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Pearl Harbor was an attack on the United States. It was an attack that Japan hoped would lead to the US falling to the Axis of evil. 9/11 was similarly an act of War against the United States, similar to Pearl Harbor was purported by far left terrorists extremists.
Japan attacked Pearl Harbor to reduce the US navy presence in the Pacific, which they saw as an obstacle to expanding throughout China and Southeast Asia. They intended to take a bunch of countries, but not the United States. The attack was not an act of terrorism, it was a strategic military strike. When you say 'far left', is that just what you're calling everything bad these days in hopes of convincing people that the American Politicians you disagree with are the same? Do a little research on Showa Statism, the right-wing political ideology of Imperial Japan. You're trying way to hard to pwn the libs. The Biden administration can only be described as extremist and radical.
I think Biden is doing an extremely good job. You'd have to be pretty far to the right for the Biden administration to appear radical from your perspective. Or I suppose you could simply be consuming too much right wing media.
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Sir, I think the major cause of WW2 was Economic Depression in the late 1920s neither it was attack on Democracy or Major World Powers and 9/11 was also reaction of unjust policies of Western world in Middle East. Bin Laden was one of richest families in Saudi Arabia and he was creation of CIA during Afghan war but he turned against western powers when he realised that CIA used them to defeat Soviet Union and they didn't get anything out this Bloody war and unfortunately the world is again entering into Cold war era between USA and China which is not good for common people of the world, This cold war will not help to solve major issues of world those are Poverty, illiteracy and Environment rather Huge budget allocations will go towards Arms race..
You lost me with the first part but I absolutely agree with your assessment of 9/11. I'm not a fan of the U.S. government bending the will of small countries for the benefit of our military-industrial complex and corporatocracy. Doesn't mean 9/11 wasn't an attack on America, or that it was a righteous thing to do. Pearl Harbor was an attack on the United States. It was an attack that Japan hoped would lead to the US falling to the Axis of evil. 9/11 was similarly an act of War against the United States, similar to Pearl Harbor was purported by far left terrorists extremists.
The Biden administration can only be described as extremist and radical.
Japan never thought the U.S. would fall, they were hoping to knock out the U.S. Navy in its entirety in one fell swoop. That way they couldn't enforce their recent embargo against Japan. And "far left terrorists"... get a grip man. When you say stuff like that, I can't help but think you have absolutely no respect for history, or reality for that matter. I think the biggest threat to Democracy is accumulation of wealth in few hands, growing number of jobless people and lack of justice in society.
Well said. I bet Quickseller wants his merits back tho, lol. Sir, I love American people who are very dynamic and innovative, its constitution which is perhaps one of the bests, it protects basic rights of every human and is against any kind of discrimination. USA has contributed a lot for Industrial development, improve health care and created innovative technologies to improve quality of life worldwide and created Huge job opportunities but at the same time they run a Foreign policy which is very aggressive and totally based on their economic interests. They don't mind to make huge killings of innocent people to protect it. Though America didn't use nuclear bomb after WW2 to win war in Vietnam, Syria and Afghanistan but US fire power turned these countries into big grave yards. Please forgive me if you don't agree with my thoughts.
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Pearl Harbor was an attack on the United States. It was an attack that Japan hoped would lead to the US falling to the Axis of evil. 9/11 was similarly an act of War against the United States, similar to Pearl Harbor was purported by far left terrorists extremists.
The Biden administration can only be described as extremist and radical.
Japan never thought the U.S. would fall, they were hoping to knock out the U.S. Navy in its entirety in one fell swoop. That way they couldn't enforce their recent embargo against Japan. Japans short terms goals may have been to stop the embargo, however once the war was won in China and Russia, Japan would have moved onto Hawaii and the mainland US. Drop the assumptions, because your topic is in history. You must not mention their "future motives" if it is based on your own opinion and assumptions. If you tackle history like this, you must reference everything, and not account the "Ifs". Also, I would accept this if you say "I think" or "I assumed" but you state it as if you were there and know what they planned to do.
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https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1387516729828548618/photo/1I don't know if I consider a bunch of overweight Trump supporters that couldn't spell "democracy" even if they tried to be the biggest attack on the world's largest democracy since the civil war. WW2 wasn't an attack on democracy? The Cold War? 9/11? I guess I rank these things just a tad bit higher than the capital riots. WW2 wasn't an attack on our democracy, it was an attack on democratic powers of the world, more or less. The Cold War wasn't really an "attack." 9/11 certainly is up there on my list. True. But I see WW2 as an indirect attack on American democracy, and perhaps the biggest threat to democracy at the time. Maybe some related WW2 events, Pearl Harbor is a better example as a direct attack. But Hitler's reign would have forced the Americans to join in the war at some point or another. Sir, I think the major cause of WW2 was Economic Depression in the late 1920s neither it was attack on Democracy or Major World Powers and 9/11 was also reaction of unjust policies of Western world in Middle East. Bin Laden was one of richest families in Saudi Arabia and he was creation of CIA during Afghan war but he turned against western powers when he realised that CIA used them to defeat Soviet Union and they didn't get anything out this Bloody war and unfortunately the world is again entering into Cold war era between USA and China which is not good for common people of the world, This cold war will not help to solve major issues of world those are Poverty, illiteracy and Environment rather Huge budget allocations will go towards Arms race..
9/11 was a direct attack on democracy no matter the middle eastern policy at the time. Sir, Do you think Democracy is so fragile that it will break up with attack of few extremists. I think the biggest threat to Democracy is accumulation of wealth in few hands, growing number of jobless people and lack of justice in society. See, I apply this logic in the same way when I consider a bunch of Trump supporters armed with selfie sticks and MAGA hats. Did the capital riots really pose any threat to democracy? Was the US actually at risk? Was there a real national security threat? At the time, it could have felt like that. In hindsight, all it took was some man power and tear gas and they went home crying.
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See, I apply this logic in the same way when I consider a bunch of Trump supporters armed with selfie sticks and MAGA hats. Did the capital riots really pose any threat to democracy?
It's ridiculous the way you try to downplay what happened.
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See, I apply this logic in the same way when I consider a bunch of Trump supporters armed with selfie sticks and MAGA hats. Did the capital riots really pose any threat to democracy?
It's ridiculous the way you try to downplay what happened. And it's also ridiculous the way you downplay BLM riots that resulted in dozens of deaths, billions of dollars worth of damages, and pull the "fiery but mostly peaceful" nonsense that CNN touts. By any metric, BLM riots were worse, but that's excused because it was for Saint George Floyd. Rioting is BAD no matter if you're rioting for a fentanyl junkie dying in police custody, or if you're trying to storm the US capitol based on false notions of election fraud. Presidential hits, world wars, terrorist attacks, and the capitol riots were not worst attack on democracy and the capital riots were? Funny. If Joe Biden says stupid things, don't cover for him.
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See, I apply this logic in the same way when I consider a bunch of Trump supporters armed with selfie sticks and MAGA hats. Did the capital riots really pose any threat to democracy?
It's ridiculous the way you try to downplay what happened. And it's also ridiculous the way you downplay BLM riots that resulted in dozens of deaths, billions of dollars worth of damages, and pull the "fiery but mostly peaceful" nonsense that CNN touts. By any metric, BLM riots were worse, but that's excused because it was for Saint George Floyd. Rioting is BAD no matter if you're rioting for a fentanyl junkie dying in police custody, or if you're trying to storm the US capitol based on false notions of election fraud. Presidential hits, world wars, terrorist attacks, and the capitol riots were not worst attack on democracy and the capital riots were? Funny. If Joe Biden says stupid things, don't cover for him. There's a difference between downplaying violence related to BLM protests and calling out people who use the violence to push their (racist) "it's their own fault/there is no racism/blm = violence, thugs, crime" agenda.
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Those who avoid Gates' vaccine are the 'fittest' insofar as they are either of the predator caste, or are in some manner omnivorous (e.g., me). The prey caste are the ones who will line up to get the vax almost by the definitions I use in this framing. There is simply not a big use for them after the 'great reset'...so now it is time for them to go.
When is the "great reset" happening? I need to stock up on canned beans and other very manly things. In 2023 covid-23 will come killing off 80 % of the anti vaxers. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Note this why I am vaxing. To me the game of vax or not to vax is simply a choice of which Russian roulette do I play. Either one can kill me so which is the least likely one to kill me. If the government is fully good and honest. vax is best. if the government is evil is the real question. if they want to whack millions of people how do they go about it. better yet if they want to whack millions of people what kind of people do they want to whack? My guess for rich evil sane people whacking all the sheeple is stupid as fuck. since the vaxers are sheeple they will not whack the vaxers. thus the anti vaxers will die in the millions if an evil plot is afoot. So to all the anti vaxer freedom fighters I sincerely hope the government is fairly honest for your sake. BTW this may 4th I get my second shot of pfizer my wife gets her, second shot of pfizer so that will be four shots in total for us. So May the 4th be with you will come true for us. To all anti vaxers good luck 🍀 To all pro vaxers good luck 🍀 what ever gun you pick up to play russian roulette with covid good luck. to vax or not to vax that is the question. I gave my answer.
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I gave my answer.
Here's the thing about anti-vax conspiracies... governments are barely competent to print money and waste it on useless wars so it's simply impossible that multiple countries (and in the case of the US - two different administrations, under Trump and under Biden) are orchestrating a massive conspiracy involving doctors, scientists, etc, and the only people who can see through it are some schmucks on Youtube.
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I gave my answer.
Here's the thing about anti-vax conspiracies... governments are barely competent to print money and waste it on useless wars so it's simply impossible that multiple countries (and in the case of the US - two different administrations, under Trump and under Biden) are orchestrating a massive conspiracy involving doctors, scientists, etc, and the only people who can see through it are some schmucks on Youtube. Yeah I figure the most likely case is the vax is helpful rather than harmful. The next likely case is it is a push. The next likely case is it is a little worse. The very unlikely case is they want to whack the freedom fighting anti vaxers The most unlikely case is the want to whack the sheeple vaxers. Having caught it and suffering from it for a long time I would want to avoid variants. My wife almost died from it. She spent two hospital stays. And now 15 months after first getting she is finally having success in her lungs healing from its damage. so getting a variant is not on my to do list. Its sad that so many people are anti vax but as long as they do not want to lie and hide about it I am fine with them choosing the more risky choice.
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Yeah I figure the most likely case is the vax is helpful rather than harmful. The next likely case is it is a push. The next likely case is it is a little worse.
The very unlikely case is they want to whack the freedom fighting anti vaxers
The most unlikely case is the want to whack the sheeple vaxers.
That's a remarkable demonstration of analysis by the standards of the day. Really, kudos! I'm not even being especially facetious . Drawing up a list of possibilities and rating them is something almost never see any more. For my part I don't see your last two as being very different. I think they(*) want to end up (in a generation or two) with a manageable number of plebs. The number is not a set thing. It depends on the characteristics of those who remain, and yes, the fewer independent personality types the better. People who view you as their saviors are easier to manage. * 'they', in a corp/gov system with regulatory capture would be those who control the supply of money and there would be VERY few of them. Even in a corporation such as Pfizer or IG Farben only a tiny number would actually need to be fully aware of a nefarious goal in order to achieve it. As a matter of fact, thing basically would NOT work if it were the other way around. Having caught it and suffering from it for a long time I would want to avoid variants. My wife almost died from it. She spent two hospital stays. And now 15 months after first getting she is finally having success in her lungs healing from its damage.
so getting a variant is not on my to do list.
Its sad that so many people are anti vax but as long as they do not want to lie and hide about it I am fine with them choosing the more risky choice.
I don't doubt that you believe that you and your wife had 'covid' because that is what you were told my the medical system, but that's not the same thing as having it, nor does it make much sense to get vaxed in order to ensure ongoing protection even taking the 'established' understandings' of immune function and 'vaccine' characteristics at face value. Oh well. In the country I am currently in, I do know that a lot of pretty strong stuff is being sprayed in various public places such as malls. The assumption is that it is 'for our own good', but I find that questionable. I also know of people who were surprised to have come up hot on a covid test since they felt fine, then get sick as hell hours after being forced into quarantine facilities. I can think of no reason why 'they' would want someone like me around. For my part I think there is a very real possibility that in order to achieve a desired 'sheep ratio' in the end, the current 'vaccine' will actually contributed to having the potential to remain among the living. Everything about this operation leads me to believe that it will occur in 'phases' and we are early on in the game. To me, this gene therapy is a one-shot thing with no turning back. That is one reason why I will avoid it to the death ('life' in the 'world to come' being not worth living anyway.) Once the entire game comes into focus I'll re-evaluate. Hopefully good people will figure out alternate solutions and we won't have the abyss as the only option. Lots of good people are working their asses off to figure out options right now, but it's a complex problem.
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I gave my answer.
Here's the thing about anti-vax conspiracies... governments are barely competent to print money and waste it on useless wars so it's simply impossible that multiple countries (and in the case of the US - two different administrations, under Trump and under Biden) are orchestrating a massive conspiracy involving doctors, scientists, etc, and the only people who can see through it are some schmucks on Youtube. Yeah I figure the most likely case is the vax is helpful rather than harmful. The next likely case is it is a push. The next likely case is it is a little worse. The very unlikely case is they want to whack the freedom fighting anti vaxers The most unlikely case is the want to whack the sheeple vaxers. Having caught it and suffering from it for a long time I would want to avoid variants. My wife almost died from it. She spent two hospital stays. And now 15 months after first getting she is finally having success in her lungs healing from its damage. so getting a variant is not on my to do list. Its sad that so many people are anti vax but as long as they do not want to lie and hide about it I am fine with them choosing the more risky choice. May I interject something, anti-vax believes that the virus is not real in the first place, that's why they see the vaccine as poison or whatever. They treat the covid as simple pneumonia, flue or any kind of diseases they can relate to the symptom that exists because of covid. Having this mindset, they won't believe in your story of having your wife being treated for covid as they don't believe in it in the first place. So theres one more obstacles in the statements above. Anti-vax, pro-vax, and the non-believers
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See, I apply this logic in the same way when I consider a bunch of Trump supporters armed with selfie sticks and MAGA hats. Did the capital riots really pose any threat to democracy? Was the US actually at risk? Was there a real national security threat? At the time, it could have felt like that. In hindsight, all it took was some man power and tear gas and they went home crying.
The Jan 6 riot at the Capital posed no threat to anyone. The Capital is normally open to the public, but it has been closed. If the Capital had been open, the rioters would have entered via the normal channels and made their voices be heard. Instead, two or three people breached the entrance into the Capital, and the rest of those who entered the capital were waived in by the police. There was a relatively minimal amount of damage done, and the majority of those in the capital were showing disrespect for those in power by doing things like sitting at Pelosi's desk or standing at the podium.
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May I interject something, anti-vax believes that the virus is not real in the first place, that's why they see the vaccine as poison or whatever. ...
You would do better analysis if you didn't fall into the trap of letting a third party tell you what a 2nd party thinks. I, for instance, believe that there almost certainly is/was 'a virus'. I suspect it was either the natural coronavirus that was, by chance, going around, or that it was a variant which had some 'gain of function' capabilities engineered. Very possibly it was a combination of both. Anyway, it is abundantly clear that a lot of set-up was done to get some stuff accomplished by way of a 'plandemic'. Certainly it included 'real life trials' of some pharmaceutical 'platforms' which have been under development for a while by way of a panicked vaccination program. Vaccine passports and vastly increased 'medical' surveillance as well. This implies for-knowledge and 'conspiracy'. That still doesn't mean that a virus was deliberately released. The common cold goes around regularly and it is possible that the table was set and the games started when the guest of honor arrived.
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May I interject something, anti-vax believes that the virus is not real in the first place, that's why they see the vaccine as poison or whatever. ...
You would do better analysis if you didn't fall into the trap of letting a third party tell you what a 2nd party thinks. That would rule out pretty much anything based on research, most books, articles etc.
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May I interject something, anti-vax believes that the virus is not real in the first place, that's why they see the vaccine as poison or whatever. ...
You would do better analysis if you didn't fall into the trap of letting a third party tell you what a 2nd party thinks. That would rule out pretty much anything based on research, most books, articles etc. You got it (finally)! That's why States are doing recounts, in front of cameras, by hand, with witnesses to everything being done. That's why Dems and the President and Vice are quaking in their boots - not so much the President; he's too far out of it to be mentally disturbed by any danger. It's also why many in government are trying as hard as they can to stop the recounts, but at least down-play the whole recount process when they know that they can't stop it. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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May I interject something, anti-vax believes that the virus is not real in the first place, that's why they see the vaccine as poison or whatever. ...
You would do better analysis if you didn't fall into the trap of letting a third party tell you what a 2nd party thinks. That would rule out pretty much anything based on research, most books, articles etc. There are plenty of errors in a lot of research, books, articles, etc. Some of it prima-facie as is the case here, and leading to a bunch of assertions built on top of an obviously incorrect assumption. Ergo, a waste of the author's time and everyone elses'.
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May I interject something, anti-vax believes that the virus is not real in the first place, that's why they see the vaccine as poison or whatever. ...
You would do better analysis if you didn't fall into the trap of letting a third party tell you what a 2nd party thinks. That would rule out pretty much anything based on research, most books, articles etc. There are plenty of errors in a lot of research, books, articles, etc. Some of it prima-facie as is the case here, and leading to a bunch of assertions built on top of an obviously incorrect assumption. Ergo, a waste of the author's time and everyone elses'. In India right now, people are dying on the streets because their government wasn't able to get a vaccine program rolled out on the national level. We know what covid looks like when it's out of control and no vaccine, in fact, every first world country has documented the consequences very well. If the research is wrong, so be it. Something has to be killing all these people. What else would it be?
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I think Mr. Joe Biden is a famous politician. He has the quality of a leader. The world economy will flourish for many years to come under his management. I hope Mr. Joe Biden will help orphans around the world.
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