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March 21, 2021, 06:43:13 AM
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Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

What is the truth in this regard, because users like me are always go lack of control even when luck is on our side. End of the day used to pacify thyself terming it as our fate and move on. Hope you guys don't do this mistake. Cry Cry

In Russia and Ukraine there is a proverb - "Unlucky in gambling, lucky in love!" 

If your game is entirely based on luck, then you must become a fatalist.  This means that self-control doesn't really matter to you.  The fatalist knows that everything is predetermined and nothing depends on him. 

There is another concept.  I am only interested in what I can control. 

What I cannot control does not interest me.  I focus on what I can change in my life.  If you follow this concept, then purely luck gambling is not my area of ​​interest. 

René Descartes was a soldier, philosopher and mathematician.  In his spare time, he enjoyed playing dice with his colleagues.  However, he was not a fatalist.  He began to study the probability of various combinations in the dice game. 

He did this in order to increase the likelihood of his winning.  In my opinion, this is a reasonable approach. 

René Descartes created the mathematical theory of probability.

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March 21, 2021, 08:23:58 AM
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You can't beat the house edge, your chances are slim the house edge always win and it's a fact and you are going to lose if you have no control and thinks that you have a chance to beat the house, that will be your fate, but if you know how and when to stop at the right time you can take home your winnings, gamblers are tempted to continue playing, thinking that luck is on their side, if you are playing for fun, that's no problem but if you are betting what you can't afford to lose, then you have a problem.

I don't think every gambler is losing money. Sure there is a house edge in place and if you look at all the gamblers together the majority is probably losing money, but there are some people who bear the casino and make money. This is what I would call being lucky. Mistaking that luck for faith is a very dangerous thing in my opinion. Just because you won a few times in a row doesn't mean you are going to win more. The same goes for losing, if you are on a losing streak it doesnt mean that you are going to lose forever. It is on us to make these lucky moments worth while and cover any potential losses.
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March 21, 2021, 08:58:08 AM
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Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

What is the truth in this regard, because users like me are always go lack of control even when luck is on our side. End of the day used to pacify thyself terming it as our fate and move on. Hope you guys don't do this mistake. Cry Cry
Controlling emotions while playing may be able to minimize losses in gambling, although some people play using strategies to win the game, in my opinion the most appropriate strategy when gambling is to have a strong sense of self-confidence, and luck can of course be felt by anyone when gambling.

Strong but controlled confidence, if you can play with this attitude then the chance of winning is really
high, though luck always making things differently.

With luck behind you, the impossible always be possible. The important thing to realize is to how you
able to maximize luck without greed that leads you to lose back.

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March 21, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
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For those who believe in fate, it will be very easy for them to accept loss and move on. If someone from the family dies, the person believing in fate would interpret that as "it is the person's time to die" thing and will be easier for that person to accept and move on with life. It might be different from the person who believes that it is his fault that he lose or it is the persons doing, then it would be difficult for that person to accept the outcome and might affect that person in the long run. I think it all boils down to the mindset of the person. If they think that they there is a chance to lose and accept that possibility, specially in gambling, then it will be much easier for that person to accept loss.

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March 21, 2021, 11:43:11 AM
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Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

I got to agree with those that believe lack of control is the issue with losing big in gambling, of course you have to consider luck as one of the main factors but I think when you lose too much it has more to do with your strategy and whether you just keep gambling without plan to just get a win or you have some control over how much you play and know when to stop.

Looking back most of my losses from gambling also was because I would not just stop at some point and say that's enough and just kept placing bets whenever I felt like it, so if you learn to be able to control yourself better while gambling you most probably would get a better result.
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March 21, 2021, 12:08:28 PM
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For those who believe in fate, it will be very easy for them to accept loss and move on.

True but IMO that is not good because we cannot learn from our mistakes that way, if we lose and accept that as our fate, there's no chance we will improve anymore, if we gamble and we are out of control, we will also not gonna correct our mistakes as we will just say it's just our fate.

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March 21, 2021, 12:26:13 PM
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You can't beat the house edge, your chances are slim the house edge always win and it's a fact and you are going to lose if you have no control and thinks that you have a chance to beat the house, that will be your fate, but if you know how and when to stop at the right time you can take home your winnings, gamblers are tempted to continue playing, thinking that luck is on their side, if you are playing for fun, that's no problem but if you are betting what you can't afford to lose, then you have a problem.

I don't think every gambler is losing money. Sure there is a house edge in place and if you look at all the gamblers together the majority is probably losing money, but there are some people who bear the casino and make money. This is what I would call being lucky. Mistaking that luck for faith is a very dangerous thing in my opinion. Just because you won a few times in a row doesn't mean you are going to win more. The same goes for losing, if you are on a losing streak it doesnt mean that you are going to lose forever. It is on us to make these lucky moments worth while and cover any potential losses.

I disagree with your last lines because however we won't win forever if we win a few times, it's a guaranteed thing that we will continue to be on a statistical loss streak if we continue to play forever because of the house-edge. It's all fun and the adrenaline rush till it's not, eventually as one continues to lose, their potential to lose more and more rises very quick as they will bet more with higher value to cover up previous losses.
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March 21, 2021, 02:46:22 PM
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Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

What is the truth in this regard, because users like me are always go lack of control even when luck is on our side. End of the day used to pacify thyself terming it as our fate and move on. Hope you guys don't do this mistake. Cry Cry
Maybe it's just their excuse because it's your choice to gamble in the first place so expect that losing might occur in this situation. Losing doesn't mean that you're losing irl, you can learn from it and use it to develop yourself in gambling. Also, controlling your emotions really means a lot in gambling that's why people are trying to get rid of it to think properly and not to be greedy. If it's your fate to win because of your action, then you'll win and if it's your fate to lose then it's you'll lose but it will always depend on your actions.
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March 21, 2021, 03:18:06 PM
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I can’t say it’s pure fate but I think it’s more of strategies and skills because if you know the strategy of the game then you’ll definitely win most of the time.


If you have established a working system and you see the advantages then surely you'll win most of the time, but most of the time it's being responsible that leads you walk out with decent amount of winning, knowing when to stop is really matter whenver you are inside gambling.

I couldn’t agree with you more, like I’ve said it’s more of a strategic kind of game. If you know the system of the game yes you could win most of the time. But whenever you have streaks of wins, it’s like you wanted to play more. I don’t know if it’s just me but I have the tendency to want more, but it’s not about the wins I gain from it but more of like an urge to even play more.

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The lack of control though is within you, either you get greedy and play more to get more wins or you stop at a certain amount of wins and just be contented.

Setting it up and be cnotented is a powerful tool while you are engage to this activities, instead of being greedy accepting small winnings is  good enough as chances of losing it back together with your bankroll is very high.

True, that’s why I have been trying to control myself and letting myself go and be contented on small winnings and not want to get back at the game again to win more because I feel like I’ve become greedy when I do that.
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March 21, 2021, 03:29:52 PM
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Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

What is the truth in this regard, because users like me are always go lack of control even when luck is on our side. End of the day used to pacify thyself terming it as our fate and move on. Hope you guys don't do this mistake. Cry Cry
Maybe it's just their excuse because it's your choice to gamble in the first place so expect that losing might occur in this situation. Losing doesn't mean that you're losing irl, you can learn from it and use it to develop yourself in gambling. Also, controlling your emotions really means a lot in gambling that's why people are trying to get rid of it to think properly and not to be greedy. If it's your fate to win because of your action, then you'll win and if it's your fate to lose then it's you'll lose but it will always depend on your actions.

Win or lose is not solely depends in your action IMHO. Let's say we are talking about DICE game here, Every roll is  just a chance to win or lose so you can't do anything to change the result. If you lose that roll then you lose it and vice versa.

Playing gambling for a long period of time will surely give user a sure loss due to human error. But as I said above, each round result is purely chance.

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March 21, 2021, 08:45:48 PM
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Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

What is the truth in this regard, because users like me are always go lack of control even when luck is on our side. End of the day used to pacify thyself terming it as our fate and move on. Hope you guys don't do this mistake. Cry Cry
Maybe it's just their excuse because it's your choice to gamble in the first place so expect that losing might occur in this situation. Losing doesn't mean that you're losing irl, you can learn from it and use it to develop yourself in gambling. Also, controlling your emotions really means a lot in gambling that's why people are trying to get rid of it to think properly and not to be greedy. If it's your fate to win because of your action, then you'll win and if it's your fate to lose then it's you'll lose but it will always depend on your actions.

Win or lose is not solely depends in your action IMHO. Let's say we are talking about DICE game here, Every roll is  just a chance to win or lose so you can't do anything to change the result. If you lose that roll then you lose it and vice versa.

Playing gambling for a long period of time will surely give user a sure loss due to human error. But as I said above, each round result is purely chance.
In simple terms every roll is a chance of win/lose. Here the result is fate, because we play on a random pick where no one knows the outcome. If an user keeps winning out of the random roll, and further if he isn't able to keep up the winning through a stop at the right time is lack of control.

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March 21, 2021, 10:20:52 PM
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Playing gambling for a long period of time will surely give user a sure loss due to human error. But as I said above, each round result is purely chance.

I looked at the opposite outcome, we are suppose to improve if we play longer, otherwise we are just wasting time and money. I'm referring to particular type of games where you can use your skills, but for luck based games, then you'll surely lose in the long run, not because of an error but because of the house edge, that's very simple to understand.

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Once you do lost up your control into yourself then its game over.Dont blame about fate but rather on your own self control because if you do know
that you are in profits then its just ideal that you should secure those things and stop midway so that you do able to cherish it out but most likely
people do really end up on using it all over and asking for more.

This is a common behavior of gamblers which it do really end up on losing it all in the end and do make out some regrets later.
This is pretty much the truth on everything and not only in gambling, I am sure there are many things we want to do but we do not whether because they are bad for us or the consequences for doing them are to high for us to pay, I would like to gamble more than I do but when I think of all the money I would lose then I prefer to still gamble only a little bit, once you lose that and you decide to gamble as much as you want regardless of the consequences that is when you have lost, not against the casino but against yourself.
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Strong but controlled confidence, if you can play with this attitude then the chance of winning is really
high, though luck always making things differently.

With luck behind you, the impossible always be possible. The important thing to realize is to how you
able to maximize luck without greed that leads you to lose back.
Obviously luck plays a huge role, nobody can deny that luck is a big role to play in this, everybody knows this. However if you lose control, that means you are definitely going to lose and not going to make it back neither considering the house edge, so you are in big loss that can't be covered that easily.

People are forgetting that the reason casinos was created was not to make money, sure there is a chance that you could make money but the reality is that we could actually have fun there and that is the main point of casinos, you go to a casino (or log in online) and have fun for few hours and get out, that is what it is all about. Think about it like going to cinema, that's how I see it, you spend money and you have fun and you get out without expecting money, this is about the same and you decide on how much money that fun worths and spend that much.

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Some used to pacify themselves with the term it is their fate to loss in gambling. Some say it is the lack of control that makes them loss big. Here I'm taking this into discussion relative to the game - Dice.

Same as this some used to mention winning as fate and some term the same as luck. I believe win out of dice is trick, and right exit strategy.

What is the truth in this regard, because users like me are always go lack of control even when luck is on our side. End of the day used to pacify thyself terming it as our fate and move on. Hope you guys don't do this mistake. Cry Cry

It is more of a combination of both in my opinion because without luck we can't win and without a proper strategy we can't keep the profits on our side.
If we have luck but don't have the proper strategy to quit while we are winning then all that we win will be lost in the subsequent bets.
If we have a good strategy but if the luck is not on our side then not matter how hard we try we will just keep losing.
In order to reap out the profits, we need luck as well as a strategy to take out the profits and utilize them back when needed.

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Playing gambling for a long period of time will surely give user a sure loss due to human error. But as I said above, each round result is purely chance.

I looked at the opposite outcome, we are suppose to improve if we play longer, otherwise we are just wasting time and money. I'm referring to particular type of games where you can use your skills, but for luck based games, then you'll surely lose in the long run, not because of an error but because of the house edge, that's very simple to understand.

If you decide to play longer, you will have difficulty controlling yourself as you might see many intension in every round. If you win for some rounds, maybe that will feel excited, but suddenly, you lose for some rounds too, and that can make you have a high intension and of course, curiosity will become bigger.

In this matter, you can get lose control of yourself, and you can not survive in the gambling game. Once you get that, the only way to do it is to stop gambling, no matter if you are win or lose.

That's discipline should be their so instead of losing your control, you'll be more stronger and you'll be able to improve in the long run. Just like getting into business, there are trials at the early stage of your venture but if you learn while you continue, eventually you'll improve.

Maybe treat gambling as a business so you can act professionally.

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Playing gambling for a long period of time will surely give user a sure loss due to human error. But as I said above, each round result is purely chance.

I looked at the opposite outcome, we are suppose to improve if we play longer, otherwise we are just wasting time and money. I'm referring to particular type of games where you can use your skills, but for luck based games, then you'll surely lose in the long run, not because of an error but because of the house edge, that's very simple to understand.
True to that. As we gamble longer, we will gain experience including those bad days and best days. And while having those, we have to make sure that for every lose that we make, we're going to learn something new thus you don't really care and it's just only about losing. Having a lesson as you lose makes you still win because you formulate yourself a strategy whether it be in game or your approach to the game that you're enjoying to play with.

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True to that. As we gamble longer, we will gain experience including those bad days and best days. And while having those, we have to make sure that for every lose that we make, we're going to learn something new thus you don't really care and it's just only about losing. Having a lesson as you lose makes you still win because you formulate yourself a strategy whether it be in game or your approach to the game that you're enjoying to play with.
Sometimes the longer we play the addiction sinks it that we still needs to head's up ourselves to fully control ourselves and have discipline. I don't believe that gambling requires skills unless it's a sport or some of card games since mostly it will depend on how lucky we are in that time since cards, teams were out of our control. Those who survive playing long without signs of addiction already surpass the stage of being out of control into being full control in their activities.
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The more we gamble the more experience we gain and the chances of hitting big multipliers increase at the same time. Faith or not, what matters is being lucky player in casino, otherwise, no matter how we improve money management and strategies. Addiction forces us to gamble more, I personally prefer to hit big once and quit gambling.


True to that. As we gamble longer, we will gain experience including those bad days and best days. And while having those, we have to make sure that for every lose that we make, we're going to learn something new thus you don't really care and it's just only about losing. Having a lesson as you lose makes you still win because you formulate yourself a strategy whether it be in game or your approach to the game that you're enjoying to play with.
Sometimes the longer we play the addiction sinks it that we still needs to head's up ourselves to fully control ourselves and have discipline. I don't believe that gambling requires skills unless it's a sport or some of card games since mostly it will depend on how lucky we are in that time since cards, teams were out of our control. Those who survive playing long without signs of addiction already surpass the stage of being out of control into being full control in their activities.
That is the point why many gambling chats are mess and full of busted gamblers, they keep asking funds because it is easier to gamble the funds you didn't deposit rather than depositing your own money. Addiction is not going to be a problem unless we lose control, but I don't think any form of addiction will have a good effect in our lives.

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True to that. As we gamble longer, we will gain experience including those bad days and best days. And while having those, we have to make sure that for every lose that we make, we're going to learn something new thus you don't really care and it's just only about losing. Having a lesson as you lose makes you still win because you formulate yourself a strategy whether it be in game or your approach to the game that you're enjoying to play with.
Sometimes the longer we play the addiction sinks it that we still needs to head's up ourselves to fully control ourselves and have discipline. I don't believe that gambling requires skills unless it's a sport or some of card games since mostly it will depend on how lucky we are in that time since cards, teams were out of our control. Those who survive playing long without signs of addiction already surpass the stage of being out of control into being full control in their activities.
It does requires it for specific games and it's all up to you how you shall define that kind of skill that you want to have. Luck is always a given thing in gambling, whether you're in the luck dependent games or skilled dependent games. We are always wishing to be lucky with our bets and it's not that fate that will give you the win but the choice that you do and if you believe that you are being accompanied by luck, you shall win. And those long time gamblers, they know how to manage and handle things already on their own.

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