievement. For those who got caught then its just right for them to face up consequences.No business owner would really
let this thing pass without any of those people would be put up in jail.

Just gamble legitimately and don't try to think about cheating if you are an honest gambler.
The only way that you will I guess think to cheat is because of chasing your losses, the reason for recovering losses and find many ways just to take advantage of the gambling site. For example, using an automated tool, may not directly as a cheat but once you taking advantage of the gambling sites that are considered as cheating. The gambler that said to OP is very genius.

Those who tried to cheat the casinos have the mindset that the casinos are also cheating on them that is why they resort to using cheating, but the casinos are good at catching cheaters, casinos employ CCTV, and they have trained employers to look for players who they think will cheat the system, they know that they will always cheaters and they can lose a lot from these cheaters.

You've made it a fun post or it is true. Those mentioned people and the teams had a big preperation to win against the casino using various tactics. Maybe we weren't able to do it, but when we try to follow the same pattern of gambling as them why can't we make the same win. This means beyond tricks there is also need of luck factor.

I don't know if these people are still playing in the casinos but casinos I'm sure have already noted these people, if I am going to win against casinos I prefer through luck and skill not from cheating, it's like stealing, and people will not fully trust you, because they know that you are capable of cheating, it's not easy to cheat a gambling casinos, so people will think it's second nature to you.

That will only for people who really know how the casino games work, so they can search for the bug and use it for their own benefit. I think the casino will not let the bug because they have an IT team that will search for every problem in their site, and make sure that people do not cheat them and get the money. But if people can win at a casino place, and they don't cheat the casino, that will because of their luck that comes to them in the right time and right place.

Indeed, house are now ready to those who are intending to cheat.

Once the system or the people around the house notice some suspicious act from someone, they'll immidiately freeze or ask you to stand
if you are playing  in a land base casinos, they'll have developed system to detect this kind of cheating activities, making sure that thyey'll prevent anyone to abuse their business,.

No matter how much effort went into building a casino whether it's online or physical there are always some bugs and errors, so even though it's extremely hard to find them it doesn't mean it's impossible to cheat the system and use it in a way that is profitable specifically for you.

99.999% gamblers won't be able to find them though and it needs those very few smart enough people to finds those bugs and come up with a proper strategy to benefit from that in a way that they wouldn't get caught, that's why these casinos are able to make a consistent amount of profit out of their business despite the fact that cheating their system exists, because the chance of people being able to pull something like that and not get caught is very small.

They may not be trusted by a lot of people but the fact that we are now talking about these people that beat the house even though they cheated means that they've done something that is amazing. You said it yourself, it is hard to cheat gambling casinos and that fact that they did it and beat the those is an amazing thing for itself.

I don't think they're inspirational because they've won for cheating and that has negative consequences. We could be charged for that. I guess they did an effective strategy but I guess it wasn't fair that casinos have caught them doing it. It's better to win in casinos fairly than to face charges by cheating.

the number 1 is probably the most interesting among the list and I would have loved to see a documentary of them doing it I've also watched the movie although the movie good I feel like the movie is missing something that a documentary would have. also not in a million years I would consider card counter as cheating. the only reason why it is considered as cheating because casinos can actually lose money if someone used on them.

I am curious how does the chip manipulate the machine? does the chip has a malware of some kind that affect the machine?

@OP I suggest providing sources. some people might flag this as plagiarism

And the people who succeeded in this won't mention this in a topic. They will keep quiet and keeping cheating.

But in this case it can happen but people never think of this as a trap as fraud, the fact that casinos still have a large demand so they will definitely commit any cheating, I know in casino games in movies there is often cheating but it can being a lesson and also a skill then it can be called luck then it's the fact that the casino is still going on great cheating.
But inside I never thought about this there is still fair I do this for fun even at home often play with friends.

This kind of person or gambler who manages to beat the casino through cheating is very unbelievable that I only thought it only works in movies. It is also why all magicians are banned in a casino because they use sleight of hand in their acts that a simple person can't spot a skilled magician's hand using their skills. If all gambler knows about this kind of cheating or how to win a casino, many casinos are bankrupt today.

I believe in the saying that, cheaters never win. They will never win. Because at the end of the day, even though they were able to beat the “house” and its system, they will be caught and will surely take responsibility for their deeds. As much as these mentioned examples may be astonishing for some, cheating will never be a good thing.

On a completely different note, good cheaters can become bug hunters and get paid for disclosing such bugs to casino platforms. There can always be a good and a bad side in things.

Some of them were unbelievable and how sharp minds they must be in order to defeat the system and make a millions from it. Some might just get lucky as they may not be on those list and would not even know if such things had happened, but this guys as formally its being announced are now the target point and rightly because they did cheating in the end to ensure they win. Just wondering they never thought twice about their reputation as the risk always exist of being caught in such cases as you make millions in the end.

depending on where you are, in my country, you will not be in jail for doing something like this...
It may be the state that gets a large tax from gambling businesses that will provide harsh penalties for those who cheat casinos like Macau and Las Vegas.

All the person mentioned in the post were sharp minded, because here luck has a small role compared to the technical skills. I wonder about few persons who aren't allowed to play in casinos, believing that the casino will go bankrupt. Lucky wins are jackpots where the user have no role other than a participation.

Well most of them are either imprisoned if caught or hired by the company they've cheated on depending on the impact they've made. Just as professional hackers and virus makers, most of them are reportedly being hired to help improve the company's security and avoid future hacks.
Yes, that will ruin your reputation if caught and most probably be imprisoned as gambling companies are strict with their policies and doesn't want anyone cheating their game even if it is online. Once they know your identity, there's a high probability that the authorities will soon be knocking on your door.

Hard work and really paying attention for any small possibilities that the house have lapses that they can find to take advanatage of the situations beating or banking decent amount of money from the house.


Luck or really some twist that being used to have a  good edge from the house, sadly that they are really being eyed to protect the business.



They are willing to gamble even their names for the sake of good amount of money to cashout from the house.

You're right about this, this could be the best for bug hunting which we all know to attract handsome rewards. In my local games i usually tried to game the platform but this isn't ethical becasue it help destroy ones reputations built for years.

Like Tommy Carmichael. I happen to watch his documentary years ago and I remember him when I saw this thread. He created a cheating device to manipulate Slot Machine and even sell the device to other players.

Of course, you have to be a cheater to really beat the casino. But eventually, his device made the casino updated their devices this turned out that the bug he discovers made the casino updates thier slot machines.

Here is one of the youtube video about him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHsVPkAmcYo

What at least most of these people do is not cheating. Yes it is against casino rules, since it brings them loss, but is definitely not cheating. They just try to beat the game. And they do it smart.

Are you actually reading on whats been written on op or you cant just understand on what that topic title you had able to read?

Go back to first page and you will find on how these players do beat up or make money on the casinos

-manipulating slots
-deceiving chips replacement
-hand speed switching

This is why its important to read the whole context/post.

Well, I don't know how they manage the cheat those people mentioned by the OP. Once you will cash out in a big amount from the online gambling site, it will require you to pass KYC, perhaps this case will apply to offline gambling but online, I don't think so because most likely owners will monitor all their users and they will detect fraud or abuse. I don't know how does it feel if you will taking advantage of the gambling site, for me, its a conscience that you cheat for the purpose of feeding your greed which is totally wrong.

yeah, but this is also a way that casinos must have to deal with their players fairly otherwise, they must have to cheat against them just to win.
In the part of casinos as well, they will have to ensure that they are prepared for such a case and these cheaters can't be successful with their evil intentions.

But above all, this kind of activity encourages people to cheat and win. A reason why some gamblers got caught into cheating but not the casino itself. They are not smart enough to bet casinos as they are already aware of this kind after learning those cheaters that OP had mentioned.

Yeah, you're right dude. I remembered the movie title was " The God of Gambler " where Chow Yut Fat was the main character if I ma not mistaken. I watched this movies and it was cool actually. But anyway, these master's of gamblers are popular in the world of gambling industry, for sure in all casino, roulette, and more they are banned isn't that right?

I like to watch "The God of Gambler" where I am amazed at Chow Yun Fa's acting. He was calm, cool, and he shows his best acting in that movie, and that is one of his movies that I liked.

I believe that some people who only have skills in blackjack can win the game, and they also have big luck in that game, so that makes them be able to make money from that game. Perhaps, we can find and get their technique to learn the lesson to have their skills, But I think that it will not be easy to master those skills, and we need time before we can have high skills in that game.

They can tell it to the management that they have found a bug instead of exploiting and abusing.

They will be rewarded for that if they are the first to find it out. But the casino can still reward them if it has been caught again.

Actually, that is the better way to do it. At leat your conscience is clear and you may be rewarded with your initiatives to report a bug. Because if you will just abuse it, the end game will be bad. And I don't think you will enjoy for that long as you got your money in not-so-good way.  Better be on the right side, at least you will be happy if the management will compensate your effort.

I don't understand this strategy thing because no matter what strategy you make it will always act against a constant house edge and you are expected to lose no matter how smart you are unless you are cheating like mentioned in the OP. You cannot call them talented if players are able to win against the casino in the long term without cheating, instead I call them incredibly lucky.

Cheating has existed since the casinos and sportsbook are made, there are various methods which players use and exploit bugs and I have seen a few sportsbook cheaters myself so I know a few tricks but the house will recognize such players and ban them forever so not worth trying tricks unless you have a special one.

There is a recent case similar to this but with a tool used to detect imperfections in timing and bias for where the ball will land, it wasnt an exact number just an area of the wheel where it became more probable.   The tool they used to measure the wheel had lasers on it, the group using this were caught using the tool and were not allowed to withdraw their winnings.
  However they sued the casino for the lost winnings and argued in court to measure the wheel with a laser was not manipulation or banned, the court agreed and forced the casino to pay them their winnings.   This took place in London if memory is serving me correctly.

There will be a lot of gamblers that would abuse it though.

Not all of the time, these gamblers would point out the bugs happening in a machine or a gambling site. Most of them would even abuse it and use it until they are satisfied. Let's be honest, we are talking about winning money through gambling. In the past it happened here as my father told me, they just abused the bug and when the owner found it, people just said they didn't know.

I think this normally happens once you get caught. We see that a lot of former tricksters and cheaters become security consultants later in life. It might be a decent way to try and avoid a large prison sentence. I think once you made your money with cheating it's all about keeping that money and being able to enjoy it.

If the casino is being run by a mafia you are in big trouble, no one and you don't mess with a mafia they are hard to deal with, if you are a cheater be sure you are going to pick the right casino to cheat you don't want with a casino run by mafia, many casinos are run or have connection with mafias so they can protect their business from thugs, cheaters and debtors, of course this will not apply to online casinos.

Same applies to the casino because if they leave a loophole in their system while creating the casino they can get raped by the players in no time and there have been special hackers like HufflePuff who were able to rip apart reputed casinos like primedice by using the repeated server seed trick by forcing too many bets on the system.

Exactly my point too and with crypto casinos its even more dangerous because they don't ask for KYC and have instant withdrawals and to make things worst the payments are in bitcoins/crypto which means they cannot even track players once they are able to cheat and run away with money.

If that so, I am sure they will not easily forgive us, and maybe we will die in their hand because we are trying to disturb their business. The casino will have their own security officials, and they can do anything to the cheaters, and I am sure that the police will not try to interfere with that problem because the police will think that is their internal problem. But if that is happening to online casinos, the casino will not let the winner take the money and the casino will block their account.

Yes, they are working smart to think of a way to beat the house. They have the mind to find ways to be able to beat the house and they were successful but their method is just unethical and that's purely cheating. We may have different opinions as you believe it's not cheating but for me, it's considered cheating as they violated rules and used tools and techniques that should not be done in the first place.

The guy that made a special chip that manipulates the slot machines is the most cunning of them together with the guy that made tools to manipulate slot machine. He could have get away with the chip if he did a strategy where he doesn't seem suspicious.

He is smart to use a special chip that can manipulate the machine without anyone knows on the first time, but sooner or later, he will get caught by the casino, and I am sure that he will get something to pay back the casino. But it will not be easy to apply that chips to the machine without anyone knows as, in the casino, the security officer will not let anyone cheat on their place. Perhaps, he can use that chips on some casino, but he will not have a chance to use the other casino chips because the other casino will be very careful from a gambler who wants to cheat them.

Running a business like this always accompanied by risk coming from those cheaters, casino owners are well aware of this possibilities that's why they are very furious watching each gamblers behaviors.

Those guys who able to manifest their cheating activities may be able to comes out clean for the first time but sooner or later they'll be noticed and each securities around the casinoswill keep an eye with them,  the system may be cheat but people who run this business are easily learning things and will look upon it to know if it's fairly done or cheating/manipulating has been  done.

What I am saying is that the man could've got away with it if he planned how to approach the situation, if he acted suspicious like being jumpy or anxious then he will be a sore thumb that could be spotted miles away, maybe if he did some heist type of cheating with that chip, I think that until now, he could have made a living.

Lol, you followed his path and got beaten because there is somethings he is not sharing; which are the vital things he does that led to his winnings. Don't blame him though, when a method (especially in games) is saturated, it becomes hard to win.

There are different point of views to this.Some people consider these cheaters as smarter people than other people so they think it is in their right to keep such money because of this smartness.The other group of people consider this the same as thieves or burglars who should get a hefty penalty for their misbehavior by damaging others in this case the company.

The question is; do this methods really work? You have said it already, there 'might' be things he did not mention, but what if that's already his method and it does not work everytime? Gambling is a complicated thing and basically we cannot call it gambling if the outcome or result could be manipulated by its players. I do believe there are times 'cheating' would work but what if he is just lucky? I'd consider it cheating if the player is winning in every time he is playing because that would be impossible if you will play the game the usual way. And I don't get the point not to win every game if he knows the way because he won't be caught on the other hand.

Many casinos do cheat too , therefore it's only general that people will do negative things here too. At the end of the day we can only be responsible for our actions.
There are some things like card counting which is taken as cheating by many casinos but that how far one should go. Using your brain and mathematics is never something one should be ashamed to try but at the end of the day if someone cheats like these stated above ofcourse they need to have some serious actions taken against them.

It is indeed hard to catch people cheating in an online game but now casinos have become smarter , the ban on VPN have discouraged many people from accessing the casinos from the banned counties that can also be considered illegal.

Please do not follow anyone's path , last thing you need is some problems with the casino and legal authorities. Play for fun and don't play if you cannot afford to loose.

If players are doing things like Arbitrage in sports betting or revealing the server seed somehow those are absolute cases of cheating. But if someone has profited by making some kind of strategies then they are lucky and calling them cheater is a bad idea because they have been lucky and we have to remember that the house edge is so small in most crypto casinos that it is not impossible to actually beat the house edge in long term too.

There have been several instances of players cheating the casino which is also the reason why casinos are now trying to get user KYC done like stake recently announced they will double certain bonuses for their players if they are verified. I know why they are doing that, it is to stop the giveaway abuse while also in case a player cheats they have his identity as well to sue him legally.

It's not only the end game that will be bad but your reputation as a gambler will also be told by that action you'll do. There are generous casinos that are giving a nice rewards for those honest players that have found a bug and reported it immediately once found.

But for abusers, they have no heart.

I do not think that the methods will always really work because I think the result will be different if other people used the same method. If we talk about it "every time", I do not think that will be possible since the casino will not let anyone who uses the "methods" can win their game and take the money. I will consider that his luck works at the right time as to beat the casino will not be an easy job, especially if he cheat the casino.

The special chip trick is great, It shows a great degree of ingenuity to have the idea,
engineer it and make it work.
Unfortunately by using the same tactic he eventually got caught. Ideally using the chips
within 24hrs would have been more rewarding.

You cannot call it Cheating unless they get caught in the act, that's the funny thing as an excuse for cheating. This is a very interesting idea how people outsmarted the casinos in their very own unique way, I wonder if they get imprisoned for cheating or not.

On my side, winning in gambling just because you cheated is not actually a win for me, no challenge at all, I mean yeah it is challenge to not get caught but you get my idea on why it is not challenging at all. But they are a good example that gambling is beatable in a way they won't even notice they are getting cheated on.

The term cheating has taken on a big dimension in recent decades. Several films have also been transferred. Card counting movie "21" was brilliantly crafted and very well executed.
Counting cards was not officially illegal, but casinos were not fond of it. You may wonder if that is cheating. Can cheating be legal too?

Its cheating if you read peoples minds but its not illegal because its supposedly impossible.    I gave the example before of using lasers to measure a roulette wheel, now I've no idea how they did that or used it to gain an advantage and apparently it was new to the casino also.   The court ruled regardless of this idea of cheating, the gambler apparently had not broken contract or good faith or however it might be described.  That is a pretty surprising decision but lasers for that unique point in time were not illegal.   Now I suppose a laser is mentioned in a casino rule book because it became known method.   So it'd be breaking contract law at least to go there.   My example of reading minds even appears silly but they can detect some blunt changes in human thinking via various methods, I've no idea how that could help in a poker game or whatever but I suppose its not impossible though tbh how could it not be cheating.

I remember that movie, such an enjoyable watch that was.
I have been thinking the same, Counting cards was not illegal,
its actually a skill, the counter V's the dealer, who is more skilled?

In the case of the MIT Blackjack Team it was not the Dealers!

Although in the eyes of the Casinos it was "Cheating"

Greed with such easy catch of money those people are capable of doing such acts. If money talks it won't be easy to anyone to deal with this kind of actions, they will fall and continue doing their activities, oce they've got caught that's the only time they'll realized that they've done something that won't let them to walk away that easily.

Cheaters will keep their chances as long as there's possibilities to take over they won't stop and will keep on trying to take advantage of any potentials that will provide them the win.

Victory with greed will be done for whatever sake, so that this opportunity remains. I know there are many ways to do this, especially the gambling they often do in their activities, well maybe we are horrified to see the cheater's behavior but whatever it is they are. So naturally this would be very risky if it was caught it might be put on trial or the assets would be withheld.

What is clear is that in casinos it often happens like that we see in movies isn't that exemplifying so that the con artists will do the trick and their chances are probably quite big if they do it accustomed to it.

cheating cant be legal because its cheating anyway and many have said that card counting was still a form of cheating maybe because the game wasnt meant to be played on its own way which is to play in a random fashion ,

 we know gambling and all gambling games works randomly but with a little exception to some card games because wise card players are thinking of a way on how they can get an advantage playing these games .  i havent watch the movie 21 yet but i think they make the movie to show some values for the gamblers that are planning to the same tricks

When it comes to cheating then it isnt really a rare thing and it would surely exist in all sorts of things here on this world specially on things that do involves money.
There are people who do really think off on making up things that they do took advantage through cheating and when they get caught then that would really be
the end of them specially if they got imprisoned on what they had done.Its just right that they would really be suffering those consequences
they dont manage to beat up casino but rather they do simply cheat out, there's no way on beating up a casino house in the first place.

Im familiar with this because of some movies that I watch with actors playing card games, a technique used by gamblers to cheat and win. If you're not caught you can earn bucks otherwise its a mess. We all want to win and beat the house edge but its better to do it in a right way and not through cheating. Its nice to become well known for being a gambler with working strategy rather than a cheater who is greedy to earn money.

Yes, cheating is an art, and it requires talent and a lot of training and practicing. Isn't it better to apply all that to become skillful in some other field?

The thing with cheating is that once you started, you can't stop doing it at your will. You can't earn money with cheating, and be honest with your girlfriend/wife, friends etc. at the same time. You just can't, and then there are bad consequences. And that's why I wouldn't call cheaters smart, or "great minds". Great minds wouldn't direct their efforts on ruining their own lives.

The MIT Blackjack team shouldn't be considered cheating at all.

Casinos are private properties so pit bosses can tell APs/card counters to back off, but nowhere does it say that it is illegal to use your intelligence and knowledge to gain an advantage at a casino game.

In fact, they shouldn't even be considered gamblers. They play a very carefully calculated strategy to maximise EV and minimise the risk of ruin. It's more of an investment rather than anything else.

I dont know that kind of mindset on where cheating is somewhat a commendable thing of being smart because in other angle of perspective it isnt really ethical on any manner.

They do able to make money but not on the legal way and this is through cheating and when the time that they do play fair then they cant really resist not to cheat up
because these are the thing theyve been get used to.

It isnt an art and someone who do call it an art is just having that dumb mind or understanding of things.

IMO, it can be an art if it has complex techniques to perfectly execute the method of cheating. Those type of cheating are not easy to do, it requires multiple practices and needs a unique talent that not anyone has. You won't notice it easily that they are cheating because it's one of their strategies to lose sometimes unless you found a pattern that can prove that they are cheating.

What I can't call art is if someone found an exploit then abuses it easily with ease.

But that doesn't mean we can win many times with the same technique because if the casino suspicious, they will search for what is wrong with their system, and if they found a bug on the system, they will fix as soon as possible to prevent a gambler can cheat again. Yes, we all want to win, but we hard to get it, and using a cheat way will be advisable because that can make us get in the trouble. As humans, we will try something that we think will work to win the game, and if we can win, we will try again and again. So we should not try to cheat and play as the other gambler who search for the fun things.

When elon musk introduced a dumb ugly truck as the cyber truck with attractive trap ad made his company to be one of the richest world even without the actual product but we still call them as greatest mind but when someone do the same to make the money directly is a cheater! ::)

I disagree lol. It's not a mind game when a player is competing against computer or games where only luck is involved, for example, games like roulette, dice, plinko, keno, these games are totally random and there's no mindtrick we can use. In games where sometimes skill is needed like blackjack, then also we can't use any trick because even though there's some strategy needed, it depends majorly on the luck of the person what cards they get!

Most people mentioned by OP used tricks, devices and cheated to beat the casino. This only shows that it takes that far to really beat a casino. I agree that it really requires a lot of luck for you to be able to win a lot in a casino, but it is very rare to win over a casino without a trick. In some cases casinos review activities within their premises if someone wins too often to assure thay are not being tricked.

This is the point I was making and other made previously, That MIT
blackjack team developed a very sophisticated technique to beat the
casinos, it was definitely a skill.

On this subject has anyone read "Bringing down the house" by Ben Mezrich?
I read it a long time ago and thoroughly enjoyed it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Bringing_Down_the_House_book_cover.png

I like the last 2 gamblers in the list.The two work on how to trick casino using their ability. However, if I were there watching how Richard Marcus was doing then I can probably laugh so hard. He is not smart yes that is true but he has a lot of confidence and that enables him create a strategy like that. In that case I guess he will not going to stay on a single casino and probably he will go around other casino so that he will not get caught easily but still he got caught.

I think I have heard the news in a well-known casino in Asia, where they are cheating the casino together with the banker, they were betting without any money going out, instead, the banker is giving them chips, they were groups in the table, maybe they are doing it in a long time but the bad things is they were caught when an officer of the casino saw the banker giving the guest chips and bets it, they were also monitored in the CCTV for a while then approach by the management and with the guards.

There is, although they've won from sports betting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263144.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263144.0)

Couldn't find the thread about biggest casino winners or my keywords are just wrong, but the contents was long story short. They've found some strategy and manage to win consecutively mostly in poker, some also got lucky through slot and roulette. The key in winning against house edge is they've develop their own strategies to win similar to the MIT blackjack team, its not cheating when the games itself has flaw in my opinion.

Well, there are also casinos that cheat but for the most part casinos do not need to cheat, they already have the house edge to their advantage and for the most part that is all what they need but physical casinos have even more weapons they can use against you, like putting very loud music so it is hard for you to think if you are implementing a strategy like card counting or offering free drinks to those that are winning so they lose whatever edge they may have at the game they are playing.

Here's the thing, these people here didn't juat knew how to cheat on a casino after a feverish night. No, they painstakingly trained themselves and researched on the ups and downs of the business in order to win and to cheat without getting caught. And more often than not, knowing how good casinos are at catching black-footed people, they will most likely get banned. So if you want to be banned in several houses with no hope to ever play in there again, then becoming a gambling pro is your best bet.

Sometimes for them, confidence is what they have.  ;D
But don't think such strategy will be good for long-term.
That's why, he still got caught. Lesson learned, just follow the rules.
At least, you have nothing to worry about even if you hop from one casino to another.
Because you can't truly enjoy the game, if you know that you are doing something fraudulent.
It is like, you are always checking on your shoulder, thus, not really enjoying the moment.

People nowadays uses trick or uses people to do business, atleast they were caught now. Casinos should be more observant now especially that many countries still in lockdown due to Pandemic. They can easily see who is cheating or doing unnecessary moves in able to win. Now that casinos were more in online transactions they can tighten their security physically but also they need to adopt in new technologies to keep their business.

That is a lesson for people who want to use tricks still and cheat the casino. They need to check about CCTV which can be installed on that casino, and I think not just the casino that installs CCTV, but it is installed in the other business. The casino or the security can monitor all gamblers who gamble on their place, whether they gamble or just watch the other gamblers play. In the online casino, I think they have good security officials who always monitor all activity on their site to know what the gamblers do.

Some of the people say if you can't beat the machine, make your own machine. Well, this is part of the gambling which is losing with these different games such as slot machine, card games and etc. But the problem is rules is a rule if you disregard the rules it's your mistake. Some of them want to try their skills and knowledge with gambling because its all compose of power and strategy but the problem is there is a consequence you prove your self you can easily win with the casino but the problem is there is a chance you will risk your self by cheating through this casinos. You cannot escape a casino unless you are james bond. A casino full of CCTV can easily monitor the unexpected and suspicious behavior.

I agree with you that a casino makes their own rules, and will always try to make the best possible situation for themselfs. Security and CCTV operations are a major part of any casino and without it the numbers of cheaters would increase exponentially. With these security system it is not so much about catching cheaters in the act and more about being a detterence in the first place. When you can convince the cheater to stay at home rather than go to your casino you already won. And a small fraction will always slip through the cracks.

Well you really can't beat the casino unless you will be cheating however that's a good option let's just accept the fact that we can't beat the casino well there are people who might be lucky enough but that's very rare case.

Overall I agree with you, but I want to emphasize that not only cheating isn't ethical, but, what is more important, it isn't profitable in the long term. Ethical norms can be flexible since we have people of different cultures around, but nobody, regardless of their background, wants their life to be ruined, and this is what inevitably happens to cheaters sooner or later.

I think only at the movie have any manages to beat the casino through cheating but in the real always have the same on the movie, I think happen if casino not playing with cheating they can't get bigger place and take much profit every year, we know almost gambler loss much money and hard to get win, the same like website gambling never give any chance for any one to win, I think better hold and keep saving money half when success win.

I don't remember that person but there was a man who programmed slots and included secret combination in it that only he know. By following that combination, he won a lot of money. It happened years, years ago.
Btw at the moment situation has changed. They learnt from mistakes, games are built in a way where you can't mathematically beat it, so in the long term, casino is the winner. Also, if you play online, every casino has a team of risk analysts that carefully keep an eye on your gambling behaviour.

So, during the covid pandemic when real life casinos are closed and online ones are seriously developed with good and almost bug free codes, no one would inspire me to gamble and beat the casino.

Yeah! the solid evidence of those people who won from Casino is their numbers there are only a few who won and as you can see there are more people who win in their business than winning in the casinos. If people really blinded by thinking their life would change if they beat it, I guess that is just some imagination because most of those people who won from casino to lottery are tempted to play again after some days of celebration and mostly they lose all their money as soon as they back playing again.

Do you Read the OP? or Just posting with no Meaning at all? Those others that Made a winning does not cheat but uses their Skills and Knowledge , Math is Involved at some way though the majority is cheaters .

But we must realized that we are Humans ang gambling is only created by Humans so at some chances it can be beaten though not in all the time.

That's yet for these guys no more gambling for a while. I expect the consequences among other things would mean banning from not just that casino but others too.

It is interesting, though, how careless they were in their operation...Anyway, it sets a good example to people who want to cheat the system

sounds like an interesting. any article for this? this seems like a big case of fraud of some kind. I'd appreciate if a link to an article is shared.


are you talking about? Ronald Dale Harris? I've checked google for story about slot machine that has been programmed with secret combination and his name came up. Ronald dale harris is a computer programmer and his job was looking for a flaw on the slot machine software system. reading the link of an article below it sounds like he is the guy you are talking about

https://www.gamblingsites.com/info/famous-gamblers/ronald-harris-reid-mcneal/

It indeed requires skills and effort just to beat the casinos and they are blessed to have such great skills and knowledge to execute those cheating methods they have. But no matter how smart they are, that's still cheating and for sure there will be someone smarter than them who can catch them. If a gambler is continuously winning big time, the casino will be suspicious about it and will strictly monitor every action of the gambler, and that's probably how they get caught. But other gamblers on the list still manage to win a huge amount of money even without cheating, they also used their skills and knowledge in a fair manner. Still, it's their choice to cheat so they should face the consequences like not being able to gamble again when caught.

The only legitimate method is through luck and the right mindset but just playing will not give you a lot of wins the other method of course is through cheating but like all the people listed here, they are all caught, publicized, and banned from casinos premises, they can still try their luck on online gambling but they cannot cheat the system, they have to tey other methods.

That person will still try his "secret method" to test if that will work or it needs to modify. If his "secret method" works, he will use it for some time to win and make money. But if the casino suspicious and want to know how he can win many times, the casino will find out, and if the casino knows that person cheat on their place, they will ban and block his account without any chance to withdraw his win money. It is too risky, but some of them still trying to do that thing.

Don't you think most of these guys who tried cheating casino were once casino owners?

There had been several instances were the house just bann then because of IP adress and i think for these cheaters to learn how to do it, they must have learned the back ends of these casino. Its not just having a strategy to cheat the casino but they also learn from the inside.

You cant apply those cheats that you had made on physical casinos into an online one which means to those cheaters who do get used to on point interaction games will really be finding other places
on where they can cheat on but to know that they had been blacklisted or been caught then you would really be a hard time on finding one.
Getting money by off these means is really not ethical and its just normal for casino owners to do those appropriate actions because this is a business
and losing much of money or revenue due to player been cheating would really be a big issue.

I'm also against with cheating and he should face the consequences of being a cheater. It's not a skill that is based on your character so cheating shouldn't be tolerated on different kind of games. Many people have lost their money and some of their futures have been ruined, it's very unfair if you'll fight hsing cheats.

Be fair and square but there are people who do have intent to take advantage via cheating and it is really not a good thing not only in gambling but in all sorts
of things in life.Its never good to take advantage just because you do know on how to cheat up the system.Its true that there are lots who do ruined up their
lives because of gambling but i dont think it would be right for you to mentioned in out because once you do deal with gambling then you are
basically accepting the risk.Beating up casino through cheating isnt counted because it hadnt been gained in a right way.

Good thing with online casino, nobody is above the security when it's not really an explorer. Of course there's few of them who desires to cheat or dig deeper into the system of a gambling casino, because in my perception their firewall is really hard to break. Most probably cheats happened on localized Casino that doesn't use online method but rare cases only found on defective machines.

A funny selection, but I can't say that any of them did something extraordinary. In fact, such scams occur everywhere - in any business where there is cash or electronic means of payment. And personally, in my opinion, the most successful scammers were not caught (this is quite logical) and they should be looked for among those who suddenly became rich "accidentally" by winning at a casino or a bookmaker.

It possible to make huge winning in gambling just through luck but the gambler needs to understand the rules of the game which I believe will help his mindset and understanding the genuine of the game concept.
Let's use Richard Marcus (who is among the gambler who manage to beat the casino) as an example. He lost a lot and sleep under the bridge when he's yet to understand the game rules which hinder him from creating his cheating strategy.

Many people don't realize that their luck will not always come to them every time they play gambling. They are still playing gambling and spend more money just because they want to see they can win with their luck. Instead of controlling their mind not to playing gambling for more, they try to use different methods or cheating strategies because they really want to win. That is a good lesson for us, so we don't have to think much about using the cheat strategy because we know the consequences by using that strategy.

Better to try to take the risk, as one good win do counts when you are developing patterns to cheat out with gambling sites.

like the post above you it's not something that being done in a night of playing, but it's a continuous efforts of finding ways to cheat out and try to win against the house.

There's always a risk where  house facilitator will caught you doing this action,
but cheaters always find the best way to come-out clean and take the slice of house earnings.

Of course he will use that method to win as if this is not gambling talks lol.

Kidding aside mate , casinos now are very Hightech and can detect each method we will perform , yeah we can win in short time but sooner ? they will find out and surely blocked our method or the worst will banned us , they will point issues and we have bnothing to do against them.

I do not know about that because I am not a casino owner. At least, if those people got a ban from the casino, they can find the other way to still playing gambling on that casino. Or they can search for another casino that does not ban them, so they can continue playing gambling. If about getting ban from the casino, most gamblers know how to back to the site, but to cheat the casino, that will be only a few people who will know how to cheat the casino.

Some people will try to take the risk, but for the other, they will not do that because they care with their account. If they still want to test their method, they will try it to find which "method" that will work to win on that game, and maybe they will know how to modify the "method." The worst risk that we can get is banning our IP if they found us cheat their game and system. But I think they will have the other way to still back on that site.

Yes, the casino will not stand idly by seeing cheating happening on their site, and they will search for what is happening and maybe they will investigate the case. But the first thing that the casino will do is block the account of those people, so they can not play gambling while the casino investigate.

Referring to your last line, isn't that the purpose of gambling though? To hit one big win and win instantly and be rich overnight?! I think most of the players who got rich overnight in gambling are the ones who are not scammers lmao. Because scammers in general don't try to win one big, they try to hide their scamming techniques and try to slowly scam profits which will escape the radar instead of winning one big and getting all the attention and scrutiny!

Yeah, cheaters are cheaters and that is not a good thing to be, it is still better to idolize those gamble who became rich with their skills and knowledge in the world of gambling, you can do that without any cheating, just spend your time learning a certain game in gambling that you want to get focused, there are still some game that gives you an advantage if your skills or knowledge about it.

I wouldn't also do that, just cheating because of the money you will earn, that's not a good idea. That's pure greed because of taking advantage of the casino house edge for your own benefits. It is also risky if the gambling site will be caught you, it will surely freeze your fund.

It gives courage to us especially those people who won on the mega lotto jackpot, which is a huge amount, it's pure luck, not skills needed just luck. Rather than these cheaters which is we can consider cancer of the gambling industry.

Yep, that looks much more realistic, imo. But actually I'm wondering are there any casino cheaters today? All stories I can find are old,  the slot machine hack by a Russian team in 2014 being the newest one. It seems to me that some measures have been taken to prevent casino cheating and it has become impossible since 5 years ago or so.

Maybe there are few but it does not affect casinos profitability so much so they don't feel it. Land based casinos nowadays are hard to cheat, they have cameras everywhere and we can tell that they have a very sophisticated securities, they invested big money for that to protect their business and I guess the industry are sharing their secrets to ensure no cheaters will succeed in taking advantage of their business.

On the other hand, there are some cheats online, it's prone like an exchange prone to hack.

Base on my experience of just having a good time with the casino getting curious what is the ambiance want to play around and observe ( I just went to a casino lurking around nothing to do. This happens mostly). When I try to check it out some of the cameras are not too much catchy on the eyes like they are just simple holes in a desk or any part of the building and some of those are a camera.

I just wondering HOW MANY monitors and cameras they are watching in the Security room to observe a suspicious activity of a player.

Also what are the things they do after they caught a cheater on their casino. Is this the same with the movies? Just curious.

I haven't been gone to the Land Based Casino and i have just know from you mate that some cameras were built in some desk or any part of the area which are not visible and couldn't be classified as camera. I am also curious how the cctv room personnel manage to look for any detail of every camera catched. Well maybe there is not only one personnel in there and maybe they have their certain cameras that they are specified to look upon.

I only speculated about the lucky scammers. Of course, most of the people who hit the jackpot are honest players. But this is exactly what makes sense - the easiest way is to hide among honest people, therefore, in my opinion, this method of legalizing money as a big win is very suitable for fraudsters.

But would that be the same reaction of other people?

I know cheating is bad but there are a lot of people that are cheating in order to lift themselves up. We may think that cheating is bad but other people would still use it and continue using it as long as they are earning money. Because at the end of the day, people are still gambling for the sake of earning a lot of money and cheating can give them a huge amount of it.

The cheating thing is very bad gambling for cheating is rich but if you have no idea about the game then it brings danger later on therefore you have to master the gambling techniques by applying your knowledge and intellect it will not require cheating and will easily become rich. There are many gamblers who manage to beat the casino but at the present time the crowd at the casino has decreased a bit. This does not mean that gambling addiction has decreased except for a handful of people everyone's income is now lower than usual as many people as come to play in the casino have been cheated and left the game.

Even you are good at gambling, with a full of knowledge but it can't be enough to make you rich in here. You got millions but actually, you lose millions also before you won the jackpot. If you have the tally of your bets, your gambling losses, it for sure you can notice that.

Some gamblers do cheating because they think that this is a way for them to win. Not exactly they are thinking right but somehow, they got successful. They are knowledgeable enough TBH, that is a reason why they beat the casino. But I don't think if this is still possible in the modern times.

I think right now no have any way for cheating with gambling site but still have ideas if you are playing with your friend and get cheating trick, I am looking maybe some gambling site have bug how to get cheat and always win, right now we always make as income money for gambling site almost every day we give them much money with lost when betting. How come if we get back our money from gambling site and getting their bug on website, last time I got gambling site when betting soccer but not update and have separated time between gambling site and match begin.

I don't think that you could become rich just by applying your knowledge if we will be talking about gambling. I think you can win for some time and if you can manage those winnings well like starting a business and doing well on that, that could be something but still, you didn't beat the casino. You just used or managed your winnings well the reason you are rich.

We can say that we have full knowledge, but if we don't have luck, that will not work. At least, the chance of luck will give us more chances to win. Perhaps, we already see some gamblers who know many techniques of playing gambling, but they don't have luck, then they can't win. And the worst is they are losing their money without a chance to win the money. If you are trying to cheat the casino, that can work for some time, which doesn't always work. If you want to cheat the casino, you don't have to do that too often because they can be aware of that and try to find the cheater.

Very few people successfully managed to invest their winnings from gambling.All the others even the ne who won lotteries just spend the money it get exhausted then they will get back to their day job. You guys heard a most popular story? a sanitory worker won millions in lottery but after few years he came back to the same work when he lost all the money back in the same gambling.

Luck can be on everyone's side, I believe everybody has a chance to be extremely lucky in life. Regarding money though, luck is not enough because risk management and great planning make the difference between rich and poor people. Whenever luck strikes you, say thanks and get your turn back at her or you may end up losing everything!

Yeah, I've heard of that. As far as I know, there is this curse about lottery winners where they mysteriously die or be in this situation that would lose all of the money they've won and just get back to where they started. Still, there are those few that actually managed their money well like someone I knew here in the province.

Is cheating in gambling allowed?

There should be persecuted for cheat and others who have same intentions will learn their lesson. If it continues then he gambling system will be messed up .

Yes, they can have lucky in life, and I believe that they will get lucky many times. But in gambling, I am not sure if they can repeatedly get lucky every time they play gambling. Yes, you are right, when the luck comes, and you can win the money, you need to stop playing gambling because we never know if you can win again in the next round. Before we lose the chance to stop, we need to quit gambling as soon as possible, so we can save the money and withdraw it into our wallet.


Cheating in gambling is not allowed, but some gambler cheats the game to win. Not many people can get lucky while they cheat because that needs something to win. You could get ban by the site if they caught you cheat the game.

No.

But it wouldn't messed up. Casinos have their own way of detecting cheaters through their anti cheat system.

And the people who are on the list broke the traditional games on casino.

Cheating is indeed one of the worst thing in crypto industry whether the player is cheating the casino or it is the other way around.

I don't know how one can beat the casino in the long run because lets be honest we have all gambled and how many of us can say we are in profit? I think none of us are in profit and that is because if you wager 100 dollars then you are expected to lose 1 dollar if the house edge is 1% which is the standard for most crypto casinos. Now there is a healthy chance that you still managed to win but that would be hard to replicate regularly no matter what strategy you use and how smart you are.

There ain't a way of beating the casino without cheating it so some players will always find holes in the casino while others will keep losing and casino will still remain in profits.

There are those people.

These people either needed the money so badly or they just want to earn a lot of money by cheating the syatems of these casinos or gambling sites. It might be true that they can earn a lot of money from it but they could sacrifice their lives and went to life inside bars and if they are not caught, that will live in their conscience as long as they are alive.

If you look objectively at these people there is no big difference between stealing from the casino or the bank. A bank robber also looks for easy money and is willing to do whatever necessary and accepting the consequences. Stealing ATMs became very common in my country, its done at night without violence or guns. No one getting hurt except the insurance companies. Cheating the casino has similar effects and there can also be jail time in the end. Or bring blacklisted from casinos for the rest of your life.

Looking at the OP post, there are only a few people who were able to beat the casino and in that too not all of them were fair. Dennis Nikrasch cheated the casino and there is also some doubt on others too. In normal circumstances, you cannot beat the house.

Sure there are people like that but that kind of person exists in the world with a rating of 1 out of 10 but what about the simple person that doesn't have any absurd luck like that? I am saying is let's say you yourself want to beat the casino but you know deep inside that you don't have that kind of luck in beating the house,

I guess many here in the forum look in this kind of thread because they also want to beat the casino for themselves, even I would want to know the secret behind beating the house edge.

Of course it's not allowed, that's why all those names that OP mentioned exist, because they have been caught cheating.

These people are just a very small percentage of gamblers, and it's not like 5-10% of gamblers can cheat casino systems or something, I'd say it could be around 0.001% or even less percentage of gamblers could be cheating somehow and manage to make stable profit out of it, so it's in no way an easy task that anyone can do specially with these new casinos that have many people assigned to find bugs or errors in the system before they start accepting customers.

I don't think they precisely want to see if they can win with their luck cause this kind of pattern is what it is chasing after lost which have drain alot of gamblers into the mud of gambling addiction.

Some people will always make this manner of mistake despite all the warning about using strategy to win in gambling which will only work for a moment cause gambling site technology is different to the days when the listed name cheated expect if one of the gambling site team leak the game seeds.

If they know they do not have that kind of luck to beat the house, they do not have to try hard to win because the result will not be good for them. But many people are still trying to playing more because they hope that they can win the game to get the money in one round. They dream that they win a lot of money so that they can recover their losses. That person exists, but we do not know how many of them, so we need to know ourselves.

Casinos are neither charities nor not-for-profit foundations, they are businesses. They have implemented all the required risk management best practices to avoid unnecessary risks (especially on the financial side). If people keep playing the majority will end up losing while a small minority of either strategists or lucky guys will enjoy some profit. This is it, really.

By reading the exchanging of ideas and thoughts about these issue, which we have a different and individual opinions about it and we are all in one thought of giving a highlight that cheating is not allowed even in different aspects of our life, cheating is cheating and it is never became a good thing to do but we do also give those gambler who manage to beat casino through cheating a benefit of the doubt because we do understand the possible needs of that person why they did that.

You guys familiar with Phil Ivey?  He’s a poker player but got into a controversy at some casino in Europe for ‘edge sorting’ while playing baccarat.  Won himself a 7m USD clip or something crazy.  Not sure if it’s really ‘cheating’ per se cos he really didn’t do anything.

One of those guys up there who actually made a life out of gambling. To be honest, edge sorting is still argued to be either a cheat or not but for me it is not cheating the same as counting cards on blackjack. He's a great player and I think this is through his skills and he's not actually cheating.

I know Phil Ivey as a poker games legend, who managed to win 10 World Series of Poker titles is a very famous figure in the world of gambling.
I didn't put Phil Ivey's name in the opening post, because I thought that the edge sorting that Phil Ivey often used wasn't cheating. But like you
said, it's still a controversy until now regarding edge sorting, but I think edge sorting is one of the legit gambling techniques. Although several
casinos finally sued Ivey to court for being considered cheating.

I would agree, card counting is not cheating if you are doing it with your mind, not to mention that they are a team. The reason that they hate this card counting players is because blackjack is one of the games that have the lowest house edge. It is within the rights of casinos to kick out this players and they are business establishment after all. The only that this will work is when you are doing your scheme at an irrational or sometimes random pattern, you sometimes lose but you still win more.

Many gamblers don't even think about that because all they want is just to try to recover their loss while also thinking about winning more money. If they can just see the pattern from their games, and they realize how big the money that they already lost, they must stop gambling as soon as possible because that will only waste of money if they continue.

They think that if they can use the strategy, they will have a chance to win in gambling. Some of them will not think that their strategy will work temporarily, even if they try to modify or cheat the system just try to win. The gambling site will always update its system, and the team will search if their system is secure or have a bug.

I have unique way when beginning gambling after raise profit about 10% or 20% I stopped few while then try with other game for betting, not focus only with one game I think look easy for betting site detected with how much profit we got, but today I got my friend jack pot more than 20k$ after playing with wild game betting, he looks more lucky when beginning with this betting game, every time role more than 1k dollar get profit and look he was lucky every game playing.

I remember that story as well, it got a lot of coverage back in the day, however I really think that beating the casinos by cheating can't actually count as beating them there are many gamblers that despite all the restrictions that casinos impose on the players have found a way to beat the casino on their own games, and as you may guess those gamblers become legendary because they show that as long as you are able to look at things creatively you can always find a weakness in a system that is believed to be perfect.

I submitted to what you said but it hard for people that chase after lost to stop gambling because what lead to them chasing after lost in the first in the inability to control their buzz and I think the thing the person need is to learn how to gambling profitable or make use of the "Responsible gambling" section provided by casino like duelbits.

You are right but that silly habit and I have some newbies that created a thread about this kind of strategy and I hope some naive gambler wont believe this again.

Yes, their technology are mathematics base but it operated in an auto update system.

Yes, I agree with what you said because I already have that experience in my beginning knows gambling. The feeling of chasing the losing money in gambling becomes bigger once we know that we are already losing much. At that time, our mind will think about how we will recover the money, but the truth is we only lose more money. But then I learn that it is unnecessary to recover the losing money because that is the consequence that we should accept when we are playing gambling.

Hahaha, I am laughing when you say it is a silly habit, but that is true. In the early time, we will not think much about that because we only want to feel the winning, and we try hard to win, but we lose more money without realizing it.

That is what I am worried about if a gambler doesn't realize about the auto-update system because they will never stop gambling, even for only a take a break for a while.

We are human who has a passion for getting what we want without thinking much the consequences behind that.

Exactly, attacking the system that owners and developers thinks that already strong enough to continue business is what those cheaters loves to penetrate, same thinking with hackers, this gamblers will always find ways to take advantage of any lapses or any open opportunities to cheat in any types of games that they can take.

Though system continuously updating this cheaters will keep finding even a minute or a seconds that they can have to use their hacks and enjoy whatever amount that they can takeaway from the business, risking both accounts and deposited money for when that they'll able to comes out clean.

I respect your strength because what you just said have led to mental issue in some people and to be honest every gamblers indirectly chase after lost because is practically a game of chance with the winning edge of 1%, why gamble with the amount cant easily overlook?

I dont see any reason for anyone to try hard to win online gambling when the chance of winning is always 1%. I am gambler but I gamble occasionally and I havent gamble this year.


Apparently, there's no reason for a gambler to stop gambling if he can control his buzz and accept to lose the fund he's using to gamble with his other financial activities not affect.

Actually, people know if they have a mental issue because of gambling, but they are trying to deny it and consider it does not exist. It is normal to chase after losing as we don't want to get lost, in anything not just in gambling. But we need to consider and knowing how big percentage to win for us, and we can gamble with some amount without trying to chase the win money.

We can enjoy gambling without thinking about how big the chance of winning because we don't search for winning. We know that gamble is about luck, and we don't have to gamble too often as we gamble to have fun and enjoy the game. I haven't gamble this year as I see bitcoin and altcoin increase, and I want to make more profit this year.

We hope that this year, we can control ourselves in gambling, so we don't need to use more money to continue playing gambling. And if we lose in gambling, we should accept it and stop for a while to reduce the tension. As the crypto market now rises so high, it is better to prepare that to be sold at a high price, and we can get more money to our bank.

I think there is a huge difference.

These people are cheating the casino and these people around them didn't know that while those people robbing the bank are so obvious since they will be forcing their way through to get that money. Cheating and robbing are different from each other in terms of these situations. Someone can get hurt and be killed during a robbery, in cheating, there is a low chance of that happening.

You make a good point but some people don't know they have mental issues through gambling if they know they would have sought for help before it turns into something enormous like losing their marriage but as you have said every gambler needs to consider winning possibility in every game.

I don't think we enjoy gambling without thinking about the chance of winning to be 1% cause 95% of all gamblers are actually after the reward involved.

But in general sense it is just the same, they do only differ in actions made but in overall concept or situation then stealing someones money is a crime and both things are on that criteria.
They didnt really able to beat up the casino in legal way but on the way of cheating which is unforgivable and its just right for them to be fined and charged up some cases with the things that they had done.
Beating up by only means  of legal way would be considered amazing by thru means of cheating then it doesnt really give out that kind of impression because this is really as good as stealing
and stealing is bad on any angle. Once you get caught then expect on what would be the next thing to happen.

What you say is right. That is why we see many people's lives ruin in their real lives, and if they don't see it because of playing gambling, they will hard to fix their problems. Their life ruins, and soon their family will ruin too. The gambling effect will be too bigger to imagine. We need to consider the effect of our lives, so we don't ruin our lives.

I guess you right. Most gamblers chase the winning, even if they know their chance will not be bigger or less than 5%, because they want to test their luck and want to try to win the money. Sooner or later, they will realize losing money, but some of them will still play gambling and chase more winning.

Don't get me wrong though.

Both stealing and cheating are a crime and yeah they are the same at that point but pointing out cheating the casino and stealing the bank has a huge difference. But yeah, they are both crime and crime is really punishable by law. But I should add here, as stealing the bank is a bold move as cheating the casino won't be that easy to notice.

Comparatively right! beating up casino in a clean way was amazing it's not usual and very hard and mostly purely luckbehind, 
while doing it with hack or any cheating activities is not fair.

The house have the right protecting their business to any potential hackers and cheaters, They got all the posible means tracking down and freezing any illegal activites once being detected.

Play it right and move away cleanly without any issue or doing it illegally and take all the consequences after.

I agree the difference is huge, there is no doubt in my mind that those that are cheating the casino are in fact stealing from them and we can call them thieves but the fact that they are not using any kind of violence makes a big difference, which is why when it comes to the law there is a big difference in the kind of punishment that you can get depending on whether or not they use violence, so while I can understand where the comparison comes from at the same time it's not really accurate.

In fact, the issue of cheating is not so simple and the same actions by different parties to the transaction are considered differently by this parties. For example, the casino believes that any use of casino errors (in the code or the physical execution of the slot machine) is cheating, while the player believes that the use of errors is normal, since the responsibility for their occurrence lies with the casino.

I think cheating as we see it in movies is out since several years ago (I'd be more than happy to read an evidence that I'm wrong). So,  the cctv room personnel  is watching for drunk troublemakers, pickpockets and stuff like that, rather than for cheaters à la Matt Damon/Edward Norton in Rounders.

One way it can be called as cheating. By the time we must think of the study they've made in making the impossible possible. It isn't an easy task to study the possible chances and succeed in it. Working as a team had made them achieve. With casinos, cheats and tricks were followed but that doesn't assure consecutive wins. What these people have achieved is big. I truly appreciate the way they've made millions.

Never underestimate cheaters and scammers, this is true in this market and in any other activity, have you ever seen a magician perform a magic trick right in front of you and not know how he did what he did? Even with all the cameras in the world there are cheaters that can get away with it, for example a common way for cheaters to cheat at the roulette is to make a small bet on the roulette and if they happen to win they replace the bottom chip of the stack with one of a very high value, then when it is the turn for the croupier to pay and they pay with low value chips they make him notice about that high value chip at the bottom of the stack and he has to pay the cheater, you may think this is easy to see but even with cameras all over the place it is difficult to get an angle to see how the cheater exchanged the chip and they have to pay him.

Impressive study either. Cheating is bad but what they did is just to help casinos to give warn and make them aware of their strategy, security, and possibility on the system they use. They should be thankful to these cheaters as well.

This will be for a good reason and I don't think it is totally bad. Many had tried to cheat but only a few of them succeed, that is how those people had mentioned by the OP are gifted. But as technology improves, this kind of work will possibly not win, they will surely be caught in the act. Better not to do it this time, otherwise you will end up in jail.

Perhaps, it can be the way for the casino to know that their security doesn't always secure, and they always need to update their site and search for the bug. It is not easy to manage the site 24/7 because the casino team needs to awake and watch the place to find the bug.

The casino can make a contest to find the bug on their games to help the gambler search for the bug, and at least, they don't be the judge as a cheater because the casino asks their help to find the bug. That can improve the casino's reputation because they use people's help to see what needs to improve in their place, and they can reward the gambler by helping the casino.

I get your point, it is called sleight-of-hand cheating, but it's impossible to do in today's reality. According to the current rules, players must keep their hands away from the layout after the words "No more bets" were pronounced by the croupier. You don't even need a human behind a monitor to say whether someone was reaching over the table or not. It can be done automatically, and even if croupier didn't notice it, he/she would be notified of the violation immediately.

This story inspires me. It takes a lot of guts to pull it off. I wonder how it turned out for the students their techniques. Did such skill work for them also? Or did the casinos get smarter? Anyways it feels good to know the house doesn't always win  ;D

This happens and came to be because they saw gambling as an opportunity to create profit, and not to be something to relieve stress from and basically relax. Not saying that what they're doing is wrong since at the end of the day the house also cheats on you so it's either you or them. But if you could invest time and effort doing this and learning so much information about the game you'll be abusing, why don't we spend more time doing what we really love and use gambling as a sideline eh? Nothing too out of the ordinary at least for these students, they basically just counted the cards because they knew the house will always cheat on them and created a pattern that will allow them to win.

This method had been already busted up so its just normal that most or all of physical casinos now are much aware on the probability about switching up something or approaching to the table.

This wont really be working as of todays era, for those old days then it might able to push on or someone do able to perform it out and able to cheat but now it isn't already possible.

Just like on what you had mentioned, we are on a hi-tech era and making such moves will really be obvious and also setting out new rules like on not to go near when bets are on final

They've able to find the tweak and enjoy the benefits before they've been caught by the casino owners. It's cheating as most of them played illegally or use something that not allowed from the house.

Most of those who facilitated the tweaks before being caught able to cash out huge amount of winnings, but because of greed thinking that they are freely to do it again and again, suspicions starts to come from the people behind the business, knowing that casinos are designed to generate profits and not to become a feeding venue for cheaters.

Cheating is cheating, regardless of its form and reason for doing it. I am not saying that it is right to do it for the first time, but they could at least regret it and refrain from doing it again, and maybe that could make it less of crime. But, as you have said that when cheaters went greedy enough to do it over and over again, that is on another level of cheating and crime indeed.

Correct just as you've said cheating is cheating and no matter how small you've thru doesn't justify what you've done. If you've been caught early while cheating then you can't reason it out that you only have started, it doesn't work that way. No matter how much you've gain and profited by your cheats will not make it less of a crime. There is no such thing a less of crime when cheating casinos, you'll end up in jail even if just a penny that you've gain if you are proven to be cheater.
Better to avoid cheating and be honest or cheat and hope that you never get caught or spend time in jail.

What I still wonder to what extent something falls under the term cheating. Cheating is different than breaking the rules.

when a person earns money by doing it, there will be no regrets happening until they get caught. they will instead enjoy the money they got and have a party. there are even cheaters who will influence more gamblers to do the same by teaching how to cheat. put them behind bars and that's the time they regret doing it after losing years of their lives in a cell.


there are rules just like any other game. but most of all when it doesn't feel right, it falls under cheating.

Yeah, I agree with you, no matter what is the reason and your purpose of doing it, once you bypass the platform, it's forbidden and against the TOS. So we should refrain from using cheats from any gambling platforms because they might ban and can no longer enjoy the benefits you've gained in the platform. Even if you do it just because you're curious, it's still wrong and not tolerable.

I am glad we’re on the same page. Many cheaters are up for justifying their deeds, and many of the cheaters use poverty and their financial crisis as alibi for cheating. But honestly, nothing could really justify for it, yes it may sound like it calls for humility and equity but in reality in doesn’t. We cannot really help and be of help to others if we tolerate cheating.

Correct! there's nothing that you can do once you've been caught, whatever reasons or alibis cheating is cheating.

You needed to face it to the point of losing everything that still have inside the house / platforms that you are using, the owners have the rights to freeze or compiscate your balance since you are breaking the TOS, there's no justifications since you are dealing with illegal activities taking advantage from the house.

Better to play the right way and hope that luck will permits you to win.  ;)

In fact, if a person is in a consistently bad situation, then cheating is quite logical (I do not make excuses for such people). But in fact, most cheaters are either just lazy people who do not like to work or adrenaline addicts who engage in criminal activities (I mean serious cheating) not only for money but also for entertainment.

Cheating doesn't always brings good results but also brings bad consequences and I don't want to get that consequences instead i'll gamble without cheating. Some people may cheat for a reason but it's not a good choice to cheat just because you are doing it for a good cause. Gambling is for entertainment and to try their luck to earn huge amount of money or lose huge money overall.

People always believe that gambling is one of the best ways to earn and makes profit. And always people thinks thay whenever they played gambling is that their earnings is guaranteed. And that's lead them to their greediness when their experience losing rather than earning. That attitude will lead them to plau gambling with cheating. But not all gambling sites or game may be cheated because of the reputations. Cheating isn't always the answer. Before you play gambling, you must be aware that there are 50/50 chance of winnings and be sure to play fair game just like what others did.

I think they're similar.

If you fell into breaking the rules of a game, then that's considered cheating. Well, it depends upon to the situation and what the casino sees. But most likely, if someone breaks the rule for their own benefit and with the abuse of the casino, that's cheating.

Looks easy when betting on soccer then give us bigger odds just waiting when match ended and we know how much profit earn from soccer betting, but never like expectation because have match get wrong prediction. But sure best and easy way how to earn money in gambling site just happening when you choose correct team for betting. Maybe you know how many people still lucky always when choose their team football for betting, I never get lucky any time because always have match with wrong prediction.

Well there have some people who thinks that gambling was one of the sensible idea of earning a profit nowadays which of course due to pandemic that brought a huge percentage of non employment this past year. Which i guess doesn't bad if people would try to online gambling that wouldn't compromise their health and if ever they have an idea about gambling, also seeking for a legit online gambling. But in some aspects, cheating in gambling really happens and some of the gamblers made a huge profit from it, which i guess i couldn't question why they do that but for me cheating is cheating, and it is never become good even you have a noble reason behind it.

You got me with the “lazy people” and I agree with you. Personally, I know a few who resorted to cheating, and it is because by doing so, they do not have to go the rough road but would be able to have a good outcome “instantly.” And I think that is being lazy for choosing to do something irrational knowing that you had to go through the rough first before being successful.

I stop when get profit from gambling because have try many time if keep going on to betting all my fund loss, so better left and close all gambling site than withdraw fund before take back by gambling. Many people when reach much profit keep going on for gambling because they think can get much profit again, but when all in least profit earn before loss and have looking money again for deposit. Better manage with your profit maybe half to withdraw and half to use betting again if you can't stop for gambling.

I don't know how that inspired you since they are cheating. I don't know if you want to cheat to beat the casino or you just want to beat the casino. With the system that we have now, that is not a skill, that is cheating. Obviously, the casino banned these because it is cheating, I don't think they would be allowing that for so long unless someone knows something and kept it for himself.

There are those who don't have such mindset like yours, they will continue with their gambling even when the luck doesn't be with them. It's better to always be mindful of what we spend on gambling casino becasue lack of control won't bring something good into a gambler's life if he or she continue with gambling. Personally, whenever i gamble and come up with some good winnings then i will opted out immediately.

Good priorities if you have such kind of plans, if you already have something better to quit and enjoy, most of those who continue chasing more luck suffered from losing their entire bankroll.

It doesn't matter how big you win what is important is you have something that you win out of luck or any legal strategy
that leads you to win over the house.

Cheating won't last so better to take some earnings out of your well manage bankroll and luck
while playing your games.

It is not only about inspiration and it is mathematically impossible to beat the casino in the long term. Cheaters are cheaters and they have been banned to enter casino buildings, the houses never like winners no matter gamblers win with legit or illegal methods. Of course, the bribery facts will lead to other heartbreaking consequences if the mafia controls the whole administration of the casino.

Not everyone has the same luck, some slots can go badly for a long time. In this case, the loss is inevitable and the red trading will go longer than your casino balance will handle. Until the big hit, the cold slots can take up to 4000 spins, RTP can stay dead for hours. Anyway, you will get bust if this ever happens and you opt-out from that unlucky slot.

I think the reason that he/she was inspired is because of the courage to pull off such an act, I do admire courage no matter how legal it is, I give them the slack. Obviously they are cheating and it is an unfair practice against other player, but don't you think that casinos should get a taste of their own medicine from time to time? They do some form of cheating too, they just call it a house edge and gambling.

Any form of cheating couldn't justify the means. They might succeed yet there are still consequences. It's better to play fair and have peace of mind than to win or even beat the casino but has to face charges that could also ruin your reputation. I don't think they deserve admiration. We all want fair play and casinos also deserve that. We don't know the possible consequences that we might face in the future if we'll cheat today.

If you are openly declaring the rules of the game(terms and conditions) beforehand, this is not cheating. Players can examine them, and decide whether they want to play on the site. No pitfalls will be left for someone who read the ToS carefully(talking about honest gambling sites here, of course). Cheaters do not disclose their methods beforehand, and that's the difference. There's nothing to admire in their actions. Cheating is bad.

But what you're saying is off from the topic which is about those gamblers who have won against the casino through cheating.

It's not about our profit as we gamble and taking it out before they take it back.

If many gamblers can stop when they get profit, I am sure they can enjoy their win money, and they will not face another loss. Withdrawing the win money will be important because that is how we can enjoy the money.

No guts have been doing in this matter because they are cheating, and they win because of a cheat. You can imagine how if you are the owner, and you found that gamblers cheat on your place. I am sure you will become mad and find out how they can cheat you, and you will prohibit that gambler from coming back and cheating again.

These should be the mindset that was a nature in human being but there are also some reason why people have turned out into these. We all know any form of cheating couldn't justify the means and even in any cause or even in any reason it wouldn't give you a peace of mind and sleep sound however there are also some gamblers which in need of money and luckily they have succeeded in their motive. Whatever their reason behind it we couldn't question their decision.

They have skills why they did not use to the right thing and for sure they will earn millions of dollars to their work or build their own business. People do cheating and they know the consequences once they caught they will go to prison or they torture for sure. They waste their lives by cheating yes they become instant millionaire by cheating but it is not the answer and doing bad is very wrong thing and the karma will soon happen them. I believe there is a lot of cheaters more in the gambling are not see because they are very smart to hide it but there is no secret does not reveal.

Sometimes in gambling many people don't care about if you cheat but your winings.
It's only when people start making mentions of how strange it is for the person to win that you will see the traces of cheating.
Aside from that, less people actually again. Though casinos owners are always watchful.

That's just cheating with extra steps, the problem with our notion of cheating is that it has to be illegal, if you know how the system works or you created the system, you can find or create some loopholes that will not be a problem for you if it ever comes to that. ToS is a pitfall, if you do not accept it then you can't play at their website. I know that cheating is bad but give credit where credit is due.

It is a business and they need to take care of their business to make it continuous running. Although we as gamblers knew it that they're all for the win and what they are giving us is only chances of winning yet we're still going back to them and play until we make it or break it.
But it's more convenient to gamble online now and with the provably fair and having game providers made it easier for them to secure that there will be no one who can cheat them.

they can take care of thier business even if they are away but they can pay for the expense online and they can hire people that can watch for thier business but there are owners that choose to not hire people but they manage the business on their own . i think 777 coin and bitvest has run by less people , this is why the payments are delayed sometimes . casinos do give out bonuses that you can withdraw but that is if your a loyal costumer .game providers is not for anti cheating but it can make the life of the casino owners easier because they dont need to think of creating games

With all of the things I saw about casinos in the media and hollywood, and of course from my own personal experience. I would say that casino's are almost to the point of being paranoid when it comes to gamblers doing crazy stuff to earn money. I mean we are talking about big prizes here and not just some petty change. Cameras all over the place, heck maybe even the employees might have body cams to monitor facial expressions of the gamblers. If you win then make sure you don't sport any facial expressions suggestive of a confident win. They will do great lengths to place all the needed security.

People will try to cheat the game because they want to get a win on that game. But unfortunately, not all gamblers can succeed in cheating the system and get the win money, but many of them are busted by the casino and the casino kick them all out from the casino place. But the casino will always monitor their place and always trying to investigate something that looks strange, so they can prevent the cheater from stealing their money. If someone can win from the casino by cheating, they will be lucky because not many gamblers can do that.

If you are getting lots of wins then the others expect someone is watching you from the dark. That's what happens to me when I successfully manage to find some bugs in the online game and I can do some task which is done for about a month and I can only do it for 3-5 days. I found myself investigated by the admin himself and finally kick me out of that game, I was banned forever. That's on the game, what more if you are getting some straight wins from casino without losing? You need to stay low no matter how many tricks you know. You just need to keep it to yourself.

Not all people think of making loopholes when creating a system, I can assure you in that. :) Since we are on this forum, Satoshi Nakamoto would be a good example. But, actually, there are many others, who wouldn't cheat even if they knew they could get away with it. Also, there are such things as open-source software and provably fair algorithm, which make creating those loopholes impossible.


Not going to judge you for that, because I was like you when I was younger. It's only with age I have learned that cheaters are scumbags that deserve no credit at all.

No, those casinos are not run by lightlord alone. If you'll check bitvest, you can turn the page to the bitvest family and you'll see how many staff that they have.
It's a combination of other staff in different ranks. You've given a wrong example.

I guess that is human nature, everyone likes to push the limits.
Cheating is bad bit some people just can't resist trying to find the easy way to make money even if that includes activities that are not allowed. I'm not judging anyone but if you choose that way you have to be aware how much you risk and what are the consequences. To stay low it's not the solution because eventually you will get caught, sooner or later you will get carried away and lose control and like you said you might get banned forever or lose great deal of money that will exceed everything that you earned with cheating. Do, it's not worth it, to my opinion.

The thing with gambling addiction is, unless and until you use 100% of the profit that you earnt, you can't really say you won something, because even if you keep half for gambling and half for withdrawal, when you lose the half you saved for gambling, automatically you will deposit the other half as well. That's why what I do is use the profit totally and then wait for any future earnings to gamble again so that the profit I got from the current session doesn't lead me to more losses than the actual profit.

That is what happens to us if we can do something that other people need longer to get. Other people or even the admin will check us and investigate if we do something suspicious or not, and they can ban us forever without any notice. It is normal to see other people who do not like what we found because they can not find what we did. If we can get some straight win from the games, that will make the alarm on the casino ring and investigate our account. So if we can win, maybe we need to take a break for a while and withdraw the money.

First off, if you win, even if you win big, a legitimate casino will allow you to withdraw the money. You don't need to wait or anything. Secondly, if you are capable of finding bugs, it means you are a good coder and you can make good money as such. Also, you can report the bugs and be rewarded by casino for that. It's a pity that sometimes talented people opt for illegal activity, while they can earn good money legally.

I think if wanna get bug better keep playing by your self without have to report bug on the system, you have try to get much from casino betting because every time they take much money from their member so why not to get back your money when getting bug although if you report will reward by them, but you can get more money than reward if you get bug on betting site.

Safer way to avoid losing everything, just in any case addiction really uncontrollable, not even you already have a good set of plans
once things busted you up chances to play more is much higher.

Good thing that you already understand that and instead of keeping your money as saving, by using it will manage you to enjoy your
profits, whatever happened you already enjoy the money from this activities.

People are different and this wont really be ethical on any angle since this is an act of abusing that exploit and this would be also considered as stealing.
Not all people would really be that greedy on to take advantage with that but somehow majority will really be abusing this opportunity but the question is,
wouldnt be they able to get caught or do raise up some red flag by the casino itself? for sure withdrawals would be hold up.

It's against on them and considered as cheating. Of course they're getting on us users because we are gamblers, looking for entertainment and they're businessmen who earns profit through gambling. I also want money, it's an opportunity to earn but prolly, they will notice it sooner or later and all of your efforts will be put into waste, once they've found out you're using cheats. Some sites also have benefits, how would you earn those if you're already violating the agreement if you're using the platform.

Because if you can find the bugs in the casino, you can use it for your own benefit, and the money will be bigger than what the casino can give to you. That is why people try to search for the bug, and even if the casino makes competition for them to find if the casino has a bug or not, they will not have a big interest because I think they already know the bugs before and use it for themselves.

It is why we should play on the legitimate casino and do not try to break their rules so that we can withdraw the money anytime we want, in small money or big money.

True, there was a thread here about someone exploiting a bug on one of the casinos that were here, and then he legitimately won a big one by using the money won from the bug exploit. He was flagged, and now it's quite a pain in the ass to determine if the casino would let him keep his winnings since he won it legally, but the money won was illegally obtained. Afaik, the casino compromised but still you get my point, exploiting bugs are in the end would only let you end up in quite a lot of pickle. Not really something I'd recommend for people to do. Heck, you can actually just ask the casino to compensate you for finding bugs, I'd reckon they'd be quite happy with doing so, and if not, well you can just publicly sell it. The casino would be in hell for quite some time due to that.

Indeed, if I we're on that position I'd  do the same besides the company's  bounty isn't  that big compared to what you can get by using those bugs and that would surely give you most benefit especially if you were able to withdraw most of the money that you've  gathered.
But being caught is another thing, so I think 🤔  a uaer should be thinkin quite ahead, so yeah playing on a Legitimate Casino is rather a good choice than making a gamble with the new ones.

Approximately the same words are being used by thieves all the time to justify their actions. I understand that you are not one of them, and you are just theorizing after watching too many bad movies. But trust me, they are bad movies, and people end up badly due to their influence. Normally, I would say "Do whatever you want, I don't care.", but this time I feel like I should warn you against taking the wrong road.



Exactly.

If you can find bugs it doesn't necessarily mean, that you're a good coder, sometimes all it takes to expose a bug - is playing long enough, so that you'll be able to see certain patterns and for that, you only need some observance skills. Also, where's the guarantee that the casino will reward you? They might as well reward you with a simple "thank you"  :D

And can you consider using your knowledge of bugs as cheating? I could draw an analogy, that making money out of bugs is the same as picking up money that's lying on the ground. Someone dropping the money can be seen as a bug, and you picking it up is basically like making money out of bugs. On the one hand, it's not a good thing to do, but on the other hand..you know that it's either you take, or someone else, so why not use the opportunity?
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying that anyone should do so, in fact, I consider this kind of behavior wrong, so I never pick up money in such cases. Just saying it's the same thing, so from this point of view, most people are probably cheaters when it comes to real life  ;D

If you are a type of person who doesnt consider or doesnt have that kind of conscience then you wouldnt really be bothered at all and would go to abuse
it as much as you could but as mentioned the only problem if you would able to withdraw those winnings unless if you do make some small wins on stagger basis
and make some deposits and milking them out then you might succeed but this wont really last forever.