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January 05, 2021, 05:56:10 PM
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Yeah, they mostly beat the casinos but with a cheat. I thought that it's like having a genius strategy that they were able to beat the casino.

I remember a series that there's a device that the character was able to manipulate the results of the slots, I think that was with the Prison Break episode and with the trivia from OP, I didn't thought that it happened in real life.

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January 05, 2021, 06:05:25 PM
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Great to see that at least by Chances Casino Houses has been beaten ,because whole of their career ,they are the one whos Bagging Money from Players.

So taking this amount won't really hurt them either from legal or illegal ways.

Those people mentioned are really great in their respected careers.

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January 05, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
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These are mostly cheaters who have gone out of the conventional playing method to make quick money. So there is nothing to applaud about! Gambling, especially the land based casinos are mainly created as an adult entertainment where people will come to relax and enjoy an evening with few glasses of chilled beer! That's not really a way of making money!

Because casinos are business entities and not charitable organizations so they will also have to maintain a property and pay salaries to their staffs! If everyone starts winning, then the casino will have to file for bankruptcy!
Agreed, the only legitimate example of a group of gamblers beating the casino is the MIT team, everyone else is just a cheater, which surprises me because there have been many gamblers over the years that did so legitimately by finding new strategies, one of them is Edward Thorp he is the creator of card counting which is a strategy that gives advantage to the player when certain conditions are met and it should not surprise anyone he also found a way to profit from the stock market and made a fortune that way.
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January 05, 2021, 06:33:38 PM
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Well, Beating the Casino is literally cheating the casino and I think when a person keeps on winning at something the Casino's will be alarm at this and investigate that person if there is something suspicious about him/her, And yes this is punishable by law if there is proof that they really did it,

I guess if you can not beat the system in an honest to goodness way then don't play casino gambling because there is no such thing that a player would win without anything suspicious behind it, although there is really a person that has 100% luck.
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January 05, 2021, 08:07:18 PM
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It was and always will be a goal for a lot of people to win the house, but casinos are so sophisticated now..that it is almost impossible for regular people to win the casino. ( I know the card counters are registered on a database that are shared between the different casinos in Vegas)

People have also created multiple accounts with the same seed and successfully predicted the possible outcome of a bet in a split second for the other accounts... but it was quickly flagged, because the cheater got greedy and several wins in a row... caught the attention of the support team. (This is why withdrawals are monitored and checked)  Wink

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January 05, 2021, 08:36:24 PM
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Pelayos' brothers also beat the casinos. They took advantage of the casinos' wheels because most of them had tiny physical defects. So some numbers were coming more frequently than others. They started keeping track of those numbers and betting accordingly. They made a lot of money but nowadays casinos make sure that their wheels have no physical imperfections.

You can see their story here:

Los Pelayos Beat The Wheel.

Thank you for providing information regarding the Pelayos brothers, I tried reading from the link you gave and also looking for myself related to
Pelayos brothers. It's also quite interesting the way they beat casinos, it turns out that they are quite famous in the casino world because they
have won hundreds of thousands of dollars at the Roulette table in several countries. And it turns out that the film Winning Streak (2012) was
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January 05, 2021, 09:12:27 PM
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Yeah, they mostly beat the casinos but with a cheat. I thought that it's like having a genius strategy that they were able to beat the casino.

I remember a series that there's a device that the character was able to manipulate the results of the slots, I think that was with the Prison Break episode and with the trivia from OP, I didn't thought that it happened in real life.

Unfortunately, I don't think there are some legitimate methods to beat the casino, usually such gamblers use fraud methods. As far as I know no one hasn't made it with honest way and luck so it's not good to keep people in belief that is possible.

Most are cheaters indeed, casinos was design to have the advantage but sometimes there's
lucky gamblers who are able to get something huge out from the gambling house.

But in terms of consistent and honest playing, it will be more difficult to beat the house. You need to have lots of experienced and good
emotional control to take your chances.

You can  inspired by allowing yourself to find the right ways to  set a good strategy
to continuously have the edge to win little by little.

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You can change the title to something like gamblers who managed to beat casinos through cheating, majority or almost all of them won because they are cheating the system, I wonder who among them are charged, fined or gone to prison because of their cheating, there is one article among gamblers who beat the casino in a fair manner, but these personalities are something, they honed their skills to cheat the casinos, unfortunately, you cannot get away all the time.

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January 05, 2021, 11:52:56 PM
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You can change the title to something like gamblers who managed to beat casinos through cheating, majority or almost all of them won because they are cheating the system, I wonder who among them are charged, fined or gone to prison because of their cheating, there is one article among gamblers who beat the casino in a fair manner, but these personalities are something, they honed their skills to cheat the casinos, unfortunately, you cannot get away all the time.
Correct! its a bit misleading and i thought that they legitimately beat up the casino on legal way but on reading up all of them do make use of fraud or illegal way of playing.
Yes, they had earned money but not with sheer luck but rather cheating.Its just right that they should really be banned nor get prisoned on the actions that they had made.
There's no way for you to beat up the casino and we know that casinos wont really be allowing to those people who do sip out money on them.
Once you get caught then you do know on what would happen.

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January 05, 2021, 11:53:15 PM
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You can change the title to something like gamblers who managed to beat casinos through cheating, majority or almost all of them won because they are cheating the system, I wonder who among them are charged, fined or gone to prison because of their cheating, there is one article among gamblers who beat the casino in a fair manner, but these personalities are something, they honed their skills to cheat the casinos, unfortunately, you cannot get away all the time.

And with time, casinos found out how they did cheat during their winnings.
Remember, these casino people are sharp to identify possible tricks that these gamblers are pulling off.
It is better to earn money without any swindling involved.
Because either it will haunt you or you will get into trouble once uncovered.
Beating a casino is rarely heard of when you apply honest strategies.

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January 06, 2021, 12:23:05 AM
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And with time, casinos found out how they did cheat during their winnings.
Remember, these casino people are sharp to identify possible tricks that these gamblers are pulling off.
It is better to earn money without any swindling involved.
Because either it will haunt you or you will get into trouble once uncovered.
Beating a casino is rarely heard of when you apply honest strategies.



The worse thing that can happen when cheating in a casinos is when you are posted and ban on all casinos, casinos online or offline are interacting with each other so they know names and personalities of gamblers that are cheating, or who had bad records, they take note of that and they are not allowing them to play in their casinos.
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January 06, 2021, 12:41:04 AM
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You can change the title to something like gamblers who managed to beat casinos through cheating, majority or almost all of them won because they are cheating the system, I wonder who among them are charged, fined or gone to prison because of their cheating, there is one article among gamblers who beat the casino in a fair manner, but these personalities are something, they honed their skills to cheat the casinos, unfortunately, you cannot get away all the time.

Ya, I have a bit of a hard time considering them as having beat the casino if they went to jail for it.  That'd be like saying you robbed a bank and got away, but you ended up going to jail.  I think the "got away" tends to include the freedom of paying the consequences for your crime.  The subject line is eye grabbing though.  I clicked it expecting to see some wild claims of amazing gamblers but found the actual content to be a bit more interesting anyway. 

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January 06, 2021, 01:05:52 AM
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These are 6 gamblers who really made money out of casinos. On the other side of the fence are hundreds of millions of other gamblers who are losing in casinos. And up to this day, casinos are still money-making machines. They multiply in number because the business is thriving.

I think it takes a little genius or above-average skill to really beat a casino. Only a handful of gamblers have that. And because of that, casinos are actually facing a little risk of losing instead of winning.

I'm afraid this inspiration might not be working well for you in the end.

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January 06, 2021, 01:10:12 AM
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2. Don Johnson

Is a gambler who managed to break into Atlantic City for 6 million USD in one night. His name is now famous in various casinos, and it is prohibited
to play in all casinos in America.


Upon all of those .seems like This one has the safest way to win as He was not charge of any violation aside from being prohibited in Gambling casino houses ?

Meaning He only manage to win using skills and Luck ?it is not mentioned of What Game he made this 6 million Dollar but it can be Just a Pure Luck right?

Yeah, they mostly beat the casinos but with a cheat. I thought that it's like having a genius strategy that they were able to beat the casino.

I remember a series that there's a device that the character was able to manipulate the results of the slots, I think that was with the Prison Break episode and with the trivia from OP, I didn't thought that it happened in real life.
The one i mentioned has No record of cheating , just got beaten the casino by 6 million in 1 night.
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January 06, 2021, 01:35:44 AM
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Sometimes we are interested in playing gambling because we are inspired by someone. I am inspired by some of the people below,
not because I want to beat the casino or cheat the casino. But purely out of amazement it turns out that the casino can be beaten
by some of the people below.

1. MIT Blackjack Team

Gambling has become very popular in the US, then in 1979 at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) a team of 6 people was formed
to research gambling, and how to win with counting cards. The team was led by JP Massar by gathering students who were really good at gambling,
with the aim of defeating casinos all over America. In 1980 JP Massar met Bill Kaplan and worked together to develop the MIT Blackjack Team
to 35 people. And managed to make a profit of $ 350,000. And at its peak in 1992 Bill Kaplan, JP Massar and John Chang created a company
to train many new gamblers, to beat casinos around the world.


The Team is the most accurate of them all because of having a Formal study and using Math ,without cheating and also  spreading their knowledge to help other gambler at least have a chance to win over Blackjack casino .

But i think it's better to study other games also because casinos are really dominating the system and gamblers comes to be their food for the table all the time.

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January 06, 2021, 01:36:11 AM
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How can you forget the famous poker player Phil Ivey? He won around $8m-$9m according to sources.

Was even in the 60 minutes plus talking about his technique.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41751208

However, he wasn't paid because the casino said he was cheating using the 'edge sorting' and lost the case against Crockfords Club.

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Those all people managed to beat the casino not by luck just by their cheating strategies which can't be considered as actual beating the house because it is actually possible in long run no matter what. Well, these are some interesting stories behind the great minds who used to be smart but get caught at the end. Cheesy

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January 06, 2021, 01:43:47 AM
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If they really beat the casino with their skills, I will give my salute to all of them. But if they beat the casino by cheating them, hm I don't think they are smart enough too beat the casino. They could have something secret to beat the casino so that they will take the money with them. The card games are hard gambling games, and it needs high skills to beat the other players or the casino. The casino itself will found if they cheat them by knowing how much money the gamblers take. Once the casino realizes the money they already lose, they will become suspicious and investigate the gamblers.

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Similar to the MIT gambling team, I remember watching a documentary called 'Holly Rollers' about a group of Christians who formed a team of card counters and made a business out of trying to beat casinos at blackjack. According to Wikipedia, they received $1.2 million in investments and won over $3 million. Eventually, they started getting banned from casinos and they disbanded after six years.

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January 06, 2021, 02:11:33 AM
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That's just how it is, if you don't cheat, you won't really beat those casinos because they are a lot tough than you thought. Anyway, cheating in casinos is not a good idea though, when you caught you face some heavy charges depends on what kind of cheating you did. Some people might not even reach the police station maybe they got their punishment outside the casino. You know what I mean.

Anyway, Those people are rare considering they can create some technologies to counter the machines in the casinos. it's just they get some bad luck when they started to become greed and lose their chance to spend the money which they deserve after losing probably close to those amounts they've got. They've been playing for years and might losing every time for those years they played.

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